LANCE ARMSTRONG INTERVIEW With Oprah

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Lance just admitted he was taking performance enhancing drugs. Yet he says he did not feel bad about it and did not feel as though he was cheating.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013...view-live-blog

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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisMoon
    A difficult question since the whole bike racing scene was based on performance enhancing drugs. I can understand he didn't think of it as cheating when it was openly accepted among riders.
    I'm not condoning his actions I think it was unethical and immoral to deceive and lie.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      He knew perfectly well he was cheating that is why he went to great lengths to hide it. The fact that many others in The Tour de Pharmacy were also cheating doesn't change that.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    If I used Armstrong's "defense" as a kid, I would have gotten whipped twice. First, for doing the deed. Then for trying to use the excuse "they did it too" and would gotten the old stand-bye, "If all your friends jumped off a cliff..."
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  • Profile picture of the author CoachManny
    I'm sure Barry Bonds didn't feel bad either...he wanted to level the playing field. Just like Lance did. If he didn't he would have never won a Tour. Sad but true...it's the world we live in.

    Man has been cheating the system since the beginning of time. Adam and Eve were the first to defy God and its never changed. The media is an avenue to spread the word more and keep everything highlighted.

    Can't blame the guy...I don't condone it...and to be honest...I was very upset when it first came to true light when he was stripped of his titles. Nothing was more upsetting then hearing Alex Rodriguez did steroids but again...it's the world we live in. The corruption starts at the top and trickles down. The system needs to be fixed but no one has a true solution.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Corruption may start at the top - but it's a choice whether to participate in it or not.

      Armstrong did his best to cover up what he was doing for years - that's not because he thought it wasn't wrong. What I dislike about him is that he hurt and attacked competitors who tried to out him...and got by with it. The rumors have been around for years and he has lied repeatedly and attacked or sued anyone who accused him of doping.

      You make your choices - if you get caught, you pay the piper.

      The good Armstrong did with his charity goes a way to balancing the books in my view - but there are no excuses. He did what he wanted to do to win - that's all it was about.

      What I wonder is how many cyclists did not win because Armstrong was doping?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Corruption may start at the top - but it's a choice whether to participate in it or not.

        Armstrong did his best to cover up what he was doing for years - that's not because he thought it wasn't wrong. What I dislike about him is that he hurt and attacked competitors who tried to out him...and got by with it. The rumors have been around for years and he has lied repeatedly and attacked or sued anyone who accused him of doping.

        You make your choices - if you get caught, you pay the piper.

        The good Armstrong did with his charity goes a way to balancing the books in my view - but there are no excuses. He did what he wanted to do to win - that's all it was about.

        What I wonder is how many cyclists did not win because Armstrong was doping?
        There's a race Armstrong won that they took away from him and they had to give it to something like the 22nd place finisher, who was the first racer they felt was clean. I'm not sure how they came up with that, but it shows just how dirty the sport is.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          There's a race Armstrong won that they took away from him and they had to give it to something like the 22nd place finisher, who was the first racer they felt was clean. I'm not sure how they came up with that, but it shows just how dirty the sport is.
          I think I heard someplace that they keep samples for a long period in case such things come up, so they can use the newer tests.

          They are always coming up with new ways to cheat, and new ways to defeat that. And look at creatine! For a while, they were calling THAT a steroid. What if they made something like THAT illegal. For those that don't know creatine just enhances your ability to make more ATP so your muscles will be a bit stronger and can be used a bit longer.

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      • Profile picture of the author CoachManny
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        What I wonder is how many cyclists did not win because Armstrong was doping?
        Tour De France?

        My guess is 6 or 7 ONLY if it was a clean sport and no one cheated.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    No two wrongs don't make a right and he knew that he was wrong. If the person who can second to him was riding drug free - how must each one of them feel now.
    There are going to be long protracted court cases now wanting all the money back that he has been paid over the years both as prizes and sponsorship fees.
    He admitted taking drugs in the mid nineties when he found out he had cancer then he turned around and denied it.
    Wonder how his charity feels now?
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    From cancer to Tour de France winner... I'll take some of that please.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    But did armstrong influence or obstruct others in any way? There is really NO way to make this right. Say armstrong peddled out WAY in front of everyone, and a guy REALLY wanted to WIN!!!!!!! He may have peddled his hardest and tired out, and ended up FOURTH. IF then, armstrong weren't there, maybe the top 6 guys are clustered there and the 6th guy didn't feel he had to peddle so hard, and waited and gunned it at the end and WON!!!!!! So NOW, that 6th guy is 4th instead of being the WINNER! Such things can and DO happen!

    Armstrong could have hit a guy that would have won, and delayed him such that he came in LAST.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The most honest thing Armstrong said, in my opinion (and I didn't watch the whole interview) was when Oprah asked if he understood how serious the problem is that he created. She said "people wonder if you "get it".

      He answered: "I get that I should get it." Then went on to explain "it's a process". Whatever, dude.

      I think he's going to regret giving that interview - big time.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The most honest thing Armstrong said, in my opinion (and I didn't watch the whole interview) was when Oprah asked if he understood how serious the problem is that he created. She said "people wonder if you "get it".

        He answered: "I get that I should get it." Then went on to explain "it's a process". Whatever, dude.

        I think he's going to regret giving that interview - big time.
        I don't think ANYONE really gets it. What of all the opportunities others lost because of HIM? It is bad enough to lose because someone did better than you in a given race, but to then find that they CHEATED? I've had similar things happen to ME, and I HATED it! And SOMETIMES they got caught! But unless they get caught EARLY, the damage is DONE!

        It is like in the 1990s when they raised the rates in the US. They eventually realized the mistake, and lowered the rates, but it was TOO LATE! The economy was headed in a spiral and they just kept making things WORSE!

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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Personally, I think Armstrong opened the Pandora's box for civil litigation among other lawsuits.

    It will be interesting to see the fallout from this interview. I watched the first half, but couldn't stomach any more after that...

    I think his butt should be behind bars, the arrogant p***k.

    JMO
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post


      I think his butt should be behind bars, the arrogant p***k.
      I couldn't agree with you more. While I realize the use of performance-enhancing drugs was quite common while he was racing (and may still be), what I find the most disturbing is how adamant he was about his innocence, and the reported threats (including serious death threats) that were made towards others who dared speak out against him.

      From what I've seen of this whole tragic mess is that he took this to a whole other level and was one of the key people in a huge doping scheme. So, while many are guilty of cheating, it sounds like he was the mastermind or ringleader. And he certainly had no problem accepting countless accolades, awards, prizes, and huge amounts of cash that he clearly did not deserve.

      He ruined and negatively impacted a lot of lives by his dishonesty and deception. How could anyone ever trust ANYthing he says ever again? What about the impact on his children, who trusted him and stood by him, not to mention countless others? The ripple effect of his actions is immeasurable. I think we're just seeing the beginning of the fallout now that he's finally admitted to his years of deception.

      As for lifting the ban so he can compete in sanctioned sports again? I hope they never do that. IMO, he's lost the right to ever compete again. He took this whole thing to the extreme. I'm all for compassion, but his calculated actions and extensive lies wreak of blatant sociopathy (or at least severe narcissism). Sadly, I once admired him a lot and hoped he was truly innocent. But I now agree with those who feel he should go to prison for his actions. Being banned from competitive sports and publicly disgraced is not enough punishment for this level of deception, fraud, and vicious behavior. It's truly a very sad thing, all the way around.
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  • Profile picture of the author cjp214
    Guys, here's what I don't get.

    Why in the world did he do this now? What does he gain from it? I just don't understand the timing of his confession. He's been keeping this a secret for so long. Why come out and do this now? I don't think he feels guilty in the least.

    I find the timing suspect. Being in Austin, it's definitely been the top story for the past few days.

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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      He wants to compete in Triathlons and he can't due to his lifetime ban.

      He is hoping that the ban will be suspended if he comes clean about what happened.

      Chatting to some chatshow host doesn't really cut it though.

      He is 42 so there is a limit to how long he could compete unless it was seniors.

      Anyway that is why he is doing it now, nothing to do with being sorry.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by cjp214 View Post

      Guys, here's what I don't get.

      Why in the world did he do this now? What does he gain from it? I just don't understand the timing of his confession. He's been keeping this a secret for so long. Why come out and do this now? I don't think he feels guilty in the least.

      I find the timing suspect. Being in Austin, it's definitely been the top story for the past few days.

      Best,

      Corey
      I think I mentioned it before, but I will say it again. I think it is simply to get some money.

      Jim,

      He is not contrite and NOBODY could believe he ever would be, so he should....HECK, HE ******MUST****** be banned for life. If he isn't, what is the point of ANY paid sports?

      On the twilight zone, they once had an episode where boxing was ILLEGAL! They WANTED to have boxing! There was BIG money in it! So they decided to keep having BOXING, but ONLY with ROBOTS! They might as well start making the robots NOW!

      BTW on the twighlight zone, odds were given based on model, age, and owner, of the robot, probably in that order.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    Real Steel, Starring Hugh Jackman is a robot boxing movie worth watching IMO. Wonder what would happen if the robots could ride the bicycles in the Tour DeFrance. Because of the money involved you know darn good and well someone would figure out a way to juice up the robots.

    I admired Armstrong when he was riding and even believed he did it honestly. His battle against cancer took him to another level during that time and his raising $50 million to fight cancer just enhanced my opinion of him.

    Now I feel a deep sense of disappointment because of his lies and attacks on people who stood up for him over the years. Breaking the trust of family and friends is something that breaks my heart, regardless of who is doing it.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman View Post

      Real Steel, Starring Hugh Jackman is a robot boxing movie worth watching IMO. Wonder what would happen if the robots could ride the bicycles in the Tour DeFrance. Because of the money involved you know darn good and well someone would figure out a way to juice up the robots.
      At least people wouldn't set personal goals based on the robots.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I see the charitable aspects of Armstrong mentioned every time his name comes up on the news. The comment is usually about "the good he's done".

      But he RAISED money - as in solicited money from other people to fund his charity. He was able to do that because he put himself in a position as a "winner" and "hero" by doping.

      I'm happy for those helped by his charity - but I don't give him feelgood points for it.
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      • Profile picture of the author goindeep
        Personally I could care less about Lance, biking or sports in general. Although I dont mind watching sports, that is the extent for me.

        I dont mind the brain washing aspect of it though...

        I think if media gave cancer the same attention it did sports, Lance and this whole debacle we might actually be closer to ridding this rotten thing...
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