The most interesting company in tech: Valve

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The most interesting company in tech: "Valve is a completely flat company, with no hierarchy, and everyone has to find their own project or start their own project and recruit other employees to the cause. You have no boss, no one can tell you what to do."

edit: (thanks Kim) Oops - Here's a direct link - http://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2013/1...-in-tech-valve

Do you think it would work?
  • Profile picture of the author KimW
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I'm not sure what you are asking as far as "Do you think it would work?".
    They have been in business for many years now and ,even though it is a private company, almost every gamer I know,including myself have their main program installed,Steam, and have made many purchases from them. So do you mean will it work as a company making money,definitely yes I think.
    Does the corporate structure work? It must to a certain degree because they have lasted this long.
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    • Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I'm not sure what you are asking as far as "Do you think it would work?".
      They have been in business for many years now and ,even though it is a private company, almost every gamer I know,including myself have their main program installed,Steam, and have made many purchases from them. So do you mean will it work as a company making money,definitely yes I think.
      Does the corporate structure work? It must to a certain degree because they have lasted this long.
      I was thinking more of the corporate structure, as a 'cohesive autonomy' of sorts - if someone in the organization is more talented, and has more leadership skills than the others, he is, whether by committee or not, kind of 'running things'?

      It just seems like one of those ideas that looks good on paper, but in practice is hard to maintain...
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I understand that and to a point agree with you.
    But I just look at it as a company have a different corporate identity,like Apple and Google,and it does seem to work.
    Of course,there are several downsides I think, Valvle had/has a reputation for not releasing products on time,whis in this day and age seems to be a lot of company's problem,and it also is seen as a company with a sense of humour,a plus in my eyes.
    And of course, the founders of Valve came from Microsoft if I remember correctly,another company with a different corporate mindset.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I understand that and to a point agree with you.
      But I just look at it as a company have a different corporate identity,like Apple and Google,and it does seem to work.
      Of course,there are several downsides I think, Valvle had/has a reputation for not releasing products on time,whis in this day and age seems to be a lot of company's problem,and it also is seen as a company with a sense of humour,a plus in my eyes.
      And of course, the foundfders of Valve came from Microsoft if I remember correctly,another company with a different corporate mindset.
      Actually, Apple at one point had an organization similar to what valve described. When jobs took over, the others left, and it looked like apple might DIE! THEN, jobs did a few things, against similar plans of others. It looked nice, but wasn't standard and was EXPENSIVE. I guess they confused people JUST enough so that a later version of it could be made cheaper and simpler. we will NEVER know what might have happened if the OLD plans went forward. They looked nice, similar power, and a lower cost.

      As for google? That is unfair. AGAIN, google's base business was rather simple. Others were things they COULD have done from day one! STILL, they had ways to hire good imaginative people and get a lot of work done for a song.

      As for not releasing products on time? You mean like apple, microsoft, IBM, etc....?

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, I am still kind of writing MY book. My last project added a few parts to it! It covers a number of different things, and says much of what a lot of that page says. The reason I never hired employees, or decided to create a corporation like so many, and the reason why franchises are purchased, etc... is because you DON'T know who you can trust or how to properly start it. Take my old job, for example! I decided to take a job at another company that is basically a PORTION of what I USED to do. They argued for me for a time that I didn't have it on my resume!

    My OLD job has now been split up. Programmer, analyst, DBA, BA, ADMIN, BI.... MAN!
    And my old company didn't have HR! I had ONE boss that DID know something about what I did.

    Today, a lot of corporations spend MILLIONS of dollars in WASTE! I had one customer that was a bank. Let's just say they were LARGE, I won't name them. I estimate that my book, as it stands, would have saved them over $600K USD in the span of 6 months for two employees! That is a LOT of waste! They might have wasted more, but I doubt they paid even a penny less. I'm half tempted to give it to people that hire me, but I would only regret it. They likely would never read it.

    Steve
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    • Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      The reason I never hired employees, or decided to create a corporation like so many, and the reason why franchises are purchased, etc... is because you DON'T know who you can trust or how to properly start it.

      Steve
      Well, it is known that companies like Apple and Google, etc. may initially give a 'dummy' project to a newbie to test his loyalty, and see what his intentions are - "Spies spies everywhere!'
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Not sure I understand Steve, I wasn't criticizing anyone or anything. Just making some comparisons.
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    They are doing okay - in Bellvue, Washington. I would think if you got the right people you could have a company that would thrive and everyone would be happy as hell.

    Note - these people are all probably of sufficient temperament and intelligence to handle the company structure. If you need someone to tell you how to do your work, you aren't going to be a fit for them. I don't see any problem with them being able to work it. I've always refused management jobs because of the authoritarian hierarchy mentality it takes. I don't have it. As a coordinator, you aren't "boss" you are doing a project and enlist the help of others in the company to get it done - there is a lot more personal pride in excellence in a group that is doing a project where each has the reigns of their own part of it. That company makes me wish I had tech skills. As the "owrner" of the project, you can still get rid of dead weight if they don't give you the desired results - you just can't nag them about how to get the results.
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