Are you PROUD of your online written material?

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I ask this question because I am constantly reminded of it.
I have just started several new projects for clients and one was for a topic I know very little about.
Therefore I had to check out quite a few websites for answers.

I could NOT find a single site that was free from spelling, punctuation and grammatical errors.
From the look of it, many did not even bother to use spell check.

I know that lots of people don't really care about whether their content is written correctly as long as they get the message out.
BUT I had to give up on some of the pages I found and attempted to read...because they made no sense. It wasn't just a few errors. It was more of a case of counting the things that were right that was easier to do.

So I am interested to know how much people do or don't care about the grammar, punctuation and spelling of their written content.
NO, this is NOT just a ploy to get work.

Please answer the poll and let me know your opinions as well.
Thanks in advance.
#content #errors #grammar #punctuation #spelling
  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    Isn't anybody interested enough to reply?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Williams
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      Isn't anybody interested enough to reply?
      I chose "I do what I can, but never get help".

      From a grammatical perspective, I do try to make sure the spelling, punctuation, etc. are ok.

      My problem is I don't believe in "facts" or "truth" as most sources portray them.

      One study says there are "5 reasons coffee is good for you". Another source may offer "7 ways that coffee is destroying your immune system".

      Everybody has an agenda. We are all liars and prostitutes to some degree. Even the government sources or huge authority sites that writers seem to depend on for their research are not 100% credible to me when they speak in absolutes.

      For example, in another post, the following statement was given as "fact"...

      "The earth is 13.7 billion years old."

      Not a fact. A fact by definition requires you to observe, experience, or have witnesses that something exists or is true.

      Nobody can do that. We have no witnesses.

      You could say "the latest studies based on our somewhat flawed mathematical computations seem to suggest that the earth could be up to 13.7 billion years old".

      I'll buy that.

      Now, I know some folks will say that's just semantics or that I'm taking things way too seriously.

      And I get it.

      But, I would challenge people to be perfectly honest with themselves. Are the "facts" or "truths" you believe today the result of careful research, experience, or first-hand knowledge on your part ...

      Or, are they the result of persuasive people with hidden agendas telling you how you should believe?

      Until you answer that, you are easily deceived.

      So, am I PROUD of my online written material?

      No. Not yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    Maybe my post isn't explained clearly enough. I am talking MAINLY about grammar, spelling and punctuation. Facts are an entirely different fish.

    I totally agree with you about people claiming so many different things that it can be impossible to know the truth all the time.

    I am diabetic and the truths vary a LOT and, even though I have written over 600 articles on this one topic, I still don't know the true answers to some questions because there are so many "versions" of the truth.

    I hope more people will vote in my poll.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Williams
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      Maybe my post isn't explained clearly enough. I am talking MAINLY about grammar, spelling and punctuation.
      Fair enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      Maybe my post isn't explained clearly enough. I am talking MAINLY about grammar, spelling and punctuation. Facts are an entirely different fish.

      I totally agree with you about people claiming so many different things that it can be impossible to know the truth all the time.

      I am diabetic and the truths vary a LOT and, even though I have written over 600 articles on this one topic, I still don't know the true answers to some questions because there are so many "versions" of the truth.

      I hope more people will vote in my poll.
      Well this is where I had trouble with your questions. I'm not an amateur. While I am careful about the technical elements - more so in some works than others, such as a forum post, which I type fast and don't edit at all unless the spell checker is screaming at me. On a website I strive for perfection - but don't always hit it. I do, however, go back and read it later when the errors stand out. I am able to get stuff up without more than one or two errors first time, though. 100% on grammar, spelling, etc is almost impossible to achieve in long works. You can ask any author about that one. Even with several edits of a long work, there are going to be one or two errors no matter how many editors it goes through.

      What I am concerned about as far as "pride" in my content, since I am familiar enough with the language to write fluidly -- is the actual content of the content (lol). Most of what I read online would just be damned embarrassing to post on my site. Shallow. Misinformed. Rehash. Lack of pizazz in writing style. There are the areas that really need to shine through to be much good to anyone - and even if google doesn't know that - readers do.
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  • Profile picture of the author ikhwanudin
    Every time I write a piece of article, I feel really good about it. Whether it is high quality or low quality, it does not matter to me. I write about things I know about.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    ikhwanudin...so you don't care if it's written badly? Is that what you're saying?
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    • Profile picture of the author MilkerFocus
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      ikhwanudin...so you don't care if it's written badly? Is that what you're saying?
      so... what erectly you mean?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I wish I could take back every copy and re write all of mine personally, but hopefully the info is good at least. I do feel good about that part, although I have some posts here that make me cringe.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    John, knowing your reputation I am sure that your info is 100% good, even if you may have made a few grammatical errors.
    My curiosity is whether people care about possible errors.
    I find many people that don't even when told about them.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    Hi Sal,

    I disagree when you say that you can't help mistakes in long work. My biggest proofreading job was 1500 pages and I also had to do it manually so I had no spell check. It came back with zero errors after I finished it.

    All it takes is care and patience and focus to make sure mistakes are eliminated BUT I guess it also means you need to know what to look for.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      Hi Sal,

      I disagree when you say that you can't help mistakes in long work. My biggest proofreading job was 1500 pages and I also had to do it manually so I had no spell check. It came back with zero errors after I finished it.

      All it takes is care and patience and focus to make sure mistakes are eliminated BUT I guess it also means you need to know what to look for.
      It happens - but if you ever do any reading you will see that many novels have one or two errors in them (and I'm saying one or two, not scores of them). It's not because nobody proofed them. Congratulations on your perfection - but it's not the norm even with a lot of professionals on the case. It happens, but not 100% of the time. I would like to know what you did that was 1,500 pages. That's longer than the freaking health care bill and War and Peace, both of which contain typos.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I do a LOT of reading and I do find that perfection is more the exception than the norm. BUT many people don't even use spell check. Anyway I guess that is their business.
    The 1500 pages I did was the mid term reports for a whole school from prep through to year 12. Seems the teachers can't spell well enough to do it on their own.

    That job took me 2 weeks of non stop reading to achieve it. It's tough when you are blind in one eye too.

    It is amazing how bad some teachers are with spelling...and some can't even get the names of pupils correct.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      I do a LOT of reading and I do find that perfection is more the exception than the norm. BUT many people don't even use spell check. Anyway I guess that is their business.
      The 1500 pages I did was the mid term reports for a whole school from prep through to year 12. Seems the teachers can't spell well enough to do it on their own.

      That job took me 2 weeks of non stop reading to achieve it. It's tough when you are blind in one eye too.

      It is amazing how bad some teachers are with spelling...and some can't even get the names of pupils correct.
      Ah - you EDITED that much. I thought you were saying you both wrote and edited that many pages of a single work.

      First off - it's not that teachers don't know the language - it's very difficult to edit your own work. You often read over the mistakes merely because you know what you were meaning to say and your eye won't always pick up what you actually said.

      Secondly - it's a hell of a lot harder to edit a long work than a short one, even if you are going through tomes of material, because you get mesmerized more easily as your mind starts to flow with, and understand, the material. You won't find mistakes in the first pages of the work usually - they start to happen toward the middle and the end for the same reason - the reader becomes familiar with the material and expects rather than sees.

      Third - the evolution of English has made for some bizarre spellings. Only an idiot savant can claim perfect spelling in this language. Spell checkers help immensely, but are not perfect either. The best even an extremely intelligent person can do in this language as far as spelling goes is a high percent of perfection. Most editors merely have a very deep sense of when they need to look a less frequently used word that's not real familiar to them up because it's questionable.

      Forth - sometimes it's not a matter of not knowing. It's just a matter of not seeing. A lot of errors you will see sneak through are ones in which letters are either missing or transposed. That's not a lack of intelligence or pride - it's a visual glitch.

      I realize that as an editor, you HAVE to be focused on perfection in a work - but as far as the work itself and the consumer's reaction to it, you can have one or two errors without it affecting your credibility in a several page piece of work or longer, a short work is not only easier to achieve perfection within, it is more important to do so. After a few errors, your credibility declines. Not a guess - linguistic science. There comes a point to which the insistence on 100% becomes more of a personal quirk than a real issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Hi Laurence.

    When I am paid to ghostwrite I am 100% on it for typos, grammar, etc.

    When I write for myself I am about 99% concerned

    I really believe that 'we do not get a second chance to make a first impression' - and that what we write represents us and our business.

    For forums and on the fly stuff where I am always in a rush - I am only at about 50% concern. (but I will go back and edit if something jumps up at me after the fact). (mostly guilt because I am always under scrutiny - being writing is one small facet of my business).

    I know the standards have relaxed for grammar, etc with so many that don't have English as their first language. People are more forgiving. *

    *and it is contagious - BROKEN English spoken here - I hear so much of it that I start talking like that - I actually think it is cute.

    However when I see more than one typo/misspelling/bad grammar - I do tend to think 'slob' - in fact sometimes even 'scam' - (because so many scammers try to sound so officious and end up with all the writing sins there are - as if to say - don't trust me I am a liar AND I can't spell/type).

    I do honestly find it very distracting to have misspellings, etc. when I am reading.

    ... but I know NOBODY is perfect - so we learn to live with

    imprefections.

    (purposely left misspelled)

    (you are supposed to giggle here).
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Giggle, Pat!

      Okay, my turn.

      I always turn out each and every piece I write with 100% perfection containing no misspellings, grammar, punctuation or structural errors...

      Uh, Huh! And you should see me walk on water! :p

      Of course I care, what writer wouldn't? However, I have found that trying to be anally perfect in everything mentioned above totally kills the creativity flow while writing. I strive to be correct, but come on, no one is perfect 100% of the time.

      Also, with the English language continuously evolving, how can one be perfect? Perfection oft times leads to boring, boring material, imho, of course.

      Terra
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