Somebody has to help these people- North Koreans

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They are forced to worship this leader...I have watched all five of these. Its sick. Here is just one vid out of this documentary.

Normally I think we should mind our own business, or merely teach others to fend for themselves, but this man wont even let them fend for themselves. He wont let them have any outside influence, or even leave the country. It is horrible in the worse way.

Not that I need one more concern in this world, but learning about North Korea gives you a serious sense of burden to want to do something. I cant believe the rest of the world lets him go on this way.

Yes I guess Im damn glad I was born in America. and there are solutions for other poor countries, but not for this one. This man will not let them grow, he controls them, even their minds...and he starves them by his own deliberate decision. They are truly desperate slaves to a man they think is God, and he punishes them for not believing that.


An example of this worship (the leader had nothing to do with this- more to do with their unhealthy condition than the solution)

  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    The only way that country will change will be from war.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    ALL full dictatorships work this way! Outside of DEATH, the DICTATOR's desire to change, REVOLT, or WAR, it WILL NOT STOP!

    Frankly, I am surprised you didn't know. NK is one of the best known current examples of this.

    There IS another type of government that is similar but less restrictive. I would love to say what but....

    BTW, short of going to war, we CAN'T help them! And we ALREADY TRIED to help them ONCE!

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    It is simple matter of invading N. Korea and conquering it withing a short period of time. But you are dealing with millions of the most brain washed people who ever existing. The aftermath could make that of Afghanistan and Iraq like a kindergarten trip.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      As always, there's another side that isn't quite as desperate. No country can attack North Korea without taking on responsibility for millions of people.

      North Korea's Natural Resources

      These are people raised to be subservient, uneducated, not aware of how the rest of the world lives. It could take a generation or more of caring for the populace before it learned to take care of it's own citizens. Most countries cannot afford that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        As always, there's another side that isn't quite as desperate. No country can attack North Korea without taking on responsibility for millions of people.

        North Korea's Natural Resources

        These are people raised to be subservient, uneducated, not aware of how the rest of the world lives. It could take a generation or more of caring for the populace before it learned to take care of it's own citizens. Most countries cannot afford that.
        Also, North Korea has the world's largest military. I don't think any country can afford to invade North Korea. It's no Aghanistan or Iraq.

        Meanwhile...

        North Korean parents 'eat their children' after being driven mad by hunger in famine-hit pariah state | Mail Online

        I don't understand why the UN does not invalidate DPRK's membership.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Because the UN isn't in charge of running North Korea. It's not their job to decide what kind of govt or dictatorship any country should have.

          You make a good point about the military. There's a risk to saber rattling and threats when it comes to both North Korea and Iran. These aren't countries that will skirmish when attacked. They have strong defenses and they aren't worried about body count. If we could not win decisively in Iraq and Afghanistan after ten years - we don't need to be attacking countries with REAL military strength.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Because the UN isn't in charge of running North Korea. It's not their job to decide what kind of govt or dictatorship any country should have.
            Not about the government but the Human Rights violations. If you watch the documentary above, she mentions than in the prison camps, the guards shot down two people when they were trying to catch mice to eat.
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        • Profile picture of the author Thomas
          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          It is simple matter of invading N. Korea and conquering it withing a short period of time.
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          No country can attack North Korea without taking on responsibility for millions of people.
          Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

          Also, North Korea has the world's largest military. I don't think any country can afford to invade North Korea. It's no Aghanistan or Iraq.
          Technically, none of the above matters... or, rather, it does, but it's not the #1 issue which is, in fact, China.

          Nobody can attack North Korea without Chinese approval.

          For such an attack to be sanctioned by the United Nations, it would have to be approved by the Security Council, which China will simply veto if it isn't to their liking (and they will, with the possible exception of a war unambiguously initiated by North Korea... though even that couldn't be taken for granted either).

          And, in the case of an attack outside of international law, the Chinese will be compelled to intervene in defence of the North Koreans. While they don't actually have that much time for the North Korean regime anymore, expecting them NOT to intervene would be like expecting the United States to not to intervene in a scenario where a third-party attacks and/or invades Canada or Mexico.

          It simply won't happen.

          (Also, the fact that most of the Russian Pacific Fleet is based less than 3 hours from their (admittedly small) border with North Korea can hardly be ignored too.)

          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          North Korea won't need war to change. China's influence ... will bring about change.
          Thunderbird is right... in the absence of the Soviet Union, North Korea survives at the behest of the Chinese. They could easily stomp Kim Jong-un into the mud if they wanted to, and things would change very rapidly. As of right now, though, I don't think they have any reason to want to do so, at least not at anything other than a snails pace.

          However, within a decade or two from now, I think it's very likely that one of the three scenarios above will have already been played out to some extent. The least-worrying and most-likely is simply an intact North Korean regime that has been significantly changed for the better by Chinese pressure. A Chinese-sanctioned military intervention by the United Nations is the next most likely. And the least-likely, but most worrying, is a unilateral attack on North Korea precipitating a full military response by the Chinese.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

          Also, North Korea has the world's largest military. I don't think any country can afford to invade North Korea. It's no Aghanistan or Iraq.

          Meanwhile...

          North Korean parents 'eat their children' after being driven mad by hunger in famine-hit pariah state | Mail Online

          I don't understand why the UN does not invalidate DPRK's membership.
          Thats terrible. At least I dont have to carry my sense of hatred closely enough for anyone in my OWN pathetic circle of personal enemies... They have just come up a notch to mere "dislike".

          I have to ration it, because normally Im not capable of much hate...:rolleyes: But even that has been a change, because prior to a year ago I wasnt capable of it at ALL.

          None of my own enemies are THIS bad...I know who I hate more than any man on earth now. Negative energy officially shifted out of my personal space, and across the world.

          Actually one of my enemies kinda behaves alot like this guy... "I vow to take down John Durham at all costs, no matter who is destroyed in the process..." but , sorry dude, this guy is much worse. You are merely "disliked" now, by comparison.

          Now that I know what is truly worth hating, I cant hate you anymore, there isnt enough hate energy to go around.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            Now that I know what is truly worth hating, I cant hate you anymore, there isnt enough hate energy to go around.
            What did I ever do to you!!??

            Eating your own kid. There isn't anything below that, is there? That's as low you can go as a human being, at least for me.

            I'd much rather kill myself than eat mice or kids.
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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

              What did I ever do to you!!??

              Eating your own kid. There isn't anything below that, is there? That's as low you can go as a human being, at least for me.

              I'd much rather kill myself than eat mice or kids.
              You know that wasnt for you Sumit :p

              Yeah I would cut off my arm and feed it to my kids before I would eat my own kid... or I would dig up some grub worms or something with protien that they could survive on more than likely, there are lots of insects that people can eat...grasshoppers...of course I guess that would require "grass", which isnt plentiful in a drought Im sure.... Mice? I dont think so... have you ever seen a dead one decomposing? Not pretty. lol

              If I was starving though I think I could pop a few grub worms with minimal resistance.
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              • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
                Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

                Mice? I dont think so... have you ever seen a dead one decomposing?
                He asks an Indian...

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        • Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

          I don't understand why the UN does not invalidate DPRK's membership.
          The UN put Robert Mugabe on a council for Human Rights...what's to understand?
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  • I put this in the thread about Eric Schmidt last night, but it seems this would be a good spot too...

    The secret lives of North Korea

    What is life like for the non-elite in this closed land? Do citizens really believe that mountains dance when a leader is born? Britain's former ambassador describes the people he knew there
    The secret lives of North Korea - Asia - World - The Independent
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  • Profile picture of the author ikhwanudin
    North Korea is indeed in a very messed up situation and I hope those poor people will become free at some point. Tyrants can never last long in this world, we have seen that in the past.
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  • Ironically, North Korea is the only country in the world where marijuana is completely legal...there are no laws regarding it's use.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The reclusive North this week declared a boycott of all dialogue aimed at ending its nuclear programme and vowed to conduct more rocket and nuclear tests after the U.N. Security Council censured it for a December long-range missile launch.
      The UN is focusing on the military threat posed by North Korea.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I think their leader is one man who is worth wiping out without even a trial...personally...as an individual, he seems worse than any other leader we have taken out.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I think their leader is one man who is worth wiping out without even a trial...personally...as an individual, he seems worse than any other leader we have taken out.
      Right, but realize this. The US DID attack at a time when victory was FAR more certain. Whatever happened doesn't matter, the fact is that NK is still there:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

      Anyway, the US should stay out of any wars until there is a just reason, and the US is better. And any such war is unlikely to help Korea. Of course, if they DO attack, they should realize that there are ways they could be wiped out before anyone has a chance to really determine what happened. But it is far easier to obliterate a country than change it through war. The ideal would be to slowly convert it to a proper economy, and open the border. With any luck, in 20-40 years, a decent person will take over and do just that.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Right, but realize this. The US DID attack at a time when victory was FAR more certain. Whatever happened doesn't matter, the fact is that NK is still there:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

        Anyway, the US should stay out of any wars until there is a just reason, and the US is better. And any such war is unlikely to help Korea. Of course, if they DO attack, they should realize that there are ways they could be wiped out before anyone has a chance to really determine what happened. But it is far easier to obliterate a country than change it through war. The ideal would be to slowly convert it to a proper economy, and open the border. With any luck, in 20-40 years, a decent person will take over and do just that.

        Steve

        I agree, leave them alone, but when they start launching rockets towards the US, it would be done & over with, light em up...

        I think there's so many NK generations already brain washed into thinking they have the good life, it would be counterproductive to try & change them in a short period of time.

        On the other hand it's not so easy to sit back & watch a guy on a power trip starve his own people for no reason. If they have money for military, they have money for food.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    Human rights abuses in North Korea are tragic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
    Mice, grasshoppers, roaches, kids... nothing. I'm gonna make a run for it and be shot dead. I'm gonna die with pride, not from food poisoning.

    Sumit.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

      Mice, grasshoppers, roaches, kids... nothing. I'm gonna make a run for it and be shot dead. I'm gonna die with pride, not from food poisoning.

      Sumit.

      I hear that. Giving the finger to the big statue on my way out.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        The UN put Robert Mugabe on a council for Human Rights...what's to understand?
        I did not know that! When?

        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        I hear that. Giving the finger to the big statue on my way out.
        Lying down..
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post


          Lying down..

          .........
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        • Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

          I did not know that! When?
          Sorry, I got the info twisted up, he was asked to be an ambassador to tourism last year, but after so much opposition, to this - they reneged - mea culpa
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    If they had any natural resources our gov wanted, we'd be there already.

    For now- I think it's pretty important to get our own government under control. We are becoming positioned to be in the same situation very soon if we don't stop our fed gov's power grab and their hostilities to their own citizens.
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  • North Korea 'under martial law'

    North Korea has been placed under martial law and Kim Jong-un has told his front-line troops to "be ready for a war," according to South Korean media reports.

    North Korea 'under martial law' - Telegraph

    My question is...Hasn't North Korea pretty much always been under martial law?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      North Korea 'under martial law'

      North Korea has been placed under martial law and Kim Jong-un has told his front-line troops to "be ready for a war," according to South Korean media reports.

      North Korea 'under martial law' - Telegraph

      My question is...Hasn't North Korea pretty much always been under martial law?
      There ARE different levels.

      You have to wonder. I mean is ANYONE planning to attack NK?

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      • Profile picture of the author bravo75
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        There ARE different levels.

        You have to wonder. I mean is ANYONE planning to attack NK?

        Steve
        Great. Israel has just bombed Syria, NATO has invaded Africa, Russkies are on high alert and now war is looming with NK. World's gone mad.

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        • Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

          Great. Israel has just bombed Syria, NATO has invaded Africa, Russkies are on high alert and now war is looming with NK. World's gone mad.

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

          Great. Israel has just bombed Syria, NATO has invaded Africa, Russkies are on high alert and now war is looming with NK. World's gone mad.

          Well, the israel strikes were a given. Only a question of when, but the end time has been rapidly closing for a few years, since iran is creating fission material, and threatening israel. Nato going against things like libya was a given too. There is a lot of strife in the middle east and africa. For russia, I know a lot of them are allied with and/or supported by russia.

          Oh well, THIS is why they have the prime directive on star trek, and why the manhatten project was SUPPOSED to be SECRET!

          Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      My question is...Hasn't North Korea pretty much always been under martial law?
      No. It might be a (very) totalitarian, one-party state... but that's not the same thing as martial law.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    If and when the crunch comes, I highly doubt that China will choose N. Korea over its 3 largest trading partners i.e. S. Korea, Japan and the US. But nor will other countries want to get to the crunch either. The S. Korean military is strong enough to do the job on its own without backing from the US or any other country. But Seoul is within 70 km of N. Korea and would be highly susceptible to artillery attacks. If anything flares up there, the impact on the world economy would be extremely serious and unpredictable.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      If and when the crunch comes, I highly doubt that China will choose N. Korea over its 3 largest trading partners i.e. S. Korea, Japan and the US. But nor will other countries want to get to the crunch either. The S. Korean military is strong enough to do the job on its own without backing from the US or any other country. But Seoul is within 70 km of N. Korea and would be highly susceptible to artillery attacks. If anything flares up there, the impact on the world economy would be extremely serious and unpredictable.
      I don't know about NOW, but one reason why so many korean companies just POPPED UP all of the sudden was because they were there FAR longer, but providing stuff for JAPAN! So even some JAPANESE goods may be in short supply if korea is attacked, EVEN if they don't have korean parts.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      If and when the crunch comes, I highly doubt that China will choose N. Korea over its 3 largest trading partners i.e. S. Korea, Japan and the US. But nor will other countries want to get to the crunch either. The S. Korean military is strong enough to do the job on its own without backing from the US or any other country. But Seoul is within 70 km of N. Korea and would be highly susceptible to artillery attacks. If anything flares up there, the impact on the world economy would be extremely serious and unpredictable.
      There ARE several rumors that China has effectively written off the US.

      Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      If and when the crunch comes, I highly doubt that China will choose N. Korea over its 3 largest trading partners i.e. S. Korea, Japan and the US.
      I wouldn't bet money on it, Derek. They might be major trading partners (and vice-versa), but I think China would be about as okay with a US-occupied North Korea as the US would with a Chinese-occupied Canada or Mexico (which is to say: not very ).

      When 'the enemy' is right on your door-step, attitudes changes very quickly. In fact, that's not even a necessity - just the perception of a serious threat is enough for normal commerce to become a secondary consideration. For example, just before December 1941, nearly one-third of all Japanese foreign trade was with the United States... a week later, they attacked Pearl Harbour.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

        I wouldn't bet money on it, Derek. They might be major trading partners (and vice-versa), but I think China would be about as okay with a US-occupied North Korea as the US would with a Chinese-occupied Canada or Mexico (which is to say: not very ).

        When 'the enemy' is right on your door-step, attitudes changes very quickly. In fact, that's not even a necessity - just the perception of a serious threat is enough for normal commerce to become a secondary consideration. For example, just before December 1941, nearly one-third of all Japanese foreign trade was with the United States... a week later, they attacked Pearl Harbour.
        SOME actually said the US sent RESOURCE STRAPPED JAPAN the RESOURCES to build the zeros, etc... It was under the guise of building toys that, then, were primarily METAL!

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  • Profile picture of the author charm01
    Too bad that the video has been removed and I cannot watch it. But if you have actually read some articles on Yahoo about a recent News on North Koreans slaying their own kids and eat it. Yes cannibalism because of too much poverty. At least we do not live there and be over powered by their leader.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW Prior to sometime around 1999, china would have been in a far worse situation. They probably have all they figure they will get from us. They have the internet as well. If they WERE going to openly attack, the best thing would be during a LARGE war or after being exhausted by the current ones, and the economy. So now just wouldn't be the best time.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    If they keep this sh.t up, they might be "helped" sooner than later.

    North Korea plans to conduct two nuclear tests at once, or in quick succession, South Korea said. The prediction is based on satellite data that allegedly uncovered an uptick in activity at two tunnels at the North's Punggye-ri nuclear test site.

    "There is a chance that the southern tunnel is a decoy, but we aren't ruling out that the regime will conduct nuclear tests simultaneously at both tunnels," South Korean newspaper Chosun Ilbo quoted a military source as saying.

    Testing multiple devices at the same time could be part of an effort to produce smaller nuclear warheads that could be mounted on missiles, the source said.

    Earlier reports suggested the test will take place before February 10 – the start of the Lunar New Year. Other reports have claimed the test will fall on February 16, the birthday of late North Korean leader Kim Jong-il.
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  • Two Chilling Developments Suggest Asia May Be One Step Away From War


    China and Japan, along with North and South Korean troops at the DMZ, appear one step away from armed combat and tensions don't look likely to ease any time soon.
    New developments within both regions illustrate how close to open combat the four countries are, and how quickly one incident could expand to war among very powerful nations.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    It seems tragic that people live like this but they believe that they have to defeat the west so they will have peace. They have been hearing these claims for 60 years and it would be very hard to change their mind. We have to have hope that things will change internally. The average citizen would not want to go to war but there are very few people still alive that fought in the last war.
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