Al Gore sued by over 30.000 Scientists for Global Warming fraud

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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    Where did the Koch brothers find 30,000 scientists?

    Oh, and sue him for this internet thingy too...it's kerflooey.
    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Where did the Koch brothers find 30,000 scientists?

      Oh, and sue him for this internet thingy too...it's kerflooey.
      It's Art Robinson, not the Koch Bros. Art is the same scientist that believes the radiation from nuclear plants is "good" for us. There's also lots of controversy about many of his 30,000 signitures on the pettition.

      Check him out for yourself. This is the lead scientist debunking global warming:

  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    That's at the top of the stupid pile for me.


    ....it's also rehashed from the same announcement in 2008...which was labeled a "myth"
  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    Just for starters...
    Robinson opposes abortion and supports gun rights,[1] cutting taxes, increasing border security and building new power plants.[1] He argues for balancing the federal budget, defunding earmarks and ending special-interest influence in Washington.[1] He also supports restoring sound money and ending the Federal Reserve System. Robinson is against bailouts to Wall Street banks. He also supports a strong national defense, but with a more restrained foreign policy.[21] Robinson is a signatory to A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism, a petition circulated by the Discovery Institute to promote intelligent design.
    Though he is quite credentialed, I would have to see his supportive data...
    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Just for starters...

      Though he is quite credentialed, I would have to see his supportive data...
      Watch the video. Let him speak for himself.
  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    This 30k figure is utterly bogus, irrespective of whatever stance one holds on global warming. Spreading such a lie really has an erosive effect on the credibility of whatever argument one presents.
    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      This 30k figure is utterly bogus, irrespective of whatever stance one holds on global warming. Spreading such a lie really has an erosive effect on the credibility of whatever argument one presents.

      Spreading lies for some is not really erosive to their credibility... it's more like an "inconvenience"...

      Al Gore's 'nine Inconvenient Untruths' - Telegraph
  • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
    In lieu of hard scientific data...

    Have not the summers felt hotter?
    The winters seem shorter?
    Arent the northern ice caps melting?
    Sea levels rising?
    Glaciers melting at a record pace?
    Carbon emissions at an all time high?
    Hurricanes/Typhoons/ Super storms occuring at greater strength and frequency?
    Or are y'all living on a different planet?

    Yes, Al "me want banana" Gore is NOT the sharpest knife in the drawer
    And his facts tend to be skewed, however, not acknowledging that there is even a minute amount of "Truth" to his claims is living in denial
    • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
      Originally Posted by Big Rob View Post

      In lieu of hard scientific data...

      Have not the summers felt hotter?
      The winters seem shorter?
      Arent the northern ice caps melting?
      Sea levels rising?
      Glaciers melting at a record pace?
      Carbon emissions at an all time high?
      Hurricanes/Typhoons/ Super storms occuring at greater strength and frequency?
      Or are y'all living on a different planet?

      Yes, Al "me want banana" Gore is NOT the sharpest knife in the drawer
      And his facts tend to be skewed, however, not acknowledging that there is even a minute amount of "Truth" to his claims is living in denial
      Oh, poo-poo and pish-tosh :p :rolleyes:
    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by Big Rob View Post

      In lieu of hard scientific data...

      Have not the summers felt hotter?
      The winters seem shorter?
      Arent the northern ice caps melting?
      Sea levels rising?
      Glaciers melting at a record pace?
      Carbon emissions at an all time high?
      Hurricanes/Typhoons/ Super storms occuring at greater strength and frequency?
      Or are y'all living on a different planet?

      Yes, Al "me want banana" Gore is NOT the sharpest knife in the drawer
      And his facts tend to be skewed, however, not acknowledging that there is even a minute amount of "Truth" to his claims is living in denial
      But they are not occurring at greater frequency - they are being reported at a MUCH greater frequency than before. And we have social networks that let us know when anything anywhere happens now.

      Big storms, heat, and weird weather have always happened - There was just never a youtube, facebook, and 24hr news channels to report it.

      I'm not saying that our lifestyles have NO effect on global climate - it's just not nearly as much as those making billions saying it actually lead you to believe.


      ps - Al Gore recently sold "Current TV" which was suppose to be his mouthpiece to spread his global agenda of "making smaller carbon footprints". He sold it to Al Jazeera - which is completely funded by the sale of fossil fuels. It's about money.
  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    btw: Recycling plays a big part in saving the planet too -
    Wondering what to do with your 'poptops'?
    Here's a creative suggestion...:rolleyes:
    Ah, Casual Friday, the best day to pull out the lighter necklace and soda can tab suit. - Imgur
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    The 30,000 scientists are ALL degreed. The degree is required to sign, unlike the Kayoto petition of a few thousand which included people such as hair dressers. Kewl eh?

    We don't have warming - we have desertification. There is one hella difference. Yeah it's change - but what the govs want to do won't cure it.
    • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      The 30,000 scientists are ALL degreed. The degree is required to sign, unlike the Kyoto petition of a few thousand which included people such as hair dressers. Kewl eh?

      We don't have warming - we have desertification. There is one hella difference. Yeah it's change - but what the govs want to do won't cure it.
      I would think desertification is a process...warming is a result - and one begets the other...

      (ftfy - Kyoto)
    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      The 30,000 scientists are ALL degreed. The degree is required to sign, unlike the Kayoto petition of a few thousand which included people such as hair dressers. Kewl eh?

      We don't have warming - we have desertification. There is one hella difference. Yeah it's change - but what the govs want to do won't cure it.
      Let's take a look at all of those "degreed" signers...


      Global warming: Oregon candidate Art Robinson epitomizes GOP dogma - National environmental policy | Examiner.com

      However, in 2001, Scientific America did a random sampling of the petitioners and found many irregularities, including duplicate names, phony names, and people who could not remember signing such a petition. Numerous individuals said they would not sign the petition again. Loosely extrapolating the numbers, it was determined the petition only had a core of about 200 legitimate climate researchers.
      In addition, there are 18 organizations on record calling global warming a “fraud”. They include numerous petroleum, mining, transportation, energy associations, and the US Chamber of Commerce. There are 103 organizations on record calling global warming a “fact”. They include NOAA, NASA, US department of Defense, US Department of Energy, and dozens of global scientific academies.
  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    Maybe it's not 30 thousand scientists...maybe I misread it and it actually is what it said 30(point)000 scientists...they do like to be accurate and all (they are scientists :rolleyes so 30.000 'mad' scientists is not so many...we can handle that...(it's probably more like 29.9999)
    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Maybe it's not 30 thousand scientists...maybe I misread it and it actually is what it said 30(point)000 scientists...they do like to be accurate and all (they are scientists :rolleyes so 30.000 'mad' scientists is not so many...we can handle that...(it's probably more like 29.9999)
      It's a tad over thirty thousand. You can see the petition list at a site called Icecap.org. It's a site where climatologists circulate climate news - political, physical, etc.
  • Profile picture of the author williambrown
    How come they have 30K scientist are they working together or are they just working alone? This is crazy, we al have our fair share of deeds and acts that caused global warming I think.
  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    I'm curious Kurt, how you may have surmised I was on Art Robinson's side...when in fact I am quite far from anywhere being on his side. He could almost be the poster child for right wing Southwestern Oregon fundamentalist/survivalists - he is a nut job, but I wanted to see if there was any creditability at all in his position, as I like to keep an open mind and see what the opposition camp is thinking, and I certainly don't support his crazy ideas regarding radiation...or really much else in his political platform.
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Gore invented the internet, Bush invented the interwebs. The interwebs are all around us.
  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    They are scientists.

    30.000 is thirty and zero thousandths.

    Significant digits will get ya every time.
  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    First, this "suit" was brought up in 2008, 4-5 years ago. It was nothing more than a publicity stunt.


    Second, there are no legal grounds for a suit.


    Third, there's all sorts of documentation concerning Art Robinson's "31,000". And considering the facts about his list (such as names like "Donald Duck" being on the list), I'm not sure how anyone can respect his scientific method. He is obviously willing to lie and twist the truth to get his desired outcome.


    Here's a list of references...At least check out the Wikipedia page.

    Taken from:
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100729214718AAMg6oH



    Wikipedia page about the petition
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Peti…

    Current Oregon Petition website
    http://www.oism.org/pproject/

    Current covering letter from Prof Seitz
    http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p41.htm

    The page before 12,000 names suddenly appeared
    http://web.archive.org/web/2007121623322…

    Original version before the wording was fraudulently changed
    http://web.archive.org/web/1998120707231…

    Sourcewatch page about the petition
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit…

    Signatories to the Leipzig Declaration
    http://www.sepp.org/policy%20declaration…

    The Leipzig Declaration
    http://www.sepp.org/policy%20declaration…

    Sourcewatch page about the Leipzig Declaration
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit…

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