RIP Chris Kyle American Sniper

whateverpedia

11 years ago

Quelle ironie.

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SteveJohnson

11 years ago

There are several hundred soldiers, of several different nationalities, that came home alive because of Chris Kyle. Quelle ironie my ass.

More like, il est si tragique.

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Peter S

11 years ago

"R I P" Chris Kyle.

You served with HONOR!!!
Thank You.

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KimW

11 years ago

He was a soldier,he did his job,and from what I understand did it well and with Honor.
He came back and tried to help others.
He was a real hero in my eyes.

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whateverpedia

11 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

He was a soldier,he did his job,and from what I understand did it well and with Honor.
He came back and tried to help others.

Thoroughly agree with you on that.

He was a real hero in my eyes.

A hero, in my eyes, is someone who races into a burning building to rescue a child. Or someone who dodges bullets to rescue a wounded buddy in no man's land is also a hero.

Someone who hides from view and pops off unsuspecting targets (even if they deserve it) is not a hero. A necessary part of the war machine perhaps, but not even remotely heroic.

Good on him though for trying to help his fellow veterans, that part of his life is worthy of praise.

That raises the question though of why the government that sent these guys off to illegally invade a foreign land on behalf of corporate (oil) interests can't, or won't look after them.

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KimW

11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Thoroughly agree with you on that.

A hero, in my eyes, is someone who races into a burning building to rescue a child. Or someone who dodges bullets to rescue a wounded buddy in no man's land is also a hero.

Someone who hides from view and pops off unsuspecting targets (even if they deserve it) is not a hero. A necessary part of the war machine perhaps, but not even remotely heroic.

Good on him though for trying to help his fellow veterans, that part of his life is worthy of praise.

That raises the question though of why the government that sent these guys off to illegally invade a foreign land on behalf of corporate (oil) interests can't, or won't look after them.

Well,in that case my brother is a hero too.
He served in Viet Nam (not a hero in your eyes,but one in mine) and came back and was a firefighter and EMT. (a hero to you).

The rules of war are different than normal life,whatever that is.
You are saying they can have suicide bombers and IEDs and snipers themselves but we can't play by the rules they use against us?
I disagree.
A snipers job is definitely one of the hardest in the military.
So, we have to agree to disagree on this one.

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LarryC

11 years ago

[QUOTE=whateverpedia;7694121]Thoroughly agree with you on that.

A hero, in my eyes, is someone who races into a burning building to rescue a child. Or someone who dodges bullets to rescue a wounded buddy in no man's land is also a hero.

Someone who hides from view and pops off unsuspecting targets (even if they deserve it) is not a hero. A necessary part of the war machine perhaps, but not even remotely heroic. >>

And how can we say who "deserves" it? Most of the guys on the other side are just following orders or acting out on what they've been conditioned to believe. To me, the real heroes are people who question and do what they can to dismantle this war machine.

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SteveJohnson

11 years ago

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Originally Posted by whateverpedia

...A hero, in my eyes, is someone who races into a burning building to rescue a child. Or someone who dodges bullets to rescue a wounded buddy in no man's land is also a hero.

Then he should be a hero 'in your eyes'.

One job of a sniper, which according to accounts Chris Kyle did very well and many times, is to suppress enemy activity so a wounded buddy can be rescued from no-man's land.

You have some glamorous but misinformed view on what a sniper does and what is necessary for them to do their job. Real life ain't the movies. Real war ain't the movies.

The humbling thing is that Kyle didn't think of himself as a hero, as most true heroes don't. He said he was just doing his job. The number of battlefield decorations that were awarded to him paint a different story.

The countless people he was instrumental in saving think of him as a hero, as do those of us who respect how well an honorably he performed a difficult and very dangerous job.

He was the kind of man who would risk his own life to save someone else's. Given your remarks, I doubt that you could fill his boots.

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Daniel Evans 11 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

Then he should be a hero 'in your eyes'.

Your enemy may be a "hero" in the opposing forces eyes.

With that in mind, it would be foolish to attempt to establish it's definition.
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- SteveJohnson 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Daniel Evans
  
  Your enemy may be a "hero" in the opposing forces eyes.
  
  With that in mind, it would be foolish to attempt to establish it's definition.
  
  Totally true, at least the first sentence.
  
  But in the case of my post, I was echoing the example he gave of what a hero would be in his eyes:
  
  A hero, in my eyes, is someone who ... dodges bullets to rescue a wounded buddy in no man's land ... .
  
  He established his own definition, which Chris Kyle fit perfectly.
  
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- LarryC 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Daniel Evans
  
  Your enemy may be a "hero" in the opposing forces eyes.
  
  With that in mind, it would be foolish to attempt to establish it's definition.
  
  Just for the record, the above quote isn't from my post.
  
  The definition of "hero" is indeed extremely subjective.
  
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  Daniel Evans 11 years ago
  
  My mistake. I carried some code across that Steve posted.
  
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  SteveJohnson 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by LarryC
  
  ...The definition of "hero" is indeed extremely subjective.
  
  It certainly is, and that he was considered a hero by those he served with is evidenced by being awarded two Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars with Valor, two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals, and one Navy and Marine Corps Commendation. During his four combat tours, he was shot twice and survived six IED explosions. After returning home, he spent much of his time helping fellow veterans suffering from PTSD.
  
  Obviously his enemies didn't consider him a hero. To them, he was Al-Shaitan Ramad- the Devil of Ramadi. I take that as an indication that he was pretty good at what he did.
  
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garyv

11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Someone who hides from view and pops off unsuspecting targets (even if they deserve it) is not a hero. A necessary part of the war machine perhaps, but not even remotely heroic.

Snipers are one of the most targeted on the battlefield. Many of them do not make it back alive. It's much more dangerous than a fireman, and saves more lives.

Please don't come into an RIP thread w/ that kind of rhetoric.

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SteveJohnson

11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

Snipers are one of the most targeted on the battlefield. Many of them do not make it back alive. It's much more dangerous than a fireman, and saves more lives.

Please don't come into an RIP thread w/ that kind of rhetoric.

A useless plea - he is of the same type that cried foul when Americans refused to line up in rows to be mowed over by the British in the Revolutionary War but instead fought from cover.

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Sue McDonald

11 years ago

This is sad. All he tried to do was help a fellow veteran and the guy turned on him. This is not the way he should have died.

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nishanth13

11 years ago

RIP ..... .

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AprilCT

11 years ago

I read on the news that about 22 military personnel (I guess that is current or former) commit suicide every day. The PTSD our troops are suffering must be horrendous when they get back between divorces, inability to cope and really going over the edge.

I did see that Chris Kyle was killed and felt very sad the way it happened. You get through the combat and come back only to lose your life this way. This is a terrible tragedy and more needs done for our troops so these horrible tragedies and the suicides, divorces, etc. don't happen. Perhaps the way our politicians do things in the first place would be a good start, it's not their lives on the line.

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Kurt

11 years ago

Originally Posted by AprilCT

I read on the news that about 22 military personnel (I guess that is current or former) commit suicide every day. The PTSD our troops are suffering must be horrendous when they get back between divorces, inability to cope and really going over the edge.

I did see that Chris Kyle was killed and felt very sad the way it happened. You get through the combat and come back only to lose your life this way. This is a terrible tragedy and more needs done for our troops so these horrible tragedies and the suicides, divorces, etc. don't happen. Perhaps the way our politicians do things in the first place would be a good start, it's not their lives on the line.

I've posted before that I think it may be time to start a draft for the kids of politicians that can vote for war.

It's alot harder to send your own kid to war than it is the kids of other people. And I think politicians would think long and hard about wars if it their own kids were eligible for the draft. This is something we've missed since we did away with the draft.

While I like the idea of a voluntary army, I don't like the idea of risking the lives of kids when you aren't willing to risk the life of your own kid.

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SteveJohnson

11 years ago

I've posted before that I think it may be time to start a draft for the kids of politicians that can vote for war.

I'm relatively certain the high-and-mighties in DC would never allow something like that. It would definitely temper their enthusiasm toward sending American men and women into conflicts we have no reason to be in.

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Kurt

11 years ago

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

I'm relatively certain the high-and-mighties in DC would never allow something like that. It would definitely temper their enthusiasm toward sending American men and women into conflicts we have no reason to be in.

Yep. My comment was idealistic, not realistic. However, there are some politicians that are in favor of starting the draft again for everyone, not just politicians for similar reasons.

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Ken Durham

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Ditzel

We lost possibly the best American sniper in history. RIP Chris Kyle.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/u...lled.html?_r=0

Sniper? what a stupid f'ed up world we live in. Why would we put this young man in such a situation where he had to do what he did?
Right.... good parents, good leaders...

Just think what he could have done if we had taught him about life and how to live... it is our fault he is dead....not his... or any others

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HorseStall

11 years ago

I am going to order his book, I think his story is truly inspiring. The interview clips being shown show a very humble man.

RIP

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jimbo13 11 years ago

Best sniper in Afghanistan was the Taliban fellow using an ancient Lee Enfield Rifle. Shot 2 soldiers with one bullet in one incident.

Anyway, shame this Kyle got killed in the manner he did.

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