Anyone else want "internet marketing" without "MMO?"

11 years ago

"Get rich quick" and MMO certainly aren't same same entities.

If you profit from a niche you're essentially in the MMO sector.

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Mogly

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Evans

"Get rich quick" and MMO certainly aren't same same entities.

If you profit from a niche you're essentially in the MMO sector.

Hmm, I guess that works... but that's pretty much what I was getting at.

I meant the MMO niche which is also known as the get rich quick niche. Like the majority of the WSO's. Teaching people how to make money online by selling products that make them money.

But you can call it whatever.

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Dennis Gaskill

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mogly

I meant the MMO niche which is also known as the get rich quick niche. Like the majority of the WSO's. Teaching people how to make money online by selling products that make them money.

Call me a cynic, but I'd guess a high percentage of those selling WSO's teaching how to make money online don't make much money online outside of the WSO forum.

Of course, this is a marketing forum. People come here to learn how to make money online. It's only natural that those who sell those kind of products go to where their target market hangs out.

If only the buyers would do a little research, they could avoid being taken in by the pretenders.

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Mogly

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Call me a cynic, but I'd guess a high percentage of those selling WSO's teaching how to make money online don't make much money online outside of the WSO forum.

Of course, this is a marketing forum. People come here to learn how to make money online. It's only natural that those who sell those kind of products go to where their target market congregates.

Ok. :/

Well, that's what I meant. I wish there was a place online marketers could congregate without being followed by those type of people.

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Dennis Gaskill

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mogly

Ok. :/

Well, that's what I meant. I wish there was a place online marketers could congregate without being followed by those type of people.

I see ... I must learn to stop multitasking before I reply!

I don't know how you'd do that out in the open. Perhaps it could be done in a paid sub-forum.

One option would be to start a Skype mastermind group. You could invite whomever you like. If you recruit members from a variety of different niches it can be a very informative and dynamic group with a lot to offer each other. It's a great way to build a network of contemporaries.

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Call me a cynic, but I'd guess a high percentage of those selling WSO's teaching how to make money online don't make much money online outside of the WSO forum.

Of course, this is a marketing forum. People come here to learn how to make money online. It's only natural that those who sell those kind of products go to where their target market hangs out.

If only the buyers would do a little research, they could avoid being taken in by the pretenders.

Yep, a broke newbie, building a site on how to make money, is a cliche!

Usually full of crappy old PLR BS, that doesn't work!

But, yeah, a forum that concentrated on real systems, that worked would be good, l belong to one, that concentrates on successful WSO's, (Launching one soon) but a more general one would be good.

If only the buyers would do a little research, they could avoid being taken in by the pretenders.

Yep, Dennis, that is good advise, but they would need to do very thorough research first!

I got scammed by someone who did a very convincing WSO, a while ago!

And l did do thorough research on him, before coughing up.

Then after 2 months of effort and seeing B****A*** l did some more research and found that some of his members that did his testimonials, had tried his method, with crap results!

So, very thorough research, is good, and if you want quick cash, avoiding SEO type products, as well. I have tried 3 over the last 5 years, and none of them worked!

Obviously if l churned out enough sites, etc it may work, but it could take years.

I tend to avoid SEO type WSO products, l have wasted enough time with this sort of crap.

Shane

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Dennis Gaskill

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

So, very thorough research, is good, and if you want quick cash, avoiding SEO type products, as well. I have tried 3 over the last 5 years, and none of them worked!

Obviously if l churned out enough sites, etc it may work, but it could take years.

I tend to avoid SEO type WSO products, l have wasted enough time with this sort of crap.

Shane

In my experience, SEO takes time, and when done right, isn't much affected by Penguin, Panda, and other animals. I've done my own SEO since 1997 and have never had a problem. I build for staying power, not speed.

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kenmichaels

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

In my experience, SEO takes time, and when done right, isn't much affected by Penguin, Panda, and other animals. I've done my own SEO since 1997 and have never had a problem. I build for staying power, not speed.

I remember SEO in 97 ... I actually remember the first time i heard that phrase coined.

I also remember back then it really meant... submitting to as many search engines
as possible.

It is rather interesting how things .. how meanings change over time.

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Dennis Gaskill

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

I remember SEO in 97 ... I actually remember the first time i heard that phrase coined.

I also remember back then it really meant... submitting to as many search engines
as possible.

It is rather interesting how things .. how meanings change over time.

Yes, getting links was part of it even back then, but for some of us, so was writing quality content, using keywords and latent semantics (although we didn't call it that back then), and on-page, on-site optimization. Most of what I did back then I still do.

Of course, I've added some new strategies and refinements, but the stuff that worked and had staying power back then is the stuff that works and has staying power now. I've seen a growing number of sales pages that seem to indicate people are now advocating what I've been doing and teaching for over a decade.

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Mogly

11 years ago

Yeah everything tens to evolve overtime, maybe the internet even more so due to its rapid development.

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John Rogers

11 years ago

Anyone who doubts what Dennis is talking about, take a look at the pagerank of the links in his sig which point to internal pages of his site. And they are sales pages to boot!

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Henry White

11 years ago

Not exactly.

Anyone can become very effective at selling without becoming a jerk.

We also need to simply dial back a few notches on the hype and hysteria.

The most effective way to do, I think, is to master the fundamental principles and best practices of marketing, The real challenge is to adapt strategies, tools, and techniques to suit your unique audience, your particular niche, your particular goals.

As always, one size does not fit all, so there will always be a very lucrative market for frauds and charlatans to sneak in to fleece the unsuspecting newbies and a good percentage of veterans alike.

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tagiscom

11 years ago

In my experience, SEO takes time, and when done right, isn't much affected by Penguin, Panda, and other animals. I've done my own SEO since 1997 and have never had a problem. I build for staying power, not speed.

Hmmmm, yep, l did a site with a respected host, (l won't mention it here, or l might start a slinging match) and they said do what we recommend and in about 3 to 4 months you will start to generate a cash flow?

I slaved away for months, small change in traffic, and then after about 2.5 years of working full time, l got the traffic up to almost 55 a day. Well, now it is about 90, but this is more than 5 years!!! Arrrrgggggg.

SEO,d the site to death, optimized the pages, etc but apart from adsence it showed little in cashflow. I also tried another product around supposedly generating up to $25 a day with adsence! It did have some good ideas, but after months of effort, did B***A***. And this product was mainly about backlinking!

The last Video SEO product, was it for me, 2 months more tears!!!

Well, not really, but it did, and still does P*** me off!

I know now that only about 13% of members for the host above produce typical profit margins, most work like dogs, and get no-where!

So, more power to you if you managed to get this SEO stuff to work, but l will avoid it, and stay with software development!

Should produce more concrete results!

Shane

PS l am creating lists, so l am still in the stadium with SEO, but will avoid the ballpark!

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Dennis Gaskill

11 years ago

Ah Shane ... there are so many things I could say to your post. It sounds like you did things, for lack of a better term, the conventional way. I did things my way and much of what I did early on was unconventional.

For example, my first income was from providing a custom graphics service. Instead of setting prices, I made the graphics and delivered them and let people pay what the graphics were worth to them.

I don't know if you could do that today, but back in late '97 most people were fair. In fact, more people paid more than I would have asked than paid less, if I had been setting prices. Telling folks up front they only had to pay what they thought the graphics were worth got me a lot of jobs, a lot of good will, and a lot of word of mouth recommendations. Some of those people still follow what I'm doing today, and that was 16 years ago as I write this.

Funny things can happen when you follow your own star - some of 'em are pretty darn good. I was forced out of my comfort zone many times because of it, and I haven't regretted it once.

Well, that's probably more than you wanted to hear, so I'll shut up now and go back in my little hole.

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Ah Shane ... there are so many things I could say to your post. It sounds like you did things, for lack of a better term, the conventional way. I did things my way and much of what I did early on was unconventional.

For example, my first income was from providing a custom graphics service. Instead of setting prices, I made the graphics and delivered them and let people pay what the graphics were worth to them.

I don't know if you could do that today, but back in late '97 most people were fair. In fact, more people paid more than I would have asked than paid less, if I had been setting prices. Telling folks up front they only had to pay what they thought the graphics were worth got me a lot of jobs, a lot of good will, and a lot of word of mouth recommendations.

Funny things can happen when you follow your own star - some of 'em are pretty darn good. I was forced out of my comfort zone many times because of it, and I haven't regretted it once.

Well, that's probably more than you wanted to hear, so I'll shut up now and go back in my little hole.

Nah, good advise! But, yeah, l did it the conventional way!!!

But apart form the first one, the other 2 were unconventional but still low likely hood of success, unless you have a rabbit in the hat somewhere?

At least software can be spin a million ways, so it has a better chance of success.

No, l don't have an issue with your advise, its people that seem to do it the conventional way, and magically get it to cough up quickly, that makes me reach for the nearest bucket!

Or especially people that get it to, work and then tell you off, because you are not as lucky as they were!

That puts me on a plane to the US, and the nearest gun shop!!! :rolleyes:

Shane

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MarvyDery

11 years ago

internet marketing is using the internet as a medium to market your business, products or services. you can be into internet marketing without venturing into the 'make money online, niche. As a pharmacist, i started IM mainly to promote health products

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Mogly

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MarvyDery

internet marketing is using the internet as a medium to market your business, products or services. you can be into internet marketing without venturing into the 'make money online, niche. As a pharmacist, i started IM mainly to promote health products

Exactly what I'm saying.

I just wish there were internet marketing forums without people trying to sell internet marketing coachins, systems, information products.

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Daniel Evans

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MarvyDery

internet marketing is using the internet as a medium to market your business, products or services. you can be into internet marketing without venturing into the 'make money online, niche.

If you are a charity maybe, otherwise if you are a "for profit" business and you are using the Internet as a medium for marketing and generating sales, you are "making money online".

Originally Posted by Mogly

Exactly what I'm saying.

I just wish there were internet marketing forums without people trying to sell internet marketing coachins, systems, information products.

Loads of "get rich quick" systems involve selling niche products, establishing e-commence sites, Ebay businesses via dropshipping, - you name it. Any one of those can be marketed as a "get rich quick" system and many are.

Technically, there's nowhere to draw the line.

It seems the problem in this case is not the product, but the format in which you see it being marketed.

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jjsam 11 years ago

MMO IMHO has helped people begin online, but the hype and junk products need to be rooted out
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