People Stranded On Carnival Cruise Ship Triumph

11 years ago

Interesting points...without technology, and many of the conveniences of modern day living, I doubt that many would be able to survive, let alone keep their wits about them in a crisis situation.

Granted being stuck on an ocean liner is not exactly a life and death situation, I'm certain it made many of the passengers thankful that we live in the age that we do.

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Kay King

11 years ago

I was just watching this on CNN - and laughing.

Carnival is being crucified with calls for them to "do something" - but I don't know what more they can do at this point. They've arranged buses, arranged phone calls to the ship, booked hotel rooms and are setting up charter flights to get the people home. They are, of course, refunding the trip - giving a free trip and $500 to each ticket holder. They can't go back and make it "not have happened". The risk for Carnival is if it's found that ship was known to have problems - then they could have further problems in court.

When you compare people's reactions today to how we know people lived a few generations ago...it's shocking. With the level of tolerance and courage today - the West would never have been settled.

The newscasts are what made me laugh. One station is talking about the poor people without A/C in the "oppressive heat" while the next newscast is talking about passengers huddled in blankets to keep warm. The second one would be closer to the truth but we're talking uncomfortable, not freezing.

Probably like every big inconvenience or uncomfortable situation - some people will deal with it by making the best of it and taking it in stride. Others will be hysterically shouting "help me" because everyone knows 4-5 days of severe discomfort is more than anyone should have to bear.

If I'm going to be stuck in the ocean, I'd rather be on a cruise liner than in a lifeboat. That's for sure.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Glad none of the whiners was with me when I had to do that long of a walk out when I got stranded in the Mts. I'd have left them there.

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Angle Warrior

11 years ago

I'm book with Carnival in April and this doesn't worry me, last week we had a foot of snow so I gladly welcome the warmth and if my vacation is extended because the ship breaks down, Oh Well!!!

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seasoned

11 years ago

As I understand it, there is *******NO******* provision for food problems! and there is NO real rationing(except per INSTANCE!)! This means that when they say there is food, everyone gets in a BIG line! The people in front may get a LOT, and people in back may be left with CONDIMENTS, like ketchup or mustard.

It really IS being poorly managed. And people are stying on the top of the boat because the lower levels STINK!

It is a BIG EXPENSIVE ship and there SHOULD be some redundancy, etc... Where woud the enterprise have been if they left with NO provision? They had a doctor, engineer, replicators, ports, etc... Even on the LOVE BOAT had such things! So why doesn't this cruise line?

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Kay King

11 years ago

Steve- remind me not to stuck on a stranded ship with you.

There were 3100 passengers - of course they had to wait in a few lines. One passenger was just interviewed by phone and said, yes, there was always food but not what he would have proffered as not all the meals were hot meals.

He said the worst things were difficulty in charging cell phones and having to pee in a bucket. Really? How about put down the phone and don't pee.

What you have is 3100 people who were severely disappointed when their luxury cruise turned into a waiting game without the personal service they expected to have. Of course they were disappointed - but they weren't in danger and were taken care of in a difficult situation.

I'm sure it was rough and uncomfortable - but the level of media hysteria doesn't seem warranted for this story.

Even on the LOVE BOAT had such things!

But, Judge, that's the way it worked on TV....ROFLMAO

If nothing else, the story has a lot of laughs.

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AprilCT 11 years ago

Cruises have never called to me to go buy one...there's always been way too many stories of the stomach virus that seems to hit and wreck people's trips.

The ones I really feel sorry for are those who had only so many days of vacation to take...and this was their trip for the year. That has to hurt.

I'm sure a lot of the passengers are worrying about possible contact with nasty bacteria or disease bearing "substances," and you certainly can't blame them.
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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Steve- remind me not to stuck on a stranded ship with you.

There were 3100 passengers - of course they had to wait in a few lines. One passenger was just interviewed by phone and said, yes, there was always food but not what he would have proffered as not all the meals were hot meals.

He said the worst things were difficulty in charging cell phones and having to pee in a bucket. Really? How about put down the phone and don't pee.

What you have is 3100 people who were severely disappointed when their luxury cruise turned into a waiting game without the personal service they expected to have. Of course they were disappointed - but they weren't in danger and were taken care of in a difficult situation.

I'm sure it was rough and uncomfortable - but the level of media hysteria doesn't seem warranted for this story.

But, Judge, that's the way it worked on TV....ROFLMAO

If nothing else, the story has a lot of laughs.

HEY, if they provide for this in the FILMS and TV series, why not in real life? The fact is that they SHOULD. People that own boats often DO know something about the engines and have some alternate methods. It IS easier with say 20 or less people, but STILL. As for the food, I heard it was WORSE!

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Kurt

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

HEY, if they provide for this in the FILMS and TV series, why not in real life? The fact is that they SHOULD. People that own boats often DO know something about the engines and have some alternate methods. It IS easier with say 20 or less people, but STILL. As for the food, I heard it was WORSE!

Steve

Geez, using "seasoned logic", why not just use a teleporter and beam them all to land?

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Kay King 11 years ago

Kurt - I would thank you loudly - but I don't seem to have any thanks today.
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- seasoned 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  Kurt - I would thank you loudly - but I don't seem to have any thanks today.
  
  If you can't see that the fact is that all seem to realize the need except the cruise indutry, then well.... NOPE, I am NOT suggesting warp drive, or even any backup engines at all, and am certainly not suggesting transporters or replicators.
  
  All THAT would require far too much, and technology that doesn't exist, and may not. But to use like 17th century technology to get pat the REST. That IS a BIG ship. They don't even have something they can deliver to help, etc...?
  
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Kurt

11 years ago

I'd entertain them with a "Titanic" movie marathon. That should keep them occupied for a bit.

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Jeff Williams

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ephrils

I'm following this story on CNN now about how people are trapped on the Carnival cruise ship Triumph. It's currently being pulled by tug boats at 7mph into port. It's either going to make port in Mobile, AL or New Orleans, LA.

I hope they land in New Orleans. They can tell their tales of woe to the people who survived Hurrican Katrina.

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Kay King

11 years ago

They will land in Mobile about an hour from me - then many will be bussed to New Orleans (about 2- 2.5 hrs) because there are more charter flights there.

Ya just gotta love some of these people....one family member (not on the cruise but 27 yr old daughter is on it...says

"She called me up screaming. She said it's horrible," he says."She said they were handing out poop bags, and that was her exact words, and telling them to pee in the showers."

He's "furious" - because he wanted to come to Mobile and wait till the ship arrived (several days) and Carnival refused to pay for his room. Again, he wasn't on the cruise. I believe Carnival is now paying for family's rooms but perhaps not for an entire 4 days which is what this man expected.

Apparently the absolute worst thing that could happen to a human being is to have a non-working toilet. I mean, really?

I saw it in Katrina and after the oil spill - people will go to great lengths if there are $$$ to be handed out or a big corp to milk for expenses.

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MissTerraK 11 years ago

The ship is being hailed as "The Floating Toilet" by some media outlets. :rolleyes:

Really? I think they ought to actually put them in a floating toilet and see if they change their minds.

It would certainly be a pain in the arse to be stuck on the ship, but floating toilet? C'mon!

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Sharpay

11 years ago

You're all forgetting that just 1 year and 1 months ago, Carnival's Costa Concordia killed 20+ people when they run aground.

Less than a month after that, another Costa ship had an engine fire and passengers were stuck drifting for 3 days.

They need to get their act together. I work at a rival cruise company, and my views are mine and mine alone and do not reflect theirs. They keep us updated with information and talking points for people who have questions... Unfortunately I'm not allowed to discourage people from ever using them again.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Sharpay,

I for one had not forgotten! NOW, they are saying electricity is out, so only ONE elevator works. The rest must use stairs. HEY, HERE'S a thought! They can do what the airlines do, and hookup to EXTERNAL power and shut down ALL non essential things(NO POWER OUTLETS or external lights or crew power or power to idle areas, like the engine rooms! ), and run ALL the elevators!

And SERIOUSLY, I have been on SEVERAL planes with no power! They need power to get the engines started and can't get the engines started unless they are turning, inn which case they provide power. So they shut down EVERYTHING, get one engine started, by blowing air into it, or hooking up to power, use it to get the plane going, and that allows them to start the other engines, and they are GOING!

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Kay King

11 years ago

I'd entertain them with a "Titanic" movie marathon. That should keep them occupied for a bit.

"You want something to cry about? I'll GIVE you something to cry about"

:p

Reporters are trying so hard for the "drama". Shocking - it will take 1-2 hours to fully dock. Well, yeah...because the port of Mobile isn't set up for ships this big to dock.

Passengers "will have to carry their luggage" - "Mable, I told you not to bring 10 bags for 4 days!". Truth is, the carnival employees (who have probably had it harder than anyone else in the past few days) will be forming a line and passing the luggage FOR the guests.

How many orange "potty bags" are they going to hold up in front of the camera? Discussing bodily functions must be exciting.

Apparently the big crisis is....wait for it..... the person has to use the bag rather than a toilet. Then they must place the bag outside the cabin door and it is picked up quickly by a crew member. Seems to me the sympathy goes to the crew members who have to carry everyone's pee/poo bags for disposal.

I have a feeling the media has gotten the message of "not a huge crisis" as they've toned down a bit and are including interviews with passengers who are praising the crew members and saying "stuff happens".

Two people in the past hour have said "apparently they've cleaned up some things as it doesn't look as bad now".....

translation: I was exaggerating the hell out of the conditions here and we're going to dock so I better step it down a bit.

At least this is entertaining, if only to see how silly people can be.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

"You want something to cry about? I'll GIVE you something to cry about"

:p

Reporters are trying so hard for the "drama". Shocking - it will take 1-2 hours to fully dock. Well, yeah...because the port of Mobile isn't set up for ships this big to dock.

Passengers "will have to carry their luggage" - "Mable, I told you not to bring 10 bags for 4 days!". Truth is, the carnival employees (who have probably had it harder than anyone else in the past few days) will be forming a line and passing the luggage FOR the guests.

How many orange "potty bags" are they going to hold up in front of the camera? Discussing bodily functions must be exciting.

Apparently the big crisis is....wait for it..... the person has to use the bag rather than a toilet. Then they must place the bag outside the cabin door and it is picked up quickly by a crew member. Seems to me the sympathy goes to the crew members who have to carry everyone's pee/poo bags for disposal.

I have a feeling the media has gotten the message of "not a huge crisis" as they've toned down a bit and are including interviews with passengers who are praising the crew members and saying "stuff happens".

Two people in the past hour have said "apparently they've cleaned up some things as it doesn't look as bad now".....

translation: I was exaggerating the hell out of the conditions here and we're going to dock so I better step it down a bit.

At least this is entertaining, if only to see how silly people can be.

Well, I heard only that the staff will be helping SOMEWHAT. You really think they will go to everyones cabins, pack the bags, and carry them up to the deck? NOWAY! Do you think they will take bag in the hall and carry them up? DOUBT IT! How could they do that to help? I mean as bad as it is, having the MANY passengers carry their own bags would be faster than having the relatively few staff members carry them up.

As for the toilets, etc.... What the heck happened? I mean they could have a relatively reliable system run that. And it I difficult, possibly messy, and embarrasing. t is worse than the opposite of what some passengers expected.

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Kay King 11 years ago

Didn't say staff would carry bags - they will form a brigade along the passage hallways to help customers by handling along extra bags or bags that elderly or children can't carry.

I think there's a positive marketing aspect to this event that many are missing. In an airline crash, people sue and it can take years for the airlines to resolve the payouts. Same is true of train wrecks, mining catastrophes, etc. Cruise ships don't handle it that way - they offer reimbursement immediately - pay out extra for time and trouble, offer a free cruise, provide transportation and lodging. Once the people get home, get a shower and life gets back to normal, most will think of this as a bad adventure and put it behind them.
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waterotter

11 years ago

CNN reported earlier that all luggage from the undercarriage had been removed.

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Kay King 11 years ago

Don't know what that is unless they were able to move some luggage there for easier removal.

From what I read, this was a 4 day trip - it's not likely people have huge amounts of luggage with them for this cruise, is it?

A passenger just talked on one of the news shows - quite a different set os 'facts' from what has been reported

She said staff worked hard to keep things as clean as possible - and there was not sewer flowing over the floor as some have claimed.

She said she always had plenty of food and the only food lines she saw were on the second day when hamburgers were served and people were happy to have hot food. She said she also had plenty of clean water.

The one common point that stands out is passengers praising the crew. I hope carnival rewards that crew - sounds like they deserve it.
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Banned 11 years ago

Lol at the free cruise offer.

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waterotter

11 years ago

The one common point that stands out is passengers praising the crew. I hope carnival rewards that crew - sounds like they deserve it.

I totally agree.

I've heard nothing but high accolades/praise regarding the crew. A few have mentioned they hope they will be rewarded monetarily. Some of the crew's wages are as low as 17 cents per hour so they really have to rely on tips.

Kudos to the crew for a job well done!

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by waterotter

I totally agree.

I've heard nothing but high accolades/praise regarding the crew. A few have mentioned they hope they will be rewarded monetarily. Some of the crew's wages are as low as 17 cents per hour so they really have to rely on tips.

Kudos to the crew for a job well done!

17 cents an hour? what nationality, and where is the ship registered?

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Kay King

11 years ago

Cruise lines offer unique jobs and pay is low. But most full time employees don't maintain homes/bills because they live on the ship. They get room and board as part of their job.

I expect it's like any other service business - the workers who do the most guest service work probably are paid the least. I think the hours would be tough for them. They can pay low wages because most are registered in countries where wage protection is not an issue.

I have friends who have taken time off from work to work a cruise line for anywhere from 3-6 months at a time. These are 20-something dealers with no family or other obligations at home. They deal in the ship's casino and, even with tips, the pay is less than they would normally earn. However, they travel - have great food and say it's a really fun thing to do.

One of them liked it so well he came back and quit his job, gave up his apartment and stored his possessions and went full time on a cruise ship that has international routes. For some workers, it's an adventure but I expect for a lot of them, it's hard work for low pay.

A friend in Atlanta took several cruises a year as the "arts and crafts leader". She worked 3-4 hrs a day giving crafts lessons and was free to enjoy the trip the rest of the time. She had a regular passenger cabin, passenger dining, etc. She wasn't paid at all as far as salary went - but she loved it for the travel.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Cruise lines offer unique jobs and pay is low. But most full time employees don't maintain homes/bills because they live on the ship. They get room and board as part of their job.

Right. I figure room and board might be worth about $13200/year. So an average wage SHOULD be, on US terms, about $26,800. That is maybe $13.30/hour. In minimum wage terms, using the absurd level they want NOW, it would be about $2.53/hour.

I expect it's like any other service business - the workers who do the most guest service work probably are paid the least.

That is because they are generally unskilled.

I think the hours would be tough for them. They can pay low wages because most are registered in countries where wage protection is not an issue.

Actually, they would almost have to pay on the basis of what the market i willing to take. but SOME look at this as a better than free way of seeing the world, meeting people, and going on a cruise. The more skilled the worker is, the higher they can go with less strife and more freedom. BTW most cruise lines register in foreign countries.

I have friends who have taken time off from work to work a cruise line for anywhere from 3-6 months at a time. These are 20-something dealers with no family or other obligations at home. They deal in the ship's casino and, even with tips, the pay is less than they would normally earn. However, they travel - have great food and say it's a really fun thing to do.

One of them liked it so well he came back and quit his job, gave up his apartment and stored his possessions and went full time on a cruise ship that has international routes. For some workers, it's an adventure but I expect for a lot of them, it's hard work for low pay.

A friend in Atlanta took several cruises a year as the "arts and crafts leader". She worked 3-4 hrs a day giving crafts lessons and was free to enjoy the trip the rest of the time. She had a regular passenger cabin, passenger dining, etc. She wasn't paid at all as far as salary went - but she loved it for the travel.

EXACTLY!

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Kurt

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Right. I figure room and board might be worth about $13200/year. So an average wage SHOULD be, on US terms, about $26,800. That is maybe $13.30/hour. In minimum wage terms, using the absurd level they want NOW, it would be about $2.53/hour.

That is because they are generally unskilled.

As a Coast Guard certified apprentice marine engineer, I can tell you that the engine vew is highly skilled. The deck crew also. Service people, maybe/maybe not.

BTW most cruise lines register in foreign countries.

Back in the early 80s, when I was in the industry, there were only two American flag cruise ships. I doubt there's even two today.

The country the ship sails under is the country that sets the standards, laws and regulations for the ship and crew. Cruise lines pick countries with few regulations and sail under their flags to avoid regulations and to pay as little as they can.

This would have never happened had the ship sailed under an American (or W. European) flag.

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waterotter

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

17 cents an hour? what nationality, and where is the ship registered?

Steve

The Carnival Triumph is registered out of the Bahamas, but is based out of Orlando, Florida, and does most of its cruising in the Caribbean - and thus avoid all U.S. Federal taxes,labor laws and safety regulations.

The Cruise Lines International Association says it's "crew members are provided wages that are competitive with international pay scales." But a cleaner aboard a Royal Caribbean ship, for example, will work 12 hours a day, seven days a week, for as little as $156.25 a week with no tips. U.S. labor laws are not applicable to provide protection to crew members at sea, nor is there any real oversight of the cruise lines' operations.

12 hours a day, seven days a week for $156.25 - that's only 54 cents an hour

Like Kay said, some people just enjoy the experience and lifestyle etc. that comes with working on a cruise ship. People from India etc. work for five or six years straight, all the while supporting their families back home - yet when they retire, they are able to live a life of luxury by their standards.

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Kay King 11 years ago

I just looked up salaries for the Bahamas. A service level (low skill) job average pay is $152 a week in Nassau.

You have to consider salaries based on the country of residence - not on US standards. The reason cruise lines are not US registered is because our restrictions/standards are so detailed, they wouldn't be able to stay in business.

You have a huge ship with many working parts - on occasion, there will be a problem. A fire is a problem and that's what happened here. For an incident at sea, this qualifies as an inconvenience, not a disaster.
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Banned 11 years ago

All 4,000 people on the stranded ship received a complimentary DVD of the movie Titanic.

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HKSEO Jonbones

11 years ago

After seeing all the news coverage of this last night, I have come to two conclusions:

1. It was a slow news day.

2. First world problems are not problems.

These people had food, water, shelter, and were never in any real danger. There are people that live in developed nations that would kill for a shot at that kind of life, let alone all the starving children in ( insert 3rd world country here ).

I understand that if it is not what you are used to, then it could be a hard couple of days.

100 years ago, it could take months to cross the Atlantic, and I'm certain that the "economy passengers" on those travels lived in far worse conditions that anything that we could imagine today.

So what happens when the global power grid goes out? There will be people who just off themselves because they can't tweet, or facebook?

God forbid you should have to ever live in any type of discomfort, that would be a travesty.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HKSEO Jonbones

After seeing all the news coverage of this last night, I have come to two conclusions:

1. It was a slow news day.

2. First world problems are not problems.

These people had food, water, shelter, and were never in any real danger. There are people that live in developed nations that would kill for a shot at that kind of life, let alone all the starving children in ( insert 3rd world country here ).

Well, I heard they DIDN'T have enough food, and were even staying at the top levell because of the nasty things at lower levels.

I understand that if it is not what you are used to, then it could be a hard couple of days.

It was more than a couple days. In fact, AFTER THAT, the delay is, I believe a couple MORE days, because they are tugged by smaller and slower boats.

100 years ago, it could take months to cross the Atlantic, and I'm certain that the "economy passengers" on those travels lived in far worse conditions that anything that we could imagine today.

Yeah, I don't think it was that bad in the early 20th century. GRANTED navigation, agreements, and locks may be better now but GET THIS!!!!!!! The average cruise ship now sails 5.5Mph ******SLOWER****** than the max speed of the titanic, and the top speed is only about 5.5Mph faster than the titanic! There are a LOT of things limiting the speed of large ships, and it is generally better to be SAFE.

So what happens when the global power grid goes out? There will be people who just off themselves because they can't tweet, or facebook?

God forbid you should have to ever live in any type of discomfort, that would be a travesty.

They WON'T OFF themselves. HECK, I am still wondering exactly what I will do. I DO have backup for everything, including some power and computers.

But MAN, you are awfully holier than thou! I HAVE been without food, water, money, computers and communication. HECK, prior to 1980 most people had no computers, no cell phones, and fewer probably had credit and credit wasn't accepted seemingly everywhere. As far as sanitation, I think using an outhouse is about as bad as I have had it.

HECK, my mother once clicked a picture of me after I found that we had a flat, no spare, etc... This was in the 60s, and I was maybe 6 or 7! There were NO cell phones and as far as citizens knew NO similar item. I don't know if they had CBs then, but we certainly didn't have one. The road was a dirt road with NO name to the best of my knowledge, and RARELY had traffic. OH, and did I mention? It was in death valley in the summer! I WAS upset about the spare, but that was it. We DID manage to get going, obviously. But we could have been out there a VERY long time!

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TimPhelan

11 years ago

Bad luck continued for some of the passengers!

Bus Transporting Carnival Cruise Passengers Crashes Into Sewage Treatment Plant | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

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Kay King

11 years ago

It was to be a 4 day cruise - started Feb 7 - was to end Feb 11 - the problem (fire) was on the 10th.

So they had 3 days of a good cruise, then a problem, then 5 uncomfortable, smelly days. The ship did not sink, no one was injured and no one died - time to go home and get over it.

From some accounts it sounds, not surprisingly, that much of the problem were the passengers and their reactions that irritated other passengers...

"passenger Janie Baker told MSNBC's Ed Schultz that people managed the situation well and that the crew was 'fantastic,' but on the final night, 'people's tempers started flying.' She described one incident where another passenger tried to disrupt a movie, and was taken away by the crew. 'If we had gone any longer, it could have been much, much worse,' she said."

said some passengers panicked. 'People were hoarding food -- boxes and boxes of cereal, grabbing cake with both hands,

Couple more days and it would have been Lord of the Flies...

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Bad luck continued for some of the passengers!

Bus Transporting Carnival Cruise Passengers Crashes Into Sewage Treatment Plant | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

ROFLMAO.......I just got home and decided on a quick tour through OT. I have to say, regarding this post - YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SH*T UP, lol.

I have to admit, this is a great stress reliever after hitting a sled tonight - NOT MY FAULT - but, I guarantee the dude won't be enjoying the annual Poker Run this weekend:p

I flatenned his ski's.....shroud busted.......not sure what other damage there was. He was sqealing while trying to take off....he just left the local restaurant, probably had a few......

Oh well, I'm just gateful there were no children on either sled - yes, two sleds flew across the roadway, completely ignoing the STOP sign.

At least one sled won't be competing in the Poker Run tomorow! Amen!

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by waterotter

ROFLMAO.......I just got home and decided on a quick tour through OT. I have to say, regarding this post - YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SH*T UP, lol.

I have to admit, this is a great stress reliever after hitting a sled tonight - NOT MY FAULT - but, I guarantee the dude won't be enjoying the annual Poker Run this weekend:p

I flatenned his ski's.....shroud busted.......not sure what other damage there was. He was sqealing while trying to take off....he just left the local restaurant, probably had a few......

Oh well, I'm just gateful there were no children on either sled - yes, two sleds flew across the roadway, completely ignoing the STOP sign.

At least one sled won't be competing in the Poker Run tomorow! Amen!

Gee, I should never have looked at this one. Sometimes this garbage DOES happen. Maybe it DID happen. But this is from "the onion" and, as such, should be thought to be a JOKE! Here is an article about a wolf that reports that he is upset because nobody told him he has snow on his nose: Alaskan Gray Wolf Can't Believe No One Told Him He They will do ANYTHING to come up with something they think is funny.

Steve

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waterotter

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Gee, I should never have looked at this one. Sometimes this garbage DOES happen. Maybe it DID happen. But this is from "the onion" and, as such, should be thought to be a JOKE! Here is an article about a wolf that reports that he is upset because nobody told him he has snow on his nose: Alaskan Gray Wolf Can't Believe No One Told Him He They will do ANYTHING to come up with something they think is funny.

Steve

Yeah, I just skimmed through, hit the link and didn't pay attention - only looked at the picture.

Never even noticed "The Onion"

None-the-less, I thought it was hilarious!

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ODeez

11 years ago

Sure am glad I am going on a Norwegien Cruise in a month and not Carnival. That ship is going to need a complete overhaul. Hope everyone who was on the ship is alright and makes it off healthy. They really endured some S#*%.

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11 years ago

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SteveJohnson

11 years ago

Cruise ships travel at 5kts because they don't have to go any faster. Less speed, less fuel consumed. They go fast enough to get where they're going, then get back when they're supposed to.

I may be naive in the workings of big business, but I'm betting that Carnival was doing everything in its power to get the ship home. I don't imagine they were thrilled that a a BILLION dollar investment was adrift in the ocean.

If a quick fix was possible, I'm relatively certain they would have done it. These ships are closer in their workings to spacecraft than to the old clipper ships. The newer ones use computer-controlled gas turbines to power the computer-controlled generators that turn the propellers. This ship suffered an electrical fire in the engine control room. That isn't something that can be fixed by a millwright and his bag of tools.

I'm empathetic toward the passengers, it can't have been fun. But I also can't imagine that was any worse than living in, say, London in the mid-1800s.

And, of course, people are lining up for lawsuits, even after all Carnival did to make up for their inconvenience. They should take their whiny selves home and shut up.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

Cruise ships travel at 5kts because they don't have to go any faster. Less speed, less fuel consumed. They go fast enough to get where they're going, then get back when they're supposed to.

I may be naive in the workings of big business, but I'm betting that Carnival was doing everything in its power to get the ship home. I don't imagine they were thrilled that a a BILLION dollar investment was adrift in the ocean.

If a quick fix was possible, I'm relatively certain they would have done it. These ships are closer in their workings to spacecraft than to the old clipper ships. The newer ones use computer-controlled gas turbines to power the computer-controlled generators that turn the propellers. This ship suffered an electrical fire in the engine control room. That isn't something that can be fixed by a millwright and his bag of tools.

I'm empathetic toward the passengers, it can't have been fun. But I also can't imagine that was any worse than living in, say, London in the mid-1800s.

And, of course, people are lining up for lawsuits, even after all Carnival did to make up for their inconvenience. They should take their whiny selves home and shut up.

5kts is PITIFUL! Actually, at least according to wikipedia, they go faster than THAT! I was simply saying that todays cruise ships go slower than the titanic could go, so claims of ships of that time being slower aren't really true. Even the max speed today isn't THAT much faster. but, of course, nobody really wants to go at the max speed in a ship that size. Half the reason for the trip IS supposed to be the trip itself.

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