Ethics of health supplement marketing

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I am recovering now from purchasing and using a health supplement product which was marketed on line and through amazon as being all natural.

Well it almost fried my brain like a pretzel and believe me I am well acquainted now with spinning rooms and losing balance.

I am recovering now that I have stopped using this supplement.

Now the online marker supplying these supplements through the big A has put a disclaimer or warning if you will that was not there when I made the purchase that anyone in their right mind would not buy the product had they read this first.

Is that acceptable ethical marketing?
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    No, its not ethical.You should only buy treatments that are FDA approved or prepared under their minimum requirement guidance.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      No, its not ethical.You should only buy treatments that are FDA approved or prepared under their minimum requirement guidance.
      Actually, this is essentially ILLEGAL! You see, the FDA does NOT have a "minimum requirement guidance", other than what can be called a supplement and maybe suggestions for the RDA which are NEVER followed to the letter and even most doctors say are inadequate. And NO supplement is FDA approved. They enjoy a SPECIAL status that is similar to a drug, but actually treated like a food.

      JohnMcCabe is right. There is one ALL NATURAL product, for example, that has actually been refined for a drug and the DRUG is recognized and approved by the FDA. AND, if you take too much, or are sensitive to it, it can cause the EXACT symptoms you mention. It was used to make one stay awake, alert, have more energy, control appetite, and lose weight, etc.... It was actually GREAT! UNFORTUNATELY a LOT of people once used it in sports, etc... and pushed themselves to the limit. The supplement made that worse, and the FDA outlawed it. Apparenty they now have some loopholes, and it is back. THAT supplement was ephedra, AKA Ma Huang. Of course, CAFFEINE can do it, and there is a chinese herb for THAT also!

      But DON'T go calling for FDA approval. They are trying to do that. In its strictest form, supplements would ********VANISH********! If you wanted them, they would need to be approved by the FDA which costs a LOT and companies would see NO return! and they would then need to be prescribed! ALREADY one form of vitamin B has VANISHED! Omega 3s might soon!

      Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      No, its not ethical.You should only buy treatments that are FDA approved or prepared under their minimum requirement guidance.
      Not good advice at all.
      Have you ever researched what the FDA really does?
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  • I think if it works it's moral, if it doesn't work it's not moral. But that is probably not legal, it's just my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronno99
    I know most people don't act this way but you and you alone are responsible for your own actions at all times. You decide.
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    • Profile picture of the author theaccountant
      Originally Posted by Ronno99 View Post

      I know most people don't act this way but you and you alone are responsible for your own actions at all times. You decide.
      There is an intellectual discussion to be had somewhere here. Is there such a thing as community / society responsibility up to a point or from your point of view every man or woman for themselves and the law of the jungle rules.

      In that world there is no such thing S a scam .. Just people too stupid to realise that it is.

      Interesting ... Could that be the very reason why romney lost?
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  • Profile picture of the author Tenzo
    Are you asking if it was ethical for Amazon to sell the product without the warning, as it did previously?

    I'm going with <c> Not enough information. It depends on when they knew about the risks.
    Plenty of things-with and without FDA approval-seem safe initially, and are proven unsafe down the road.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Copper and lead are all natural. So is radon. Cyanide? Ditto.

    Just because some quack nostrum is labelled "all natural" doesn't mean it won't kill you...
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Originally Posted by theaccountant View Post

    I am recovering now from purchasing and using a health supplement product which was marketed on line and through amazon as being all natural.

    Well it almost fried my brain like a pretzel and believe me I am well acquainted now with spinning rooms and losing balance.

    I am recovering now that I have stopped using this supplement.

    Now the online marker supplying these supplements through the big A has put a disclaimer or warning if you will that was not there when I made the purchase that anyone in their right mind would not buy the product had they read this first.

    Is that acceptable ethical marketing?

    Not enough info to comment. And don't take this the wrong way but having only one side of the story doesn't help the cause.

    My question to you would be, is there something in this stuff that requires the retailer to issue a warning? If there is then I'd agree with your ethics charge.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
    i fear, nowadays, ethics and health suppplements are a contradiction
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I think John has raised one of the basic points. Just because something is natural doesn't mean it can't mess you up if you don't know the side effects. Licorice root is awesome - unless you take it for longer than you should at one time as it will raise your blood pressure through the roof.

    The opposite is true of Astaxenthan (sp?) -- it's incredible for some things, but it can really tank your blood pressure.

    If you don't know what the herbal can do - don't take it. Always look up the side effects of anything you are using medicinally.....
    Your second issue is if the element will even WORK when isolated from the synergistic form. Lycopene is a terrifically strong cancer killer, but it works synergystically, so taking the supplement just doesn't really work - you need to eat it as it is dished out in nature, tomatoes, watermelon, etc.

    And lastly - you need to know the reliability of the manufacturer. Some of them can kill anything and everything in their manufacturing processes one way or another - additives, by products, heat that kills enzymes, name it and they can F*** it up.

    Whenever possible, find the natural source of the element, how long it takes it at what concentration to do its work -- and binge.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    I don't want to seem harsh, but I find it a little incredible that you ingested something solely on the say-so of advertisements, without first knowing exactly what it was you were taking and what its effects could be.

    'All natural' doesn't mean squatola. Death's Head mushrooms are all-natural. Too many apple seeds can kill you. Belladonna grows in the wild.

    Maybe (doubtful, but maybe) you were the first person who exhibited the reaction from taking whatever it was you took. Maybe the warning was there but you didn't see it the first time.

    ...

    And how in bloody blue hell do health supplements have anything to do with Romney losing? LOL
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  • How about trusting people to figure out if they want a supplement or not versus regulating it? I trust we should allow smart people to figure out what supplements they want or don't want. That being said I almost destroyed mylife from eating from a well know billing dollar brand company but I'm still not for someone taking my right to kill myself if I choose to, I know eat healthy nutrients which is soon going to be banned i'm sure but that is why I think we should not have someone tell me what can't or should be sold it's amazing we even think it's normal that someone can ban someone to make a trade.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW in case I didn't make it clear earlier, VITAMINS are a supplement. And YEAH, vitamins can kill. MINERAL supplements are a supplement. I have a friend that lost her child because some QUACK felt she needed more iron! Createin and protein supplements are supplements. Supposedly createin can hurt the kidneys, and protein can cause damage also. Herbal remedies have the SAME status, and many can KILL. I already mentioned ephedra.

    Frankly, if someone with a brain properly monitored current laws, it might be ok, but BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!

    A 7yo(or was he 6yo) waved his fist down, and opened it, as if throwing something, and then said something like "BOOM", and got expelled for playing with a toy explosive. There was NO item, NO harm done. Another kid, I believe about the same age, got in trouble for owning a toy gun. It was an L shaped piece of paper. The people that suspended them are the kind of people we have managing laws like supplement laws.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    The only regulation we should have of supplements is to make sure they contain what they say they contain and only what they say they contain. It's on the person taking them to know what they are doing. It's the same with prescription meds. If you take something lethal just because someone who can hang a sheepskin from a university tells you to, it's YOUR body that's going to take the injury. Know what you put in your mouth BEFORE you swallow.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Heysal,

    You are right about that! SOME will list a proprietary mix. The law says only that the item of largest quantity should be first. They can leave off amounts if they are part of a "proprietary mix". They may include a VERY expensive and powerful component just to have it on the label, and you may find it has a quantity and purity that renders it WORTHLESS! Some also list by RDA%. WHAT RDA? HOW is the percentage calculated?

    ALSO, using bodybuilding as an example, they may have "testers" that use a product contaminated with steroids. It is illegal, expensive, and risky, but they keep all that down by using a few select people. They talk about how great it is, and they may leave the stuff in for a batch or two and then remove it. Obviously, they never SAY they do this, but the FDA actually caught several! When caught, the product suddenly changes, or is removed, and many may only hear the rumor, or nothing!

    Steve
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