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Brother tries to save man after massive sinkhole swallows Florida bedroom | Fox News
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Just wow. It seems there are a LOT of sinks opening up right now. I know a few are because of what they are doing with waste dumping and fracking -- but there are some that can't be explained by that. I'm wondering if many are just the natural result of the land starting to shift as a result of the magnetic pole shift we're in.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Just wow. It seems there are a LOT of sinks opening up right now. I know a few are because of what they are doing with waste dumping and fracking -- but there are some that can't be explained by that. I'm wondering if many are just the natural result of the land starting to shift as a result of the magnetic pole shift we're in.
      Some of them are likely cause by drought. Last year parts of Texas where so dry that it actually caused some homes to sink, due to lack of water in the soil.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian John
      was just reading about it, sad story.

      grew up about 5 min from where that happened
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      • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
        That story made me feel very sad for the man and his family. Every once in awhile I think of moving to Florida, sand, beaches, sun and lots of other things to do. But then I remember the sinkholes, tornadoes, hurricanes and outrageous costs of home (etc.) insurance and just don't think it's worth the hassle.

        Until I hear differently, I'm still hoping they somehow find the guy still alive.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Just wow. It seems there are a LOT of sinks opening up right now. I know a few are because of what they are doing with waste dumping and fracking -- but there are some that can't be explained by that. I'm wondering if many are just the natural result of the land starting to shift as a result of the magnetic pole shift we're in.
      The ones in Fl. are primarily caused by the pesticides used on the orange groves leaching into the aquifer and dissolving the limestone.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Just saw more of it on the news - they haven't been able to find the boundaries and the sink is still growing. Geologists testing in the area are saying the entire area is very unstable.

        I never thought about the pesticides - good point. I do know acid rain and the runoff has been listed as a reason but isn't limestone fairly soft to begin with?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Yeah, it's only 3 on Mohs scale of hardness. It's fairly tough, though. If salt water isn't dissolving it, it's going to take chemicals to do it. Over a long period of time (tens or hundreds of thousands of years), water would dissolve it, but if it's chemicals, the rate of dissipation could be pretty rapid.

    Anyone know how far that limestone extends in that area without some other more solid rock intruding?
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Kay that's what I was told by a Geologist back in the 70's when I lived in Tampa. The run off from the Orange groves containing the pesticides leaches into the Aquifer. The gases they emit erodes the limestone.
      Sal it varies.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        water would dissolve it, but if it's chemicals, the rate of dissipation could be pretty rapid.
        Sometimes I wonder if the "reasons" given depend on the crisis-of-the-year but it only makes sense that chemicals could erode a soft rock. The acid rain reason was used for years to explain sinkholes - in a time where the term "acid rain" was popular. Now it's "runoff" but basically it's th same thing - toxic water.

        We used to look for fossils (younger son was obsessed with fossils) and i remember we could chip away pieces of limestone with tools fairly easily. This was not from the ground down - but on walls of limestone where equipment had sheared through a hill for build a highway and the limestone was exposed.

        As a kid I was fascinated with a sinkhole that opened in the yard at my Grandparents home. It was 4-6 feet wide and deeper than I was tall at the time. That was in SE Indiana and I remember be fascinated that the earth could simply fall in like that.

        This is in central Florida, isn't it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
    @Kay- Yes, close to Tampa.

    @Sal- Limestone/limerock is basically the only bearing strata besides coquina,
    Becomes brittle as it loses its moisture, poreous to begin with , many natural voids.

    @Thom - Malathion is still heavily used in the groves.It is petro based, and corrosive, ( ever spill gas on asphalt?), not sure if the ppms in the aquifer are high enough to affect the base.
    Salt water intrusion may be the culprit.

    Brevard County( where I live), is the least sinkhole likely area in central florida.
    Volusia ( Daytona) gets tons of em, Marion(Ocala) is the worst.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Woods
    The thing I can't believe is that the outside looks fine, thats got to be some pretty bad odds, just that room!
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    Thom - what varies? Limestone? It does - there's a lot of forms of it. Some are very marble-like. Some is tough enough to use as counter tops - but it's still soft. I can cut soapstone with a knife, but it makes a great counter top. It might range up toward 4 in hardness, but it's still a soft stone.

    You can put quartz crystals in oxcilic, hydrochloric, or muratic acid for a few days and clean them. The same amount of time would destroy limestone.
    Coquino is also sedimentary so that's not going to hold up one damned bit better, if as well even.

    If I lived on that foundation and a sink started, I'd just get the hell out of there. What if there are underground cavities? You could lose a huge amount of land very quickly once the acid brings it to the disintegration point.

    We're going to start paying for the grotesque amount of polluting we've done now. It's gone to far and every time we should drop it....some idiot in legislation does something that allows it to be exacerbated instead of helping solve the problem. We've got superweeds, too, because of the poisons we spray -- corporate answer to that? Stronger poison. I wouldn't look for things to get much better until half of everything is just trashed to far to fix it again. I've been watching the gulf - and that is a situation they are making worse. They are silently still spraying corexit and it's getting washed up on shore now. It won't be too long before our trusted media centers are working hard to cover up huge human health/environmental repercussions down that way - if they aren't already. Would make too much sense to tell people that they need to stay away from that area due to heavy toxic contamination. That area is toast. And the whole world is feeling some climate change from what has been done to the water flow. Now we have to wonder if florida is going to end up being just a bunch of islands off a poisonous coastline. Good grief -- how far does it have to go before we get brains and stop this crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Thom - what varies?
      I was talking about the thickness Sal. I don't have a clue to the type.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I cant help but keeping thinking of how it must haunt this kid, being so close yet so far from saving his brother... It must be very hard to carry, even though there was nothing he could do. I cant imagine how that might traumatize a person. The one who has passed away is one thing, but the one who must live hearing his brothers cries over and over in his mind, and replaying the event....Wow. That has to be really tough.
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    This is just crazy!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      They are demolishing the house today. Hopefully, in time the brother will realize he couldn't have changed the outcome and that he's lucky to have survived himself.
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    Were they able to recover the body?

    This is so sad.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I don't like the reporting done on this one. I heard that the hole is 100 ft and growing - but they made it sound like the thing is spreading horizontally - yet if you watch the reports - there's no hole on the outside of the house and that house isn't 100 ft wide. I'm wondering if they are saying, although not clearly, that it's getting deeper - or if it's becoming more cavernous or what. What I've heard on the news just doesn't make sense. Don't know why I expected MSM to actually say anything that does make sense, but in this instance I would have though they could actually say something truthful. I think we're getting a lot of hype, as usual.

    I would think that the brother is having a few nightmares, too. I has to be awful. I rescued Munchie once when he fell into a mine shaft and just the thought of not having been able to get him out of there was so awful that I never went to that region again even though there were great rocks to collect there. I'm sure this guy is going to suffer for a long time over it even if he can put it into perspective.
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