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Unread 11th March 2013, 12:32 PM   #1
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Sure, there are a few German bands, Spliff, CAN etc. Dutch bands, Bloef, Doe Maar, Golden Earring etc.

But why is British and American music so overwhelmingly superior? Is it the language, the culture? Why hasn't China or India got spectacular artists such as Hendrix, Lennon, Paul Weller, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Bob Dylan, Tom Waites, Beefheart, Zappa...? I could go on all day.

What makes British and American music so great?
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I have always assumed its because of the language barrier. Its not easy to sing, so it must be even harder to sing in another language.

I imagine there are many great foreign performers, who sing in there native language, but we wont hear about them because we are not interested in listening to song we dont understand.

Personally even though I am biased, I believe the UK destroys the US in terms of credible talent in the music department.

Beatles, Stones, Floyd, Zep, Queen, David Bowie, U2, Thin Lizzy, Iron Maiden, The who, The clash, Deep Purple, Oasis, Stone Roses, Pulp, Arctic Monkeys, The Jam.

The list is endless. Any top ten band list would feature at least 3-4 of the above.

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I kindly disagree, and have evidence to the contrary.







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But why is British and American music so overwhelmingly superior?
You must mean the American continent or else shame on you for excluding Canada.

But "superior"? That's a subjective judgement, and purely a matter of taste. And a taste that's been formed, I would suggest, by the culture in which you've grown up.

The artists you've listed were also influenced by others in their culture. Rock and Roll was a western phenomenon. Jazz, an American invention.

Other cultures have always had their own music and their own superstars. You just wouldn't have heard much of them, growing up in the west.

We're all products of our time and culture. A century or two ago, our contemporaries might have been claiming all the best music came from Europe or Russia.

Just be thankful you're alive in this era. Music had never been as culturally important as it was in the last few decades of the 20th century.

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Sure, there are a few German bands, Spliff, CAN etc. Dutch bands, Bloef, Doe Maar, Golden Earring etc.

But why is British and American music so overwhelmingly superior? Is it the language, the culture? Why hasn't China or India got spectacular artists such as Hendrix, Lennon, Paul Weller, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Bob Dylan, Tom Waites, Beefheart, Zappa...? I could go on all day.

What makes British and American music so great?
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open your mind just for a little bit and ask yourself a few questions;

1.) population

2.) is because you do not speak any other language besides english

if you spoke.. fluent spanish just for example and you lived in mexico

you would see many stars that are huge in thier respective markets

they just never get out of thier markets

every once in a while the U.S. embraces a particular person and they make enough sales that they cross over

because in the end as well all know its all about SALES!!!!!

Selena for example

there are tons of examples

one recent crossover although I personally dont consider this music

the korean ganga whatever

but i am sure you get the point

just asking this type of question reveals again the bubble english american/brit mentality that the world revolves around them


it doesn't by the way


here are some famous artists in india

#1 CWG Theme Song - AR Rahman -
#2 Pehla Pyar Rush - Veronica Veronica Universal Music India
#3 Waada Hum Yaadon Ke Sang Raeth Universal Music India
#4 Bandish Bandish Bandish Feat Pete Lockett Universal Music India
#5 I Love You Twist & Shout Stereo Nation Universal Music Records
#6 Tum Jaan Lo Tum Jaan Lo Surinder Kumar -
#7 Do Ghoont Mujhe Bhi Pila De Uai aa Uai Maa Survi -
#8 Harjai The Harjai True Emotion DJ Sheizwood Jaina Music
#9 Hum Yaadon Ke Sang Hum Yaadon Ke Sang Raeth Universal Music India
#10 Jan Gan Man (National Anthem) Phir Mile Sur Various Artists MTV


here are some in brazil

Brazil - Top Singles Chart


here are some in china

China Top 20 @ Top40-Charts.com - Songs & Videos from 49 Top 20 & Top 40 Music Charts from 30 Countries

and so on and so on...
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Musical superiority is subjective, it's a matter taste. I'm sure many denizens of other nations would prefer their own country's musical stylings over the US or UK.

For my taste, yeah, I'd agree with you ... but maybe I wouldn't if I were born and raised elsewhere.

And for my taste, there's some mighty fine musicians from Australia and Canada as well.

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I think you are biased, there are plenty of great rock bands from the US.


Aerosmith
Nirvana
The Ramones
Metallica
Van Halen
R.E.M.
The Beach Boys
Guns N Roses
Eagles
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Pearl Jam
The Grateful Dead
KISS
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Foo Fighters
ZZ Top
Talking Heads
The J. Geils Band
Cheap Trick
Creedence Clearwater Revival


These are just a few and our list is also endless.
Leave us not forget the forefathers of Rock-n-roll;
Carl Perkins
Elvis
Jerry Lee
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The Beatles modeled themselves after Buddy Holle and The Crickets, ( hence The Beatles, couple of 'insect' bands.:rolleyes
And the Stones were strongly influenced by US rhythm and blues.

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I think you are biased, there are plenty of great rock bands from the US.
No doubting it however the British artists are absolutely killing it in the American music charts at the moment (and have been for some time) and the place to be seen undoubtedly for many an American music band is in fact playing at The Brit Awards in London.

The point though is perfectly mute, what really matters isn't where you come from but how much people can relate to the music being played. Who gives a fig where the artist is from as long as the music is damn good.


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Look at the roots. American and British music are a European creation. European influence has dominated the world in many, many respects for, what? Nearly 2000 years.

That's changing though. This is a pivotal time. White European culture is fading while others are becoming dominant. The change of the guard.

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strictly regional and cultural

many great australian and new zealand bands, which like l & p are world famous in new zealand - and australia, sorry trevor

check out crying nut from south korea sometime
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Leave us not forget the forefathers of Rock-n-roll;
Carl Perkins
Elvis
Jerry Lee
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The Beatles modeled themselves after Buddy Holle and The Crickets, ( hence The Beatles, couple of 'insect' bands.:rolleyes
And the Stones were strongly influenced by US rhythm and blues.
That's exactly the point. Every Tom, Dick and Harry in the world was listening to that stuff when it came out.

People in China weren't listening to Lee Ho Fook's doo wop band. Indians weren't listening to the Govindishas, they were listening to Elvis.

Kids in Europe were bopping to the Beatles when they came out. Again, why is British and American music so superior? Why does the whole world want to listen to it as opposed to, say, Chinese or Saudi Arabian music?
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"I believe the blues is originally African not American or British - The blues led to to the delta "American" blues. Mixed with Jazz to become Rhythm and Blues. All these groups like the Rolling Stones etc copied people like Robert Johnson.

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"The origin of the term of was most likely derived from mysticism involving blue indigo, which was used by many West African cultures in death and mourning ceremonies where all the mourner's garments would have been dyed blue to indicate suffering. This mystical association towards the indigo plant, grown in many southern US slave plantations, combined with the West African slaves who sang of their suffering as they worked on the cotton that the indigo dyed eventually resulted in these expressed songs being known as "the Blues."
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That's exactly the point. Every Tom, Dick and Harry in the world was listening to that stuff when it came out.

People in China weren't listening to Lee Ho Fook's doo wop band. Indians weren't listening to the Govindishas, they were listening to Elvis.

Kids in Europe were bopping to the Beatles when they came out. Again, why is British and American music so superior? Why does the whole world want to listen to it as opposed to, say, Chinese or Saudi Arabian music?
I thought Lee Ho Fook's was restaurant:confused:

Go see what the most popular music in Japan is.
Russia?
Europe?
It's rock-roll. And the bands are all modeling themselves after US rock-n-roll.
Including the Brits.

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Leave us not forget the forefathers of Rock-n-roll;
Carl Perkins
Elvis
Jerry Lee
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The Beatles modeled themselves after Buddy Holle and The Crickets, ( hence The Beatles, couple of 'insect' bands.:rolleyes
And the Stones were strongly influenced by US rhythm and blues.
Yes, America is also home of the blues.
Many British bands are influenced by the early blues players.

The real thing about music is good music (and I can name plenty that in my opinion is crap,not good) is universal.

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Look at the roots. American and British music are a European creation. European influence has dominated the world in many, many respects for, what? Nearly 2000 years.

That's changing though. This is a pivotal time. White European culture is fading while others are becoming dominant. The change of the guard.
Ok....
Gospel, Jazz, Blues, Rock-n-roll, the most influential music of the last 100 years have absolutely no influence from or connection to anything created in Europe over the last 2000 years.

No doubt some of the best and most timeless music ever was composed during the
renaissance. Perhaps the greatest musical geniuses ever were composing during that era.
However, there is little connection to that and modern era music.
I would liken Lennon and McCartney to those composers. Forward thinking. leading the way into an entire new era of musical creativity.
But, where did their influence originate?
Carl Perkins;
Who was influenced by Gospel and Blues as was Jerry Lee and Elvis.
Who in turn, influenced EVERYONE who followed in their footsteps.

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"I believe the blues is originally African not American or British - The blues led to to the delta "American" blues. Mixed with Jazz to become Rhythm and Blues. All these groups like the Rolling Stones etc copied people like Robert Johnson.

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"The origin of the term of was most likely derived from mysticism involving blue indigo, which was used by many West African cultures in death and mourning ceremonies where all the mourner's garments would have been dyed blue to indicate suffering. This mystical association towards the indigo plant, grown in many southern US slave plantations, combined with the West African slaves who sang of their suffering as they worked on the cotton that the indigo dyed eventually resulted in these expressed songs being known as "the Blues."
I disgree. Blues legend Buddy Guy took a tour of Africa looking for the origin of the blues. He didn't find anything he'd call the blues and was dissapointed that blues wasn't African.

The blues was influenced in the 1800's by Irish spirituals such as Swing Low Sweet Chariot and Amazing Grace. These songs evolved into a "call and shout" style with a distinct rythm.

Black slaves used these cadences and rythms while working in the fields so they would all work at the same pace, helping prevent some from getting beaten for working "too slow".

As slavery ended, many blues songs weren't about sorrow but rather to cure the blues by dancing and just having fun. They would "rock" and they would "roll" to the beat, both blues terms, and just have a good time at the local juke joint, escaping their "blues" for a time.

Later, Americans invented and made popular electric guitars, arguably the most expressive and versatile of all the instraments.

Add the sound of the electric guitar to the beat and rythyms of the blues meant to get your body moving and you have fun music that was created just for having fun and for the first time in history there was music perfect for stomping your feet and dancing without any formal training.

American racism played a big part in the popularity of the "invasion" UK bands. Many American kids weren't allowed to listen to music played by blacks, but it was OK to hear white kids from the UK play Howlin' Wolf and Chuck Berry songs.

IMO, it was the invention of fun music and electric guitar, plus the UK kids willingness to play songs by American black artists and put their own twist on the music is why the USA and UK have the most popular artists. Ever tried to do the Twist to Indian sitar music?

IOW, American rock and roll is physical music.

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I disgree. Blues legend Buddy Guy took a tour of Africa looking for the origin of the blues. He didn't find anything he'd call the blues and was dissapointed that blues wasn't African.

The blues was influenced in the 1800's by Irish spirituals such as Swing Low Sweet Chariot and Amazing Grace. These songs evolved into a "call and shout" style with a distinct rythm.

Black slaves used these cadences and rythms while working in the fields so they would all work at the same pace, helping prevent some from getting beaten for working "too slow".

As slavery ended, many blues songs weren't about sorrow but rather to cure the blues by dancing and just having fun. They would "rock" and they would "roll" to the beat, both blues terms, and just have a good time at the local juke joint, escaping their "blues" for a time.

Later, Americans invented and made popular electric guitars, arguably the most expressive and versatile of all the instraments.

Add the sound of the electric guitar to the beat and rythyms of the blues meant to get your body moving and you have fun music that was created just for having fun and for the first time in history there was music perfect for stomping your feet and dancing without any formal training.

American racism played a big part in the popularity of the "invasion" UK bands. Many American kids weren't allowed to listen to music played by blacks, but it was OK to hear white kids from the UK play Howlin' Wolf and Chuck Berry songs.

IMO, it was the invention of fun music and electric guitar, plus the UK kids willingness to play songs by American black artists and put their own twist on the music is why the USA and UK have the most popular artists. Ever tried to do the Twist to Indian sitar music?

IOW, American rock and roll is physical music.
Should have known you'd chime in with, perhaps, the best explanation.

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I disgree. Blues legend Buddy Guy took a tour of Africa looking for the origin of the blues. He didn't find anything he'd call the blues and was dissapointed that blues wasn't African.

The blues was influenced in the 1800's by Irish spirituals such as Swing Low Sweet Chariot and Amazing Grace. These songs evolved into a "call and shout" style with a distinct rythm.

Black slaves used these cadences and rythms while working in the fields so they would all work at the same pace, helping prevent some from getting beaten for working "too slow".

As slavery ended, many blues songs weren't about sorrow but rather to cure the blues by dancing and just having fun. They would "rock" and they would "roll" to the beat, both blues terms, and just have a good time at the local juke joint, escaping their "blues" for a time.

Later, Americans invented and made popular electric guitars, arguably the most expressive and versatile of all the instraments.

Add the sound of the electric guitar to the beat and rythyms of the blues meant to get your body moving and you have fun music that was created just for having fun and for the first time in history there was music perfect for stomping your feet and dancing without any formal training.

American racism played a big part in the popularity of the "invasion" UK bands. Many American kids weren't allowed to listen to music played by blacks, but it was OK to hear white kids from the UK play Howlin' Wolf and Chuck Berry songs.

IMO, it was the invention of fun music and electric guitar, plus the UK kids willingness to play songs by American black artists and put their own twist on the music is why the USA and UK have the most popular artists. Ever tried to do the Twist to Indian sitar music?

IOW, American rock and roll is physical music.
You look this shit up, don't you?

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All of that was off the top of my head. It's been a few decades, but I used to read alot about blues history.

The electric guitar part and the physical music idea are my own opinions.

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Gospel, Jazz, Blues, Rock-n-roll, the most influential music of the last 100 years have absolutely no influence from or connection to anything created in Europe over the last 2000 years.
Really? They were created by people living in a country settled by Europeans. The Blues came about from slave campfire gatherings. Who enslaved those poor people? White Europeans. Same for the roots of Rock. Gospel too. Every one you mentioned was born in an environment created by European influence.

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I disgree. Blues legend Buddy Guy took a tour of Africa looking for the origin of the blues. He didn't find anything he'd call the blues and was dissapointed that blues wasn't African.

The blues was influenced in the 1800's by Irish spirituals such as Swing Low Sweet Chariot and Amazing Grace. These songs evolved into a "call and shout" style with a distinct rythm.

Black slaves used these cadences and rythms while working in the fields so they would all work at the same pace, helping prevent some from getting beaten for working "too slow".

As slavery ended, many blues songs weren't about sorrow but rather to cure the blues by dancing and just having fun. They would "rock" and they would "roll" to the beat, both blues terms, and just have a good time at the local juke joint, escaping their "blues" for a time.

Later, Americans invented and made popular electric guitars, arguably the most expressive and versatile of all the instraments.

Add the sound of the electric guitar to the beat and rythyms of the blues meant to get your body moving and you have fun music that was created just for having fun and for the first time in history there was music perfect for stomping your feet and dancing without any formal training.

American racism played a big part in the popularity of the "invasion" UK bands. Many American kids weren't allowed to listen to music played by blacks, but it was OK to hear white kids from the UK play Howlin' Wolf and Chuck Berry songs.

IMO, it was the invention of fun music and electric guitar, plus the UK kids willingness to play songs by American black artists and put their own twist on the music is why the USA and UK have the most popular artists. Ever tried to do the Twist to Indian sitar music?

IOW, American rock and roll is physical music.
Interesting point about Irish spiritual! But without black Africa slavery I don't think there would have been any blues in America. The OT was about why does Europe and america have all the best music, but I think american music is so heavily intertwined with and influenced by black African immigrants/slaves that some of the credit must go there too! Sure everything evolved and the music was made more palatable to the popular taste and made cool and that's great.

Buddy Guy must have met Ali Farka Toure the blues player, when he went to Africa.
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America was, and still is, rightfully known as the melting pot of the world. Blues, Jazz and Rock come from this melting pot. Blues didn't originate in Africa but African Americans created blues, along with Jazz and Rock, by combining parts of European and African culture.

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Interesting point about Irish spiritual! But without black Africa slavery I don't think there would have been any blues in America. The OT was about why does Europe and america have all the best music, but I think american music is so heavily intertwined with and influenced by black African immigrants/slaves that some of the credit must go there too! Sure everything evolved and the music was made more palatable to the popular taste and made cool and that's great.

Buddy Guy must have met Ali Farka Toure the blues player, when he went to Africa.
I thought I gave alot of credit to American slave from African decent? I just don't think the music came from Africa, but instead developed in American by black slaves that had other influences, such as Irish spirituals.

IMO, and the opinion of many, all American music descends from the blues, which was first acknowledged coming to life in about 1870. Gospel, rag (which became jazz), hillbilly (which became C/W, bluegrass, etc) all evolved from Blues.

We can also give credit to the Catholics of New Orleans. Catholics believed that the slaves had a soul, unlike their counter parts of the era. Because of this, Catholics gave their slaves Sundays off, whereas every other area in the South had slaves work 7 days a week.

And because they got Sundays off, slaves in the New Orleans area would gather every Sunday for 350 years and play their drums in an area that became known as "Congo Square".


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I thought I gave alot of credit to American slave from African decent?
Yes I know you did! I was talking about the OT, I just felt there was hint of self aggrandizement about it which was a bit grating. The history of the blues is complex and not uncontroversial and you know more about it than I do and have some great insights into it! The fusion of different musical forms is one of the great things about America.
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Personally even though I am biased, I believe the UK destroys the US in terms of credible talent in the music department.

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Wikipedia has a pretty good article about the origins of the Blues:

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Blues has evolved from the unaccompanied vocal music and oral traditions of slaves imported from West Africa and rural blacks into a wide variety of styles and subgenres, with regional variations across the United States. Though blues, as it is now known, can be seen as a musical style based on both European harmonic structure and the African call-and-response tradition, transformed into an interplay of voice and guitar,[48][49] the blues form itself bears no resemblance to the melodic styles of the West African griots, and the influences are faint and tenuous.[50][51]

In particular, no specific African musical form can be identified as the single direct ancestor of the blues.[52] However many blues elements, such as the call-and-response format and the use of blue notes, can be traced back to the music of Africa. That blue notes pre-date their use in blues and have an African origin is attested by English composer Samuel Coleridge-Taylor's "A Negro Love Song", from his The African Suite for Piano composed in 1898, which contains blue third and seventh notes.[53]

The Diddley bow (a homemade one-stringed instrument found in parts of the American South in the early twentieth century) and the banjo are African-derived instruments that may have helped in the transfer of African performance techniques into the early blues instrumental vocabulary.[54] The banjo seems to be directly imported from western African music. It is similar to the musical instrument that griots and other Africans such as the Igbo[55] played (called halam or akonting by African peoples such as the Wolof, Fula and Mandinka).[56] However, in the 1920s, when country blues began to be recorded, the use of the banjo in blues music was quite marginal and limited to individuals such as Papa Charlie Jackson and later Gus Cannon.[57]

Blues music also adopted elements from the "Ethiopian airs", minstrel shows and Negro spirituals, including instrumental and harmonic accompaniment.[58] The style also was closely related to ragtime, which developed at about the same time, though the blues better preserved "the original melodic patterns of African music."....[59]

The origins of the blues are closely related to the religious music of the Afro-American community, the spirituals. The origins of spirituals go back much further than the blues, usually dating back to the middle of the 18th century, when the slaves were Christianized and began to sing and play Christian hymns, in particular those of Isaac Watts, which were very popular.[63] Before the blues gained its formal definition in terms of chord progressions, it was defined as the secular counterpart of the spirituals. It was the low-down music played by the rural Blacks.[64]


Depending on the religious community a musician belonged to, it was more or less considered as a sin to play this low-down music: blues was the devil's music. Musicians were therefore segregated into two categories: gospel and blues singers, guitar preachers and songsters. However, at the time rural Black music began to get recorded in the 1920s, both categories of musicians used very similar techniques: call-and-response patterns, blue notes, and slide guitars. Gospel music was nevertheless using musical forms that were compatible with Christian hymns and therefore less marked by the blues form than its secular counterpart.[64]
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Really? They were created by people living in a country settled by Europeans. The Blues came about from slave campfire gatherings. Who enslaved those poor people? White Europeans. Same for the roots of Rock. Gospel too. Every one you mentioned was born in an environment created by European influence.
OK....
you're right.
EVERYTHING can be traced back to Adam and Eve.

White Europeans did not enslave those poor people.
Other African tribes enslaved those poor people and sold them to the Europeans.

But that's an entirely different story.
Simply because our ancesters came from Europe has absolutely no baring on what followed.
Europeans had little influence on what would become the Gospel music that was originated by black slaves in the US.
Show me the connection of Europe to Jazz, Blues, or any other US born music.

Don't know why, but, you're grasping at straws to give credit to Europe where no credit is due.

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My thoughts are that I personally don't care where the good artists originated or what influenced the music they make. If it is good, it is good. If it is good, I listen to it.

That being said, I have to agree with Bravo that music from the US and the UK is superior.

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That's just not true. It's a combination of cultures but most contemporary American music, and then British music, came from the artistic creations of African Americans.
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...an area that became known as "Congo Square".

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One of my favorite Mayall songs from one of my favorite Mayall albums.
To make it even better (for those that don't know) Sonny Landreth, who wrote Congo Square, plays guitar on Mayall's version. It's a truly great song that pays tribute to an important but little-known part of American history.

And John Mayall is a great example that you don't have to be American to play American music very well. Just like you don't have to be Italian to sign opera or European to play classical music.

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Sure, there are a few German bands, Spliff, CAN etc. Dutch bands, Bloef, Doe Maar, Golden Earring etc.

But why is British and American music so overwhelmingly superior? Is it the language, the culture? Why hasn't China or India got spectacular artists such as <snip>
We got great artists too... You've never heard of them because you don't understand the language. Here are some -

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And they compose/sing in Hindi. There are many big artists from other regional languages.

Our musicians don't do concerts, only recordings (and 99% of them for movies). They practice all day. So, although the lyrics may not be that good, your artists stand no chance against ours when it comes to vocals!

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We got great artists too... You've never heard of them because you don't understand the language. Here are some -

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And they compose/sing in Hindi. There are many big artists from other regional languages.

Our musicians don't do concerts only recordings (and 99% of them for movies). They practice all day. So, although the lyrics may not be that good, your artists stand no chance against ours when it comes to vocals!
You forgot a couple
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And the person who I think played a large role in bringing the Tabla to a world audience.
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Most likely people from the US and UK (and English speaking countries in general) are more familiar with English and American artists. The marketplace is also dominated by English speaking companies.

That's like asking, "Why do Americans make the best movies?" That perception exists because Hollywood is the center of the global film industry, so movies made elsewhere get less attention.

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America was, and still is, rightfully known as the melting pot of the world.
Do you seriously believe this Tim?

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Sure. Why do you have a problem with that term Mark?
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The only unbiased way to judge music is from nature.

The closer music is to the songs of the birds then the
purer the music.

Who taught the birds to sing?

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U.S and Europe got to dominate for these simple fact that are still very much in existence:

1. Culture
2. Language/accent
3. Professionalism

Anyway, PSY did great from Korea and JeeYo (ME) coming out real soon from Naija..

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Would anybody outside of India know who Ravi Shankar was if not for The Beatles?

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What are you implying? That the U.S is not a melting pot of people and cultures?

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Would anybody outside of India know who Ravi Shankar was if not for The Beatles?
I doubt it
But back in the old days that's how many where introduced to Eastern and African music and musicians.
I learned about African rhythms and musicians from listening to Ginger Baker For example Fela Kuti

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so the million dollar remains

which is the greatest, american or british?

i vote for the poms
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When Paul Simon came back from Africa and recorded Graceland, many well know black musicians, (mostly rappers. Which really doesn't qualify as music), were pissed because he 'stole' their music.


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so the million dollar remains

which is the greatest, american or british?

i vote for the poms
I would have to say, I love both equally.
Couldn't imagine never listening to Jimi, Stevie Ray, Zappa, Beefheart, Waites again.

Never listening to the Clash, The Beatles, Led Zep, The Specials, The Smiths, Floyd, Jeff Beck would be equally tough.

That's like asking: Would you rather loose your eyes or your ears?
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easy for me, miss flamin' groovies, ramones, harry chapin, turtles, sure, but could not imagine a life without oasis, here they come again

even The Beatles, although i am told i think they suck as well, or, at least, are old and out-dated and "that European guy that died of a drug overdose", although i tend to listen to george more
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I don't recall that happening. I know Los Lobos accused him of stealing one song. Don't recall any well known black musicians saying he stole their music. By the way, I'm not a big time fan of rap but it is as much music as rock, which I am not a huge fan of either.
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