What was the original source of power from which the entire universe began?

11 years ago

The theory I support after countless hours with NatGeo and Discovery is that the Big Bang, which formed time and space for 13,7 billion years ago, occurred when the natural force of physics the 'Gravitational Force' broke lose from the other three natural forces which is the Electromagnetic Force, the Weak Nuclear Force and the Strong Nuclear Force. Before the Big Bang itself, these four natural forces of physics existed intertwined in a space that were smaller than an atom. Actually it was so small that it makes no sense to measure it (smaller than a planck length which is equal to 1.616199(97)�--10−35 metres).

You can use this simulator to get an impression on how small that actually is: Scale of the Universe 2

It's funny to see that people still believe in a 2000 year old fairytale. :rolleyes:

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JustVisiting

11 years ago

Originally Posted by taskemann

Before the Big Bang itself, these four natural forces of physics existed in a space that were smaller than an atom. Actually it was so small that it makes no sense to measure it (smaller than a planck length which is equal to 1.616199(97)�--10−35 metres).

But where did these originate from? These 4 forces just popped into existence?

Originally Posted by taskemann

It's funny to see that people still believe in a 2000 year old fairytale.

sshhh...! You and I know that but it upsets so many people if you challenge their beliefs with scientific facts.

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taskemann

11 years ago

Originally Posted by JustVisiting

But where did these originate from? These 4 forces just popped into existence?

They've always existed.

For us humans it's hard to belive that something always have existed because we relay on something that's called 'time' where things live and die. But in the world of physics, things can exist in the eternity. Actually, time is something we humans have invented even if I say that Big Bang started time and space because the universe can exist forever too, or it can stop to expand and reverse the expansion so the universe gets compressed into an infinite tiny point again so the Big Bang gets repeatet and this process can happen over and over again in the eternity.

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JustVisiting

11 years ago

Originally Posted by taskemann

They've always existed.

That's not logical. You can't create something out of nothing. That would be against the Laws of Physics.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by JustVisiting

That's not logical. You can't create something out of nothing. That would be against the Laws of Physics.

Infinity pre-emts the idea of "creation" at all. It just means that it's ALWAYS been like that. WE cannot create something out of nothing, and we cannot fathom the idea of infinity to the left of our point on a line (past), even if we can accept it to the right (future) - which is where religion starts - we are here, and will always be here, but stuff had to happen before us to get us here? That doesn't make LOGICAL sense that infinity only happens in one direction.

Originally Posted by taskemann

They've always existed.

For us humans it's hard to belive that something always have existed because we relay on something that's called 'time' where things live and die. But in the world of physics, things can exist in the eternity. Actually, time is something we humans have invented even if I say that Big Bang started time and space because the universe can exist forever too, or it can stop to expand and reverse the expansion so the universe gets compressed into an infinite tiny point again so the Big Bang gets repeatet and this process can happen over and over again in the eternity.

That's the cyclical universe theory. Seems just as plausible as any other theory.

As far as God - my idea of god is that there is a "hub" energy. We either connect with that energy (attract positive energy = "good") or we don't and attract only negative energy (bad). I feel that the hub energy amasses "intellect" just as we do. I feel that all energy absorbs data from that which it comes in contact with. That is why people become "godlike" after death maybe. I do not feel there is an interested God though. The hub energy source is disinterested - we connect with it through our energy vibrations and if we are on the right vibration we can connect with it. I've always thought that the more experiences and knowledge you open yourself to the more concentrated your vibrational (energy) force and the more you connect with the hub energy, while those who are lazy and never do or try anything new are just kinda disconnected on the next plane, too.

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GT

11 years ago

The original article being highlighted in this topic thread states:

Leaving theological arguments out of the equation, leaving religious interpretation out of the math, what is God exactly?

Warrior Forum rules also state that "religious" themes are not permitted here.

So ... I will refer to the most widely known and factual historical reference book in existence - the Christian Bible.

Technically speaking, if you follow the generations in the Bible back through history, you discover that a great, cataclysmic global flood occurred about 4,500 years ago (this flood is responsible for much of the fossil record as we know it today), and if you follow the generations further back from there, mankind goes back to somewhere between 6,000 to 7,000 years.

Greater numbers of scientists are coming to the realization, through careful scientific research of known scientifically verifiable facts, that the Bible, as a historical reference book, is accurate.

More verifiable scientific evidence is coming to light regularly that supports a "young earth" (as indicated by the Bible). In contrast, there is NO verifiable evidence to support the belief system known as "evolution" and, in fact, the more that scientists come to understand the natural world around us, through legitimate scientific study, the less support there is for evolution.

That's my opinion based on recent reading on the above topics.

Also, I agree with WF member JustVisiting: In our natural world (the physical realm), the laws pf physics dictate that something cannot be created from nothing. To do that would be miraculous ... and to suggest something miraculous would lead into a subject that is not allowed in the Warrior Forum.

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dreamogul 11 years ago

we are all living in a computer program that is the matrix!

http://www.infowars.com/shock-study-suggests-were-living-in-the-matrix/ <----real interesting
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Jack Gordon

11 years ago

Originally Posted by GT

The original article being highlighted in this topic thread states:

Warrior Forum rules also state that "religious" themes are not permitted here.

So ... I will refer to the most widely known and factual historical reference book in existence - the Christian Bible.

Technically speaking, if you follow the generations in the Bible back through history, you discover that a great, cataclysmic global flood occurred about 4,500 years ago (this flood is responsible for much of the fossil record as we know it today), and if you follow the generations further back from there, mankind goes back to somewhere between 6,000 to 7,000 years.

Greater numbers of scientists are coming to the realization, through careful scientific research of known scientifically verifiable facts, that the Bible, as a historical reference book, is accurate.

More verifiable scientific evidence is coming to light regularly that supports a "young earth" (as indicated by the Bible). In contrast, there is NO verifiable evidence to support the belief system known as "evolution" and, in fact, the more that scientists come to understand the natural world around us, through legitimate scientific study, the less support there is for evolution.

That's my opinion based on recent reading on the above topics.

Also, I agree with WF member JustVisiting: In our natural world (the physical realm), the laws pf physics dictate that something cannot be created from nothing. To do that would be miraculous ... and to suggest something miraculous would lead into a subject that is not allowed in the Warrior Forum.

GT

Technically speaking, if you are aiming to justify your religious belief no matter the facts, you call tell any story you want and make it sound believable.

This thread is silly.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

And here we go. :rolleyes:

I knew it wouldn't be long until someone ridiculed someone else's view.

Let me just quote a sticky for you:

Sorry folks but enough is enough. We are called the Warriors, yes, but we don't have forum section that cause members to go to war with each other and begin to hate each other.

From this point on Religious & Political not allowed and posting them will get you banned for a while and then for good if it continues.

Take your hatred for the US, UK, Australia, China, Christmas...etc somewhere else. Not here.

My side note: Everyone knows where Christmas originates from, so in essence it also says take your hatred of "God" somewhere else. Again, this is my interpretation or spin on it if you will.

I don't see this thread ending well. I don't know why we can't discuss these things rationally, leaving out dissing and ridicule. :confused:

Terra

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Joe Mobley

11 years ago

Miss Terra you know I love you more than grits, but why can't we discuss these things rationally, leaving out religious posts?

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I don't know why we can't discuss these things rationally, leaving out dissing and ridicule. :confused:

Terra

Bold is mine.

By the way, many of us non-believers love Christmas. Fun times. Happy times. Gifts. It's a wonderful life. What's not to love? The things that we are not in to, we just tune out.

I hope you and yours had an enjoyable Easter.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

Miss Terra you know I love you more than grits, but why can't we discuss these things rationally, leaving out religious posts?

Bold is mine.

By the way, many of us non-believers love Christmas. Fun times. Happy times. Gifts. It's a wonderful life. What's not to love? The things that we are not in to, we just tune out.

I hope you and yours had an enjoyable Easter.

Joe Mobley

LOL Joe!

I feel so special...you love me more than grits! By the way, do you know I hate grits?

Anyway, that was my interpretation of the word Christmas in the sticky. Since the sticky was regarding politics and religion, I came to that conclusion but I could be wrong.

Are you saying you don't believe in Santa Claus?

Haha!

I don't dis or ridicule anyone's religious beliefs in the least. I always say everyone has free choice to believe whatsoever they will. I disagree with some people's beliefs but would never ever ridicule them for it and hope that people would be mature enough not to ridicule me for mine. It goes back to free will to choose.

As a matter of fact, I don't even like the word "religious", wait, I abhor it actually. I prefer the word spirituality. Some don't see the difference, but I certainly do.

I hope your Easter was just as awesome!

Terra

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hardraysnight 11 years ago

is the answer eveready?
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Joe Mobley 11 years ago

Originally Posted by GT

Warrior Forum rules also state that "religious" themes are not permitted here.

And yet you go ahead and make a religious post.

Originally Posted by GT

So ... I will refer to the most widely known and factual historical reference book in existence - the Christian Bible.

Thanks for the good laugh.

If you know of a forum where this can be discussed, I will be glad to answer your post with facts, logic, evidence, reason, truth, etc.

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Jack Gordon

11 years ago

The honest answer is that nobody has any idea what was there before the big bang.

One interesting theory I believe came from Stephen Hawking is that our history may consist of several expansions (big bangs) and contractions (everything collapsing back to microscopic size).

Each contraction destroys the universe as we know it, and each big bang restarts everything from scratch, possibly even with different laws of physics.

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Jgowen77

11 years ago

Who knows? I use to chase the meaning of life and where did we come from and all that. Its all very interesting, and if I'm supposed to find that out I will someday. Until then, I have bigger concerns, like raising my family.

I belong to another forum that I've been in for 11 years and have 20,000 posts in. Religion is always a controversial subject and the topic has been banned on several occasions. Religious arguments are such a waste of time. Just live each day and follow the Golden Rule.

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Joe Mobley

11 years ago

Big Rob,

You're right, an interesting discussion.

I did leave a comment.

Joe Mobley

Originally Posted by Big Rob

There is an interesting discussion going on.

I have not commented on this yet, figured I would let the greater minds here have at it first....

Science Question - What IS God? | You Can Reach For The Stars

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HeySal

11 years ago

First off most of us would consider the origin of the universe a scientific question - some people feel it is a religious one.........but maybe should say so and leave it at that then? I maybe should have, too - but I believe in quantum physics and don't see that as "religion". It's all energy.

I can see from posts that people don't "get" that infinity will go both directions and not just one way. That's a pretty egocentric view of a concept like "infinity". Forever is forever and it always WAS.

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Big Rob

11 years ago

Alright, SLOW DOWN everyone... Read the article....

Direct quote from the Author-

The question posed as it was is merely to be viewed as a metaphor to more readily help other people understand that what is being talked about and questioned is, what is ultimate energy? Where did this original energy come from and what is this form of energy made from?
It’s a science question not a theological discussion my friend. We’re talking quantum physics here not religion.

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