Stephen Hawking = Humans extinct within 1000 years.....

11 years ago

BTW heysal. A whole sales pitch is put on opposible thumbs, but perhaps ALL primates have them and many are reasonably usable. As for intelligence some basic tests show that the average young of some primates are smarter than the average young of humans. But the idea of humans to make tools for killing, and then use them on mass to coerse other humans into doing the same to try to take over the planet is a UNIQUELY "HUMAN" thought. I am really at a loss to say what makes humans so great.

Some say:
LOVE
THOUGHT
MAKING TOOLS
IMAGINING THE FUTURE
EMOTIONS
LACK OF INSTINCT
CARING
OPPOSABLE THUMBS
WALKING UPRIGHT
PLANNING
COMMUNICATION
etc...

NONE is a valid reason.

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Thomas

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

As for intelligence some basic tests show that the average young of some primates are smarter than the average young of humans.

And, yet, humans are self-evidently more intelligent that every other life form on this planet. Even if other animals start off with similar, or even greater, intelligence than young humans, they (humans) overtake them very rapidly by they time they are about 5 years old... and, in fact, are completely out of sight within just a couple of years.

Point out any school child at random from anywhere on the planet... if you can produce an animal that is smarter than he/she is, I'll eat my (probably quite delicious) hat.

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LarryC

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

And, yet, humans are self-evidently more intelligent that every other life form on this planet. Even if other animals start off with similar, or even greater, intelligence that young humans, they (humans) overtake them very rapidly by they time they are about 5 years old.

Point out any school child at random from anywhere on the planet... if you can produce an animal that is smarter than he/she is, I'll eat my (probably quite delicious) hat.

Of course, we're measuring intelligence using our own tests. This could be considered a little biased.

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kenmichaels

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

Point out any school child at random from anywhere on the planet... if you can produce an animal that is smarter than he/she is, I'll eat my (probably quite delicious) hat.

not that long ago i watched a show on animal planet.

man o man i really wish i payed more attention so i could remember the name
and grab a youtube link ...

any way this primate ... in the blink of an eye ... literally
could recall extensive patterns and recreate them digitally.

they actually used human genius's and went head to head with ( her ?)

no human won. they tried several different "games" the primate
beat everyone .. over and over.

even games she was never introduced to before.

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LarryC

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

not that long ago i watched a show on animal planet.

man o man i really wish i payed more attention so i could remember the name
and grab a youtube link ...

any way this primate ... in the blink of an eye ... literally
could recall extensive patterns and recreate them digitally.

they actually used human genius's and went head to head with ( her ?)

no human won. they tried several different "games" the primate
beat everyone .. over and over.

even games she was never introduced to before.

This article might be referring to that:

Animal Intelligence Badly Underestimated | Stuff.co.nz

There are many ways in which animals' abilities far exceed that of humans. The navigational abilities of fish, birds and even many mammals, for example. Of course, most people will dismiss that as being mere instinct. That's what I mean by bias.

In terms of being content and in harmony with life, few humans can compete with animals. Again, this may not be the traditional definition of intelligence, but I'm not sure that this makes sense.

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jimbo13

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

not that long ago i watched a show on animal planet.

man o man i really wish i payed more attention so i could remember the name
and grab a youtube link ...

any way this primate ... in the blink of an eye ... literally
could recall extensive patterns and recreate them digitally.

they actually used human genius's and went head to head with ( her ?)

no human won. they tried several different "games" the primate
beat everyone .. over and over.

even games she was never introduced to before.

I think we have the same chimp in mind. I saw this on the news last year. Not sure if the BBC Iplayer will play for you in the US but the accompanying article will confirm if this is what you had in mind.

BBC Nature - Ape versus machine: Do primates enjoy computer games?

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mojojuju

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Extra Terrestrials don't bother with us because we are not an intelligent life form.

Perhaps it's because the extra terrestrials aren't intelligent life forms.

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ronrule

11 years ago

I think he is slipping in his old age. Our strength is in our ability to adapt. Even a catastrophic asteroid doesn't necessarily spell the end - as long as there is air and water, we will endure as a species. Those who depend on governments and charity will not survive, but those who know HOW to survive without the assistance of others will and the species will live on.

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Adam Hill

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

I think he is slipping in his old age. Our strength is in our ability to adapt. Even a catastrophic asteroid doesn't necessarily spell the end - as long as there is air and water, we will endure as a species. Those who depend on governments and charity will not survive, but those who know HOW to survive without the assistance of others will and the species will live on.

This is what he is talking about. He said without the funding for further space exploration then we would be extinct. We must use our ability to adapt and find a solution to this problem

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ronrule

11 years ago

If any animals would like to volunteer their tests I am sure we could try those. :rolleyes:

This thread - and the theory behind it - is dumb.

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LarryC

11 years ago

Maybe animals are too smart to waste their time with tests.

As far as the "extinct within 1,000 years" theory, I don't understand his way of thinking. I'd actually find it more plausible if he'd predicted extinction within 50 years. Who can predict what developments might occur over the next few centuries?

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Kurt

11 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

Maybe animals are too smart to waste their time with tests.

That must explain why I can fool a dog by faking throwing a tennis ball 20 times in a row.

As far as the "extinct within 1,000 years" theory, I don't understand his way of thinking. I'd actually find it more plausible if he'd predicted extinction within 50 years. Who can predict what developments might occur over the next few centuries?

50 years is within 1000 years, so if we were to be extinct in 50 years, Hawkings' prediction of "within 1000" years is still correct.

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LarryC

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

That must explain why I can fool a dog by faking throwing a tennis ball 20 times in a row.

50 years is within 1000 years, so if we were to be extinct in 50 years, Hawkings' prediction of "within 1000" years is still correct.

If you insist on being so literal. To me, when someone mentions a figure like 1,000 years, it seems to imply that it's not imminent. If a doctor tells me I have 6 months to live, I would get a little nervous (despite my basic distrust of doctors). If he tells me I have a condition that will probably kill me sometime in the next 100 years, I wouldn't worry so much. Predictions using such big numbers are all but meaningless.

I doubt if the human race will become extinct in the foreseeable future. A catastrophe that wipes out more than half of the population is a lot more plausible, but that's still a long way from extinction.

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Kay King 11 years ago

Then again - if someone predicts a time frame long enough, there's a better chance he might be right...and who will remember anyway?

That must explain why I can fool a dog by faking throwing a tennis ball 20 times in a row.

Fool him? He loves to fetch but it's difficult to train a human to keep throwing...you're a good human.
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  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  Fool him? He loves to fetch but it's difficult to train a human to keep throwing...you're a good human.
  
  I didn't keep throwing. I faked throwing, remember?
  
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tagiscom

11 years ago

and we need to explore space to find somewhere else to carry on the species. I know a lot of you don't like this source - but this is about Hawking's words, not the messenger.

Hawking: Mankind Has 1,000 Years to "Escape" Earth - | Intellihub.com

If you really don't understand all the aspects of an extinction - you should study up on them. Because we've just been told we are over the edge we balanced on for about a decade. Humans didn't escape being part of one. Oops. Screwed up this time, didn't we?

Extra Terrestrials don't bother with us because we are not an intelligent life form. We're just the only life form on the planet that had the opposable thumbs to screw it up as bad as we did. ET is more likely to want to talk to a dolphin over a human. Well, that's not true. We have nukes and spaceships, so they're gonna wanna talk to at least a few of us.

1000 years, groan, sounds like he is releasing a new book!

And l have read one of his books, "Brief history in time.

But, yeah, extraterrestrials see us as a tribal race; so mixing atomic weapons with tribalism, is sure to go downhill eventually.

Or a scenario where someone, pushes the rules to get more, whatever or look good, and launches an atomic device at the US, thinking there is no way they will retaliate, as it will most likely spark it all off.

Then the American President launches the lot, as he has no choice, blah, blah, blah.

With this way of thinking and world structure, we only need one crackpot leader, to set the lot off, but from l have heard they are on our planet and won't allow world war 3 to happen, as their way of thinking is very different to our leaders way of thinking; or they don't think in constrained ways.

We may use flags and other stuff to help in justifying our actions, but the bottom line is stupidity on a large scale!

I hope that they are hanging around, we may need their help!

Shane

PS it could also explain why the US, is keeping certain things secret, let the world know about anti gravity for example, and a crackpot leader may use it as a way of gaining a winning edge militarily!

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Kurt

11 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

If you insist on being so literal. To me, when someone mentions a figure like 1,000 years, it seems to imply that it's not imminent. If a doctor tells me I have 6 months to live, I would get a little nervous (despite my basic distrust of doctors). If he tells me I have a condition that will probably kill me sometime in the next 100 years, I wouldn't worry so much. Predictions using such big numbers are all but meaningless.

I doubt if the human race will become extinct in the foreseeable future. A catastrophe that wipes out more than half of the population is a lot more plausible, but that's still a long way from extinction.

"Imminent" is relative. Considering the course of human history and evolution, 1000 years is "imminent". You relate Hawkings' point of view to your own, not to his. To a physicist, 1000 years probably seems like a very short period of time.

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Kay King 11 years ago

You have an optimistic dog - and you are a bad human:p
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Thomas 11 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

Of course, we're measuring intelligence using our own tests. This could be considered a little biased.

The day I mean a human that runs after a thrown stick, rolls in his own shite, licks his balls, and attacks his own reflection in a mirror... is the day I will concede that bias.
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ronrule

11 years ago

It's just kind of an asinine comment when you really break it down - I would expect better from someone with his reputation.

Remember after 9/11 when all of the flights were grounded, astronomers were "astounded" that they could see further into space with their telescopes? The environmentalist loonies jumped all over this, screaming about all of the pollution caused by planes and that just because we don't notice it's there doesn't mean it's there and blah blah blah...

The response was laughable for one simple reason: We've been "polluting the atmosphere" for a couple hundred years now, and in particular for DECADES with THOUSANDS of commercial flights DAILY - and just one day of all flights being grounded they can already SEE FURTHER INTO SPACE????? That means that there isn't jack squat we can do to this planet - it will always take care of itself.

Should we work toward maintaining a better balance with natural forces than we currently are? Absolutely - it just makes sense. But don't buy into the arrogance that we're somehow going to cause the destruction of the planet, and thus our own species as a result. The Earth will be here long after we will, and will still be inhabitable. If humanity ever becomes extinct, it won't be due to human-induced planetary events or a lack of natural resources - it will be by our own hand.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

It's just kind of an asinine comment when you really break it down - I would expect better from someone with his reputation.

Remember after 9/11 when all of the flights were grounded, astronomers were "astounded" that they could see further into space with their telescopes? The environmentalist loonies jumped all over this, screaming about all of the pollution caused by planes and that just because we don't notice it's there doesn't mean it's there and blah blah blah...

The response was laughable for one simple reason: We've been "polluting the atmosphere" for a couple hundred years now, and in particular for DECADES with THOUSANDS of commercial flights DAILY - and just one day of all flights being grounded they can already SEE FURTHER INTO SPACE????? That means that there isn't jack squat we can do to this planet - it will always take care of itself.

Should we work toward maintaining a better balance with natural forces than we currently are? Absolutely - it just makes sense. But don't buy into the arrogance that we're somehow going to cause the destruction of the planet, and thus our own species as a result. The Earth will be here long after we will, and will still be inhabitable. If humanity ever becomes extinct, it won't be due to human-induced planetary events or a lack of natural resources - it will be by our own hand.

au contraire - we are already inside of the extinction - and it IS human caused. We are desertificating land at the rate of millions of hectares a year. Monsanto and other GMO companies are being allowed full reign in some areas -- and it's already been shown that their products are killing bees (necessary) and microbes that build soil (no soil - no life). We are cutting forests at alarming rates - which changes the climates more than people want to even start to understand, and killing the diversity of life forms, which throws all ecosystems out of balance. We could grow hemp for many of the things we now use wood for and save our forests - but the big dogs want more money and power so won't allow it to happen. We could be using clean, renewable energy that would leave the planet unscathed - but the big dogs want more money and power so it's not happening. We've got so many poisons in our environment in the US that people are getting cancer at a rate close to 50% now. Potable water is becoming so scarce now we are going to start messing with desalination of the oceans, and who knows how long we can do that.

We've changed climate with the gulf oil spill because the water is now too heavy to flow correctly - and they are still (as of last fall anyway) spraying it with extremely toxic dispersants to try to get it moving again - yet getting it to move with the dispersant in it is deadly for marine life.

We are populated beyond carrying capacity, and there's no signs of that slowing down.

AND - we are coming out of the interglacial period == which is why Hawking gave us up to 1000 years. Until recently, that was the figure they thought represented the average amount of time for an ice age to set in after an inter-galacial period. They have found out since, that the climate can switch adequately in just one decade.

I'm a little bit surprised to see people slam Hawking for saying we've tanked ourselves just because they don't want to look at the science behind what is going on right now on our planet. It's not great news -- but we were warned about 40 years ago and humans are so incredibly self interested that nobody wanted to do what we needed to to stop the extinction. It was just something else to ignore while we had our large families, dropped trash all over the planet, ripped apart our forests, and dumped chemicals into everything and anything we could dump them into.

After studying the situation for 7 years now - I think 1000 years is a just an estimate that is easier for humans to deal with than -- hey, ya might be the last generation to live a full lifespan.

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Kay King

11 years ago

I've always believed our underestimation of animal intelligence is to our own failures, not the animals.

Maybe animals learn only the abilities that enrich and enhance their existence - while we learn far more than we ever need to know. Much of what we learn causes frustration, stress, anger and anxiety. Our pets avoid all that - regular food, water and a place to poop and they're happy every day.

Remember why a dog licks his balls - because HE can....

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I've always believed our underestimation of animal intelligence is to our own failures, not the animals.

Maybe animals learn only the abilities that enrich and enhance their existence - while we learn far more than we ever need to know. Much of what we learn causes frustration, stress, anger and anxiety. Our pets avoid all that - regular food, water and a place to poop and they're happy every day.

Remember why a dog licks his balls - because HE can....

In a way, WARS may have led to our "intelligence". THINK about it! humans way back when lived much as average animals today. Groups grew, much as some other animals today. Having a lack of comfort, and ability to defend/kill for food, etc... some had some talents to make up for that. Eventually, some decided to take the others almost like slaves. In MOST cases, they built a kingdom. EVENTUALLY, those became cities. They created a simple universal mechanism for trading. People started pooling their ideas and talents and that is why we have things like computers and cars today.

You could very possibly pick 1000 people out of a society at random, strand them, and find they have almost no real knowledge of most things they used and that they would be unable to create inventions even if given all the parts.

Animals are more like the amish. The amish ARE effectively REQUIRED to know nothing about any sort of manmade power, and anything derived from it. But they DO have a LOT of knowledge the average person today does NOT. But even the amish learned from the city they were in, and created cities of sorts.

Many people today lookout ONLY for themselves, while claiming others do the same. Farms are torn up, forests torn down, streams polluted, water poisoned, etc... HECK, look at the airports! People are paid to slow things down, steal, and expose people to radiation. SERIOUSLY, those are the only three things they ALL have in common. where do they stand with that proposal to allow knives again through security? They STILL hire felons! ALL that pollution, waste, etc.... I want to opt out of the "body scanners" because I do NOT want to be exposed to radiation. They have you wait in a specific spot on manufactured PRETENSE! WHERE? BETWEEN the scanner and Xray! I am toying with getting a geiger counter!

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travlinguy

11 years ago

Unlike the "end of the world" crowd, Hawking set a date he'll never have to prove. Everyone commenting on this thread will be "extinct" in 1000 years.

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11 years ago

We've come pretty far in our short existence, just imagine where we would be if we had 1 million more years to evolve. Odds are pretty darn good that there are species out there that have had that much time (although time is a linear dimension WE created, and we might be way off on our existence and the universe's at that). Like the other poster said, we are most likely nothing interesting to those species out there other than maybe a classroom science project for their kids lol.

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ronrule

11 years ago

Every man, woman, and child in the United States could own an acre of land in Texas alone. Overpopulation is a myth. You guys sound like a bunch of loons with these prophecies of environmental armageddon. Its a money grab created by corporations like G.E. and others with so-called "green" technology that nobody wants to buy, using their bought and paid for government contacts to enact legislation that forces people to buy their products. Dont fall for it.

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fin 11 years ago

He is technically right.

We're living on a dying planet, so we'll need to find a way off eventually.

Maybe 1000 years is a bit too soon.
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HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

Every man, woman, and child in the United States could own an acre of land in Texas alone. Overpopulation is a myth. You guys sound like a bunch of loons with these prophecies of environmental armageddon. Its a money grab created by corporations like G.E. and others with so-called "green" technology that nobody wants to buy, using their bought and paid for government contacts to enact legislation that forces people to buy their products. Dont fall for it.

Oh yeah. Everyone knows you can put an infinite number of people in a finite amount of space. Everyone knows we are so far enough above nature that we can destroy the whole lot of it and it's just fine and dandy. This is the reason I listen only to the scientists actually studying these issues instead of a bunch of people who have no concept of math OR earth sciences. Call me a loon - I'd rather be crazy than stupid.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

Every man, woman, and child in the United States could own an acre of land in Texas alone. Overpopulation is a myth. You guys sound like a bunch of loons with these prophecies of environmental armageddon. Its a money grab created by corporations like G.E. and others with so-called "green" technology that nobody wants to buy, using their bought and paid for government contacts to enact legislation that forces people to buy their products. Dont fall for it.

Ummm...The problem is arable land, you know, the kind of land that you can actually grow food on? Arable land makes up something like 5-10% of the land on the planet. You may want to drive through Texas before telling me about that land. I have a couple of times.

And people with your opinion about money-grubbing industries crack me up, as if Big Oil isn't the most profitable industry in the history of humans,the most subsidized form of energy in the US, and don't have any "bought and paid for" politicians. I'm sure the Koch Brothers love you.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

Every man, woman, and child in the United States could own an acre of land in Texas alone.

What a ridiculous argument. One quarter of the entire human race could have an acre of land just in Australia.

Large parts of Texas, like Australia, are uninhabitable. We know they are uninhabitable because no-one has ever chosen to live there (a vital clue).

How exactly would people survive with no water or arable ground to grow food on?

Perhaps you need to think about why people have always clustered around rivers, coasts and good crop growing soil in the first place.

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ronrule

11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

What a ridiculous argument. One quarter of the entire human race could have an acre of land just in Australia.

Large parts of Texas, like Australia, are uninhabitable. We know they are uninhabitable because no-one has ever chosen to live there (a vital clue).

How exactly would people survive with no water or arable ground to grow food on?

Perhaps you need to think about why people have always clustered around rivers, coasts and good crop growing soil in the first place.

Right, that's why no one lives in Las Vegas. Oh, wait... :rolleyes:

The only reason much of the land is undeveloped is because its privately owned and hasn't been developed. You can't just pick out a spot and start building... you have to own it first. Ever seen the oil pipeline maps of this country? You really think we couldn't do the same thing with water? Don't underestimate what we can achieve, or buy into the myth of overpopulation.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

Right, that's why no one lives in Las Vegas. Oh, wait... :rolleyes:

The only reason much of the land is undeveloped is because its privately owned and hasn't been developed. You can't just pick out a spot and start building... you have to own it first. Ever seen the oil pipeline maps of this country? You really think we couldn't do the same thing with water? Don't underestimate what we can achieve, or buy into the myth of overpopulation.

Let's say you can pipe all of the water you want anywhere you want. The problem is, if the water is poisoned, it won't do anyone a lick of good except to excel the population's demise.

Any living thing that is poisoned, kicks it when the poison reaches a certain level. Poisoning the earth is included in that. You might want to argue that the earth isn't living. Well, I don't want to get into that debate, but there is no denying that the earth yields that what is essential to living.

As long as we keep dumping toxins into our soils and air, it inevitably enters into the water. Poison the water and you poison the people via the water they drink and the produce they eat that were watered with the poison and the meat they eat via the water used to raise that livestock. Seafood, seaweed and fish from the waters carry that poison as well!

Hello? Poison kills!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

You might want to argue that the earth isn't living. Well, I don't want to get into that debate, but there is no denying that the earth yields that what is essential to living.

Terra

I'm glad you brought this up Terra because it's true, the earth is a conscious living entity. And it's aware of what's going on. And if we keep fouling it, mamma earth is going to shake us off like ungrateful little bugs.

There was a discussion here a few weeks ago about giants and other possible strains of humanity having inhabited the earth in days gone by. I believe there have been several other human cultures that evolved, messed up the earth and been all but wiped out as a result of the earth saying "fk this, you buttwipes are out of here." And it was all over in a catastrophic heartbeat. Perhaps there were a few survivors that carried the race forward to what we are today but that's another discussion.

And that's why I don't sweat any of this stuff. Because it's already covered by forces greater than the puppetmasters and myself or anyone alive. I'm no crusader but I do my part to keep things nice. The rest of it is out of my control. At this very moment there are a half dozen military planes painting the sky above me with chem trails. There was a beautiful sunny sky an hour ago and now it's cloudy with man made stuff of some kind. Only God knows what's up there making its way earthward now.

But I refuse to spend even a minute worrying about that or the fate of humanity or the fate of a planet that already has things well in hand. We're guests here and if we wear our welcome out again we're going to get tossed. Simple.

What are we supposed to do? The people controlling the planet want us to be afraid. Fear makes the masses easier to manage. Between the real crap that's truly a threat and the manufactured bullshit they're constantly shoveling it's hard to stay up on all of it.

So a long time ago I just dropped out and decided to live my life. But I'm a good doobie. I don't do anything to anyone (or anything, especially the earth) that I wouldn't want done to me. And I leave the fear-based crap alone.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

Every man, woman, and child in the United States could own an acre of land in Texas alone. Overpopulation is a myth. You guys sound like a bunch of loons with these prophecies of environmental armageddon. Its a money grab created by corporations like G.E. and others with so-called "green" technology that nobody wants to buy, using their bought and paid for government contacts to enact legislation that forces people to buy their products. Dont fall for it.

OK, ADMITTEDLY, if you base the sizes under length and width of texas, WHICH ARE OBVIOUSLY WRONG AS IT IS NOT A PERFECT RECTANGLE(Using wikipedias area calcs, the number is 167594544 which is ALREADY low!), you end up with 390828800 acres. OK....

HOW MUCH IS ROCK?
According to wikipedia, 9770720 acres is WATER!
HOW MUCH IS UNBUILDABLE?
WHAT do you do for SEWERS?
WHAT do you do for power/water?
HOW do you get to your property?
Everyone would be IMPOVERISHED!
HOW do you get air? You will have to destroy a LOT of forest!
WHAT do you do for FOOD?
Are you going to kill all the wildlife?

Now GRANTED, it is only one state! GRANTED a lot of states have FAR fewer people than others. But read between the lines! Realistically, we probably need OVER 5 acres per person! In several states, to have your OWN sewer and water, you need about 3 acres! 2 acres is supposed to be clear, which leaves less than 1 acre farm land. And if you want a ranch, FORGET IT! Using a SMALL area of a thriving city to figure available living are is #$%^&*! It just DOES NOT WORK, as I showed! You know what happens when you try? It HAS been tried in real life MANY TIMES! They have a name for the result! GHOST TOWN!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

Every man, woman, and child in the United States could own an acre of land in Texas alone.

Ahem, we like Texas the way it is thanks... :p

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Kay King

11 years ago

you can't upset the balance too far or you can't bring it back

Exactly. We hear people talk about "the tipping point" - but there are many tipping points and I think we've gone past some already. I think we'll exceed another one this year when the new NSA data center is operational.

We've abandoned the future of space exploration for a future of data mining.

NSA Utah Data Center

Surprise Visitors Are Unwelcome At The NSA's Unfinished Utah Spy Center (Especially When They Take Photos) - Forbes

When completed in Sept. 2013 it will house four 25,000 square foot halls of servers, among other things. Wired states that the cost for the project is estimated at $2 billion. Here's some of the data center's purpose:

Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails--parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital "pocket litter."

The tipping point where you can expect any semblance of privacy may be exceeded when that data center opens later this year.

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MikeAmbrosio

11 years ago

Well, that link - and the majority of the others I found - don't really delve in to what Hawking was saying on this too much. In fact, the story seems enthralled more with the fact that he is still alive at 71 with ALS.

Wow.

I did find a short video of him speaking and when asked if he thought there were other intelligent civilizations within the milky way he responded that he thought it likely that the closest intelligent civilizations were several hundred light years away, otherwise we would have "heard radio waves" (his words). He then says that the alternative is that civilizations don't last very long and destroy themselves.

So in essence, it's not humanity - this planet - he is referring to so much as any civilization.

I remember hearing the saying many years ago that when we are born, we start to die. I would think that's probably true of anything - the human race, the planet, and the universe. The only questions are when, and perhaps how.

I know it will be LONG after I'm dead

Stephen Hawking - The future of Humanity - YouTube

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11 years ago

It won't be the first time. Everything goes in cycles, including life on earth. When we all disappear, or most of us do, we'll start all over from scratch again.

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ronrule

11 years ago

I saw a commercial for the Samsung Galaxy Note where an Elephant used it and I know people who can't figure it out, therefore elephants > humans. :rolleyes:

Seriously guys, just quit while you're ahead...

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

I saw a commercial for the Samsung Galaxy Note where an Elephant used it and I know people who can't figure it out, therefore elephants > humans. :rolleyes:

Seriously guys, just quit while you're ahead...

No need to really. This is exactly what the OT forum is for

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11 years ago

It's 2013 ... we can grow anything anywhere with modern technology. There are tons of indoor gardens, hydroponics, etc. It's not an issue... or at least it doesn't have to be.

I don't recall mentioning being in support of "big oil" - personally I think they're all the problem. I'm just not naive like the greenies to say "GE = Good, Oil = Bad"... they both play the same games with our money. While the loons argue about crap like separation of church and state and gay marriage, what we can usually ALL agree on is separation of corporate and state ... but no one ever talks about that on the whole, they just say it about the companies they don't like.

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AprilCT

11 years ago

Hawking is brilliant in his own special way. That in no way gives any guarantee he is correct on everything he says, even if it's something within his field of expertise. Science has not yet gathered all the knowledge out there to learn.

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11 years ago

We've come pretty far in our short existence, just imagine where we would be if we had 1 million more years to evolve. Odds are pretty darn good that there are species out there that have had that much time (although time is a linear dimension WE created, and we might be way off on our existence and the universe's at that). Like the other poster said, we are most likely nothing interesting to those species out there other than maybe a classroom science project for their kids lol.

Yesh, aliens from what l have heard, or civilizations, tend to go to having access to advanced tech, that gives them unlimited power.

So they can terraform planets, distroy planets or move them around.

Then after that you have Q level, (Star Trek) where you have the power to do virtually anything!

Imagine that we were at those levels now, we wouldn't last long, not without a major shift in how we think!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yesh, aliens from what l have heard, or civilizations, tend to go to having access to advanced tech, that gives them unlimited power.

Where have you heard that from?

Are there actual experts in "Alien History" here on Earth?

Or are you anthropomorphising human traits onto "aliens"?

Surely alien civilisations will, start, evolve and devolve on a completely different path to that which humans have, given their different environments, and physical attributes.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Where have you heard that from?

Are there actual experts in "Alien History" here on Earth?

Or are you anthropomorphising human traits onto "aliens"?

Surely alien civilisations will, start, evolve and devolve on a completely different path to that which humans have, given their different environments, and physical attributes.

There's a couple of guys in the forum that are old enough to know the complete alien history - maybe we should find out if they are hiding any close encounters.

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whateverpedia 11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

There's a couple of guys in the forum that are old enough to know the complete alien history

I hope you weren't looking at me when you posted that. :p
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yesh, aliens from what l have heard, or civilizations, tend to go to having access to advanced tech, that gives them unlimited power.

So they can terraform planets, distroy planets or move them around.

Then after that you have Q level, (Star Trek) where you have the power to do virtually anything!

Imagine that we were at those levels now, we wouldn't last long, not without a major shift in how we think!

Shane

Yeah, I never said we would make it that far lol. If we did though, our advancements in space warp travel or any kind of travel would make our travel ideas of today look like the invention of the wheel or even more primitive.

With all the nut cases on this planet, along with the fact that most humans don't have the ability to think rationally and empathetically, we will be long dead most likely well before then, and probably within the 1k years that Hawking suggests.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yesh, aliens from what l have heard, or civilizations, tend to go to having access to advanced tech, that gives them unlimited power.

So they can terraform planets, distroy planets or move them around.

Then after that you have Q level, (Star Trek) where you have the power to do virtually anything!

Imagine that we were at those levels now, we wouldn't last long, not without a major shift in how we think!

Shane

ACTUALLY, we are STILL dealing with technology that is AT LEAST about 200 years old! We are HITTING LIMITS! The limits NEGATE the possibility of something like star trek. Start fantasizing after the NEXT wave, if there ever is one.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Where have you heard that from?

Are there actual experts in "Alien History" here on Earth?

Or are you anthropomorphising human traits onto "aliens"?

Surely alien civilisations will, start, evolve and devolve on a completely different path to that which humans have, given their different environments, and physical attributes.

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yesh, aliens from what l have heard, or civilizations, tend to go to having access to advanced tech, that gives them unlimited power.

So they can terraform planets, distroy planets or move them around.

Then after that you have Q level, (Star Trek) where you have the power to do virtually anything!

Imagine that we were at those levels now, we wouldn't last long, not without a major shift in how we think!

Shane

Shane,

Look at what I bolded from Alfred E.s post. That is probably the most accurate assessment of ALFs I have ever heard. That and what Dr. Neal Tyson said in this video, posted in this thread-> http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...g-thought.html..
No disrespect to your passionate belief of alien life, or the possibility of intelligent life on Mars. Consider what Tyson is saying in the Vid, and Whateverpedia said above. These both gave me perspective.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

It's 2013 ... we can grow anything anywhere with modern technology. There are tons of indoor gardens, hydroponics, etc. It's not an issue... or at least it doesn't have to be.

I don't recall mentioning being in support of "big oil" - personally I think they're all the problem. I'm just not naive like the greenies to say "GE = Good, Oil = Bad"... they both play the same games with our money. While the loons argue about crap like separation of church and state and gay marriage, what we can usually ALL agree on is separation of corporate and state ... but no one ever talks about that on the whole, they just say it about the companies they don't like.

******WRONG******* You STILL need things that can add to the problem. And HOW do you get them there and maintain them? Plants and animals have NEEDS! We can use some to fill others, and we can replace some, but we can NOT get rid of them!

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Walt Serdville

11 years ago

I personally believe that we will be extinct sometime.. maybe 500 years, maybe 1000.. but I really really don't care what happens after my lifetime, it's so irrelevant for me. And to spend time on focusing on irrelevant things.. is well a good waste of time and nerves.

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11 years ago

You can definitely lay water pipes underneath the ground.

I should know because I was an expert at SIM City when I was younger.

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Originally Posted by fin

You can definitely lay water pipes underneath the ground.

I should know because I was an expert at SIM City when I was younger.

Yeah, some people actually believe that. Pipes have to be laid carefully and judiciously. You can't lay them underneath already built homes, or just anywhere outside. I had a friend once on a crew that tried. Can you say SINK HOLE!?!?!?

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Originally Posted by fin

You can definitely lay water pipes underneath the ground.

I should know because I was an expert at SIM City when I was younger.

Have you had any experience with that experiment in using pipes to reverse desertificiation? If so, what stage is that in?
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  Originally Posted by HeySal
  
  Have you had any experience with that experiment in using pipes to reverse desertificiation? If so, what stage is that in?
  
  I used to cheat and enter the code that gave you unlimited money, so I could pretty much turn any desert land into a lush oasis.
  
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  Originally Posted by fin
  
  I used to cheat and enter the code that gave you unlimited money, so I could pretty much turn any desert land into a lush oasis.
  
  Um..........so am I right concluding from your answer that SIM City is a video game?
  
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  Um..........so am I right concluding from your answer that SIM City is a video game?
  
  YEP! I'm surprised you never saw the ads! SimCity Official Website
  
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  Have you had any experience with that experiment in using pipes to reverse desertificiation? If so, what stage is that in?
  
  Sim city was a game, to play at doing such things, so I think he was SARCASTIC.
  
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ronrule

11 years ago

And a desalinator / distiller can filter it all out. Much like with my example about air pollution, the earth always has a way of cleaning itself up. Until alien material starts entering our planet, everything we make can still be broken down to basic elements. Could human activity make a region temporarily uninhabitable? Sure... but permanently, or the whole planet? Not a chance. Look at a picture of the earth from space. The worst we could do wouldnt even be visible. You've been listening to corporate funded tree-hugging b.s. for too long.

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MissTerraK 11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

Much like with my example about air pollution, the earth always has a way of cleaning itself up.

Really? Then why is there still a huge whole in the ozone layer?

Originally Posted by ronrule

You've been listening to corporate funded tree-hugging b.s. for too long.

You're going to have to be a whole lot more powerful than Batman to get me to believe that malarkey! :rolleyes:

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

And a desalinator / distiller can filter it all out.

OBVIOUSLY, you haven't looked at them. There ARE limitations!

Much like with my example about air pollution, the earth always has a way of cleaning itself up. Until alien material starts entering our planet, everything we make can still be broken down to basic elements.

YEP! It is called EXTINCTION! OK, uranium fluoride! Yeah, you're RIGHT!

It will decompose to maybe:
oxygen. OK, good so far....
fluoride. OK, poison, but OK.
uranium oxide. Well, it IS radioactive.

EVENTUALLY, the fluoride may become the less stable fluorine which, when exposed to higher heat in the upper atmosphere becomes flouride. There is o3 that is GREAT for that! O3 is called OZONE!

Could human activity make a region temporarily uninhabitable? Sure... but permanently, or the whole planet? Not a chance. Look at a picture of the earth from space. The worst we could do wouldnt even be visible. You've been listening to corporate funded tree-hugging b.s. for too long.

That is SO wrong!

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MissTerraK 11 years ago

Thanks Travlinguy for voicing exactly what was running through my mind when I wrote what you quoted.

I couldn't agree more with you actually. The best I can do is my part to keep the earth, me and mine, and others around me safe.

I don't fret about it either as I know what the path is leading to and know when an avalanche starts when I am half way up or down the mountainside, I'm getting rolled and there's not a thing I can do to stop it.

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11 years ago

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Could human activity make a region temporarily uninhabitable? Sure... but permanently, or the whole planet? Not a chance. Look at a picture of the earth from space. The worst we could do wouldnt even be visible. You've been listening to corporate funded tree-hugging b.s. for too long.

Seems you could use to clean your own ears out a tad. MONSANTO and other GMO corps are making poisons that kill the microbes that make soil. Exactly how do you expect to feed 7 billion + people when arable soil is being depleted and there is no way to replenish it left? How do you expect our climate to remain habitable if we are cutting the forests responsible for it? Paint cities white? (don't laugh, some politically owned scientists actually suggested that one). How do you expect glaciers to rebuild snow when the forests underneath them that produced the moisture have been leveled.

What allowed us to breed to an over-carrying capacity level was the fact it got warm enough. Well, they still talk warming - but we're coming out of the inter-galacial period right now and that cold is going to kill off a LOT of people -- it only takes a night of unusually cold weather to kill a field of crops and it is getting colder. If you don't believe that one, quit listening to ANYONE and look at the records - go back to around 1995 and continue to 2013. We're going into a glacial period with over carrying capacity population, very little natural renewable energy in use, and GMO pesticides poisoning soil producing bacteria.

Any you think it's stupid to worry about that situation? (drool). Whatever.

Steve -- there's two forms of fluoride. Sodium flouride (industrial waste and extremely toxic - dumped in water supplies) and Magnesium fluoride - in mother's milk and actually necessary in small portions. Which are you talking about?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

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Seems you could use to clean your own ears out a tad. MONSANTO and other GMO corps are making poisons that kill the microbes that make soil. Exactly how do you expect to feed 7 billion + people when arable soil is being depleted and there is no way to replenish it left? How do you expect our climate to remain habitable if we are cutting the forests responsible for it? Paint cities white? (don't laugh, some politically owned scientists actually suggested that one). How do you expect glaciers to rebuild snow when the forests underneath them that produced the moisture have been leveled.

Well, he is claiming we don't need the soil. Never mind the need for water, etc...

Steve -- there's two forms of fluoride. Sodium flouride (industrial waste and extremely toxic - dumped in water supplies) and Magnesium fluoride - in mother's milk and actually necessary in small portions. Which are you talking about?

Well, I didn't want to complicate things TOO much, BUT....

Uranium tetrafluoride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was just the first good clear example I thought of that had two big problems.

GRANTED, they don't use it to treat water, but it isn't uncommon.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

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Seems you could use to clean your own ears out a tad. MONSANTO and other GMO corps are making poisons that kill the microbes that make soil. Exactly how do you expect to feed 7 billion + people when arable soil is being depleted and there is no way to replenish it left? How do you expect our climate to remain habitable if we are cutting the forests responsible for it? Paint cities white? (don't laugh, some politically owned scientists actually suggested that one). How do you expect glaciers to rebuild snow when the forests underneath them that produced the moisture have been leveled.

What allowed us to breed to an over-carrying capacity level was the fact it got warm enough. Well, they still talk warming - but we're coming out of the inter-galacial period right now and that cold is going to kill off a LOT of people -- it only takes a night of unusually cold weather to kill a field of crops and it is getting colder. If you don't believe that one, quit listening to ANYONE and look at the records - go back to around 1995 and continue to 2013. We're going into a glacial period with over carrying capacity population, very little natural renewable energy in use, and GMO pesticides poisoning soil producing bacteria.

Any you think it's stupid to worry about that situation? (drool). Whatever.

Steve -- there's two forms of fluoride. Sodium flouride (industrial waste and extremely toxic - dumped in water supplies) and Magnesium fluoride - in mother's milk and actually necessary in small portions. Which are you talking about?

As I said, I'm not saying nothing should be done to slow these things - I'm saying they won't lead to global extinction of the species. But hey, you guys want to keep drinking the environmental kool-aid, be my guest. Just at least be conscious of it ... the so-called "green" companies are doing just as much damage as the oil companies, just in different ways. It's all a big money grab.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

As I said, I'm not saying nothing should be done to slow these things - I'm saying they won't lead to global extinction of the species. But hey, you guys want to keep drinking the environmental kool-aid, be my guest. Just at least be conscious of it ... the so-called "green" companies are doing just as much damage as the oil companies, just in different ways. It's all a big money grab.

There are around 30,000 climatologists, geologist, etc that side with me on this one. And you have.....um......who exactly? Some politician or corp exec?

Maybe you'll understand the problem better when you understand a few little things such as if you are living on a municipal water supply in an area over around a half million people, you're drinking residual pharmaceuticals in your water. Hope they don't clash with whatever happy pills you are on -- too bad that marine life has a problem with them.

Maybe you don't understand the web of life in an ecosystem. Hey I know - lets go kill all the predators - and watch the prey overpopulate and wipe themselves off the map......and continue to think that doesn't happen at all levels when you cause an imbalance in the web.

Ya know something - I've heard people bleating in my face about tinfoil and kool-aide since I was in my twenties. So far the complete track record is when things finally are understood by the general public they whine about "wahhh......but nobody told us". If you want to see exactly who is drinking kool aid - then do as I suggested - quit reading government fed propaganda and go look the data up for yourself. If you get a look at actual recorded data and do some actual math instead of listening to someone else's view of things - you won't be back in here running your mouth irrelevantly and irreverently about people drinking kool aid. Cowboy up, dude - your leash is showing.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

MONSANTO and other GMO corps are making poisons that kill the microbes that make soil.

Do you have a link to more information about this? Something tells me there's more to the story.

P.S. Don't be afraid of flouride http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPr.../fluoride.html

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Steve -- there's two forms of fluoride. Sodium flouride (industrial waste and extremely toxic - dumped in water supplies) and Magnesium fluoride - in mother's milk and actually necessary in small portions. Which are you talking about?

Actually, there are many more flouride compounds than the two you've listed. Also, whether or not something is "toxic" depends on dosage. Water is "toxic" depending on the dosage.

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11 years ago

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Do you have a link to more information about this? Something tells me there's more to the story.

P.S. Don't be afraid of flouride Why Fluoridation Is Important

Actually, there are many more flouride compounds than the two you've listed. Also, whether or not something is "toxic" depends on dosage. Water is "toxic" depending on the dosage.

Quackwatch is a highly biased website that is dedicated to discrediting anything remotely alternative. It has close ties to the AMA and pharmaceutical companies).

Is Stephen Barrett a Quack? Quackwatch review by Ray Sahelian, M.D.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

Quackwatch is a highly biased website that is dedicated to discrediting anything remotely alternative. It has close ties to the AMA and pharmaceutical companies).

Is Stephen Barrett a Quack? Quackwatch review by Ray Sahelian, M.D.

That's a fair enough concern. Similarly, most of the "Anti-flouride" web sites are highly biased as well. There's little information on water fluoridation which I'd consider completely unbiased.

Originally Posted by LarryC

It has close ties to the AMA and pharmaceutical companies).

I'd be interested in any link which may have information revealing any suspected ties to the AMA or pharmaceutical companies.

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11 years ago

[quote=mojojuju;7972209]Do you have a link to more information about this? Something tells me there's more to the story.

P.S. Don't be afraid of flouride http://wwwfraud.qu4ckwatch.org/03Hea.../fluoride.html[/quote[

Well, it IS listed as a neurotoxin, and the FDA, doctors, and dentists say it is TOXIC! If a baby, or small kid, swallows even a pea size amount, you are SUPPOSED to call the poison center.

National institute of health for the UNITED STATES:

CREST FLOURIDE TOOTHPASTE:

CREST PRO-HEALTH FOR LIFE (STANNOUS FLUORIDE) PASTE, DENTIFRICE [PROCTER & GAMBLE MANUFACTURING COMPANY]

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Warnings
When using this product do not use for sensitivity longer than four weeks unless recommended by a dentist.
Stop use and ask a dentist if the sensitivity problem persists or worsens. Sensitive teeth may indicate a serious problem that may need prompt care.
Keep out of reach of children. If more than used for brushing is accidentally swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away.

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Directions
adults and children 12 yrs. & older: apply at least a 1-inch strip of the product onto a soft bristled toothbrush. Brush teeth thoroughly for at least 1 minute twice a day (morning and evening) or as recommended by a dentist. Make sure to brush all sensitive areas of the teeth.
do not swallow
children under 12 yrs.: ask a dentist

Actually, there are many more flouride compounds than the two you've listed. Also, whether or not something is "toxic" depends on dosage. Water is "toxic" depending on the dosage.

I think she ASSUMED I was talking about water treatment. There ARE typically two THERE! I used flouride in my example for the flourine component, NOT to illustrate MENTAL toxicity, but planetary effects. IRONIC that we got rid of flourine(It is being phased out. By the numbering scheme, I guess more than 24 forms are now ILLEGAL to make.), but we are heavily producing and spreading flouride. Flouride CAN change back to flourine, and then may cause all the damage of the "chloroflourocarbons", that have been OUTLAWED!

And water apparently is NOT toxic! People have died due to too much water because of chemical imbalances due to the lack of them in the water and/or the flushing of the system due to water. So water isn't actually a poison, but flourine IS! BTW ALL halogen gases are considered TOXIC! They are, IIRC, BROMINE, CHLORINE, and *****FLOURINE*****!

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ronrule

11 years ago

Sure, and who funds their "research"? Government agencies and so-called "green" companies with products to sell you.

But again, we aren't talking about that, we were talking about the extinction of the species unless we "find another planet" according to Hawking. I call bs on that.

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jimbo13

11 years ago

It is estimated that 99% of everything that has ever lived on the planet has become extinct.

We are responsible for basically none of it (as a close %)

One day we will be extinct too as the conditions become unfavourable for mammals.

It is inevitable.

But it wont be in a 1000 years.

And Hawking never said it would be either.

That was just one figure along with a million.

We just need to start looking for other places to colonise so that when earth is inhabitable (which will be down to nature not us) our species can continue.

And we should start this now with more space exploration.

Right now all the eggs (humans) are all in the same basket. (earth)

Not sensible according to him.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by jimbo13

It is estimated that 99% of everything that has ever lived on the planet has become extinct.

We are responsible for basically none of it (as a close %)

Not what I heard! Just a couple days ago, I watched a story about how some STUPID "thinking" almost exterminated the orange roughy! And WHY? Because they happened across it because they hurt so many OTHER fish!

I ALSO saw how the Japanese nearly killed a type of stork.

One day we will be extinct too as the conditions become unfavourable for mammals.

It is inevitable.

But it wont be in a 1000 years.

And Hawking never said it would be either.

That was just one figure along with a million.

We just need to start looking for other places to colonise so that when earth is inhabitable (which will be down to nature not us) our species can continue.

And we should start this now with more space exploration.

Right now all the eggs (humans) are all in the same basket. (earth)

Not sensible according to him.

Dan

And YEAH, the human race can NOT survive substantially as it is for 1000 years. NO WAY!

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jimbo13 11 years ago

Steve

Living things in some form have been around for 2 billion.

It wasn't us who killed it all off.

Dan

PS: I agree that we do some stupid things that are detrimental.
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HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ronrule

Sure, and who funds their "research"? Government agencies and so-called "green" companies with products to sell you.

But again, we aren't talking about that, we were talking about the extinction of the species unless we "find another planet" according to Hawking. I call bs on that.

Finding out who funds what is part of any good research. IPCC had all the political backing - but when they put out their report that the Himalayas are melting, India threatened (not sure if they ended up doing it) to walk out of global climate talks -- because their scientists who were actually AT the glaciers taking info said there was nothing wrong with them.

How about the polar bears dying off? There are non-profits raising funds to save them - right? The scientists actually watching the bears say there's nothing wrong with them - 19 covens of them and only 2 are having problems at all. It's all make believe for funding.

Now look at Haiti. Over-populated, surviving via aide only. People have almost completely stripped the rain forests there - and it's tanking them. If it was just their problem we could say - screw em they were stupid. However, NASA has an organization of scientists which have found that their idiocy has created a very dangerous chain reaction. Now we could call that a funding farce..........but, it's a very unpublicized situation - so is the funding an issue? When funding is an issue the reports are usually propaganda with a purpose - but propaganda is spread as widely as possible to change the world view of the masses. When the info is suppressed and hard to find - it doesn't matter what the funding is. It's usually info that might be true, but doesn't fit what they need to work up funding or to control public action.

The truth is we're losing species of life right now at an alarming rate and you can only wipe out so much before you have tanked what your own species needs to survive. We need to drop off propaganda and just cut to the bottom line and deal with it. That is very unlikely to happen until things are at the point that we are going to lose over half of human life - for a lot of other reasons, partly political in nature. Partly because we have to get to conditions that anything we do can really be effective and worth implementing. At 8 bil people (a decade at the max?) Nothing will save our butts.

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subisa852

11 years ago

Hornsleth Deep Storage Project - INTRODUCTION

This year, the Hornsleth Deep Storage Project will lower a blood encapsulation sculpture into the Pacific Ocean. It contains human blood and hair samples, DNA. To bring people and endangered species back to life in the future.

I think this will serve as an assurance that the human race will not be extinct within the next 1000 years.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by subisa852

Hornsleth Deep Storage Project - INTRODUCTION

This year, the Hornsleth Deep Storage Project will lower a blood encapsulation sculpture into the Pacific Ocean. It contains human blood and hair samples, DNA. To bring people and endangered species back to life in the future.

I think this will serve as an assurance that the human race will not be extinct within the next 1000 years.

You can't bring people "back" on a planet that won't support them any longer. You can't just replant on desertificated soil - you can't make soil without the microbes that we are slaughtering now.

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whateverpedia 11 years ago

Originally Posted by subisa852

To bring people and endangered species back to life in the future.

There is an inherent flaw in what you posted.

Just who exactly is going to bring them back? Cockroaches? Rats?
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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by subisa852

Hornsleth Deep Storage Project - INTRODUCTION

This year, the Hornsleth Deep Storage Project will lower a blood encapsulation sculpture into the Pacific Ocean. It contains human blood and hair samples, DNA. To bring people and endangered species back to life in the future.

I think this will serve as an assurance that the human race will not be extinct within the next 1000 years.

Well, if it were possible, and it isn't as both Hey Sal and Whateverpedia have shown you, ummm, if they need to be brought back, doesn't that indeed show that they were extinct? Hello?

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Dan Riffle

11 years ago

I drove through Detroit this past weekend. Based on the sights, I'm pretty sure we're already going extinct.

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MissTerraK 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I drove through Detroit this past weekend. Based on the sights, I'm pretty sure we're already going extinct.

You are braver than I am! I never drive through Detroit, lol!
Therefore I cannot confirm nor deny.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Okay - lets go back and revisit the issues in Haiti. The people are kept poor by a gov who uses the billions in foreign aid for their own comfort. The people have over populated their area and can't afford resources - food, fuel. They go strip the land of animals, forests - anything they can get to keep themselves alive. Soon there is no way for the land to support them and they still can't afford fuel and food. They then start dying off. Ethiopia is the same way. People starving to death every day. The land no longer supports them, their numbers and poverty forced them to strip their resources.

Now - what happens if we have a shortage of something that we need to support our current lifestyle - or our elite continue to drain our finances until we can no longer afford food or fuel -- people will go out and strip any resources they have to in order to survive. That means kill animals for food and strip forests for food and fuel.

How much of that can we take? We have 7 billion people on this planet - how many can be forced to forage for survival before they strip enough resource to kill the whole planet? If you strip forests, they can't be replenished overnight - it takes time. If you drive an animal extinct it's just gone. Then it's predators starve and it's prey over populates and strips the resources for their own survival.

There's not that much left. We're down to 14% of the forests that we had a hundred years ago. People keep yacking that there's plenty of trees - but the forestry has been sectioned and it's killing off wildlife. In an ecosystem, you can't kill off any part of that ecosystem and not start a chain reaction. It can't be done. You want to kill the ant's in a forest? If you kill too many, you kill the forest. Take the African Savannah for example, the ants stay on tree leaves and keep elephants from stripping the canopy trees completely out. Kill too many rodents and you cut seed dispersal, the food chain, and soil turn/aeration. It's ALL connected.

Serious as a crutch - you can't upset the balance too far or you can't bring it back ---- and everything HAS to stay in balance or the ecosystem declines. Enough decline and you kill it. It's been that way forever and always will be.

Scientists are just now getting the clue how extremely delicate balances are - and we've spread so far that we've upset so much of the balance already that we're creating chain reactions that are next to impossible, if not impossible to stop. There's only so much further it can go before it starts taking us down. Our leaders know this and are too sociopathically addicted to power and money to help change the course at all. Of course - if we lose 1/2 of our population very fast, the rest can turn things around.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Heysal, What do you expect!?!?!? In 1999, they said that the economy was doing too well, so they raised rates SKY HIGH. Companies started going bankrupt! CITIES started dying! One "representative" said it COULDN'T have been the rates because after they LOWERED them, the businesses didn't come back! GIVE ME A BREAK! Reversing your contribution often does NOT negate the effect! You can't stick a knife in someone, twist both ways, pull out, and expect them to be ok! You can NOT kick a hole in a boat, remove your leg, and expect it to be fine. You can NOT even clean out a persons bank acount for three months, give it back to them, and expect them to be fine. etc....

But politicians feign ignorance of ALL that! They would be the FIRST to throw you in jail if you did to them what they do to others. One FAMOUS senator, for example, got VERY upset when he wasn't given SPECIAL treatment on a plane!

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