Anyone Heard About Bitcoins Yet?

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Has anyone else heard of Bitcoins? Bitcoin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm hearing stories everyday all over the place now about an önline"currency that can be used here in the real world that seems to have gained overnight media stardom...

There's a lot of interest about it (at least from the online community and the media) but I'm wondering if it's all hype, since the value of these Bitcoins is highly unstable (right now) and goes up and down by large amounts everyday. From what I understand you can buy and sell Bitcoins online (how, I have no idea but I'm intrigued by the currency rates):

1.0000 Bitcoin $81.80
2.0000 Bitcoins $163.60
5.0000 Bitcoins $408.99
10.0000 Bitcoins $817.9

I'm interested this currency as a type of Forex/ stock market and if it were more stable could very well produce many millionaires and free people from their 9-5... Some people are claiming to have made six or seven figures buying and selling them. I'm sure the governments will start trying to regulate Bitcoins once it knows about it since the creators are attempting to replace centralized currency.

Thoughts? Have any Warriors gotten involved in this or know more about it?
  • Profile picture of the author J50
    Just a tool for gamblers, at least Forex is backed by Macroeconomics and Interest Rates. Bitcoin is backed by nothing other than greed and fear.
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    • Profile picture of the author SandraLarkin
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      Originally Posted by J50 View Post

      Just a tool for gamblers, at least Forex is backed by Macroeconomics and Interest Rates. Bitcoin is backed by nothing other than greed and fear.
      American dollars are backed by nothing but greed, fear, and lies. At least bitcoin removes the lies.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by SandraLarkin View Post

        American dollars are backed by nothing but greed, fear, and lies. At least bitcoin removes the lies.
        You are right about the first clause, but bitcoin removes NOTHING, except government backing, a history, and international support!

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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    Yeah bitcoins have been around for quite sometime now since you can buy almost anything while having complete anonymity.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ehanson
      Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

      Yeah bitcoins have been around for quite sometime now since you can buy almost anything while having complete anonymity.
      Really? Anything, like a house? Do people pay for things in Bitcoins (where accepted) or convert it into real currency? I can imagine the reaction someone would get at the currency exchange trying to convert their coins into money.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gonzosan
        Originally Posted by Ehanson View Post

        Really? Anything, like a house? Do people pay for things in Bitcoins (where accepted) or convert it into real currency? I can imagine the reaction someone would get at the currency exchange trying to convert their coins into money.
        You can buy anything that accepts Bitcoins as payment. Right now it's not accepted everywhere. Also understand that Bitcoin is maxed at 22 million. You can "earn" Bitcoins if you help them out with the encryption/decryption process by using your computing power but IMHO it's not worth it.
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      • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
        Originally Posted by Ehanson View Post

        Really? Anything, like a house? Do people pay for things in Bitcoins (where accepted) or convert it into real currency? I can imagine the reaction someone would get at the currency exchange trying to convert their coins into money.
        Convert to real currency, buy drugs, cars, house, music, ANYTHING.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ehanson
          Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

          Convert to real currency, buy drugs, cars, house, music, ANYTHING.
          Oh wow! That explains some things.

          Hopefully some people who have a lot of it will be able to use it for good, like philantropy or helping friends and family out in need... that's what I would do at least.
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          • Profile picture of the author Gonzosan
            Originally Posted by Ehanson View Post

            Oh wow! That explains some things.

            Hopefully some people who have a lot of it will be able to use it for good, like philantropy or helping friends and family out in need... that's what I would do at least.

            It's very common for funding stuff where people want interactions to be kept "private". I first heard about it after hearing about some pretty disturbing sites on the darker parts of the network.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
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    • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
      Bitcoin, a Ponzi? Oh my. It seems many of the cornerstone institutions of our society are as well. The Federal Reserve banking system with its magical "fractional reserve" feature is certainly a Ponzi. By it's very nature there can never be enough money in the banks to pay the depositors. Nice, huh?

      And the FDIC safety net is a phony "Insurance" entity that draws more funny money from the Fed to pay depositors back in worthless paper. At best the operators of the system create money from nothing and the inflation it causes gets handed to the people who can least afford it.

      And let's not forget Social Security. New blood needs to come into the system constantly to pay off the senior members. It started as an investment trust but it turned into a pyramid...

      Why is it if private individuals and companies create Ponzis they get slapped around by the system but when the big boys running things do they call it business as usual?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

        Bitcoin, a Ponzi? Oh my. It seems many of the cornerstone institutions of our society are as well. The Federal Reserve banking system with its magical "fractional reserve" feature is certainly a Ponzi. By it's very nature there can never be enough money in the banks to pay the depositors. Nice, huh?

        And the FDIC safety net is a phony "Insurance" entity that draws more funny money from the Fed to pay depositors back in worthless paper. At best the operators of the system create money from nothing and the inflation it causes gets handed to the people who can least afford it.

        And let's not forget Social Security. New blood needs to come into the system constantly to pay off the senior members. It started as an investment trust but it turned into a pyramid...

        Why is it if private individuals and companies create Ponzis they get slapped around by the system but when the big boys running things do they call it business as usual?
        That's a whole 'nuther topic. One that could be difficult to discuss without getting the thread locked or deleted, given the no politics rule. I do understand the comparison, but surely you're not trying to equate bitcoins, or as some say, bitcon, with these other institutions?
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    The problem with te Bit Coin is that its truly a bubble just waiting to pop. In one day it lost 60% value, and then went back up lol
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by Ehanson View Post

    Has anyone else heard of Bitcoins? Bitcoin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I'm hearing stories everyday all over the place now about an önline"currency that can be used here in the real world that seems to have gained overnight media stardom...
    From limited places!!!!!

    There's a lot of interest about it (at least from the online community and the media)
    BULL!

    but I'm wondering if it's all hype, since the value of these Bitcoins is highly unstable (right now) and goes up and down by large amounts everyday. From what I understand you can buy and sell Bitcoins online (how, I have no idea but I'm intrigued by the currency rates):

    1.0000 Bitcoin $81.80
    2.0000 Bitcoins $163.60
    5.0000 Bitcoins $408.99
    10.0000 Bitcoins $817.9
    It IS hype! Someone realized, as many have for thousands of years, that many can have money as a mere CREDIT. The problem is getting the credit to be widely accepted. The big credit cards may be the ONLY non government sanctioned entities to ever do that, and companies like paypal piggy back on them. Bitcoin supposedly tries to do this by making a semi tangible item. There are a lot of technical problems with that though. And costs have gone ALL OVER!

    I'm interested this currency as a type of Forex/ stock market and if it were more stable could very well produce many millionaires and free people from their 9-5... Some people are claiming to have made six or seven figures buying and selling them. I'm sure the governments will start trying to regulate Bitcoins once it knows about it since the creators are attempting to replace centralized currency.

    Thoughts? Have any Warriors gotten involved in this or know more about it?
    Well, forex deals with nation currencies. They claim limits that would make t not so profitable or able to replace nations money. YEAH, they buy at $4, and sell at $80, etc..... BESIDES, if the currency is to replace the others, doesn't it sound silly to brag about making so much of what you claim is worthless?

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author KingKuba
      Should have bought it when they were 5 cents. Not it is way overpriced and too much of a risk. Still interesting.

      Yes it is a ponzi scheme but so are all the banks in the world. Your money is not actually at the bank, it is just being used somewhere else for higher interest. If everyone wanted their money all at once.......good luck with that.
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  • Profile picture of the author highrider21
    I just recently heard about these bitcoins. I don't know if they are a worthwhile investment or not, but I just read that the Winklevoss twins have amassed about $11 million worth of bitcoins or about 1% of all bitcoins which is interesting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I'm no economist but the Bitcoin market seems strange to me.

      The value of any currency usually declines when more is printed - when, that is, there is no real substance to support the value.

      With Bitcoins, the value has "increased" as more are released but that's due to more people buying into this virtual currency as an "investment". So people are buying and holding and from what I see the increase in value is only due to more people wanting to buy and those holding BC being willing to take some "profit".

      In reality, Bitcoins only have value if you are wllng to buy through Bitcoin merchants who are selling products as a way to increase their holdings of Bitcoins.

      What happens when the last of the Bitcoins are released (the release is said to be finite) - and people like the brothers decide to take their profits? Bitcoin value is increasing because the number of investors holding BC is increasing. So the only "backing" of Bitcoin is from those willing to pay more and more to acquire the currency.

      Any currency that has a 50-70% fluctuation in value in a week's time is not a solid investment to me but others may think it's a great deal.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I'm no economist but the Bitcoin market seems strange to me.

        The value of any currency usually declines when more is printed - when, that is, there is no real substance to support the value.

        With Bitcoins, the value has "increased" as more are released but that's due to more people buying into this virtual currency as an "investment". So people are buying and holding and from what I see the increase in value is only due to more people wanting to buy and those holding BC being willing to take some "profit".

        In reality, Bitcoins only have value if you are wllng to buy through Bitcoin merchants who are selling products as a way to increase their holdings of Bitcoins.

        What happens when the last of the Bitcoins are released (the release is said to be finite) - and people like the brothers decide to take their profits? Bitcoin value is increasing because the number of investors holding BC is increasing. So the only "backing" of Bitcoin is from those willing to pay more and more to acquire the currency.

        Any currency that has a 50-70% fluctuation in value in a week's time is not a solid investment to me but others may think it's a great deal.
        Actually, if it is artistic, ONE will be VERY valuable, and other copies will cause it to drop! THEN, it becomes regional, if used in trade, and goes up in value, It eventually drops until it is taken seriously. It then eventually drops if it becomes too easy to get.

        The US dollar was supposedly #1 until a couple years ago, and then became #2! #1 is supposedly now the EURO! SAD, since IT is having hard times! Supposedly #14 is now the russian ruble! So WHAT is #15? According to a famous financial magazine? HINT! The beginning of last year, it was #20!!!!!!!! So WHAT IS it?



        What could it be?


        SERIOUSLY? FIVE places in little more than a year?


        WHAT?



        The CHINESE YUAN!!!!!!!

        Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author highrider21
    I just searched on ebay to buy bitcoins, and saw that people are now selling litecoins for much cheaper. I looked it up and it seems like litecoins are a knockoff of bitcoins. So I guess litecoins is going to be the next boom and now is the time to get in lol. For a while I thought this bitcoin thing was somewhat legit and had the possibility of being a real currency, but after seeing a knockoff called litecoin that people are actually buying, it kind of seems like a joke. Eventually people will create a knockoff of litecoin and that will be the new craze.

    Anyways, I installed the Bitcoin wallet yesterday just to see what it was and for about 6 hours yesterday and 4 hours today it has been "Synchronizing with network", and it's still going, it's got 1000 blocks remaining. Is this normal for it to take this long?
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    • Profile picture of the author SandraLarkin
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      Originally Posted by highrider21 View Post

      I just searched on ebay to buy bitcoins, and saw that people are now selling litecoins for much cheaper. I looked it up and it seems like litecoins are a knockoff of bitcoins. So I guess litecoins is going to be the next boom and now is the time to get in lol. For a while I thought this bitcoin thing was somewhat legit and had the possibility of being a real currency, but after seeing a knockoff called litecoin that people are actually buying, it kind of seems like a joke. Eventually people will create a knockoff of litecoin and that will be the new craze.

      Anyways, I installed the Bitcoin wallet yesterday just to see what it was and for about 6 hours yesterday and 4 hours today it has been "Synchronizing with network", and it's still going, it's got 1000 blocks remaining. Is this normal for it to take this long?
      It depends on which wallet you are using.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    Stephen Colbert just had a segment about Bitcoin on The Colbert Report... did anyone else just watch that show tonight?

    Your thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I wonder if the make anything from this!!!!!!! There are only four ways this can go!

    1. They pay the amount which happens to be the same(The odds of this are about ZERO!)
    2. Every customer makes a lot of money(ALSO unlikely)!
    3. Customers LOSE money and may be UPSET! Likely, and people will wonder WHY they closed, etc....

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Steve - They are losing their US bank accounts in this case. Their site has an announcement on the home page about it.

      I know other BitCoin exchanges have had problems recently with denial of service and hacker attacks. My understanding was this particular exchange was fairly popular.

      I wonder if the biggest threat to BC in the future is the dark side of using the bitcoins for illegal/shady purposes and the ability to hack the exchanges and influence the value.

      Investors might accept the risks (and there may be an ability to short BC before too long and trade them in the Forex market) - but the public won't be interested in using e-currency until it is considered respectable and stable. That could be a while.
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      • Profile picture of the author Umair30
        I don't know if you have heard of Max Keiser, he always speaks in favor of Bitcoins. I think there is info about Bitcoins in one of his episode.

        (I don't agree with everything he says)
        htt p://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/epi sode%20432-888/
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Just watched the Colbert episode about BC - guy gets down to basics...

          "How does this unregulated, imaginary currency invented by an anonymous hacker, backed by the full faith and credit of YouTube comments ever go wrong?
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