Sirius Film Team Announces Atacama Humanoid Age & Sex Determined

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The documentary release April 22nd
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    No matter what someone thinks about the validity of this film, it's going to be an interesting watch.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      No matter what someone thinks about the validity of this film, it's going to be an interesting watch.
      I think he kinda proved the validty when he filled the national press club with ex navy, airforce, nasa, cia and people in high ranking US government positions all swearing to testify under oath what they where saying was true his first documentary...
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        Originally Posted by goindeep View Post

        I think he kinda proved the validty when he filled the national press club with ex navy, airforce, nasa, cia and people in high ranking US government positions all swearing to testify under oath what they where saying was true his first documentary...
        Yeah, you'd think so -- but the Tinfoil hat screamers don't think about that kind of crap. They're going to sound off like air raid sirens over it.
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    I don't trust people that start showing things like domestic saucers in such a film.

    This guy, if real, had a brain smaller, EVEN accounting for size, than most dogs! HECK, smaller than many BIRDS! And it was 6-8 YEARS old? How did it survive? on this planet? Even BIRDS would hunt it!

    But with the size, dress(if any), etc.... How could this mean ANYTHING to anyone here? I mean you can't just take a creature and say "It's ODD, it MUST be from another planet!"! ICSSMM!

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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      I don't trust people that start showing things like domestic saucers in such a film.

      This guy, if real, had a brain smaller, EVEN accounting for size, than most dogs! HECK, smaller than many BIRDS! And it was 6-8 YEARS old? How did it survive? on this planet? Even BIRDS would hunt it!

      But with the size, dress(if any), etc.... How could this mean ANYTHING to anyone here? I mean you can't just take a creature and say "It's ODD, it MUST be from another planet!"! ICSSMM!

      Steve
      Steve; Beliefs in Earth being visited by people from other planets sounds like science, but it's closer to religion.

      Think of the vast distances between stars (some people still don't know our sun is a star).

      If you scaled down our sun to the size of a basketball, our Earth would be the size of a pea and be a couple of hundred feet out from the basketball sized Sun. But the nearest star would still be 5,000 miles away. Stars are so far apart, that even if we traveled at a constant speed equal to the fastest space probe (sped up considerably by a swing around Jupiter), it would take 80,000 years to get to the nearest star (assuming we went in the right direction).

      Are there planets around incredibly distant stars that could support any life? Almost certainly. Are they close enough that they would ever be aware that we existed? Or us them? Almost certainly not.

      Ever notice that Aliens look remarkably like us? What are the odds of that happening? Another planet with the same gravity, air pressure, temperatures, water (to allow cells to form), land (to force limbs with hands to form)?

      And out of all the species on this planet (millions and millions) only one has developed anything like technology...And what are the odds of all of that happening again...anywhere near (on a cosmic scale) us?

      "But Claude, they heard our radio waves". No. Radio wave degrade to the point of being just a faint hum with no pattern way before they ever get to even the nearest star.

      The odds are very great that there is life out there. Maybe intelligent life. But they haven't seen us. And we haven't seen them.

      Tomorrow, nothing will happen, and it won't change any minds. Why? Because this isn't a science subject. It's a religious subject.

      Believe me, nobody wants this stuff to be true more than I do. I'm a huge science fiction Nerd. But I can't change reality, no matter how much I "Believe".

      This post was a serious mistake on my part. But once a year or so, I read nonsense like some of these posts, and I can't stop myself.

      Today is the 21st. You have my sacred solemn word that tomorrow there will not be evidence of alien life.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Steve; Beliefs in Earth being visited by people from other planets sounds like science, but it's closer to religion.
        what are you doing in the basement ?

        and your a science fiction nerd ... ha.. are you sure we are not related?
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

          what are you doing in the basement ?

          and your a science fiction nerd ... ha.. are you sure we are not related?
          Ken; I'm actually in my basement typing this. It took me a second or two to stop wondering how you knew I was in my basement.

          I made a mistake posting this. But, now that I have...you know a little more about me. I'm a huge science (and science fiction) buff. I just saw Oblivion with Tom Cruise, which I thought was pretty good.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Ken; I'm actually in my basement typing this. It took me a second or two to stop wondering how you knew I was in my basement.

            I made a mistake posting this. But, now that I have...you know a little more about me. I'm a huge science (and science fiction) buff. I just saw Oblivion with Tom Cruise, which I thought was pretty good.
            I keep seeing the trailers for that, the wife and i plan on seeing it.

            looks interesting.

            The basement is where all the interesting conversations take place.
            except for sales. the reg poster are good people

            As far as knowing more about you... all i am thinking is damn he has a basement ...
            lucky dog.

            As you know i am in FL.. we don't have basements here ... or attics
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

              I keep seeing the trailers for that, the wife and i plan on seeing it.

              looks interesting.

              The basement is where all the interesting conversations take place.
              except for sales. the reg poster are good people

              As far as knowing more about you... all i am thinking is damn he has a basement ...
              lucky dog.

              As you know i am in FL.. we don't have basements here ... or attics
              You lucky dog! At least you have an upstairs. If we're quiet, the home owners won't know we are here. :rolleyes:

              I have no doubt that they are good people.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                You lucky dog! At least you have an upstairs. If we're quiet, the home owners won't know we are here. :rolleyes:

                I have no doubt that they are good people.
                funny you say upstairs. I have one of the only houses with two floors.

                I really miss the row houses of NY

                basements, first, second floor .. with an attic you can walk in
                I really .. really miss that.

                Here we are lucky if you have decent closets, and crawl space attics.

                northern and western houses ROCK
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                • Profile picture of the author goindeep
                  If you look at evolution as a whole you will find that everything that evolves naturally progresses towards being more human looking. Sentient. Two legs, arms, one head, standing upright etc.

                  The reason is two fold.

                  Picture a naked human in a field walking around looking for food. Not that scary is it?

                  Now think of all the big scary animals bears, lions, tigers, snakes, dinosaurs etc.

                  Humans had to use their brains to evolve, they had to. We didn't have big claws, big teeth, we weren't that strong, we couldn't run fast, swim under water or fly. So naturally our brains developed so that we could build tools, make fire etc.

                  This is where the two fold comes in, we could build the tools because we had hands and fingers with an opposable thumb. We could use those hands and fingers well because we had the brain capacity.

                  Our intelligence grew because our bodies provided the right materials.

                  Look at our mouths and tongues, its made for eating and talking. A Dogs mouth is made for biting, ripping, tearing and barking. Because we could talk we could communicate much more efficiently than other animals this led to more knowledge sharing.

                  The same with our heads. Our heads are designed to facilitate our large brains. We may not have the largest brains, but in ratio to our bodies our brains are huge: HowStuffWorks "Biggest Brain"

                  So if we agree that life is a virtual certainty in the Universe then if there is life, there will surely be an abundance of it and not just one planet filled with space ants.

                  My theory is that if you have animal life then one of those life forms will evolves into some type of sentient creature by the laws of evolution. Sure gravity the chemical make up of the planet, it's temperature and all those things are going to have design the ETs body to suite the environment, thats just a given.

                  In terms of how they would get here, c'mon, seriously? We have barely made it off the rock and we already know we need something faster then linear travel.

                  We know this, with the state of technology and growth in science, engineering give us 100 years, maybe 1000 and we will definitely figure it out. Its interesting you say this though because this subject is one of the topics they discuss in the doco.

                  I dont know if you have heard but on the quantum level hey have already proven teleportation to work

                  Quantum Teleportation

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                  Whatever the argument is, the documentary is going to be great.

                  Im not a gambling man (usually) but i'm willing to bet you a crate of beer that we will have made contact in the next 50 years... I hope this thread is still alive (and us)

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                    Originally Posted by goindeep View Post


                    Picture a naked human in a field walking around looking for food. Not that scary is it?

                    Now think of all the big scary animals bears, lions, tigers, snakes, dinosaurs etc.

                    Humans had to use their brains to evolve, they had to. We didn't have big claws, big teeth, we weren't that strong, we couldn't run fast, swim under water or fly. So naturally our brains developed so that we could build tools, make fire etc.

                    This is where the two fold comes in, we could build the tools because we had hands and fingers with an opposable thumb. We could use those hands and fingers well because we had the brain capacity.

                    Humans are actually better athletes than many give credit. There are few animals that can run a mile, climb a tree and swim a mile as quickly as us. Also, we can run a marathon faster than many animals.

                    To top this off, we are the best THROWERS in the animal kingdom. It's been a theory of mine for ages that being able to throw as well as we can gave us a huge advantage. It means we can pick up rocks and make spears and not have to come in direct contact with enemies and pray. Even lions get hurt trying to kill prey.

                    Throwing at a moving object takes quite a bit of intelligence in order to anticipate where the object will be by the time the rock/spear/ball arrives. And compare any animal's throwing compared to a baseball pitcher or football QB. I don't see how being such great throwers is just coincidence.
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                      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                      Humans are actually better athletes than many give credit. There are few animals that can run a mile, climb a tree and swim a mile as quickly as us. Also, we can run a marathon faster than many animals.

                      To top this off, we are the best THROWERS in the animal kingdom. It's been a theory of mine for ages that being able to throw as well as we can gave us a huge advantage. It means we can pick up rocks and make spears and not have to come in direct contact with enemies and pray. Even lions get hurt trying to kill prey.

                      Throwing at a moving object takes quite a bit of intelligence in order to anticipate where the object will be by the time the rock/spear/ball arrives. And compare any animal's throwing compared to a baseball pitcher or football QB. I don't see how being such great throwers is just coincidence.
                      I think you are looking at modern humans, but the cave dude was much different and even more so where his ancestors. They where slow and dumb. We can run long periods of time because we can sweat and cool down, but before when we where covered in hair we could not.

                      We where covered in hair so that our young could cling to us when we where nomadic. Since man moved into caves and warmed up the need for body hair grew less and less.

                      Throwing things is another story, and that is exactly my point. We had hands and and arms with a shoulder like no other animal. HOwever have you seen a monkey chuck a spear at a wild bore and hit it? I doubt it. I means ure there are videos of basketball playing monkeys but these little guys have been trained. Without intelligence it means nothing.

                      My point is that our bodies overtime evolved to be more intelligent because of our lack of strength and speed as compared with other animals of or about our size.

                      Anyway... looking forward to tomorrow.
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                        Originally Posted by goindeep View Post

                        I think you are looking at modern humans, but the cave dude was much different and even more so where his ancestors. They where slow and dumb. We can run long periods of time because we can sweat and cool down, but before when we where covered in hair we could not.

                        We where covered in hair so that our young could cling to us when we where nomadic. Since man moved into caves and warmed up the need for body hair grew less and less.

                        Throwing things is another story, and that is exactly my point. We had hands and and arms with a shoulder like no other animal. HOwever have you seen a monkey chuck a spear at a wild bore and hit it? I doubt it. I means ure there are videos of basketball playing monkeys but these little guys have been trained. Without intelligence it means nothing.

                        My point is that our bodies overtime evolved to be more intelligent because of our lack of strength and speed as compared with other animals of or about our size.

                        Anyway... looking forward to tomorrow.
                        Well, it is obvious that determining intelligence of old people is not so simple. For our size, humans are some of the slowest creatures on the planet!

                        THINK ABOUT IT! If the implications of what you said were true, huanity would be DEAD!

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                          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                          Well, it is obvious that determining intelligence of old people is not so simple. For our size, humans are some of the slowest creatures on the planet!

                          THINK ABOUT IT! If the implications of what you said were true, huanity would be DEAD!

                          Steve
                          Over what distance? And what animals? Insects?

                          Humans can run a marathon faster than most mammals.
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                        Originally Posted by goindeep View Post

                        I think you are looking at modern humans, but the cave dude was much different and even more so where his ancestors. They where slow and dumb. We can run long periods of time because we can sweat and cool down, but before when we where covered in hair we could not.

                        We where covered in hair so that our young could cling to us when we where nomadic. Since man moved into caves and warmed up the need for body hair grew less and less.

                        Throwing things is another story, and that is exactly my point. We had hands and and arms with a shoulder like no other animal. HOwever have you seen a monkey chuck a spear at a wild bore and hit it? I doubt it. I means ure there are videos of basketball playing monkeys but these little guys have been trained. Without intelligence it means nothing.

                        My point is that our bodies overtime evolved to be more intelligent because of our lack of strength and speed as compared with other animals of or about our size.

                        Anyway... looking forward to tomorrow.
                        You are the one that said:
                        Humans had to use their brains to evolve, they had to. We didn't have big claws, big teeth, we weren't that strong, we couldn't run fast, swim under water or fly. So naturally our brains developed so that we could build tools, make fire etc.
                        Don't change the definition of "human" for me. Not only did you use the word "human", which means modern man, you also said "we". And by "cave man", what species of hominid are you exactly talking about?

                        And, I wouldn't be surprised if earlier species of hominids didn't also have excellent stamina, as the bi-pedal walk is very energy efficient.

                        If throwing things is your point, you probably should have mentioned it. Plus, it's my own theory that I've heard mentioned very little by anthropologists.
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                      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                      Humans are actually better athletes than many give credit. There are few animals that can run a mile, climb a tree and swim a mile as quickly as us. Also, we can run a marathon faster than many animals.

                      To top this off, we are the best THROWERS in the animal kingdom. It's been a theory of mine for ages that being able to throw as well as we can gave us a huge advantage. It means we can pick up rocks and make spears and not have to come in direct contact with enemies and pray. Even lions get hurt trying to kill prey.

                      Throwing at a moving object takes quite a bit of intelligence in order to anticipate where the object will be by the time the rock/spear/ball arrives. And compare any animal's throwing compared to a baseball pitcher or football QB. I don't see how being such great throwers is just coincidence.
                      That's a point I haven't read before. But it's very interesting. I can't really find fault with it, and I've tried. You're right, throwing takes brain power.


                      To the thread; Um...well....OK...it's the 22nd. Hello?
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                        Yeah I watched the video and so basically they ran all sorts of tests on the humanoid and determined that it had human in it, mother probably of some type of Indian decent and it died within the last decade. Yet remarkably it had many of these DNA strands that the computer program could not attribute to any known human attributes and hence this case ended up with the head researcher from Stanford saying that there where more "Unknown" labelled DNA strands for this creature then he has ever seen.

                        They then had the worlds leading bone dicplacia person take a look and he said that although this creature appeared to be deformed or mutated on final inspection there appeared to be no actual mutations which was backed up by the genetic testing.

                        Basically there was a lot they did now and a hell of a lot they didn't know.

                        The other thing is that they showed lots of credible people from the FAA, NAVY, ARMY, GOVERNMENT ETC that testified to ET's being real.

                        The WOW moment for me was when they initiated a CE5 on video, they a big bright ball in the night sky materialize and then as a fighter jet approached it seemed to de-materialize once again.

                        Im no scientist but I think youd have to be the stupidest person on the planet to not see all the evidence and at the very least quetion our current understanding of reality and the Universe around us. Me? I run the other way and know it's true. It's only a matter of time before we start to realize that what we know as true science and true origins and our true place in the big picture is a mere slither of the entire picture.

                        The double slit experiment is one example that proves we dont know jack s**t and we are still learning. The fact that we are still squabbling over resources and killing ourselves sis another and finally the biggest bit of proof is that there is so much evidence for ET and UFO visitation going back thousands of years that it's actually hard to dispel it all unless of course you do turn it into a religious argument

                        http://siriusdisclosure.com/evidence/atacama-humanoid/
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                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        That's a point I haven't read before. But it's very interesting. I can't really find fault with it, and I've tried. You're right, throwing takes brain power.


                        To the thread; Um...well....OK...it's the 22nd. Hello?
                        You probably haven't read it because it's an original theory of mine.

                        I've only seen/read throwing mentioned once, and that was in passing. But we have to either assume that it was a coincidence of evolution, or throwing was a major advantage of evolution. But we can't deny humans throw better than any other animal, and I don't think that is just a coincidence.

                        One theory as to why Neanderthals went extinct is that their environment changed from being heavily wooded to grasslands. There's pretty good evidence to support this.

                        If this is true, the skill of throwing would have given humans a big advantage. Neanderthals were thought to be ambush predators that would hide behind trees to hunt animals.

                        Without trees, throwing spears would have become a much more viable way to hunt.

                        If we compare Neanderthals and us to Olympic athletes, they are built like shot putters and we are generally built like javelin throwers. While it's possible they could throw too, it's unlikely they could throw nearly as well as us.

                        Science asks what advantage we had over Neanderthals that allowed us to survive and them die, I suggest that the ability to throw well may have been a BIG advantage.
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                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          You probably haven't read it because it's an original theory of mine.

                          I've only seen/read throwing mentioned once, and that was in passing. But we have to either assume that it was a coincidence of evolution, or throwing was a major advantage of evolution. But we can't deny humans throw better than any other animal, and I don't think that is just a coincidence.

                          One theory as to why Neanderthals went extinct is that their environment changed from being heavily wooded to grasslands. There's pretty good evidence to support this.

                          If this is true, the skill of throwing would have given humans a big advantage. Neanderthals were thought to be ambush predators that would hide behind trees to hunt animals.

                          Without trees, throwing spears would have become a much more viable way to hunt.

                          If we compare Neanderthals and us to Olympic athletes, they are built like shot putters and we are generally built like javelin throwers. While it's possible they could throw too, it's unlikely they could throw nearly as well as us.

                          Science asks what advantage we had over Neanderthals that allowed us to survive and them die, I suggest that the ability to throw well may have been a BIG advantage.
                          You've cited this "theory" before, Kurt - and I think it's a good one. You should type up a dissertation and send it to an Anthropological society and see how well it stands water with the "officials" - be warned it might get stolen from ya if it holds water under scientific scrutiny.

                          Of course it would only be "one" of the reasons they went extinct. Their vocal chords were not as flexible as ours, either, so it limited their communication abilities, which was a hindrance in surviving next to modern man. I'm suspecting if they were still alive today, we'd have neanderthal slaves and would be fighting for their rights to not be abused. Go figure.
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                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          You probably haven't read it because it's an original theory of mine.

                          I've only seen/read throwing mentioned once, and that was in passing. But we have to either assume that it was a coincidence of evolution, or throwing was a major advantage of evolution. But we can't deny humans throw better than any other animal, and I don't think that is just a coincidence.

                          One theory as to why Neanderthals went extinct is that their environment changed from being heavily wooded to grasslands. There's pretty good evidence to support this.

                          If this is true, the skill of throwing would have given humans a big advantage. Neanderthals were thought to be ambush predators that would hide behind trees to hunt animals.

                          Without trees, throwing spears would have become a much more viable way to hunt.

                          If we compare Neanderthals and us to Olympic athletes, they are built like shot putters and we are generally built like javelin throwers. While it's possible they could throw too, it's unlikely they could throw nearly as well as us.

                          Science asks what advantage we had over Neanderthals that allowed us to survive and them die, I suggest that the ability to throw well may have been a BIG advantage.
                          I think you have a pretty viable theory there. I watched a science special on Neanderthals that said that about 25% of us have Neanderthal DNA...so we kind of absorbed them.

                          Interesting stuff.

                          I wondered what it would be like if every mammal was shaped like a human, except with different characteristics. A dog would look like a human, except have more hair, be smaller, and still think like a dog. A Rhino was a man except bigger with thicker skin. A giraffe looked human except much longer legs and neck...maybe 15 foot tall.

                          How would we treat the differently? A chimpanzee would basically just be a stupider version of us. Would we think of them as simpler versions of us?

                          That's how I see most mammals. Simpler versions of us. It's just a view I have, and not based on anything, just the way I think of them.
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                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            I think you have a pretty viable theory there. I watched a science special on Neanderthals that said that about 25% of us have Neanderthal DNA...so we kind of absorbed them.

                            Interesting stuff.

                            I wondered what it would be like if every mammal was shaped like a human, except with different characteristics. A dog would look like a human, except have more hair, be smaller, and still think like a dog. A Rhino was a man except bigger with thicker skin. A giraffe looked human except much longer legs and neck...maybe 15 foot tall.

                            How would we treat the differently? A chimpanzee would basically just be a stupider version of us. Would we think of them as simpler versions of us?

                            That's how I see most mammals. Simpler versions of us. It's just a view I have, and not based on anything, just the way I think of them.
                            Basically Chewbacca, lol.

                            Ive thought about this too.

                            Is it too out there?

                            No. We evolve to our environments.

                            The whole throwing thing is great. It's not a theory though and it's not yours. Sorry to burst your bubble. It's common sense and I dont see how it goes against anything I was already saying.

                            If you read what I wrote you'll see that I was explaining how you need to have the brain capacity but also physical capacity to do those intelligent things. E.G. in this case throw a spear or a rock.

                            Give a dog that same brain capacity and unfortunately he cant do much with it can he?

                            http://courses.washington.edu/war101...isaac_1987.pdf

                            Evolution of the human hand: the role of throwing and clubbing

                            My point to re-iterate is that I believe ET's would almost certainly always be sentient looking because I believe this is how nature, evolution, god or whatever you believe in intended.

                            This is where I was referring to the two fold mechanism where by I believe that if intelligent life is out there and it is visiting ill bet that they have to have both the brain/intelligence capacity as well as the physical capacity in terms of legs, arms, standing upright, large head like the body shown in the documentary.

                            Now am I saying Intelligence does not exist in non sentient being, no. Of course not. I personally believe all things are intelligent, its just that human kind can not always comprehend that type of intelligence.
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                    Originally Posted by goindeep View Post

                    I dont know if you have heard but on the quantum level hey have already proven teleportation to work
                    They NEVER proved teleportation. What they DID "prove" was the same thing electrical theory has been stating for like over 100 years! Unfortunately, with atomic and more complex things, it means NOTHING!

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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Steve; Beliefs in Earth being visited by people from other planets sounds like science, but it's closer to religion.
        Did I EVER say I believed this dreck? If I believed everything I have heard, I would have to be insane.

        Think of the vast distances between stars (some people still don't know our sun is a star).

        If you scaled down our sun to the size of a basketball, our Earth would be the size of a pea and be a couple of hundred feet out from the basketball sized Sun. But the nearest star would still be 5,000 miles away. Stars are so far apart, that even if we traveled at a constant speed equal to the fastest space probe (sped up considerably by a swing around Jupiter), it would take 80,000 years to get to the nearest star (assuming we went in the right direction).

        Are there planets around incredibly distant stars that could support any life? Almost certainly. Are they close enough that they would ever be aware that we existed? Or us them? Almost certainly not.
        Considering that the astronomical distance measure is LIGHT YEARS, that is all obvious! The Sun is only about 10 light MINUTES away!!!!!

        Ever notice that Aliens look remarkably like us? What are the odds of that happening? Another planet with the same gravity, air pressure, temperatures, water (to allow cells to form), land (to force limbs with hands to form)?
        Well, life tends to be fairly symmetrical. The primate form factor is obviously the most efficient on the earth of ANY! So THAT is understandable to a degree. And you HAVE to have something like fingers. Of course the size, shape, number can vary, and feet are another thing entirely.

        And out of all the species on this planet (millions and millions) only one has developed anything like technology...And what are the odds of all of that happening again...anywhere near (on a cosmic scale) us?
        Well, if you believe in evolution, you must assume it is possible. Humans were not ONE creature that evolved. They were ****TWO**** ONE mistake would mean DEATH! Look at donkeys and horses! They have the most miniscule of problems. They can reproduce! ****ONCE****!

        "But Claude, they heard our radio waves". No. Radio wave degrade to the point of being just a faint hum with no pattern way before they ever get to even the nearest star.
        YEAH! On EARTH, there have been over 1000 languages, and FEW are easily cross understood. Some are ENTIRELY different! And the similarities are due to HISTORY! There is NO pattern! Even if their once WAS a pattern, it degraded over time. Even TECHNOLOGY changes the language.

        And radio waves can be encoded in MANY ways! We have many ways. And there is banding! And there is interference! Even if they DID hear the waves, it would mean nothing.

        The odds are very great that there is life out there. Maybe intelligent life. But they haven't seen us. And we haven't seen them.

        Tomorrow, nothing will happen, and it won't change any minds. Why? Because this isn't a science subject. It's a religious subject.

        Believe me, nobody wants this stuff to be true more than I do. I'm a huge science fiction Nerd. But I can't change reality, no matter how much I "Believe".

        This post was a serious mistake on my part. But once a year or so, I read nonsense like some of these posts, and I can't stop myself.

        Today is the 21st. You have my sacred solemn word that tomorrow there will not be evidence of alien life.
        Well, I said, and I guess it was deleted, that this CAN'T be real! NOTHING will be revealed.

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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          Did I EVER say I believed this dreck? If I believed everything I have heard, I would have to be insane.



          Considering that the astronomical distance measure is LIGHT YEARS, that is all obvious! The Sun is only about 10 light MINUTES away!!!!!


          I agree completely, and don't know why you are yelling.



          Well, life tends to be fairly symmetrical. The primate form factor is obviously the most efficient on the earth of ANY! So THAT is understandable to a degree. And you HAVE to have something like fingers. Of course the size, shape, number can vary, and feet are another thing entirely.



          Well, if you believe in evolution, you must assume it is possible. Humans were not ONE creature that evolved. They were ****TWO**** ONE mistake would mean DEATH! Look at donkeys and horses! They have the most miniscule of problems. They can reproduce! ****ONCE****!

          Um...OK. You're still yelling.



          YEAH! On EARTH, there have been over 1000 languages, and FEW are easily cross understood. Some are ENTIRELY different! And the similarities are due to HISTORY! There is NO pattern! Even if their once WAS a pattern, it degraded over time. Even TECHNOLOGY changes the language.

          And radio waves can be encoded in MANY ways! We have many ways. And there is banding! And there is interference! Even if they DID hear the waves, it would mean nothing.

          Yup, still agreeing.



          Well, I said, and I guess it was deleted, that this CAN'T be real! NOTHING will be revealed.

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          Steve; Why are you yelling?

          The only reason I posted with your quote at the top, is that your post seemed thoughtful, reasonable, and I thought my post wouldn't be wasted on you.

          Added a little later; Now I get it. You thought that I was arguing with you. Nope. Sorry for the confusion. I should have been clearer.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Steve; Why are you yelling?

            The only reason I posted with your quote at the top, is that your post seemed thoughtful, reasonable, and I thought my post wouldn't be wasted on you.

            Added a little later; Now I get it. You thought that I was arguing with you. Nope. Sorry for the confusion. I should have been clearer.
            I wasn't yelling. It was emphasis.

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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    I checked out his web site and found some stuff that makes me more than a little skeptical.
    Kinda reminds me of Scientology.

    http://siriusdisclosure.com/

    http://etcontactnow.com/
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    He talks about known, highly advanced, suppressed energy solutions but then he wants donations for this;

    The Orion Project - The Orion Project's Energy Solutions Plan
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    I'm holding off judgement either way until I see it for myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Riptor
      The problem is that many serious Ufologists do not take Greer as being credible... he has shot himself in the foot many times, I hope this time he has some concrete evidence.

      Meanwhile..
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      • Profile picture of the author goindeep
        I think if you are an intelligent person you can see that intelligent life forms out there must exist, its pure math.

        I mean it's like every other week they are finding Earth like planets with water and near enough to a home star to support life as we know it.

        Then you have to wonder if they are more intelligent than us or not. Well if the Universe is 14 billion years old, what if said species was around for 1 million more years than us, or even 100 thousand years, or even a thousand years, or even 100 years... i mean look what we have done in 100 years.

        Is it so incomprehensible to think that we will be colonizing other planets soon, exploring our Galaxy. We may soon be those same aliens.

        I mean its like all this past month I been reading about how they have all these commercial plans to send humans to Mars in the next 30 years... this stuff is just around the corner.

        And I get the whole Greer thing. But tell me something... really think about this for a second.

        How credible would you be as a person who is talking about ET's!?

        Swap Steven Greer with President Obama. See what i'm saying? Because of the nature of the subject, doesnt matter who you are, people are still going to think you are a nut bag purely because you go against the grain.

        The whole donation thing in my opinion is more than legit. What would you rather he do sell t-shirts saying "Take me to your leader" I mean c'mon, look him uo, he was actually an ER doctor, he gave it all up and decided to do this crazy s**t.

        Now I dont know about you guys, but I dont think ET investigators get paid much money :rolleyes: so what does he do, he is honest and says he hasn't really got anything to sell but that if you give him money he can produce movies and write books.

        This movie that comes out on Aprill 22nd was completely 100% funded by donations. The marketing 100% completely funded by donations. And im one of those people that donated a small figure so when you are watching it just remember that it was all possible because Dr Greer has put his credibility on the line for the best part of his life and that regular people helped make a 5 star quality film
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    Originally Posted by goindeep View Post


    Dude we must think alike or something because i came from that site before coming here lol.

    And Im listening to the joe rogan show on youtube with greer right now lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Infinite space exists beyond the boundaries of space; infinite time beyond the boundaries of time.

    What are the odds of a sole anomaly (IE: You) existing in infinity?

    My hypothesis: Space and time aren't the only things that are infinite. Life is infinite too.

    Food for thought

    "We're barely out of the jungle on this planet"-George Carlin

    Edit: Am I saying the little Sirius creature is an alien? Probably not. But don't let that be the final chapter of your imagination.



    "Imagination is more important than knowledge"-Einstein

    (If space and time are infinite.. Do your conceived limitations really exist?)
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      • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
        Sorry to have to burst bubbles but here are a few facts:

        1. The earth is NOT the size of a pea VS a basketball when compared to the Sun
        It takes 1.3 million earths to make the sun. With their wet volume 1.3 million peas would be just a few cubic feet shy of filling a 40ft shipping container.
        See earth size proof here: How Many Earths Can Fit in the Sun?

        2. Former State Senator with a great reputation just came clean with the mews that we have been visited by Aliens only a couple of days ago, see proof here:
        Mike Gravel, former senator, says ETs have visited and the White House is covering it up

        3. Who the heck says you have to travel in ships? Think outside the box a bit. Sure the closest star is however far, that means nothing when you consider other modes of transit that can move at unreal (to most peoples brains) speeds. Tesla was experimenting with zero time transit back in his day. He could create an energy pattern on one side of the world and it would appear on the other side of the planet at the exact same moment in time.

        Am I saying there are ET's and stuff? No. BUT, I would think it pretty arrogant that we believe that we are it and there is nothing else.

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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Enfusia View Post

          Sorry to have to burst bubbles but here are a few facts:

          1. The earth is NOT the size of a pea VS a basketball when compared to the Sun
          It takes 1.3 million earths to make the sun. With their wet volume 1.3 million peas would be just a few cubic feet shy of filling a 40ft shipping container.
          See earth size proof here: How Many Earths Can Fit in the Sun?

          2. Former State Senator with a great reputation just came clean with the mews that we have been visited by Aliens only a couple of days ago, see proof here:
          Mike Gravel, former senator, says ETs have visited and the White House is covering it up

          3. Who the heck says you have to travel in ships? Think outside the box a bit. Sure the closest star is however far, that means nothing when you consider other modes of transit that can move at unreal (to most peoples brains) speeds. Tesla was experimenting with zero time transit back in his day. He could create an energy pattern on one side of the world and it would appear on the other side of the planet at the exact same moment in time.

          Am I saying there are ET's and stuff? No. BUT, I would think it pretty arrogant that we believe that we are it and there is nothing else.

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        • Profile picture of the author goindeep
          Originally Posted by Enfusia View Post

          Sorry to have to burst bubbles but here are a few facts:

          1. The earth is NOT the size of a pea VS a basketball when compared to the Sun
          It takes 1.3 million earths to make the sun. With their wet volume 1.3 million peas would be just a few cubic feet shy of filling a 40ft shipping container.
          See earth size proof here: How Many Earths Can Fit in the Sun?

          2. Former State Senator with a great reputation just came clean with the mews that we have been visited by Aliens only a couple of days ago, see proof here:
          Mike Gravel, former senator, says ETs have visited and the White House is covering it up

          3. Who the heck says you have to travel in ships? Think outside the box a bit. Sure the closest star is however far, that means nothing when you consider other modes of transit that can move at unreal (to most peoples brains) speeds. Tesla was experimenting with zero time transit back in his day. He could create an energy pattern on one side of the world and it would appear on the other side of the planet at the exact same moment in time.

          Am I saying there are ET's and stuff? No. BUT, I would think it pretty arrogant that we believe that we are it and there is nothing else.

          Patrick
          I agree.

          I dont think they travel using only just ships at all.

          I think that in a few years we are going to work out that they use object which can bend space and time and I think that the most critical part of their technology will come out to be the conscious and connected mind. What most people dont get is that we live in an organic body of sorts (the Universe and inside that out planet) no different to how individual cells with their own intelligences live inside your body, and so to travel within this giant Universal body you need to understand first your connection to it which is all via the mind.. Call it ESP, Psi or whatever you want...
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Well, I guess that leaves the question - how many peas would it take to make the mass of the earth? 1 mil earths is correct ratio for sun/earth comparison? Math geeks out there? How many peas to make an earth?

    LOL. I'm not sure if the pea/basketball ratio is meant to be taken as a mathematical proportion - I think it's meant as a visual comparison, and not a literal mass/per one. Scientists do that. In finding absolute mass of a star, the apparent mass is part of the formula, and apparent mass is only an approximation. (NOTE: been a few years since Astronomy classes so they might have found a more accurate formula by this time).
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Well, I guess that leaves the question - how many peas would it take to make the mass of the earth? 1 mil earths is correct ratio for sun/earth comparison? Math geeks out there? How many peas to make an earth?

      LOL. I'm not sure if the pea/basketball ratio is meant to be taken as a mathematical proportion - I think it's meant as a visual comparison, and not a literal mass/per one. Scientists do that. In finding absolute mass of a star, the apparent mass is part of the formula, and apparent mass is only an approximation. (NOTE: been a few years since Astronomy classes so they might have found a more accurate formula by this time).
      Sal; It wasn't a measurement of mass, but of diameter and distance. And the "Earth the size of a pea" thing is a rough estimate. After all, how big is a pea? It can vary.

      I just go by what I watch on the Science channel.
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