60 dead in Mexico flu outbreak

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thehypnotist 15 years ago

map of the outbreaks and take a look at drudge report
H1N1 Swine Flu - Google Maps

maybe the will raise the pandemic level to 4
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15 years ago

I heard 90 dead on CNN. Just one more reason to close off the Southern U.S. border before they bring it up here.

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derekwong28 15 years ago

Thanks Indiana, this definitely looks pretty worrying. Everybody should folllow this news.

Technically speaking, a new pandemic strain must have an H gene that is different from the prevailing strains (The N does not matter as much if at all). This is so that nobody would have any antibody and thus protection against the new virus. At the moment, the prevailing strains are H3N2 and H1N1. The swine influenza strain is H1N1 and therefore in theory, it will not cause a real pandemic.

However it is not to say that it cannot cause a massive international outbreak with a large number of deaths. One reason why we are seeing so many deaths now is that the virus has not adapted to humans. Once virus has adapted to humans, it should cause a less severe disease although it will spread much more easily. Since we are now comng in the summer months, it should become harder for the virus to spread.

If you live in the U.S., I would advise you to follow this news carefully, especially if you live in the South and in big cities. There is no need to be hysterical about this but I would not deter anybody from taking some precautions. If you or a family member are taken ill with a high fever, you must see a doctor immediately.

Closing the border would not help because the virus is in the U.S. already and has probably spread to other countries as well. Although the US could impose some form of health inspection at the border, ports and airports should the need arise. With air travel, the virus can definitely spread to other parts of the world quickly. I am sure all the health authorities are put on alert now.

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- thehypnotist 15 years ago
  
  Labs confirm same swine flu in deadly Mexican outbreaks
  Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:23 PM PDT
  Apr 24, 2009 (CIDRAP News) â Samples from a deadly respiratory illness outbreak in Mexico match swine influenza isolates from patients in the United States who had milder illnesses, an official from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said today, fueling speculation that the World Health Organization (WHO) could be on the verge of raising the global pandemic alert level.
  
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mcnotony 15 years ago

you need at least 200 to die to get everyone gripped to the news and for them to make any real money from from advertising revenues
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HeySal

15 years ago

Derek - when it mutates does it always mutate into a less dangerous form or can it actually get more potent?

Guess I start dipping into the ascorbic acid supplies now. It's really dry and getting warm here - sunny almost everyday so I'm thinking we might be fairly well off here - small population too.

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Derek Allen

15 years ago

I didn't even here about this. Holy crap!! I'm kinda freaked out right now!!!

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derekwong28 15 years ago

Sal, I will try to explain this in as simply as possible.

Major Genetic Change = Reassortment - Influenza A viruses have 8 gene fragments. What happens here is that two different influenza A viruses infects the same cell in the same animal at the same time and they sort of have "sex" What comes out are new viruses with different gene fragements from both parents. This may or may not have happened in Mexico but we will have to wait for more data.

Minor Genetic Change = Mutation - influenza A virus have the highest mutation rate of any virus. You get new strains that may cause epidemics from time to time.

For the new virus to be capable of causing a pandemic, it must have an H gene fragment that is different from the prevailing strains. Otherwise most people would have some immunity/protection agains the new virus. Therefore it is thought that most pandemics arose because or reassortment. However, there is a lot of evidence suggesting that the killer Influenza A pandemic of 1918 was due to a bird flu virus gradually adapting to human spread through mutation.

At the moment, it is too early to know what the potential of this swine influenza virus is. What I want to know is how different this swine H1N1 from the current human H1N1 strains. We will also need to know the mortality rate and the rate of spread. Certainly from the early data, it looks pretty dangerous at the moment.

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HeySal

15 years ago

Interesting Derek.

So now I have another question that I am very interested in your answer to considering your vast knowledge of the flu.

How do YOU protect against the virus?

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David Maschke

15 years ago

Hi Sal,

You've been studying vitamins and herbs for years, right?

What would you recommend?

This reminds me of SARS.

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15 years ago

Yeah, David - I have my own system (Still want to hear what a virus expert does, though so am interested in Derek's input).

First off - if your system is clogged up with garbage that is sidetracking it is too busy already to fight anything additional - so
I eat blood purifiers like dandelion root and leaves (roots I just clean off and swallow like pills because theres NOTHING that makes them taste good)
I drink chamomile tea - live where it grows wild so just pick it raw, dry it and brew it. But I only drink it before bed because it knocks me for a loop.
And I stay the hell away from fluoridated water at all costs.
I don't drink pop (soda) because the body recognizes the carbonization as waste and it puts it to work getting that waste out of your system when it could be doing other things. You never want a lot of garbage floating in your blood.

Sunshine - (Vitamin D3 is not only a vitamin but a gene/hormone regulator and deficiency is responsible for many major diseases including about 11 cancers) and they are finding now deficiencies can actually cause whole syndromes. Vitamin D3 fights viruses furiously. For people who are afraid of wrinkling - don't burn and eat Omega 3 oils will inhibit wrinkling caused by sunshine.

And I eat major amounts of ascorbic acid (Vit C) when viruses are going around. Virus can't live in high concentrations of C. You can get infusions in the hospital if you are sick enough, but usually you have to ASK for them, go figure. A few doctors will order them, but not enough by a long shot. If I feel the onset of something I take 1000 mg every hour until it starts to loosen up my intestinal tract then I back it off to every 2 hours - and then down to 500 mg - keep it just under a dose high enough to interfere with normal intestinal activity. Usually only takes 12 hours to knock out the illness once I start those doses. I prefer my ascorbic acid from citrus because of other benefits of citrus (OJ in particular) but supplement with tablets when I feel illness coming on.

If I think I'm getting sick you'll find me laying in the sun drinking a pitcher of OJ. LOL. I've only been down with flu 3 times in my life and they were bad - I was down before I even knew I was getting sick so it took me a few days to get well. Back in 1973 it was real scary because I was in Germany and a flu swept through that was killing a lot of people. I went to bed well and woke up dog sick. Don't know what that one was but it got into a nursery of newborns at an army base hospital and killed a lot of the newborns.
I thought that was swine flu, too - but I'm probably mistaken.

That's basically it for flu. Must work or I'd be sick more often.

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David Maschke

15 years ago

Thanks Sal,

Will go get some vitamin C today, and some OJ.

I heard that the dandelion is one of the most 5 nutritious foods on the planet. I didn't know they can purify the blood.

Looks like almost 9% mortality rate, seems to be some pretty serious stuff.

I'm not gong to get too excited about this yet, but I will pay close attention and prepare a plan for my family.

Thanks so much for your advice.

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Fernando Veloso

15 years ago

Thanks everyone, great advices and tips. Will follow how it goes and i just hope it does not cross the Atlantic.

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Fernando Veloso

15 years ago

If this is a biological warfare agent, we are in deep trouble, aren't we? Even people in North Pole won't be safe.

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acreativetouch 15 years ago

No, biological agents have been tested over human populations for decades. Tons of people report in to their docs with vague symptoms. they docs can't find anything wrong with them and write them off as "crazy", then the CDC counts the numbers when the docs make their reports.

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If this is a biological warfare agent, we are in deep trouble, aren't we? Even people in North Pole won't be safe.

Also, not meaning to plug my own product ( blush ) but an atmospheric water generator cleans the air from pathogens, while it makes very, very pure water. Those of you who can afford one, I would buy one. Clean air and clean water is vital to health and protection against disease.

I posted in another thread that the CDC was over-reacting.....from what Derek said, that was wrong. Sal, also gives some excellent advice. I would also add astragilus root and colloidal silver as well as the Vitamin D, Vitamin C, LOTS of dandelion.

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David Maschke

15 years ago

If this is a biological warfare agent, we are in deep trouble, aren't we? Even people in North Pole won't be safe.

I agree. Pig flu, bird flu, and human flu in one mix . This isn't natural (at least not very probable). This is mass murder, genocide unfolding before our eyes. Hopefully it burns out quickly, but usually this stuff spreads in waves. Like a pebble dropped in water. In this case it's about 5 pebbles dropped into the same puddle.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by David Maschke

...This is mass murder, genocide unfolding before our eyes. ...
Dave

Was that comment really necessary? Nothing has been proven, and certainly nowhere near "mass murder" or "genocide". I would say irresponsible at best, but clearly biased, unproven accusations with an agenda. The fact that deaths were among the relatively young people (ie "military age") is more likely to be because they have less developed immuno defenses.

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15 years ago

It looks like the situation is changing rapidly. The director general of the WHO have just said that this strain may have pandemic potential. Also, a family in Texas whose son has been infected has been quarantined indefinitely. This is now very serious indeed.

Sal and others: there are possible means to combat this infection which may or may not work. All current influenza vaccines contain an H1N1 strain. It is possible that the vaccine may offer some degree of protection against swine H1N1 virus. Also, it has been reported in Mexico that the usual anti-influenza drugs may work.

Paul, people aged 20-40 have actually got the best immune system. But It is entirely possible that severe and fatal disease is more likely in these individuals because of an ill understood "immuno-pathological" mechanism. What this essentially means is that the healthier you are, the more vulnerable you are to servere disease from this virus. But this is pure speculation at this stage and we certainly need much more data to do on. There are certainly other possible explanations why the 20-40 age group are particular susceptible.

Given the uncertainty, the best line of defence may be to avoid being infected. That means avoiding crowded indoor areas. As far as masks are concerned, they may or may not be effective in preventing you from being infected. However, if you are already infected, it would certainly reduce the chance of you infecting others. As far as the type of masks are concerned, ordinary surgical masks should be sufficient. If you want maximum protection, you can go for N95 masks. However, many people find them very unpleasant. You should also maintain good hygiene at your home and workplace. Clorox (household bleach) will probably be suffient to kill the virus. You should also look after your personal hygiene carefully.

The bottom line is that it is very early days yet. But judging by what has happened so far, this could easily develop into a crisis far worse than SARS in 2003. I hope that an appropriate level of response will be made to stop this virus. Otherwise, we will get massive disruption in travel and trade. Again, I want to emphasize that the situation looks serious and I would urge that you follow the news and developments on this closely.

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thehypnotist

15 years ago

Interesting mp3 interview with Doctor Chan http://terrance.who.int/mediacentre/..._influenza.mp3

in the next 7days we will know if this is going to be bad,also look for the pandemic alert level,

this virus is a mix of avian flu swine flu and human flu,this is kind of spooky,the world is broke and people are out of work so a pandemic would be good for the world economy.

I live in norway and we have no cases yet

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by thehypnotist

Interesting mp3 interview with Doctor Chan http://terrance.who.int/mediacentre/..._influenza.mp3

the world is broke and people are out of work so a pandemic would be good for the world economy.

How's that? You mean the undertakers?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

I hope that an appropriate level of response will be made to stop this virus. Otherwise, we will get massive disruption in travel and trade.
Derek

A question for you Derek,

I have 4 long haul flights (10+ hours each) coming up this week.
What do you recommend? I am going via the US down to Argentina travelling in Economy though viruses don't know one class from the other.

How can I best protect myself in case someone inside the aircraft has the said flu? How about preventive action? I am leaving on Wednesday morning which leaves me 2 more days to prepare. I must take the trip. I could refund the ticket but I must go.

Thank you very much in advance for your advice. I don't want to come back here with a Swine Flu especially as I am a full vegetarian. LOL

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ConcordeWarrior

A question for you Derek,

I have 4 long haul flights (10+ hours each) coming up this week.
What do you recommend? I am going via the US down to Argentina travelling in Economy though viruses don't know one class from the other.

How can I best protect myself in case someone inside the aircraft has the said flu? How about preventive action? I am leaving on Wednesday morning which leaves me 2 more days to prepare. I must take the trip. I could refund the ticket but I must go.

Thank you very much in advance for your advice. I don't want to come back here with a Swine Flu especially as I am a full vegetarian. LOL

The risks would be very small unless you are travelling to and from an area that has been badly affected. I would take some surgical masks with you. If you are worried, you can wear a mask on the plane and I don't think anybody will blame you. I would not recommend N95 or any other industrial masks as they will be too uncomfortable. Also make sure that you wash your hand frequently. You should also follow the news closely. If you do develop any flu like symptoms, you must see a doctor immediately.

The latest update is that a public health emergency has now been declared in the U.S

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/world/27flu.html?hp

Anyway, I have to go to bed now. I will see whether I can get any information from my previous colleagues tomorrow.

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mcnotony 15 years ago

you have to stop caring to show you care. don't watch the news out of protest that they are pulling your heart strings to sell advertising
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  you have to stop caring to show you care. don't watch the news out of protest that they are pulling your heart strings to sell advertising
  
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  splitting up your post like that will not boost your post count so, please stop the B.S. OK?
  
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  ... please stop the B.S. OK?
  
  If you took out all the B.S posts, there would only be about 11 left. (Derek's)
  
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  CDC, in collaboration with public health officials in California and Texas, is investigating cases of febrile respiratory illness caused by swine influenza (H1N1) viruses. As of 11 AM (EDT) April 25, 2009, 8 laboratory confirmed cases of Swine Influenza infection have been confirmed in the United States. Four cases have been reported in San Diego County, California. Two cases have been reported in Imperial County California. Two cases have been reported in Guadalupe County, Texas. Of the 8 persons with available data, illness onsets occurred March 28-April 14, 2009. Age range was 7-54 y.o. Cases are 63% male.
  The viruses contain a unique combination of gene segments that have not been reported previously among swine or human influenza viruses in the U.S. or elsewhere. At this time, CDC recommends the use of oseltamivir or zanamivir for the treatment of infection with swine influenza viruses. The H1N1 viruses are resistant to amantadine and rimantadine but not to oseltamivir or zanamivir. It is not anticipated that the seasonal influenza vaccine will provide protection against the swine flu H1N1 viruses.
  CDC has also been working closely with public health officials in Mexico, Canada and the World Health Organization (WHO). Mexican public health authorities have reported increased levels of respiratory disease, including reports of severe pneumonia cases and deaths, in recent weeks. CDC is assisting public health authorities in Mexico by testing specimens and providing epidemiological support. As of 11:00 AM (EDT) April 25, 2009, 7 specimens from Mexico at CDC have tested positive for the same strain of swine influenza A (H1N1) as identified in U.S. cases. However, no clear data are available to assess the link between the increased disease reports in Mexico and the confirmation of swine influenza in a small number of specimens. WHO is monitoring international cases. Further information on international cases may be found at: http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_04_24/en/index.html
  Clinicians should consider swine influenza infection in the differential diagnosis of patients with febrile respiratory illness and who 1) live in San Diego or Imperial counties, California, or Guadalupe County, Texas, or traveled to these counties or 2) who traveled recently to Mexico or were in contact with persons who had febrile respiratory illness and were in one of the three U.S. counties or Mexico during the 7 days preceding their illness onset.
  Patients who meet these criteria should be tested for influenza, and specimens positive for influenza should be sent to public health laboratories for further characterization. Clinicians who suspect swine influenza virus infections in humans should obtain a nasopharyngeal swab from the patient, place the swab in a viral transport medium, refrigerate the specimen, and then contact their state or local health department to facilitate transport and timely diagnosis at a state public health laboratory. CDC requests that state public health laboratories promptly send all influenza A specimens that cannot be subtyped to the CDC, Influenza Division, Virus Surveillance and Diagnostics Branch Laboratory.
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HeySal

15 years ago

Nope it's not proven yet, Paul - but I think we should let the comment slide - we have an extremely unusual and deadly flu starting in the Northern Hemisphere NOW? It's almost freakin MAY. That is enough to send up fireworks with red flags as it is. Warm, dry weather is not conducive to a normal flu epidemic......but, of course, the DNA of this flu is almost impossible, so it's not a normal one in the first place.

I am waiting to hear what Derek has to say before I pass judgment, though. He knows more than any of us probably know there is to know about flu virus so he's the most likely to know the ultimate possibilities of this being warfare vs. natural.

Get some sunshine people and drink your OJ (by the quarts).

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15 years ago

So Derek -in your estimation what is the likelihood that this is a manufactured rather than a natural virus? Or are you in a position you are not allowed to speak on the topic?

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thehypnotist 15 years ago

CDC-Swine Flu Has Killed In Mexico And Is Being Taken Seriously

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Conspiracy ? watch this youtube video

YouTube - EMERGENCY UPDATE: Avian Influenza H5N1

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Sal, I don't think it is a manufactured biological weapon, although it would be easy to do so. My reasoning is that it would be a very poor biological weapon since you will be hit as badly as your enemy.

As to whether it is actually a manufactured virus by design or accident, anything is possible. In fact, there is a strong suspicion that the present human H1N1 strain was released accidentally from a laboratory in 1977.

As a previous employee of the Hong Kong government, I am bound by their "Official Secrets Act". However, this would only apply to data at my last workplace.

By the way, Dr. Margaret Chan was my previous overall boss. She was widely condemned and pilloried for her handling of the SARS crisis. In fact, she was even censored by our legislature for incompetence. Her punishment?: she is now the director general of the WHO. Still, at least we have got someone who have got experience in handling this sort of crisis.

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David Maschke

15 years ago

Was that comment really necessary? Nothing has been proven, and certainly nowhere near "mass murder" or "genocide". I would say irresponsible at best, but clearly biased, unproven accusations with an agenda.

Yes, you are right Paul, I stand corrected. I would like to point out some interesting facts, but the rules of the forum state this is not the place.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by David Maschke

Yes, you are right Paul, I stand corrected. I would like to point out some interesting facts, but the rules of the forum state this is not the place.

Dave

Dave, I understand. The US has had an active biological warfare program since at least the 1940's, and other countries also are actively involved in escalated bio-weapons research. During the 1980s Iran-Iraq war, for example, the US supplied Iraq with toxic biological and chemical agents. Ronald Reagan signed a secret order to do "whatever is necessary and 'legal' to prevent Iraq from losing the war." A 1994 congressional inquiry later found that dozens of biological agents were shipped, including various strains of anthrax and precursors of nerve gas (like sarin), gangrene, and West Nile virus. Where are they now? No trace of them.

I don't mean to downplay the seriousness of this current outbreak, but things like this always brings out the nutcases crying conspiracy and monetizing it. Admittedly, it does seem suspicious, but whether it was truly a natural mutation, an accidental release or a planned attack remains to be seen.

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thehypnotist

15 years ago

interesting article
Influenza Pandemic Periodicity, Virus Recycling, and the Art of Risk Assessment

Art of Risk Assessment | CDC EID

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Tyrus Antas

15 years ago

It's getting serious, animal-to-human and human-human infection is happening. Who will save all those pigs? Won't somebody please think of the pigs?

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Originally Posted by Tyrus Antas

It's getting serious, animal-to-human and human-human infection is happening. Who will save all those pigs? Won't somebody please think of the pigs?

This is really not so unusual, and happens a lot more often than you might think. Most occurrences are never reported by the media, because it quickly gets hushed up by TPTB. A very common example is humans getting STD infections from sheep and vice versa. Think of all the sheep who are victims of our government officials.
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David Maschke

15 years ago

Derek,

Is there any way of determining mathematically the odds of the swine flu, bird flu, and human flu coming together in a country that has never had a flu outbreak like this before, at a time when the flu season reaches it's end?

And according to Indiana elements of the european and asian swine viruses?

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derekwong28

15 years ago

David, I can't really answer your question but it must be a very rare event. If this does develop into a pandemic, then all textbooks will have to be rewritten as this will go against all existing theories.

I have to retire for the night now. I am feeling really sick in the stomach. This brings back memories of the SARS crisis and the H5N1 outbreak in 1997. It was like that we were living under a cloud of death. Few people dared go out and most wore masks when they went out. Shopping centers and restaurants were empty. By all accounts, this looks much bigger than both of these crises

I will make contact with some ex-colleagues next week to see whether they have hard scientific information about this. You really cannot trust completely what is reported by the media at this stage.

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HeySal

15 years ago

Can't trust media - LMAO - nuff said. That's why we're asking YOU, Derek. Hahahaha.

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SWINE INFLUENZA OUTBREAK FORUM - FluTrackers

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It seems that ground zero has been found. There are several reports that a town near a swine farmland located in La Gloria, Perote, Veracruz, Mexico reported an unusual number (over 700) of people with influenza like symptoms. This happened early during april. There are some local media reports here:

El Dictamen --- Niegan virus de la Influenza en Perote
Niega SSA brote de influenza en Perote

Some bloggers are publishing a timeline for this infection. According to them, their source is a company called Veratect, but I have not been able to confirm this.

Biosurveillance: Swine Flu in Mexico- Timeline of Events

Veratect continues to process a dramatic increase in reporting on the situation in Mexico.

WHO requests access to the Veratect system. Veratect is aware of laboratory samples from Mexico are positive for "swine flu" H1N1, a novel virus. World media are now aware of the situation in Mexico. CDC issues a press statement, as does WHO.

Veratect notifies the private US clinical laboratory community and activates a Twitter feed (twitter.com/veratect) to enable more rapid updating of information.
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  Keep an eye on the news every hour if this is spreading you will hear
  nyc school 8 posible cases - Google Maps
  
  Up to 200 possibly infected with swine flu at Queens high school
  
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Biological terror attack likely by 2013, panel says - CNN.com

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Terrorists are likely to use a weapon of mass destruction somewhere in the world in the next five years, a blue-ribbon panel assembled by Congress has concluded.

Police watch over travelers at New York's Grand Central Terminal before Thanksgiving.

They are more likely to use a biological weapon than a nuclear one -- and the results could be devastating, the chairman of the commission told CNN.

"The consequences of a biological attack are almost beyond comprehension. It would be 9/11 times 10 or a hundred in terms of the number of people who would be killed," former Sen. Bob Graham said.

He cited the flu virus that killed millions of people in 1918 as an example.

"Today it is still in the laboratory, but if it should get out and into the hands of scientists who knew how to use it for a violent purpose, we could have multiple times the 40 million people who were killed 100 years ago," he said
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David Maschke

15 years ago

The maths...I have seen quoted...1 to the power of 10 natural "chance" combination

If my math is correct, that is one in a billion chance. not as high as i thought.

Up to 200 possibly infected with swine flu at Queens high school

Wow, that is fast moving. From one kid who was in mexico.

I'll try and find out how long the incubation period is.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by David Maschke

If my math is correct, that is one in a billion chance. not as high as i thought.

Wow, that is fast moving. From one kid who was in mexico.

I'll try and find out how long the incubation period is.

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Wow, 60 people? That's bad news.
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  Originally Posted by AltaMind
  
  Wow, 60 people? That's bad news.
  
  I think its upto 70 now
  
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  Colloquial
  Name
  Year (Subtype) Source
  
  Pandemics
  1918 Spanish flu Possible emergence from swine
  (1) (H1N1 viruses or an avian host of a mutated
  like swine flu) H1N1 virus
  1957 Asian flu Possible mixed infection of
  (2) (H2N2) an animal with human H1N1 and
  avian H2N2 virus strains in Asia
  1968 Hong Kong flu High probability of mixed
  (2) (H3N2) infection of an animal with
  human H2N2 and avian H3Nx virus
  strains in Asia
  1977 Russian flu Source unknown but virus is
  (3) (H1N1) almost identical to human
  epidemic strains from 1950.
  Reappearance detected at almost
  the same time in China and Siberia
  
  Incidents with limited spread
  1976 Swine flu United States/New Jersey. Virus
  (14) (H1N1) enzootic in U.S. swine herds
  since at least 1930
  1986 (H1N1) The Netherlands. Swine virus
  (5) derived from avian source
  1988 Swine flu United States/Wisconsin. Swine
  (6) (H1N1) virus
  1993 (H3N2) The Netherlands. Swine reassortant
  (7) between old human H3N2 (1973/75-
  like) and avian H1N1
  
  1995 (H7N7) United Kingdom Duck virus
  (8)
  1997 Chicken flu Hong Kong Poultry virus
  (19) (H5N1)
  
  Colloquial
  Name
  Year (Subtype) Impact
  
  Pandemics
  1918 Spanish flu Pandemic with >20 million deaths
  (1) (H1N1 viruses globally
  like swine flu)
  1957 Asian flu Pandemic, H1N1virus disappeared
  (2) (H2N2)
  
  1968 Hong Kong flu Pandemic, H2N2 virus
  (2) (H3N2) disappeared
  
  1977 Russian flu Benign pandemic, primarily
  (3) (H1N1) involving persons born after the
  1950s. H1N1 virus has
  cocirculated with H3N2 virus in
  humans since 1977
  
  Incidents with limited spread
  1976 Swine flu Localized outbreak in military
  (14) (H1N1) training camp, with one death
  
  1986 (H1N1) One adult with severe pneumonia
  (5)
  1988 Swine flu Pregnant woman died after
  (6) (H1N1) exposure to sick pig
  1993 (H3N2) Two children with mild disease.
  (7) Fathers suspected to have
  transmitted the virus to the
  children after having been infected
  by pigs.
  1995 (H7N7) One adult with conjunctivitis
  (8)
  1997 Chicken flu 18 confirmed human case, 6
  (19) (H5N1) deaths
  Novel Influenza Viruses without Pandemics
  
  In addition to true pandemics, false alarms--emergences of a novel strain with few cases and little human transmissibility (Table)--have occurred. Several involved "swine influenza viruses" (4-6) antigenically related to viruses circulating in some pig populations and linked to viruses of the 1918 pandemic (see below). These unusual infections may be more common than reported, as laboratory diagnosis for influenza is rarely undertaken in the absence of unusual illness or association with an outbreak.
  
  Thats scary
  1918 Spanish flu Possible emergence from swine
  (1) (H1N1 viruses or an avian host of a mutated
  like swine flu) H1N1 virus
  
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  If you keep refreshing this page on google maps watch the view count shoot up,this must mean lots of people are starting to research it
  H1N1 Swine Flu - Google Maps
  
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  UK crew member in hospital after Mexico flight
  
  LONDON (Reuters) - A British Airways cabin crew member was taken to a London hospital as a precaution after developing flu-like symptoms on a flight from Mexico City, the airline said Saturday.
  
  It was the first such reported precautionary measure in Britain since the emergence of a new flu...
  
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  Fort Detrick disease samples may be missing
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  Previous Swine Flu Outbreak Originated At Fort Dix
  March 24, 1976: Ford Orders Swine-Flu Shots for All
  
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  Do your OWN research, don't trust talking heads, what people "say", etc.,
  
  Simply check the stats on how many the flu, different types, etc. kill Americans and/or others per year, before all these epidemics, NORMALLY.
  
  NO disease, no matter WHAT kind can effect you until the mucous membrane has been comprimised.
  
  They what to scare folks INTO some type of action, don't buy it.
  
  You get a "shot" or medicine, you may be getting MORE than you bargin for.
  
  Not to say you should not use medical care, YOU must decide if it is necessary, NOT what "they" say, this forum can teach you how to be an "expert", even if you are not, trust your own judgement, because professionals are very "professional" at getting one to do something that is entirely UNNECESSARY.
  
  The mucous membrane can only be comprimised thru either outright biological weapons(injested or caustic chemicals on or in the body), or what we eat, our diet.
  
  The most militant vegan, vegitarian , fruitarian .....believe it, or not, is not eating propertly....better than most, but are still violating natural laws for human beings, mostly.
  
  If you don't know that a carrot is a laboratory, man-made, hybridized, un-natural plant that simply and scientifically CANNOT do what a plant that GOD made can do, and for ANY percieved benefit you may encounter with it, it is SIMULTANEOUSLY undermining ANY benefit it gives you, you need more of your personal , independant research to find the truth about TRUE botany and human biochemistry.
  
  Like eating a mango laced with minute doses of arsenic.....it eventually will have a dire effect, despite its benefits.
  
  Phase 6 swine flu alert= empty your wallet, pass more draconian laws, taxes, rules, make more corporate profits, and get a good , death-grip on your ankles.
  
  Good luck to the real, truth seekers.
  
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More cases of swine flu reported; WHO warns of 'health emergency'
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KANSAS CITY, April 25 (Reuters) - Two Kansans have been sickened by a new flu that health officials fear could turn into a pandemic, one after traveling to Mexico, officials said on Saturday
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N25477363.htm
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  New flu has spread widely, cannot be contained-CDC 25 Apr 2009 17:45:00 GMT
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  WASHINGTON, April 25 (Reuters) - An unusual new flu virus has spread widely and cannot be contained, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed on Saturday.
  
  "It is clear that this is widespread. And that is why we have let you know that we cannot contain the spread of this virus," the CDC's Dr. Anne Schuchat told reporters on a conference call.
  
  The strain of swine flu is suspected of killing as many as 68 people in Mexico and infecting more than 1,000 more, including eight in the United States. (Reporting by Maggie Fox, editing by Patricia Zengerle)
  
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mcnotony 15 years ago

it's a pity that swine fever didn't just kill swine.
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Star69

15 years ago

Okay, so we have a bad bug and it is spreading from one person to another through the air.

Something is going to kill each of us before we get out of this life, what does it matter what it is? Better swine flu than the ebola virus. I prefer to keep the blood in my body. It's less messy that way.

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valerieSONORA 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Star69

Draw up your will...

And leave everything to me like Star has

The way it's spreading I may have to hide in my bubble again. Need to stock pile stuff so I won't have to go out for a looooong time. But I can't rollerblade indoors what a pity And can't enjoy fresh air and sunshine from my bubble There are many ways to die, but I dont wanna die by flu. I wanna die painlessly in my sleep :p I don't think it's reached my state yet, but getting my bubble ready.
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DonKon

15 years ago

hope it dont reach canada, but all it takes is one person to bring it here

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myob 15 years ago

Originally Posted by DonKon

hope it dont reach canada, but all it takes is one person to bring it here

This virus will be spread globally.
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  Concerning public health measures, in line with the Regulations the Director-General is recommending, on the advice of the Committee, that all countries intensify surveillance for unusual outbreaks of influenza-like illness and severe pneumonia.
  
  The Committee further agreed that more information is needed before a decision could be made concerning the appropriateness of the current phase 3.
  
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Lloyd Buchinski

15 years ago

Well, it looks like it just hit New York.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/wo...u.html?_r=1&hp

Hopefully if it tries to cross our southern border, it will freeze permanently.

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gareth

15 years ago

Blaaah big deal - if it was 60,000 there might be a problem.

If it was 600,000 there would be a problem.

If it was 6,000,000 there would really be a problem

but its not.

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myob

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Originally Posted by gareth

Blaaah big deal - if it was 60,000 there might be a problem.

If it was 600,000 there would be a problem.

If it was 6,000,000 there would really be a problem

but its not.

Gareth, the virus is coming to a city near you...

Auckland, New Zealand students show Swine Flu symptoms

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by gundammeister

Forgot to say. Thanks for the map. I was searching for that

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Aids,
sars,
bird flu,
anthrax powder... etc

None of these put a remote dent in the worlds population. Probably car accidents are much worse.

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serious stuff - stock up on vitamins!

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myob 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Emmick

serious stuff - stock up on vitamins!

People are really scared. My staff is working around the clock getting the word out by mailing out CDC and WHO bulletin fliers. Also we have been placing ads in newspapers and calling our customers with these alerts. This has resulted in soaring sales in my offline health food store.
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  My thanks to Derek and all the others who are posting useful information. I am not going to panic, it's not my style. Yet it is good to know of all preventive actions we can take to avoid this virus.
  
  My impression is that it's fabricated. Why have we never heard of this strain of flu before?
  
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  Originally Posted by ConcordeWarrior
  
  My impression is that it's fabricated. Why have we never heard of this strain of flu before?
  
  LOL! It is not so unusual for virus strains to mutate naturally. That is why they are so difficult to eradicate. Various animal viruses are common all over the planet, which are otherwise not harmful to humans, but do mutate into strains that are harmful or dangerous to humans that don't have adequate immuno defenses. And you find people, birds, poultry, ducks, and pigs together all over the world also, which frequently share influenza strains. It will be interesting to see what the research turns up on the evolution of this particular strain, but only because they don't yet have the story.
  
  I remember when the engineered avian flu and SARS was designed to try to kill off the world's population. All those countless threads on conspiracy forums decrying the end was nigh and we would all die by this Illuminati, NWO, or boogeyman engineered virus. They were wrong, as usual. And they will be wrong about this one, as usual. I don't know why conspiracy theorists (as you are most certainly alluding) just seem to enjoy the thought of plotters of doom for some reason. Looks like someone has been reading too much of Alex Jones.
  
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derekwong28

15 years ago

Before you ge too blase about it Gareth, It looks like it is right at your doorstep now in New Zealand.

Students quarantined as flu emergency goes global - CNN.com

I assure you if a real pandemic occurs, 60,000 deaths would be at the very lower end of estimates.

I tried to warn others in the main WF section but they move my thread to the OT. But this has got to do with making money as well. In 2003, just the SARS outbreak alone was enough to cause a recession in Hong Kong. Now we are already in a recession, we are facing a potential double whammy. Of course, if you are dead, you won't be able to make any money.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

Before you ge too blase about it Gareth, It looks like it is right at your doorstep now in New Zealand.

Students quarantined as flu emergency goes global - CNN.com

I assure you if a real pandemic occurs, 60,000 deaths would be at the very lower end of estimates.

I tried to warn others in the main WF section but they move my thread to the OT. But this has got to do with making money as well. In 2003, just the SARS outbreak alone was enough to cause a recession in Hong Kong. Now we are already in a recession, we are facing a potential double whammy. Of course, if you are dead, you won't be able to make any money.

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

Can't it be stopped before reaching a pandemic?

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15 years ago

Valerie, it is definitely possible but that would probably mean extremely tough quarrantine measures, crowd control measures, hygine improvement, screening for travellers and possibly travel restrictions to affected countries. The WHO and other health authorities would definitely be aiming to nip this in the bud.

The effect on the travel industry, restaurants, shopping malls and trade in general would be enormous. It would take a lot of political will for this to be imposed. Just the SARS crisis alone was enough to cause a recesson in Hong Kong in 2003. Basically, a lot of normal economic activity would be at a standstill.

During the SARS crisis, we all thought that the virus would stay with us permanently but in the end it dissappeared. Therefore it is completely possible that this virus can be stopped this time although it will be probably be much tougher.

If you are thinking of travelling overseas for the summer holidays. You should be prepared for the possibility that your plans may be adversely affected as other countries take tough measures against visitors from the U.S. and Mexico. During the SARS outbreak in 2003, my mother was due to go to Russia for a holiday but the tour was cancelled at the request of the Russian authorities.

Nichepro, you have a point but there is one difference. Your figure of 40,000 refers to people who are mainly old and infirm and who may die from other causes anyway. The current outbreak appears to be killing healthy young adults. It is certainly very easy to overeact but nobody knows at this point how bad it can get. 20-40 million people were killed, most of them young adults in the great influenza pandemic of 1918-9.

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Bakai

15 years ago

This is going to cause wide spread panic fast i think. guess what you are going to find at your local grocery store in a day or two (if not less): empty shelves.

I am going to stock up on canned foods, bottled water, and ammo first thing today. If it is not too late...

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

Does anyone think there will be another pandemic like the Spanish flu that killed millions in the early 1900s?

Today we have a lot more scientific knowledge, hygeine knowledge, etc than back then. There might be nothing to get on that scale again.

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Fernando Veloso

15 years ago

Flu already in France. This is not good. Not good at all.

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derekwong28

15 years ago

I have to very careful here. Although I am not really bound by what I can say about this anymore, it is still posssible that I may get nasty phone calls from my previous colleagues telling me to shut up.

As I alluded to previously, economic and political considerations must be taken out of account in order to combat this effectively. Therefore, I am rather surprised and dissapointed that a travel warning has not been issued against Mexico.

It is really like as if we are watching a film such as "outbreak" right now. There seem to be new developments every half hour or so.

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15 years ago

Mi goodness, we should all be careful. It's spreading pretty fast.

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Originally Posted by nichepros

I wouldnt pay much attention to these news reports that are coming out.

I can pretty much guarantee that the New York school pupils wont have this flu, that will almost certainly turn out to be a false alarm.

Now that people have seen news reports there'll be lots of people thinking they have the symptoms of this flu when in reality all they have is a bad cold or just regular flu.

News reports will cause a lot of paranoia thats for sure. I imagine the hospitals will be a lot busier than usual.

The New York Case have just been confirmed.

The Associated Press: Swine flu confirmed in NYC high school students

David, the incubation period is usually a few days. What we really need to know is whether people can transmit the virus during the incubation period. If so, it is going to be very difficult to control the virus.

We also need to know whether there are any mild or asymptomatic cases. Right now in Mexico, the mortality rate is reported to be around 5% out of just over a thousand infections. However, it is possible that the actual number of people infected is much higher than that. This may explain why so far the case in the US are very mild.

The WHO is going to convene a meeting on tuesday. They will decide whether or not to raise the pandemic alarm then

In previous known pandemics i.e.

H1N1 1918
H2N2 1957
H3N2 1968
(The reappearance of H1N1 in 1977 did not lead to a real pandemic, as people born before 1957 had antibodies against it)

Everyone on earth is infected eventually because the virus stays after the pandemic. It may not happen during the year of the pandemic but you will be infected eventually, usually multiple times throughout your life. I can guarantee that you will find antibodies to H3N2 and H1N1 viruss in your blood right now.

Now if the the mortality rate remains at 5% and you know you are going to be infected many times, would you be concerned? Fortunately, this is not going to happen and I hope that this swine H1N1 strain will not lead to a pandemic. My hope is that even if it turns into a pandemic, the vast majority of cases will be mild, just like the cases in the U.S.

But I just want to illustrate why this is taken so seriously by the WHO and all the health authorities around the world. By the way, AIDS killed 2 million people in 2007 and I certainly would not consider that to be a minor cause of death.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Indiana

Here we go Derek...You will love this one.

Criminal Charges Over the 'Swine Flu' To Be Biled in Austria On Monday >> Four Winds 10 - fourwinds10.com

Regards...Indy

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David Maschke

15 years ago

Derek,

With the regular human flu, how long can someone walk around passing along the virus before that person starts showing symptoms?

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HeySal

15 years ago

Too much info flowing in both the negative and positive to tell what is going on - but if Derek says we need to watch out - I would suggest we do so. He has no reason to mislead us - and politicians are not the best source of intelligent or accurate information.

What bothers me is the suggestion of "forced treatment". I don't mind being quarantined in an emergency, but they can take their "treatments" and shove them where the sun don't shine. I'm gonna be real fussy about what I let them put in my body - and as far as I am concerned, I still own the right to my own biologyl. There have been too many "treatments" which have been tainted - -and even the FDA warns against Tamiflu which has caused many deaths, which ironically are because of adverse psychological effects instead of the toxic crap they make it with. It seems that people taking the stuff have these uncontrollable urges to run in front of cars and jump from windows. If the FDA is warning about it (under their breath because of Rumfeld's company's funding to them) it seems that everyone should worry about it. They are completely silent about the Deadliness of Monsanto because of Monsanto's funding even though there are real problems caused by their products and much outrage being expressed by farmers and others (victims of roundup) and the EPA.

The outbreak in 1918 took 20 mil or more -- but we must remember that the population was about 1/10th back then of what it is now - and transportation wasn't the global highway it is today. The one city it is really being reported in right now is itself the amount of people the virus of 1918 killed. NY city is around 10 mil and I doubt there was a full mil there in 1918. It would stand to reason that the way we have bred and packed our cities into several mil apiece that we could expect absolutely wildly staggering figures in an influenza attack with populations at 7 billion (well, maybe 6 bil - there's a billion starving to death worldwide right now). A flu reaching 40% mortality rate - figure it out.

And NO transportation centers have been closed yet - even in the main city of the reported concentration of the attack. This is either an indication that someone is telling some stories, or we are facing the most deadly mismanagement of a possibly pandemic occurrence that millions, possibly billions, will live to see. You can walk around with flu for quite some time before you show signs of it so if the infection is real, it really is too late to contain it. How many cars, buses, trains, planes, and boats have left Mexico since the outbreak became a concern a few days ago?

On another note -- After reading one of the Mexican worker's reports from Mexico, we now know why companies want to go there. A doctor reported he only had the flu so he was forced to go back to work? FORCED to work with the flu? I call that Company a slave holder. Vile, greedy, torturous and stupid beyond human reasoning. No wonder they don't want to be in America where people are at least still given the right to lay down, and in fact, encouraged to stay away from work when sick to avoid spreading contagion.

Taking 1500 mg of ascorbic acid per day til this all goes away - and thanking myself for moving to a less populated area of the country.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Too much info flowing in both the negative and positive to tell what is going on - but if Derek says we need to watch out - I would suggest we do so. He has no reason to mislead us - and politicians are not the best source of intelligent or accurate information.

What bothers me is the suggestion of "forced treatment". I don't mind being quarantined in an emergency, but they can take their "treatments" and shove them where the sun don't shine. I'm gonna be real fussy about what I let them put in my body - and as far as I am concerned, I still own the right to my own biologyl. There have been too many "treatments" which have been tainted - -and even the FDA warns against Tamiflu which has caused many deaths, which ironically are because of adverse psychological effects instead of the toxic crap they make it with. It seems that people taking the stuff have these uncontrollable urges to run in front of cars and jump from windows. If the FDA is warning about it (under their breath because of Rumfeld's company's funding to them) it seems that everyone should worry about it. They are completely silent about the Deadliness of Monsanto because of Monsanto's funding even though there are real problems caused by their products and much outrage being expressed by farmers and others (victims of roundup) and the EPA.

The outbreak in 1918 took 20 mil or more -- but we must remember that the population was about 1/10th back then of what it is now - and transportation wasn't the global highway it is today. The one city it is really being reported in right now is itself the amount of people the virus of 1918 killed. NY city is around 10 mil and I doubt there was a full mil there in 1918. It would stand to reason that the way we have bred and packed our cities into several mil apiece that we could expect absolutely wildly staggering figures in an influenza attack with populations at 7 billion (well, maybe 6 bil - there's a billion starving to death worldwide right now). A flu reaching 40% mortality rate - figure it out.

And NO transportation centers have been closed yet - even in the main city of the reported concentration of the attack. This is either an indication that someone is telling some stories, or we are facing the most deadly mismanagement of a possibly pandemic occurrence that millions, possibly billions, will live to see. You can walk around with flu for quite some time before you show signs of it so if the infection is real, it really is too late to contain it. How many cars, buses, trains, planes, and boats have left Mexico since the outbreak became a concern a few days ago?

On another note -- After reading one of the Mexican worker's reports from Mexico, we now know why companies want to go there. A doctor reported he only had the flu so he was forced to go back to work? FORCED to work with the flu? I call that Company a slave holder. Vile, greedy, torturous and stupid beyond human reasoning. No wonder they don't want to be in America where people are at least still given the right to lay down, and in fact, encouraged to stay away from work when sick to avoid spreading contagion.

Taking 1500 mg of ascorbic acid per day til this all goes away - and thanking myself for moving to a less populated area of the country.

NYC was already quite populated between 1910 and 1920 as these demographics show Demographics of New York City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The current seasonal flu vaccine is not believed to offer any protection against the new strain, but the anti-viral drug Tamiflu appears to be effective.
Jose Angel Cordova, Mexico's health secretary, said the country has enough Tamiflu to treat one million people - only one in 20 people in greater Mexico City alone - and that the medicine will be strictly controlled.
In Mexico City, fear surged through the population of 20 million yesterday.
Froylan Velarde, nervously fingering a blue mask that covered his mouth and nose, hurriedly shoved suitcases into his car.
"I'm taking my family and getting out of here right now. Basically, we are running for our lives," said the 48-year-old engineer.
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15 years ago

you got it! it's just bad news. the media are selling you a story which is good tv. gets more people watching the news which in turn raises advertising revenues. that's the way it is.

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Originally Posted by Indiana

You have more chance of being struck by lighting sitting in your home than you do of contracting...Piggy flu...Bonne retour...Bisou...Indy

I did not say this was "Piggy flu". It is a strain that has obviously mutated for transmission by human to human contact. Just be patient and see what further research turns up. As I said in the previous post, "It will be interesting to see what the research turns up on the evolution of this particular strain, but only because they don't yet have the story."
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If you took out all the B.S posts, there would only be about 11 left. (Derek's)

Originally Posted by Indiana

What you mean yours would evaporate as well Paul...Careful now...LOL...Indy

LOL! Yes of course, mine too! (Especially mine) Afterall, aren't we all ultimately just bull shitters here? I come in for the beer and great conversations, but I don't really take anything seriously in this forum. QED
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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

Now be honest myob. You take Indy seriously and you know it!!! Don't try to pretend otherwise!!! Your slogan is Viva le Indy!

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Now be honest myob. You take Indy seriously and you know it!!! Don't try to pretend otherwise!!! Your slogan is Viva le Indy!

Moi? I love Indy. It's just that .... well we disagree .... on everything.

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Dave Patterson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

Moi? I love Indy. It's just that .... well we disagree .... on everything.

I think you can both agree with THAT!

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Good Morning, just to post an update.

All hell has broken loose here in Hong Kong. The authorities have imposed draconian control measures on visitors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/wo...ia/27kong.html

"Officials urged residents not to travel to Mexico, and they ordered the immediate detention at a hospital of anyone who arrived with a fever and symptoms of a respiratory illness after traveling in the previous seven days through a city with a laboratory-confirmed outbreak."

What this means is that for example, if you have just arrived from New York and have been found to have a fever. You will be detained immediately and taken to a hospital for observation. You will be kept there until you have been proved not to be infected by the virus.

Essentially it means that you will be detained for at least 3 days. The effect on the travel industry is going to be horrendous. Airline and hotel stocks are being hit badly right now.

I have just been in contact with my past colleagues. They told me that they are setting up protocols for the testing the virus. It seems that there is very little scientific information available at the moment.

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swine...s_20090425.pdf

It seems the nucleic acid sequences that have just been published in this private GISAID database.

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swine...s_20090425.pdf

The website they recommend for breaking news is

Pandemic Information News

It seems that the all important haemagglutinin (H1) gene is from N. American Swine. As the virus has 8 gene fragments, I will try to get an update on the origins of the 7 other fragements.

I know a lot of people are very suspicious on the origins of this virus. I am not a veterinary virologist although my understanding is that reassortant viruses of this sort are quite common in pigs. But the vast majority of times, they do not infect humans. Pigs are known as a "mixing vessel" for influenza viruse from different animals. The H3N2 virus of 1968, and H2N2 virus of 1957 probably arose in pigs as well due to a mixing of bird and human viruses.

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ConcordeWarrior

15 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

Good Morning, just to post an update.
All hell has broken loose here in Hong Kong. The authorities have imposed draconian control measures on visitors.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/wo...ia/27kong.html

US says not testing travelers from Mexico for flu
26 Apr 2009 17:19:55 GMT
Source: Reuters
WASHINGTON, April 26 (Reuters) - The United States is not testing airplane travelers from Mexico for the swine flu virus that has heightened fears of a possible pandemic, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said on Sunday.

"Right now we don't think the facts warrant more active testing or screening of passengers coming in from Mexico," she said at a White House briefing.

(Editing by Patricia Zengerle)

Reuters AlertNet - US says not testing travelers from Mexico for flu

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15 years ago

WTF...

Flu Bug

If you sell crack, join a gang, or rob the mob you can expect to die a violent death, but if you listen to your mother, eat all the right foods, and study hard in college to become a microbiologist, you should expect to live to a ripe old age and die peacefully.

Jolly Roger: Flu Bug

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derekwong28

15 years ago

I have managed to find further information about the new virus, all were taken from this url

Pandemic Information News: 4/19/09 - 4/26/09

It contains "some North American swine, some North American avian, one human influenza, and two Eurasian swine."

"It's a real mutt," Walter Dowdle, who in worked in the CDC's virology unit during a major swine flu outbreak in 1976, told the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy's daily newsletter yesterday. "When you have an evolving RNA mechanism, it's hard to be surprised by anything," said Dowdle, who now works with the Task Force for Child Survival and Development, based in Atlanta.

'The unusual strain this year was noticed, Dr. Schuchat said, only because the agency was trying out a new diagnostic test at a Navy laboratory and doing more testing than usual through a new Border Infectious Disease Surveillance Project along the Mexican border."

We have been through SARS and don't want to go through this again. Therefore these measures could well turn out to be an overkill.

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thehypnotist 15 years ago

I have 10 boxes of tamiflu that I aquired when the birdflu
I have been to the city stores to inquire about mask the,I was looking for N95 standard and the local pharmacy had one mask which that had from the bird flu scare

My model is a 3m en149 2001 FFP3
http://www.surgical-face-masks.co.uk/surgical/3m.pdf

I have just ordered 3 more from the pharmacy

cost $20 each and can be used more than once
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ConcordeWarrior

15 years ago

I think the Tokyo Narita Airport authorities are clever to screen passengers coming in from Mexico.

Why is it that the US Airports authorities are not doing the same thing? Do they want more people contaminated?

I have a several hours long layover at Washington Dulles airport in a couple of days. I am not going to stay in the terminal, neither will I even stay in the United Red Carpet Club lounges. I will go outside of the airport to somewhere by public transport and keep out until I am within the time limit to board my flight to Argentina later in the evening.

There are no suspected cases of "swine flu" in Argentina for the time being but I think they will get inside the country sooner or later, most probably through Air Travellers.

Now this is interesting. Look what I found on the United site

United Airlines - Travel waivers

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15 years ago

Expiring drugs

Canada's national emergency stockpile, which is meant to act as a backup to the larger stockpile, currently contains 14 million doses, enough to treat about 1.4 million people. Relenza makes up just under 30 per cent of those supplies. King says an additional two million doses of antivirals will be added this year.

"This upcoming year we'll be purchasing a little bit more zanamivir and a little bit more amantadine," she says.

As well as adding drugs, authorities are now facing decisions about what to do with expiring drugs. Some of the supplies in the stockpiles have reached their expiration date or will do so this year and next.

"The replacement strategies right now are being considered and acted on by each of the jurisdictions that have expiring stock," King says.

In the national emergency stockpile alone, enough drugs to treat roughly 275,000 people will have reached their expiration date by 2010-2011. King says the federal government is looking at a variety of strategies, including approving an extension of Tamiflu's shelf-life.

Tamiflu was originally sold with a five-year shelf-life, but Roche has data showing the drug is still active at seven years.

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15 years ago

H1N1 Swine Flu
H1N1 Swine flu in 2009
Pink markers are suspect
Purple markers are confirmed
Deaths lack a dot in marker
Yellow markers are negative
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Pandemic influenza preparedness and response
WHO guidance document released Apr 26
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/influ...Guidance09.pdf
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ConcordeWarrior

15 years ago

Is Tamiflu efficient against this new "swine flu" strain?

I would buy lots of Roche stocks if I had the money.

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15 years ago

(WHO) to activate its 24-hour "war room" command centre.

GENEVA (Reuters) - The Strategic Health Operations Centre -- nicknamed the "SHOC room" or war room" -- has kicked into high gear, staffed round-the-clock by experts fighting a new flu virus spreading in Mexico and the United States

WHO's war room in high gear after flu outbreaks | Top News | Reuters

the United Nations agency has activated its Strategic Health Operations Centre (SHOC)

There over 1900 cases of the swine flu reported in Mexico and many are dieing. There's some cases reported in LA--A pandemic may be on its way....

The United Nations agency also said it had activated its Strategic Health Operations Centre (SHOC) -- its command and control centre for acute public health events - - but could not say whether it was considering issuing a travel advisory.

Description: The SHOC is the nerve centre of WHO's global epidemic response providing a single point of coordination for response to acute public health crises including infectious disease outbreaks, natural disasters and chemical emergencies. It is the hub of alert and response operations, combining the latest in information and communications technologies to support field operations and facilitate collaboration with Member States and technical partners in external networks such as the Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network (GOARN)

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15 years ago

World Stocks Tumble as Flu Fears Spread

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/...er=rss&emc=rss

World stocks tumbled on Monday, after seven weeks of gains, and oil and the euro fell as concerns intensified the spread of swine flu, which has killed more than 100 people in Mexico, would hit the global economy.

Travel and leisure-related stocks tumbled while the Mexican peso fell 2 percent against the dollar as the World Health Organization warned the flu, which has spread to the United States and possibly as far as New Zealand, has the potential to cause a worldwide pandemic.

"A nasty chill will run through the market with swine flu as people think back to the SARS virus," said Justin Urquhart Stewart, investment director at Seven Investment Management.

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15 years ago

EU warning: Don't travel to U.S., Mexico - Infectious diseases- msnbc.com

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Originally Posted by thehypnotist

EU warning: Don't travel to U.S., Mexico - Infectious diseases- msnbc.com

Maybe there will be lots of empty seats on my flights to Washington Dulles and Buenos Aires this coming Wednesday and even more empty seats on the way back 3 days later. I have long airport layovers but I can always go somewhere outside of the terminals.

I don't think I am going to let them scare me.
Being careful, yes, but buying into the hype, NO.
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thehypnotist

15 years ago

Maybe you should also track this map
Swine Flu: Map Tracking Worldwide Cases Following Influenza Outbreak In Mexico

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U.S. pandemic plans call for military quarantines, forced vaccinations: ACLU 14 Jan 2008

U.S. policy in preparing for a potential bird flu pandemic is veering dangerously toward a heavy-handed law-enforcement approach [police state], the American Civil Liberties Union said on Monday. The ACLU said it was worried that the plan called for military and police involvement in enforcing a quarantine. "Pandemic planning today tends to emphasize mandatory vaccination and forced treatment," the ACLU's Tania Simoncelli told a news conference. "It also means that sick people are being treated as criminals and enemies of the state rather than individuals in need of care." [See: DoD to 'augment civilian law' during pandemic or bioterror attack --Is Bush is getting ready to play the Bioterror Card? 11 May 2007.]
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  BBC NEWS | UK | Tourists warned off flu areas
  
  UK tourists have been warned against travel to areas with swine flu by the EU Health Commissioner.
  The advice comes after an emergency meeting of European health ministers in response to the outbreak in Mexico.
  The Department of Health (DoH) has said surveillance arrangements are being "stepped up" in the UK ready for a possible outbreak.
  About 103 people in Mexico are thought to have died after contracting it, but there have been no deaths elsewhere.
  EU Health Commissioner Androulla Vassiliou said: "I'd try to avoid non-essential travel to the areas which are reported to be in the centre of the cluster in order to minimise the personal risk and to reduce the potential risk to spread the infection to other people."
  Officials said the UK should expect to see an outbreak of the virus, and Health Secretary Alan Johnson is expected to make a statement in the House of Commons on Monday.
  
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ConcordeWarrior

15 years ago

Originally Posted by thehypnotist

Maybe you should also track this map
Swine Flu: Map Tracking Worldwide Cases Following Influenza Outbreak In Mexico

Oh I am not worried. I could get run over by a truck down my avenue.
I am not going to let them scare me.

Too much scaremongering I think thy are over-inflating this.
This is not a good sign. Maybe this virus was fabricated so they can declare martial law in the U.S. and E.U.

I am going to go on my trip whether they like it or not.
Maybe I will have whole economy class cabins all to myself all the way and back. LOL

Buenos Aires here I come! :-)

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thehypnotist

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ConcordeWarrior

Oh I am not worried. I could get run over by a truck down my avenue.
I am not going to let them scare me.

Too much scaremongering I think thy are over-inflating this.
This is not a good sign. Maybe this virus was fabricated so they can declare martial law in the U.S. and E.U.

I am going to go on my trip whether they like it or not.
Maybe I will have whole economy class cabins all to myself all the way and back. LOL

Buenos Aires here I come! :-)

I feel for you,I have to travel to spain on the 5th of may working with tourist but if they have a travel ban I will have no money to feed my familly

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Originally Posted by thehypnotist

I have to travel to spain on the 5th of may working with tourist but if they have a travel ban I will have no money to feed my familly

I will say go to Spain and do your work with the tourists. :-)
I don't see why the EU authorities should keep you from going there.
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thehypnotist

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ConcordeWarrior

Oh I am not worried. I could get run over by a truck down my avenue.
I am not going to let them scare me.

Too much scaremongering I think thy are over-inflating this.
This is not a good sign. Maybe this virus was fabricated so they can declare martial law in the U.S. and E.U.

I am going to go on my trip whether they like it or not.
Maybe I will have whole economy class cabins all to myself all the way and back. LOL

Buenos Aires here I come! :-)

Argentina: One Suspected Swine Influenza Case Reported in Ezeiza, Buenos Aires Province

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Originally Posted by thehypnotist

Argentina: One Suspected Swine Influenza Case Reported in Ezeiza, Buenos Aires Province

Nothing showing on the world map in Argentina. Seems that the map is constantly updated. Must not be the "swine flu".

Looks like there are a couple suspected "swine flu" cases in Chile though. Airports would be the critical spots with thousands of people mixing. Some travellers might be infected without knowing.

A question for Derek: Is there any idea yet if these new "swine flu" virus strains are natural or if they could be "man made"? Thanks.

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David Maschke

15 years ago

Clicked thru a link provided by Derek, and here is a quote provided by the site...

The truth is that mortality is even higher than what is being reported by the authorities, at least in the hospital where I work it. It is killing three to four patients daily, and it has been going on for more than three weeks

That was from this link... Pandemic Information News

Derek said not to believe everything we hear in the mainstream media. I think I take that advice to heart.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by David Maschke

Clicked thru a link provided by Derek, and here is a quote provided by the site...

That was from this link... Pandemic Information News

Derek said not to believe everything we hear in the mainstream media. I think I take that advice to heart.

David, that blog appears to be an aggregate of news from the mainstream media. It seems there is very little factual scientific information available at the moment, even to professionals working in laboratories worldwide.

The chances either this outbreak will either begin to die down within a few weeks, or it will stay with us. We are going into summer right now and that is supposed to limit the spread of the virus. If this outbreak had occurred a few months earlier in winter, I would be far less optimistic. I just can't how these emergency measures can be maintained indefintely without destroying the economy worldwide. The potential economic damage runs into trillions of dollars.

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David Maschke

15 years ago

so what we have is mainstream media saying don't trust mainstream media.

Does not compute, does not compute, overload, overload :confused::confused:

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Originally Posted by David Maschke

so what we have is mainstream media saying don't trust mainstream media.

Does not compute, does not compute, overload, overload :confused::confused:

In the case, I believe that it is the mainstream media that is questioning the official statistics. There may a ring of truth in it. The WHO is coming very hard on Mexico to verify their cases carefully. It could take many days before confirmatory results are available. Sometimes with a few cases, you may not be able to get laboratory confirmation at all.

Morover, a key test used in PCR (polymerase chain reaction) that detects the germ by amplifying its gene billions of times. It is so sensitive that it is very easy to contaminate samples from patients who are not infected. Therefore there is a real risk we may misdiagnose patients who are not infected. We saw this problem with the SARS outbreak. The WHO would be absolutely keen on to make certain that the laboratory tests performed in Mexico are up to its standards.

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David Maschke

15 years ago

Just thought of something Derek,

Looked up the average temp for the last few months -- it was close to 80 degrees F. And it's still spreading. That can't be good. At least from an uneducated point of view, high temps won't slow the rate of spreading in the near future in the northern hemisphere.

Can see the average temp highs and lows here...

Average Weather for Mexico City, DF - Temperature and Precipitation

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Kyle L Hannah

15 years ago

That third video posted on the first page of this thread by thehypnotist is complete bullshit. Don't buy into that crap...

The outbreak panic is exactly what "they" want to have happen. So your best bet here is to relax and just continue as normal.

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freestylenews

15 years ago

I think is just another mass media creation. remember the h5n1, Chinese bird flu? in my country they kill almost all chickens and other birds. for nothing. now we import all foods from south America. And even china.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by freestylenews

I think is just another mass media creation. remember the h5n1, Chinese bird flu? in my country they kill almost all chickens and other birds. for nothing. now we import all foods from south America. And even china.
Don`t panic, is natural.

Welcome to the forum, new member from Romania! :-)

People are starting to be very afraid of this new virus strain. This is because they are watching too much TV and they believe all that they are told by the mainstream media.

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HeySal

15 years ago

People - be careful with that Tamiflu. Donald Rumsfeld's company is involved with funding of the FDA, and even THEY think it is suspect. It causes psychotic reactions - many people who have walked in front of cars or jumped from windows after use. Check the ingredients as well. Thanks - I'll take my chances with virus before that goes in MY body.

40 cases of this flu has been reported in the US -- NOBODY has died from it.

America will not shut the Mexican border. Period. This rogue government refuses to shut the border for ANY reason even though the citizens have been petitioning them for years now - in large masses to do so, and despite the large amounts of problems and dangers the illegals crossing are causing.

Actually - After Katrina, and in light of recent political unrest, I think that our citizens would be nervous about martial actions against this flu unless it starts actually killing a lot of people here. However, you are going to see some very angry citizens about the border issue - we're already fighting mad about that one.

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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

Eww Donald Rumsfield? I won't need any tamiflu when I can just hide in my bubble.

I remember the "killer few" a few years back. Oh it might have even been THREE YEARS, no it was more than that. But I signed up to volunteer at the hospital but they said they weren't taking any volunteers currently because of the killer flu and they were afraid I might get it.

I won't be worried unless hundreds of healthy young adults start dropping dead from it in USA.

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15 years ago

This is going to hit the economy hard. As if things werent bad enough. Crikey!!! Lets just hope it doesnt spread everywhere!!

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Finally, we are now acknowledge to be the world experts on emergencies like this!

Hong Kong may provide answers to disease threat - CNN.com

I am proud to have played a role in 1997 and 2003. Before that, Hong Kong was regarded as a backwards place as far as virology was concerned. Now we are right at the cutting edge and scientists from all over the world come and learn from us.

"SARS -- severe acute respiratory syndrome -- is both easily spread and virulent. In the 2003 outbreak in Hong Kong, it killed 299 of the 1,755 people it infected there, or 17 percent.

The lessons learned from SARS did not gone to waste in Hong Kong. While Mexico struggles to confirm cases of swine flu and sends samples to the United States, Hong Kong is already performing swift genetic tests on patient samples and will have laboratories doing so at six local hospitals by Thursday. Tens of thousands of doctors and nurses, including retirees and those with medical training who have moved to other occupations, are tracked on databases and ready to be mobilized.

Contingency plans are ready to keep public transport, electricity, food supplies, telecommunications and other vital services running even if large numbers of people fall ill. And at a time when many hospitals in the United States are already at full capacity and keep few extra beds in reserve, Hong Kong has 1,400 beds in respiratory isolation units, mostly built over the past six years for fear that bird flu or SARS would become a serious problem, and 15 times as many beds as the territory needs on an everyday basis.

For a population of seven million people, Hong Kong has stockpiled 20 million treatment courses of Tamiflu, a medicine to which the new swine flu virus has not yet developed resistance. Hong Kong also has Asia's best-known flu specialists and extensive research labs that were expanded in response to fears of SARS or a long-feared pandemic of bird flu, which is caused by a different influenza virus from swine flu.

Government lawyers are also moving quickly, carrying out all the procedures on Monday to make swine flu a disease for which health professionals are required by law to notify the authorities of any suspected case. The Hong Kong government also has broad and detailed legal powers to quarantine possible cases and suspend a range of civil liberties in order to track down anyone who has been in contact with a carrier of a communicable disease; many other countries, including the United States, are still debating how to handle legal issues during a possible pandemic.

SARS "gave us a lot of valuable insights and practical experience in managing a large outbreak," said Gabriel Matthew Leung, Hong Kong's under secretary for food and health."

For once since going full-time in IM 3.5 years, I felt like going back to old workplace to help out. I have been in contact with my ex-colleagues all day. But my wife would be horrified and will never let me.

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ConcordeWarrior 15 years ago

They also had a powerful earthquake on top of it all.

Earthquake Details
Magnitude 6.0
Date-Time

* Monday, April 27, 2009 at 16:46:31 UTC
* Monday, April 27, 2009 at 11:46:31 AM at epicenter
* Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 17.322°N, 99.326°W
Depth 41.2 km (25.6 miles)
Region GUERRERO, MEXICO
Distances 30 km (20 miles) SE of Chilpancingo, Guerrero, Mexico
80 km (50 miles) NE of Acapulco, Guerrero, Mexico
115 km (70 miles) S of Iguala, Guerrero, Mexico
230 km (145 miles) S of MEXICO CITY, D.F., Mexico
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 7 km (4.3 miles); depth +/- 11.4 km (7.1 miles)
Parameters NST=168, Nph=168, Dmin=>999 km, Rmss=0.86 sec, Gp=166°,
M-type=teleseismic moment magnitude (Mw), Version=6
Source

* USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)

Event ID us2009fya9
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David Maschke

15 years ago

Eww Donald Rumsfield? I won't need any tamiflu when I can just hide in my bubble.

I always laugh at your comments, I never know what you are going to say. I wish I had your sense of humor.

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thehypnotist 15 years ago

WHO raises pandemic flu alert level to phase 4
By E. EDUARDO CASTILLO - 21 minutes ago
MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Mexico says the World Health Organization has raised its pandemic alert for swine flu by one level, two steps short of declaring a full-blown pandemic

Its offcial http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian.../en/index.html
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Michael Motley

15 years ago

i just saw where someone in the uk was talking about how we need to depopulate the planet.

welp..here we go.

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thehypnotist 15 years ago

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YouTube - 500,000 Plastic Coffins in the middle...

Why in the middle of Georgia? Well, apparently the Government is expecting a half million people to die relatively soon, and the Atlanta Airport is a major airline traffic hub, probably the biggest in the country, which means Georgia is a prime base to conduct military operations and coordination. It is also the home of the CDC, the Center for Disease Control. I don't want to alarm anyone, but usually you don't buy 500,000 plastic coffins andquot;just in case something happens,andquot; you buy them because you know something is going to happen. These air tight seal containers would be perfect to bury victims of plague or biological warfare in, wouldn't they?
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derekwong28

15 years ago

Indiana, I do not know Guan Yi personally. I was told that he is a very brilliant and committed scientist. However, he may be difficult to work with and a few years ago, there were fears that he may be detained in China for speaking out. I would agree with his assessment that the WHO is usually very slow to respond. For example, I feel that it should have given out a travel warning against Mexico.

However, scientists who work with influenza are in a breed of their own. They owe their whole careers to the threat of an influenza pandemic. The last pandemic occurred way back in 1968 and obviously people were beggining to lose interest in this subject. In fact, quite a few of them were regarded as "silly old cranks" Therefore for their own good, the really want a pandemic to happen.

The latest news is that the WHO seems to be resigned to the effect that the infection can no longer be contained. So now they are concentrating on ameliorating the effects of the infection. Still, a pandemic is not a foregone conclusion.

Following the SARS outbreak, Hong Kong is now the best prepared country in the world. We have got over 1,000 isolation beds available should an outbreak occurs and we have more than 20 million does of tamiflu. It is just our mindset in this case.

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Indiana, virtually in the scientific and medical community have been using PUBMED for at least 10-15 years! Before then, researchers had to used very think volumes known as "Indexus Medicus" to look up recent publications. However PUBMED only lists articles that had been published, and it takes up to a year for an article to be published. Therefore PUBMED is not good for very recent information such as this swine flu update.

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derekwong28

15 years ago

The latest news is that the WHO have basically given up in trying to contain the virus. Instead they are urging other nations to take steps to "ameliorate the impact". What this means is essentially to ask them to stock up more drugs, improve their medical facilities, companies and institutions to draw up plans should a large number of workers be taken ill etc. etc. It does not necessarily mean that a pandemic will still occur but it seems that it is likely that this virus will stay around, and will eventually be regarded as a human virus.

I just want to say why an influenza pandemic is so important, even should the disease turn out to be mild. In a pandemic, up to one-third of the world's population is infected that year. The rest will be infected eventually as the virus stays around and becomes the predominant strain of influenza virus. Therfore everbody is infected, often multiple times following the appearance of a pandemic strain.

In the 1918-9 "mother of all pandemics", it is thought that 40 million people were killed even though the mortality of the virus was 2.5%.

In the most recent 1968 H3N2 Hong Kong flu pandemic, only 33,000 were killed that year. But cummulatively, the H3N2 virus has killed over 1 million persons since then.

This 1968 pandemic was regarded as the mildest pandemic ever. So far, this swine flu seems to be able to cause significant mortality in Mexico. Now, if the mortality rate setlles at 0.1%, it will still cause 6 million deaths worldwide, and 300,000 in the US alone.

If a full scale pandemic occurs, the economic damage could be as high as 3 trillion dollars. This will surely plunge us from an already severe recession into a depression. However, given that most countries have made a lot of preparation for it, the damage is unlikely to reach this scale even if a pandemic occurs.

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Star69

15 years ago

Stockpile drugs? Last I heard the city of New York was going to have a whopping 1,500 doses of Tamiflu available.

How may people live in New York City?

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thehypnotist

15 years ago

Is youtube censoring flu videos,I do not see any videos from people who live in the area of the flu outbreaks posting videos.

I do not see anybody saying that they have a cold ect.

it just seems to be the streamline media that gets the air time on youtube.

maybe they been told to hold back to stop a panic

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TimPhelan

15 years ago

Originally Posted by thehypnotist

Is youtube censoring flu videos,I do not see any videos from people who live in the area of the flu outbreaks posting videos.

I do not see anybody saying that they have a cold ect.

I personally don't feel like making videos when I have a severe flu. Plus, how many people like seeing people with severe flu symtoms? Just saying. There isn't a huge biased media filter on youtube.

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TimPhelan 15 years ago

I think there is some info worth mentioning because some people have brought up side effects from Oseltamivir, also known as Tamiflu:

1. An estimated 50 million people have been treated with Tamiflu, with 35 million coming from Japan.

2. Out of those 35 million in Japan there were a couple hundred users reported to have behaved abnormally in a neurological way, mostly those under the age of 20. Of these there were 17 + deaths from this behavior.

3. These psychological problems could have been caused by the influenza itself.

4. Tamiflu has warnings now about these possible side effects.

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  This is the guy who created the google map that seems to be picked up by the media websites goverment wants to take control of this map,interesting video
  
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valerieSONORA

15 years ago

GRR Indy answer my questions on the no nonsense thread au reviour.

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Indy, as far as I know, the new strain is a hybird of 4 influenza viruses, or which the main two are N. American swine and Eurasian swine viruses. This is an extremely odd virus and the chances that it arose out of at least 3 independent reassortment events that must be astronomically rare.

Therefore I would understand why anybody would be suspicious about the origins of this virus. However, I would still suspect unusual/unnatural farming practices may be to blame rather than bio-terrorism/bio-warfare.

Here is an interesting article on the possible origin of this virus

Swine flu: is intensive pig farming to blame? | Environment | guardian.co.uk

It has also been assumed that the next pandemic virus would come from Asia, in particularly China. Now the biggest threat comes from N.America, the Chinese are rubbing in glee about this.

As far as I know, most if not all the virus isolates from Mexico have been sent to the US CDC for investigation. To date, the CDC have not said that there is more than one strain involved.

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raphilon

15 years ago

That Swine flu is terrible i hope it will not be the start of a new pandemic

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thehypnotist

15 years ago

Originally Posted by raphilon

That Swine flu is terrible i hope it will not be the start of a new pandemic

watch this and then decided,this guy has credentials listen at the end about who he is,I believe this guy more than I believe who and cdc and the goverments
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derekwong28

15 years ago

Update, first death in the U.S.

BBC NEWS | Americas | Swine flu virus kills child in US

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thehypnotist

15 years ago

Current level of influenza pandemic alert raised from phase 4 to 5

Based on assessment of all available information and following several expert consultations, Dr Margaret Chan, WHO's Director-General raised the current level of influenza pandemic alert from phase 4 to 5. She stated that all countries should immediately activate their pandemic preparedness plans. At this stage, effective and essential measures include heightened surveillance, early detection and treatment of cases, and infection control in all health facilities.

WHO | Swine influenza

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HeySal

15 years ago

Originally Posted by thehypnotist

Current level of influenza pandemic alert raised from phase 4 to 5

Based on assessment of all available information and following several expert consultations, Dr Margaret Chan, WHO's Director-General raised the current level of influenza pandemic alert from phase 4 to 5. She stated that all countries should immediately activate their pandemic preparedness plans. At this stage, effective and essential measures include heightened surveillance, early detection and treatment of cases, and infection control in all health facilities.

WHO | Swine influenza

Sure - but don't close the US border -- WTF is going on with this much of a refusal to check that border? This situation is totally surreal.

The One American death happens to be of an hispanic that crossed the border to go to an American Hospital. Go figure.

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thehypnotist 15 years ago

this is out of the bottle and we can hope that its a mild one,when the WHO starts talking about humanity it kind of scares the sh....t out of me.
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thehypnotist 15 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

Update, first death in the U.S.

BBC NEWS | Americas | Swine flu virus kills child in US

The seasonal flu report for week 22 is out. Over 40% of tested samples were positive (compared to 25% at the peak of flu season in February). 98% of the flu detected was swine H1N1 (in the US, the odds are 50:1 that if you are infected by flu in the week ending June 6, you are infected by swine H1N1)

CDC - Influenza (Flu) | Weekly Report: Influenza Summary Update Week 22, 2008-2009 Season

is this good or bad
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lawed

15 years ago

I take Silver Sol. Here's a site that is informational only- can't buy product on it even if you are interested.

This swine flu is not a joking matter, nor is MRSA, or many other terrible strains of virus and bacteria which are thriving in the enviornment these days. Many are pathogens. They kill humans.

Silver Sol kills all of the above and more in vitro (in the test tube)

Silver Sol has been awarded Patents and FDA approval as dicussed in detail in the Video on Silver Solution (on the left menu) at

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myob 15 years ago

Originally Posted by lawed

Silver Sol kills all of the above

Does it really kill humans too?
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jgand

15 years ago

The swine flu is not as bad as everyone thought it was going to be. The regular flu still kills many more people than the swine flu.

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josh1979

15 years ago

Wow, look at that - I also think that the Government is behind it. Interesting folks, I'm very glad that people are finally waking up and figuring out what's really going on.

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