Alex Jones' take On the swine Flu Conspiracy

15 years ago

He has no credibility, although many do believe his bs. This is just more monetizing for his own profit by spinning everything as a conspiracy.

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acreativetouch

15 years ago

fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, Gulf War Syndrome, AIDS all come from the same pathogens: microbacterium----mycoplasma and mycobacta which originally break down soil. Now, they cause suffering and death for millions. Make the populous sick, they go to the doctor and are made worse from meds ---they can't think clearly and can't fight back. If this is a "new pandemic", it's due. To protect yourself from this stuff colodial silver, in VERY LOW DOSES boosts your immune system against over 600 different viruses, bacteria including man-made which is why the government is trying to get it outlawed as it is very effective. Also, an atmospheric water generator cleans toxins and pathogens from the air....a good thing to have right about now if you can afford one.

Curing life with pure silver water, herbs, hemp oil, GSE

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raydp

15 years ago

Where on earth does this pseudoscientific claptrap come from? Bacteria and viruses are not the same and to try to use misinformation to sell new age garbage is irresponsible at best.

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myob

15 years ago

Originally Posted by raydp

Where on earth does this pseudoscientific claptrap come from? Bacteria and viruses are not the same and to try to use misinformation to sell new age garbage is irresponsible at best.

Ray

Welcome to the land of pseudoscientific claptrap! It sells books, DVDs, vitamins, snake oil, etc which is at best harmless. However this is indeed irresponsible to make conspiracy claims and "new age cures" which prevent people from seeking competent professional and medical care when they experience symptoms of serious illnesses. There is a reason the government is trying to outlaw these "cures".

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acreativetouch

15 years ago

Originally Posted by raydp

Where on earth does this pseudoscientific claptrap come from? Bacteria and viruses are not the same and to try to use misinformation to sell new age garbage is irresponsible at best.

Ray

Well, this "pseudoscientific claptrap" actually has been used for thousands of years and folks who put silver coins in their water during the black plague....survived. Those who used "conventional medicine" of the day....died. Just like today...those who do the "pseudoscientific claptrap" with various diseases, in addition to or when the doctors give up.....live. Eg: cancer survival using fever therapy in Germany.

Yea, I'll use antibiotics or meds IF NEEDED for brief periods of time. But where the rubber meets the road and it becomes survival.... I'll rely on old-fashioned time-proven herbs and natural medicines provided by the Earth.

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by raydp

Where on earth does this pseudoscientific claptrap come from? Bacteria and viruses are not the same and to try to use misinformation to sell new age garbage is irresponsible at best.

Ray

ESPECIALLY since although ONE of the items, IN MODERATION, is good against bacteria, it won't touch viruses.

BTW for those that don't understand...... Bacteria are a true living entity. They CAN exist on their own. Viruses, in several senses of the word, are NOT true living entities. Outside of a PROPER host cell, they can do NOTHING! They can't even reproduce! The best they can do is WAIT, and stay there until something helps to bring them in contact with a host cell. So a HUMAN virus won't originate in soil.

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Kyle L Hannah

15 years ago

U.S. prepares for possible swine flu epidemic as global cases rise - CNN.com Might want to look here first before assuming. And to say Alex Jones has no credibility is simply being ignorant. If you pay attention, he's very high on Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, two politicians who are actually for the American people.

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myob

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kyle L Hannah

... to say Alex Jones has no credibility is simply being ignorant. If you pay attention, he's very high on Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, two politicians who are actually for the American people.

The sincerity or motives of Ron Paul and Dennis Kucunich are unquestioned. But that is not the issue here. Neither one of those two politicians have any credentials to see past the fairy tales of Alex Jones. Just because politicians who are "for the people" got duped doesn't make this pseudoscience and twisted logic valid. Many very sincere and respectable people are being taken for a ride by this self-serving snake oil salesman.

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Harvey Affcash

15 years ago

creativetouch: All your unnatural medicines come from the Earth too... they're just processed and refined. There's no mysterious elements that don't naturally occur on our planet in them...
And yes, it is pseudosicentific claptrap, because Syndromes are not diseases. They're a conglomeration of symptoms. AIDS is not a disease, it's a syndrome that may potentially happen if you happen to be unlucky enough to be HIV+. Gulf War Syndrome is a collection of symptoms from things such as shell shock, raidation poisoning, early stages of cancer, etc.
And Fibromyalgia is just some wanker wanting to make a name for themselves by purposefully misdiagnosing tactile allodynia... I assure you, if all of your tactile stimuls met with a pain response, you'd be pretty tired and likely have an eating disorder as well.

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Michael Motley

15 years ago

alex jones is a fear monger. I'm on a couple sites where the right wing conservatives eat his crap up the faster he spews it.

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expertcapper

15 years ago

Bakai check your AFF threads..

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Mike Wright 15 years ago

The best medication for swine flu is OINKMENT :confused:

alternatively, the virus can be killed by exposure
to temperatures above 70 degrees Centigrade
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- Rob Baker 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Mike Wright
  
  The best medication for swine flu is OINKMENT :confused:
  
  alternatively, the virus can be killed by exposure
  to temperatures above 70 degrees Centigrade
  
  Well then I've got nothing to worry about. I have a can of gasoline and some lighters. What does the swine flu look like? I don't want to set the wrong flu on fire if it comes in here.
  
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Bakai

15 years ago

Think this is controversial, you need to hear the latest Alex Jones on Coast To Coast AM tonight. Time will tell if he is full of BS.

But don't let yourself be spoon fed the evening news as your only source of information. There is no way this swine flu is natural. It is a bio weapon and it has been used against innocent people to kill them. The question is, by who?

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raydp

15 years ago

Why oh why do people keep on with these infantile conspiracy theories. In the meantime, grownups are looking at the phenomenon of zoonoses:

Swine Flu and Factory Farms: Fast Track to Disaster

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derekwong28 15 years ago

As a virologist, I understand the suspicion felt by many about the origins of the virus. We now know that there are at least 4 different parent viruese: N. American swine, Eurasian swine, N. American avian, and human influenza virus.

Reassortment occurs when two different viruses infect the same cell of the same animal and their 8 gene fragements get mixed up, resulting in a new virus. It would be probably impossible and unthinkable that 3 or 4 different viruses can infect the same cell in the same animal at the same time. Therefore we are talking about at least 3 different reassortant events. One reassortant is rare already, 3 must by astronomical.

However, this sort of thing does happen in nature. I would be interested to see whether they find any precursor viruses. At the moment, the focus is on a pig farm run by a US-Mexican company.

Mexico tries to focus on source of infection - Los Angeles Times

By the way, if this virus does settle in humans, it will in time be classified as a human virus. It will probably be simply known as either "Mexian flu" or "N. American Flu". Rather like the "Hong Kong flu" of 1968 or the "Asian flu" of 1957 that resulted in pandemics.

Concerning the potential economic impact should a pandemic occurs. If a pandemic like the mild one in 1968 will cause a 1% drop in GDP worldwide. A moderately severe pandemic like the one in 1957 will cause a 2-2.5% drop in GDP. A pandemic along the scale of the 1918 pandemic will cause a drop of at least 5% in worldwide GDP.

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raydp

15 years ago

I've been so naive, having read Indiana's post, I now realise I've been hoodwinked for years! I now appreciate that what I previously laughed at is all true.

I must now believe tales such as this: KFC (formerly known as Kentucky Fried Chicken) is trying to increase profits by developing genetically engineered chickens that have more meat, are cheaper to raise, and faster to process. They are variously described as having no heads, no beaks, no legs, and no feathers. That's why they changed their name to KFC.

Also, the X files was all true and aliens walk among us.

No, I'm being facetious! Still having control of my faculties I'm delighted to see someone else - Derek Wong - has retained the art of rational thought.

Thank you Derek it, gets lonely here in the real world.

Ray

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myob 15 years ago

Thank you Derek, gets lonely here in the real world.

LOL! Every year, scientists are always discovering new animal species, flora, lichen, bacteria, and viruses that have never been seen before. Who keeps making all this stuff?
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Michael Motley

15 years ago

quiet..i think i hear the black helicopters hovering...

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Michael Motley

15 years ago

um..aren't most vaccines a very watered down version of whatever they are vacinating for?

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HeySal

15 years ago

Indy is right about vaccines being contaminated. This is the first I have seen the company that distributed the vaccines, though. I also remember in high school they were talking about "forced innoculations" to some flu. I didn't have to worry because I have an allergy to raw egg that can be verified doctor's records and people with such an allergy can't be shot up with these innoculations.

Now back then, people let out one mean fierce cry against forced drugging - but you won't see it in the population today - not widespread enough to make them knock off their crap if they decide to get into anyway.

One thing I have know for sure is if they start forced innoculations I am camping or over the border as damned fast as possible until they are done. Not going to be on their damned "oops" list. If I get caught and they forceably inject me I'll be taking doses of Vitamin C high enough to turn my intestinal tract into a water fountain for at least 72 hours afterwards. Then I will sue everyone involved in that little Hitlitarian activity for everything they will ever see in their lifetime. USA - free, and over 21 - right to say what goes on with my own body and injecting me without consent doesn't cut that - especially when there is no medical proof whatsoever - anywhere - that the vaccines do any good, contaminated or not.

I would hope that after the last contamination episode that there will at least be screening of shipments before they just inject people with it -- that and that Rumsfeld poison, Tamiflu.

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Thomas 15 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

... turn my intestinal tract into a water fountain...

What a picture...
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derekwong28

15 years ago

Indiana, I am sorry for the "nineties looking site". I simply did not have time to brush it up. I do have lots of photographs of our Class III laboratories but I am not allowed to put them on my website.

Most laboratory contaminations/infections that had occurred in Class III or Class IV laboratories had arisen because of sloppy practices and poor training of the staff. Sometimes, it could just be down to the simple mislabelling of specimens/reagents.

For example, there had been 3 instances of laboratory acquired SARS infection. Two in class III laboratories in Singapore and China, and one in the Class IV laboratory in Taiwan. In the case of Singapore.

Derek

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Mike Wright

15 years ago

http://tinyurl.com/co593z the remedy

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HeySal 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Wright

http://tinyurl.com/co593z the remedy

LOL. You are already one sick puppy, Mike. You just have the privilege of not being contagious.
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FasthostsCom

15 years ago

This guy is a retard and that's being disrespectful to retarded people. Youtube lets everyone be a star.

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dlwebb610

15 years ago

Anyone who dismisses anyone elses beliefs without investigating them for themselves are acknowledging the fact that they are naive and easily lead. I am not telling you to believe Mr Jones, I'm telling you to investigate his claims on your own and draw your own conclusions. There is more than one side to every story. If you're not willing to do that then please stop spouting off about something you know nothing about. You only make yourself look foolish.

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TimPhelan

15 years ago

So if someone says the moon is made of cheese, I need to go investigate first before saying it's BS? That's foolish.

I think you are naive and easily lead. Go investigate that. :-0

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Anyone who dismisses anyone elses beliefs without investigating them for themselves are acknowledging the fact that they are naive and easily lead. I am not telling you to believe Mr Jones, I'm telling you to investigate his claims on your own and draw your own conclusions. There is more than one side to every story. If you're not willing to do that then please stop spouting off about something you know nothing about. You only make yourself look foolish.

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HeySal

15 years ago

Ah come on, Tim -- let go of the slip programming for a minute, eh?:p

If you worked in one of the labs that created these things, or altered them, or do anything else they do with them in their research........wouldn't YOU loose a few of them out on guys like Jones.....if nothing else, he does get some scrutiny to the right places ya know.

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TimPhelan 15 years ago

Sal, I think he puts more scrutiny on the wrong places than the right places. Kind of hit and miss, throw everything aginst the wall and see what sticks type of scrutiny.

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if nothing else, he does get some scrutiny to the right places ya know.
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HeySal

15 years ago

Yep - but if it sticks to the wall when I throw it, I sure do think it's worth some scrutiny.

Anyone remember the viruses they let loose in the NY subway in the 1950's or the time they were injecting cancer cells into Sr. Cit's about that time - or gave lobotomies to AWOL military.........I could go on. There was a crap load of treating citizens like guinea pigs in the 50's and it all took decades to figure it out because people blindly trusted and thought patriotism meant you didn't need to watch what they were doing. We're still just gaining steam on water fluoridation because of the same ideaology. The current head of the FDA was spraying babies in FLA with toxic chemicals (giving low income mom's a grand and a t-shirt to allow it) and the public found out......the FDA told him he had to stop or they couldn't install him in his present position.

Stuff goes on that is less than condonable when people don't watch. Always been that way and I'm thinking it likely always will be. I feel safer asking questions first.

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dlwebb610

15 years ago

Tim I feel sorry for you.

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TimPhelan

15 years ago

Why? Because I don't listen to Alex Jones. LOL. Your sympathy is misdirected.

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Tim I feel sorry for you.

Sal, the percentage that sticks with Jones is so small it's not worth the time to look to him for information.

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dlwebb610

15 years ago

[quote=TimPhelan;891167]Why? Because I don't listen to Alex Jones. LOL. Your sympathy is misdirected.

No because you're so closed minded. You are not even willing to investigate the possibility that you are being lied to. You have the mentality that says "the people on TV said it so it must be true".

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Michael Motley

15 years ago

[quote=dlwebb610;891579]

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Why? Because I don't listen to Alex Jones. LOL. Your sympathy is misdirected.

No because you're so closed minded. You are not even willing to investigate the possibility that you are being lied to. You have the mentality that says "the people on TV said it so it must be true".

It not closeminded if you dont listen to a kook, its common sense.

It amazes me that in a forum full of marketers that claim to know the man facets of the psychology of marketing that they can't see their own handiwork looking them in the face.

Alex Jones is nothing more than a niche marketer. His niche is conspiracy. Look at his site(s) (he has about 9, including Prison Planet.com, infowars.com, wnd, truthnews..etc). Everyone of them are chock full of the documents he has made, just like your reports you make for your sites...he just makes dvd's. When you read his 'reports' they are designed to funnel you into signing up for his mailing list, or to shuttle you over to his 'store' to buy t-shirts, bumper stickers, dvd's. He has affiliate ads all over his sites just like YOU do

He is an actor, and a radio personality his job is to lie and mislead, and thats exactly what he does.

Do you as an adult SERIOUSLY believe that a 'patriot' or whatever you think this bulls**t artist is, is truly what he says he is when he will only tell you about the evils of the government if you sign up for his newsletter or read his book?

I bet that you buy WSO's and truly believe that when someone finds a way to make millions of dollars on the internet, the first thing they are going to do is make a 9.99 book about it so that they can create their own competition too arent you. :rolleyes:

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50calray

15 years ago

[quote=Michael Motley;891679]

Originally Posted by dlwebb610

It not closeminded if you dont listen to a kook, its common sense.

It amazes me that in a forum full of marketers that claim to know the man facets of the psychology of marketing that they can't see their own handiwork looking them in the face.

Alex Jones is nothing more than a niche marketer. His niche is conspiracy. Look at his site(s) (he has about 9, including Prison Planet.com, infowars.com, wnd, truthnews..etc). Everyone of them are chock full of the documents he has made, just like your reports you make for your sites...he just makes dvd's. When you read his 'reports' they are designed to funnel you into signing up for his mailing list, or to shuttle you over to his 'store' to buy t-shirts, bumper stickers, dvd's. He has affiliate ads all over his sites just like YOU do

He is an actor, and a radio personality his job is to lie and mislead, and thats exactly what he does.

Do you as an adult SERIOUSLY believe that a 'patriot' or whatever you think this bulls**t artist is, is truly what he says he is when he will only tell you about the evils of the government if you sign up for his newsletter or read his book?

I bet that you buy WSO's and truly believe that when someone finds a way to make millions of dollars on the internet, the first thing they are going to do is make a 9.99 book about it so that they can create their own competition too arent you. :rolleyes:

Exactly!

I get sick and tired of seeing AJ listed as some credible source :rolleyes:

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Michael Motley

15 years ago

Alex Jones likes whipping up people. He's no different than guys like michael moore. They tell you a story with 90% truth, 10% b.s. and the 10%B.S. is the critical part of the story. He does this to get a rise out of people that belive in every conspiracy theory that comes out and are too stupid or lazy to check anything out for themselves and just run screaming off into the night yelling about black helicopters and the governments thirst for power over our lives.

He does this because there are so many people out there that semi belive it already and all they need is a little push to send them over the edge.

He wont help you, because he can't. You can't 'stop' what isnt there, but he'll sure sell you a t-shirt, sticker or dvd that will help you calm yourself while you hide under your garage.

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xc-mikey

15 years ago

Perhaps we should all be afraid of wales as well since they are able to transmit viruses to humans. I'm pretty sure that after birds, then pigs, it will be whales. The blue whale pandemic, as whales unlike pigs can travel easier for transmission, I don't think there are any whale farms per se, but I've been wrong before. I hope nobody was planning on swimming this summer.

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Keith Williams

15 years ago

Question:

If you wanted information about medical matters, surely you would go an ask a doctor, or a nurse.

Why would you think it ever feasible to get your info from this hysterical looney tune?