Do you think the world is overpopulated?

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Do you think in the near future there will be enough food for everyone, enough land to grow the food for everyone, enough room for housing, enough clean water, etc.

I have seen field after field, forest after forest being town down to build subdivisions, houses, or strip malls and parking lot and I wonder if we'll run out of room one day? In this one town I used to live in, when I went back and visited I hardly recognized it anymore with so many new roads, hotels, subdivisions and houses and houses that used to be fields or forest land.

Or does the earth have enough resources for the growing population?

And what can be done about overpopulation? I know China has a 1 child rule. Imagine if they didn't, there's already 2 billion + ppl in China.
  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
    Well in nature when a species gets to large for their environment two things happens.
    Disease and hunger thins the herd.
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    There is one species that uses war and genocide to thin out the herds. Plentiful resources for those who remain.
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  • Profile picture of the author Star69
    There's enough land for more people but how will they live? We don't have enough jobs as it is, we don't have affordable housing, and we are not growing enough food to feed those already here.

    So, yes, it's over populated right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
    No
    Just living too close together.
    Growing up MANY neighbors grew "victory" gardens and apples, pears, grapes, berries.
    Home cooking from scratch. The next door guy raised pigs and chickens, in Milwaukee.
    Eventually it was rezoned to prohibit raising stock.
    Crips just drive through just about any decent sized state and you'll see plenty of land to support the current pop and more.
    But out NWO has designated most of it as Heritage lands,thanks bill clinton.NOT
    They need you to live close to make it easier to control you. "bah bah" bleat the sheeple.
    Chemical abuse and "Terminator" seeds from Monsanto and over farming has ruined the lands. Dirt is supposed to have worms, bugs, slugs, bacteria and what not. Dumbasses used the pesticides and destroyed it. Just like over prescribing meds, "here Billy take some Ritalin" next scene he goes Postal at his school.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmorgan
      There's certainly too many in the UK for our resources especially with our government's pathetic immigration rules. I always wonder why when the problem of road congestion is discussed, no one ever mentions population control as a solution.

      When a country needs to import for its basic needs - there's something very wrong with the way the world is going.
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    • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
      Originally Posted by war28476 View Post

      No
      Just living too close together.
      Growing up MANY neighbors grew "victory" gardens and apples, pears, grapes, berries.
      Home cooking from scratch. The next door guy raised pigs and chickens, in Milwaukee.
      Eventually it was rezoned to prohibit raising stock.
      Crips just drive through just about any decent sized state and you'll see plenty of land to support the current pop and more.
      But out NWO has designated most of it as Heritage lands,thanks bill clinton.NOT
      They need you to live close to make it easier to control you. "bah bah" bleat the sheeple.
      Chemical abuse and "Terminator" seeds from Monsanto and over farming has ruined the lands. Dirt is supposed to have worms, bugs, slugs, bacteria and what not. Dumbasses used the pesticides and destroyed it. Just like over prescribing meds, "here Billy take some Ritalin" next scene he goes Postal at his school.
      Growing your own veggies and fruits, raising some animals is a good idea...but most places it is not allowed to have any type of livestock unless you live out in the country. If it's zoned residential you can't have chickens, goats, pigs, anything like that. (All these zoning laws grrr) There was a family who had a pet goat, didn't bother anyone except one stupid nosy neighbor didn't like it and reported them. They were forced to get rid of the goat even though it was a pet goat fenced in a back yard and didn't bother anyone.

      Some people don't have yards or live in apartments so they can't grow gardens.

      There is available land for sell...but a lot of people lack the money to buy this land and the land ends up getting bought by some big company to build a subdivision.

      I live in a townhouse but if I lived where I had a big back yard I'd have a few chickens (for eggs, I could never kill my own meat) and a goat (for a lawnmower-I don't eat goat) and grow a big garden (even though I'm not sure how to but I'd learn) Hey my grandmothers house-who died recently-is going up for sale for $60K. It's in the country with a huge back yard with hills. Anyone wanna loan me $60K so I can buy it? (Hate the thought of a stranger getting her house at an auction but thats another topic )

      My grandparents grew up on a farm and did everything themselves. Raised their own meat, had chickens for their own eggs, growed their own vegetables and fruit, sewed their own clothes, never ate out. They were dirt poor though and this was in the 30s and 40s.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Considering if the population continues to grow at it's present rate humans will be shoulder to shoulder by the year 2600, I'd say we sure are. Of course, it's ridiculous to believe we could survive to even a portion of that capacity.

    When scientists are trying desperately to figure out how to restore desertificated land and to grow crops vertically, I think it's time to take a hint from that. Desertification is the number one problem on earth -- and politicians are passing it off as warming so they can make money from our selfish idiocy. That and every time someone says "over population" so many people scream to the rafters -- listening to hype instead of doing the math. Someone had a "new system" of math to justify it all. Uh...we live in 3D so you don't need new math - our old math serves just fine for 3 dimensional definition.

    When land is cleared for housing or farming it is not able to retain moisture. What moisture it recieves sinks and later rises after absorbing the salinity and sulfurs below. The land is rendered unarable. You can't just go out and replant trees in desertificated areas - the soil has to be reconditioned.

    We are losing Millions of hectacres of land per year to desertification. Once the area is pushed over carrying capacity by live stock and humans it is ruined, the populations and livestock migrate and push the areas they move to over carrying capacity. How much land can we lose as the population continues to grow and not face the fact that we are driving ourselves to extinction? We now have a situation that is mostly human caused at the time but is being driven by natural events and is soon to become a full blown natural catastrophe - famine. There is starvation in 33 countries and we have a billion people - one seventh of our population starving. Food reserves worldwide are depleted - and then gov and military are messing with distribution, economics have priced what food there is out of reach of the poorer people.

    This problem is not third-world - there are 3000 seniors starving right here in WA state.
    It is a man-made problem here.

    But - our earth is beginning to cool. You need warming to produce enough crops to feed large amounts of population. One night of a cold snap in major farming areas can kill enough crops to cause REAL famine. Our new sun cycle was predicted to be the strongest we've ever seen -- it did not materialize. All the warming hype is going to go into the wash soon. They are still pointing to areas that are warm for "evidence of warming" but the areas they are pointing to are sitting on mantle plumes or have active volcanoes going off (underwater in parts of the north pole). They refuse to point to the 15 year high in ice formation at the pole or the many areas experiencing record colds.

    If we get unexpected cold you will see the onset of a famine that the human world has never seen the likes of. It was predicted for onset in 2020 - and it is already creeping up on us here in 2010. Too much arable land lost to desertification - too many mouths to feed. Too much livestock to feed this many without ecological consequences.

    What about waste and resources? England has a major problem with places to put their garbage. America, China, and a few other countries are in energy deficit. That is we are pulling more than can be ecologically supplied without repercussions.

    You also can't cut as many trees as we currently need for human supplies without upsetting the ecological balance, climate, and oxygen supply. Sure - you can make some things out of plastic to save trees - but plastics are toxic. So we cut down on lumber just to completely fill the planet with toxin.

    Any time populations get high enough that they can't supply energy, food, clean water, for that mass - or dispose of wastes and toxins without environmental ruin, you have exceeded the carrying capacity of that area and need to let the population thin out - no don't go kill everyone -- just limit amount of births to well under the amount of deaths.
    It's a simple. logical solution, yet people refuse to accept the fact that we need to limit our populations. We live in three dimensional space within a balanced ecological system. You can't endlessly add mass to a three dimensional space -- and once you unbalance the supporting ecological system you are in trouble.

    We may not reached capacity of being able to cram more people into the space we were given -- but we are past the tipping point of ecological ruin. We don't need to do much of anything now.....and can't reverse the population size fast enough naturally........to save ourselves............and Mom nature is just about to kick a big mass of us to the curb and solve that problem for us. Wonder if future generations will learn from it or if 2000 years from now they will face the same damned problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Yeah I guess a major famine will take care of overpopulation. But it's a terrible way to go, starving to death. Slow and painful death.

    And like Sal said famine isn't just a third world country problem. People die everyday in 3rd world countries of starvation but there's also people starving in the western countries.

    But...is there anything that can be done about it? Like setting off more land to be conserved and not bulldozed down? I know governments could place rules like the China 1 child rule, but that would be so unpopular it would never pass. Imagine China if they didn't have that rule and families were having lots of children, a 4 billion people China

    If the world doesn't end in 2012 :p I wonder what it will be like 100 years from now if nothing is done?

    I wouldn't be surprised to see a major famine like we've never known before if crops are ruined and not enough food for too many people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    Yes, way overpopulated. We need to stop breeding like bunnies. A number like, say, 1 billion would be much better. Current farming techniques can feed everyone but at the expense of soil erosion and water pollution.

    Anyway, I'm doing my part: warning you guys/gals not to procreate. Save the world!

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by Tyrus Antas View Post

      Yes, way overpopulated. We need to stop breeding like bunnies. A number like, say, 1 billion would be much better. Current farming techniques can feed everyone but at the expense of soil erosion and water pollution.

      Anyway, I'm doing my part: warning you guys/gals not to procreate. Save the world!

      Tyrus
      its not 'we'. the people that are the least able to take care of kids are the ones that are squirting them out like its their job.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by WordPro View Post

      ... One day it will all go tits up for sure.
      Ahh ... what a view for the final breath.
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  • Profile picture of the author Phnx
    *slurp slurp* Drink the Kool Aid down kiddies, it's a bit too late in the game for some of you to start thinking now.

    Depopulation and "lack of resources" only makes sense to simple children who are completely unable to see the bigger picture. Even those who claim they are great eco-warriors working for the wittle Planet seemingly cannot conceive of living without the diseased teat offered up to them as the means of their survival. Self delusion writ large.

    When the 'environmental' movements were set up - by a bunch of ex-nazi's and criminal corporatists, similar to the banksters who are robbing us blind at the moment - they operated (and still do) rather like terrorist organizations... the IRA for example. What they do is fund and recruit idealists to carry out their work, but they themselves are in it for entirely different reasons. When it becomes increasing obvious that the environment is screwed the cry goes out that man is evil and has wrecked everything, so therefore the environment must be protected from MAN. They very nobly remove vast tracts of land from our usage, to "preserve" them. But who exactly are these huge areas of land - which just happen to be packed with vast resources, or in strategic geo-political areas around the world - being preserved for? (Check out the names of those who call the shots for the WWF policies for instance, crooks and banksters, CIA, oil and corporate bigwigs etc. Anyone really thinks they have the interests of the planet at heart, you need to be prevented from having the vote.)

    If the Native Americans or similar indigenous people were living on those 'protected' lands and National Parks, would they despoil them or live in harmony with them? Thought so. Okay, so it's the nasty "evil white man" who'd destroy it - ain't it always? Except.....if the Amish were living on it, quite clearly they'd look after it. So obviously not "man", not even poor whitey who gets blamed for everything. It is the SYSTEM. The modern industrialised global system that has screwed everything up. Change that, and everything changes. No "new maths" required, it's the same old maths, but when the system changes, the 'maths of doom' change along with it. (You need to explain to Sal just who Buckminster Fuller was, Star - she thinks he's some nobody who has "stacked stats" when of course he's Mr Sustainability himself, who proved mathematically, beyond a doubt - and got the backing of hundreds of scientists - that there is enough resources for everyone IF THE DAMN SYSTEM IS CHANGED.

    NOT ONE of the halfwitted environmentalists murmured a word of protest when all this land was being stolen by the robber barrons "for the greater good". Just as they docilely swallow the racist 'depopulation' agenda. Too infantile to grasp that they are doing the bidding of what are really glorified white supremacists.

    For the last 60+ years we in the West have had a life of ease like no other generations in history. Everything has been geared to our 'leisure' and entertainment, but it has meant we have been kept as permanent children. However, we feel subconcious guilt because we know the rest of the world lives with a different and harsher 'reality', and dimly suspect they may be paying the price for our lifestyle. No time for an extended childhood for those poor *******s. It's too hard to actually think about that though, much easier to believe our 'betters' when they give us a reason that makes us feel weally weally good about ourselves, wheeeee we are like Superman and can "save the World". When "authority" - our surrogate parent - tells us WE are the problem, well toddlers don't argue with Daddy, do they? Parents are always right - until you reach maturity and realise they don't always know what they are talking about, and in fact may be full of crap.

    You think our scientists and technology 'experts' are any different? The vast majority of them are sucking at the same teat you are, so of course they are going to follow Daddy's lead. ('Experts' are arguing passionately to add flouride to the water supply over here, and I'd say most do believe it and haven't seen the scientific papers arguing otherwise). The few who don't need the teat, well who is going to listen to them? Toddlers think emotionally and throw tantrums - it's only when they have exhausted themselves do the adults get a chance to butt in. Fortunately for us, there ARE adults, real bone fide adults, around and their voices are being heard. It's a murmur so far, but soon, soon, it'll be a roar heard around the world and it will drown out the inane chatter of the emotional infants and their despotic parent. You won't find many of them in the West though, they reside mainly in the East.

    You see, while the infants are getting hysterical in the West, with their lackeys in the UN doing their bidding, the Russians have been quietly taking their 'personal power' back and reclaiming adulthood. (This is not the asinine 'personal power' espoused by the two-bit "gurus" in the West - this is the personal power our grandparents had before their descendants threw it all away for the promise of a carefree childhood of fun that extended well into adulthood)

    You in the West who bitch and whine about welfare recipients, and 'dependants' sucking you dry, are YOU really any better? Do you not depend on 'The System' to feed you and yours? Do you ever think about - let alone comprehend - where the resources come from that allows you to live as you do? Who are we sucking dry? Do you ever think about why exactly the Third World got the short stick, or do you just think it obvious why people of colour ended up on 'barren' lands?

    Somalians are going to be starving soon, and the Kool Aid drinkers will be be wailing with their faux compassion that it's "all for the greater good", see, not enough resources is there, and what can ya do, eh? It's better that they are gone, poor things. But are there really no resources for them, or are the same types who are screwing us financially at the moment, doing what they do best? No doubt Somali criminals are taking advantage as criminals always do, but what would you do in this position? They surely have to do something to save themselves from the robber barrons. You are being lied to about pirates | Republic Broadcasting Network

    Western infants are acting out their guilt complex because of their life of ease - what's that saying about the Devil finding work for idle hands - but instead of dealing with their neuroses in the privacy of the shrinks office, they foist it on the rest of us - aided and abetted by 'Daddy' of course. So conditioned are they that they simply cannot comprehend a different system. 'Man' is destroying the land and the oceans with his monstrous system, so what is there to do but get rid of most people so we can carry on doing it, but in a more sustainable way. The idea that we should return the fishing industry back to the local trawlermen who looked after it for generations and ban the huge factory ships that swoop up everything that moves, does not compute. "But how would we eat fish if Daddy doesn't fetch it for us? That'd mean we'd have to live closer to fishing ports, or only buy fish from local freshwater farms, and there won't be enough choice, and we must have choice dammit." Wah, wah, I'll scweam until I'm sick if I can't have it!

    If we got rid of intensive farming for beef cattle and crops which is destroying the land around the world, (the new hip word is 'desertification' dontcha know) and returned the land to the peasants, well the peasants know how to care for the land. But of course it would mean only eating local food. No more premade or 'fast food' and all the packaging that goes with it, no more sliced meats and sausages shipped around the world. No more canning factories, no more Coca-Cola and their ilk sucking up the water supplies in the Third World.

    If you simply must maintain that particular teat, then yes, billions will have to die to keep it going. If you (generic 'you') truly believe in depopulation though, then you should be praying that this is indeed a flu pandemic about to hit. Nor should you take any precautions or vaccinations to prevent yourself from getting it, because that tells you that you are that most nauseating of creatures - the hypocrite. If you want to live so badly that you won't just take your chances, why deny that to 'others'. Should you try to preserve your life or the life of your loved ones, then deep down you only believe in depopulation because you think it's for the 'other'. Those not like you, those you deem less. This is usually the developing world, or those whose politics are not compatible, and/or the poor/feckless in our own society.

    But consider, "natural selection" and "survival of the fittest" is that which is best able to adapt in order to survive If you are dependant on someone else for your survival - in this case THE SYSTEM - then really, you are NOT best adapted to survive, are you? You are a child, and young children can't survive alone, they need someone else to provide for them.

    From a 'natural selection' perspective then, it is much of the West that needs to be depopulated. If you are taking any precautions against a possible pandemic, then you need to ruthlessly re-examine your beliefs on depopulation, because what you are actually following is a racist eugenics ideology. (Read Margaret Sangers biography some time, she is quite candid about her reasons for setting up Planned Parenthood - the means to get rid of "inferior races", the "weak and feeble minded" (ie the poor and those who don't think the 'right' way, according to the eugenicist doctrine).

    Next time you see the so-called 'experts' shilling for depopulation, you will notice the real agenda within the article or speech. It often goes hand in hand with Genetically Modified crops to save us, or some other technology to keep us on the teat and under their control. Building vertically is a friggin joke. "Arable land" is only a concern for major farming operations under the globalist system. There are other ways, as Cuba has proven - by necessity in their case. Russia, as Edgar Cayce once prophecized, may yet be the "hope of the world".

    A movement is sweeping throughout Russia and spreading around the World. It comes clothed in pseudo metaphysics, probably because people need some form of religiosity to move their asses, but the 'belief system' itself isn't important: the effect it is having is! It will take you off the teat, and propel you into adulthood. Of course this is not in best interests of The System. That system is currently trying to control all the food supplies on the planet, they don't want YOU to figure out you don't actually need them. (They are apparently using the Zeiteist movies to push things in the direction they want. The first one was the 'hook' IMO, the second one was shown on mainstream TV over here - that pushes the communistic "Venus Project", with a happy clappy gloss on it. Reduced population and technology helping us along as we "all work together" in happy global harmony. )

    When one pauses from drinking the Kool Aid and stops shilling for a mass 'blood sacrifice', you might be interested to know there is a choice for those willing to leave the teat. Not all can of course, because some will never let it go, their whole self-identity hinges on believing in it. But for those who can escape the emotional manipulation, there are options. We just need enough grownups to start taking matters into their own hands.

    You can choose to remain a child looking to Daddy to feed you, and make excuses as to why you can't help yourself. But as that latter choice will require the death of billions to sustain your infantile inadequacy, you will be deemed the enemy and 'fought' against hard, by those who abhore the 'death cult' of the eugenicists and their dimwitted followers. Nobody should have to die to save you from growing up and standing on your own two feet. See a shrink if it scares you that much, but don't hide your fear behind the murderous excuse of the 'greater good'.

    Many local councils over here are suddenly talking a lot about people digging up their gardens or buying large potato planters to put on the patios to grow crops. Maybe the side of 'Good' is giving us a fighting chance to get off the teat? Will we prevail? Depends how many keep drinking the Kool Aid.

    The enemy is formidable, for you see the Nazi's never went away. They merely reclothed themselves and did by stealth what they couldn't do by force. Check out Maurice Strong, a prime driver of the depopulation and 'lack of resources' scam. Chairman of the Earth Council, and founder of the UNs Population unit, he is a billionaire corporate piece of slime, who is a Nazi eugenicist of the real fanatic variety. He is working hard for the One World Government where he and his cronies get to rule over the rest of us, cos he really really wuvs this planet and he wants what's best for us.

    One of his things is 'geronticide': speeding up the deaths of elderly people because when they hit retirement they are of no further use to society. (Well natch, our true purpose is to bring profits for them, when we can't do that anymore of what use are we? What a guy! ) Rationing of resources, denying healthcare insurance so they aren't able to afford medical treatment, encouraging suicide and euthanasia. This piece of shit calls himself an environmentalist and peace campaigner. He's just an old fashioned Nazi who thinks the world and it's resources belong to his kind and there are many of his kind pulling the strings. This is who the depopulation morons follow so blindly.

    People who slavishly follow that agenda are not only unthinking fools but they are essentially no different than the Germans who tacitly supported the depopulation of the Jews from Europe for the 'greater good'. Perhaps the Kool Aid drinkers should volunteer to be in the First Wave of any culling when the time comes?

    This is what is happening in Russia (more info on this movement on the No Nonsense Thread.) so please don't anyone talk about lack of resources, it marks you an ignoramous and an enemy of your species. Even the dimmest dipshit should be able to grasp what this means.

    "Currently, with 35 million families (70% of Russia's population) working 8 million [hectares] of land and producing more than 40% of Russia's agricultural output, this is in all likelihood the most extensive microscale food production practice in any industrially developed nation.

    "According to official statistics, in 1999 more than 35 million families (105 million people, or 71% of country's population) owned a dacha or a subsidiary plot and were cultivating it... The 35 million plots of these families occupy more than 8 million hectares and provide 92% of Russia's harvest of potatoes, 77% of its vegetables, 87% of berries and fruits, 59.4% of meat, and 49.2% of milk."

    "When you look at the contribution of gardening to the national economy as a whole, it's even more stunning," Sharashkin said. "In 2004, gardeners' output amounted to 51% (by value) of the total agricultural output of the Russian Federation. This represents 384 billion rubles (approx. US$14 billion!!!), or 2.3% of Russia's Gross Domestic Product (GDP). This is greater, for example, than the contribution of the whole of electric power generation industry (317 bn rubles), significantly greater than all of forestry, wood-processing and pulp and paper industry (180 bn), significantly greater than the coal (54 bn), natural gas (63 bn) and oil refining (88 bn) industries taken together. The share of food gardening in national agriculture has increased from 32% in 1992 to over 50% by 2000."

    "Essentially, what Russian gardeners do," he concludes, "is demonstrate that gardeners can feed the world - and you do not need any GMOs, industrial farms, or any other technological gimmicks to guarantee everybody's got enough food to eat. Bear in mind that Russia only has 110 days of growing season per year - so in the US, for example, gardeners' output could be substantially greater. Today, however, the area taken up by lawns in the US is two times greater than that of Russia's gardens - and it produces nothing but a multi-billion-dollar lawn care industry."

    Though the dacha movement has its roots in Russia's traditional peasant culture (and more recently in post-WW2 programs to boost agricultural production) the Ringing Cedars movement has had its own major contributions since the release of the books in 1996. A strong focus on planting trees and using non-timber tree products, permaculture principles like "no-dig" gardens, and fulfilling a spiritual relationship with the land are some of the new characteristics among the dachniks who have been inspired by Anastasia.

    As well, the readers of Anastasia are also at the heart of a growing Russian eco-village movement. These are subsistence communities made up of multiple family estates, normally called "Kin's Domains," a term that appears in the books. Along with each family's estate of between one and three hectares, these eco-villages may include community areas with a school, clinic, theatre, and festival grounds. Before the release of the Ringing Cedars books, Russia was without an eco-village movement; but in 2004, a conference of readers had attendants representing more than 150 eco-villages!

    The spiritual affinity within the communities of the Ringing Cedars movement lies in their vision of re-establishing "Motherland," an eco-culture where every person is fulfilling their role as a Divine Co-Creator......."

    "......Across Russia, "Garden Plot Acts" legislation is increasingly coming into effect, entitling each Russian citizen to a piece of land free from taxation and inheritable though the family line. I read this message of sovereign title to land for the purpose of spiritual fulfillment as a hopeful tiding of humanity's future here on the planet. As I wander about visiting homesteads, farms, communities, and seeking the stories to inspire a natural and spiritual life, I have discovered Anastasia. It is one of those inspiring stories, and there are many blessings for us all on the path of Inspired Co-Creation....."

    War28476 mentioned the Victory Gardens of WW2 - here's a link for Americans, they are sprouting up again and you need to pay attention. Victory Garden

    Not a bad idea either to join the 'guerilla gardeners' around the world and get planting wherever you can. The Guerrilla Gardening Homepage
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgettaSterling
    Is the world "overpopulated"? No. It is impoverished. Population is just a symptom.

    Endless studies show that as people become more affluent, birth rates plummet. Impoverished people have lots of kids because many will die, and the ones that survive will carry on the family and take care of the parents in their old age. Affluence (even on a subsistence level) removes that imperative.

    There was a TED talk on this topic that was quite compelling, if you are interested.

    Of course, governments and politicians only know one way to "address problems" - by force - like trying to force poor people to have fewer children or force people to give up their property for the "good" of society (e.g. wealth redistribution). Most people are impoverished because of governments (look at most of Africa). The solution is for governments to get out of the way of hard-working, enterprising people and allow them to build new wealth. The population symptom would then take care of itself.

    If the Chinese Government allowed people to become relatively well-off (they are starting to - hence the rise of a middle class in China) then they wouldn't need to force child quotas. Of course, the whole purpose of the Chinese Government (and pretty much all governments it seems) is to force things on people in order to have power and control, rather than to address problems.

    Sigh.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Don't really give a rats ass who he is, Lee. I have an education and don't need to listen to idiotic postulations. I can do my OWN math. I also have a good handle on the science as I have studied it for 30 years rather than just trolling google.

    That's okay folks - squirt em out all you want. It won't be me passing out kool-aid, however, it is already getting to a point that kool-aid is a luxury that over 1 billion people do not have. Much more humane to drop babies and watch them starve than to consider that maybe we were supposed to breed in more ecologically correct numbers.

    Mom Nature isn't agreeing with our numbers and we can argue in here all we want - it's what happens on earth that counts and we have 1/7 of our population in starvation and scientists trying to figure out how to grow crops vertically to feed everyone and others racing the clock to try to regenerate wasting lands. WE don't have the final say in this matter whether we want to or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Phnx
      >>I have an education and don't need to listen to idiotic postulations. <<

      Ah, the University For Idiots at Moronville! Yes, it churns out very many 'experts' who convince us their great "education" gives them the knowledge to know it's perfectly safe to do many moronic things. Like putting lead in gasoline or flouride in water, their "science" showed it was safe otherwise they couldn't have done it. Of course they ignore evidence to the contrary but then what can you expect of idiots? Their graduates are everywhere, so you are in very good company.

      >>I can do my OWN math. I also have a good handle on the science as I have studied it for 30 years rather than just trolling google. <<

      Your presumption that only you have an education and a "handle on the science" is truly quite breathtaking in it's delusion.

      If your puny education had actually been worth a damn, you would have come across Bucky Fuller long before now. He proved his premise as far back as 1959, and got independant validation in 1977 by 1,500 scientists at the National Academy Of Scientists. Long before Google came along. If I were you, I wouldn't be using your "education" to hide your ignorance and feed your vanity.

      When you learn to actually think, you might find the courage to admit your venom against women who dare to "squirt them out" has got bugger all to do with 'overcarrying' and everything to do with personal prejudice.

      (BTW you are overdoing the "overcarrying" and "desertification" mantra. You are starting to sound like a preprogrammed robot.)

      >>Mom Nature isn't agreeing with our numbers and we can argue in here all we want - it's what happens on earth that counts and we have 1/7 of our population in starvation and scientists trying to figure out how to grow crops vertically to feed everyone and others racing the clock to try to regenerate wasting lands. WE don't have the final say in this matter whether we want to or not.<<

      Thank God for the Russians! Guess your 'slip programming' glossed over the bit about the Russians demonstrating quite conclusively that ordinary 'gardeners' are more than capable of feeding everyone without recourse to desperate scientists 'racing against the clock' to save them. Even wee little Cuba managed to figure it out without their help. Not theory, they have real concrete results as proof.

      Perhaps the desperate scientists are from the same University you attended.
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  • Profile picture of the author morwanneg
    I don't think the world is overpopulated. People are just living too close to each other hence the pollution, the poverty and everything that is unfortunate.
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  • Profile picture of the author drm50
    At this time in history, I think one of the greatest contributions or gifts people could give would be to quit populating the earth. There are pros and cons as to how people view our world's population.

    In my view the true transformation that must take place is how we think and act. Are we truly concerned about improving living conditions for everyone or are we just concerned about ourselves?

    Proof is in the actions we take to live our lives. It does not matter so much what we did or thought yesterday, but it certainly does matter how we think and act today.

    I agree in part with what one warrior said about population explosion as being a symptom of other larger problems. However, that is not to say that if we keep populating our earth this is a good thing.

    Until we get our heads and values straight all the way down the chain of command, we are not going to improve the way we think about homeless elderly people, children without healthcare, people without enough money to buy food and poverty -famine.

    When we start to see the majority of wealth shift from profits, selfishness, private agendas, control and greed, to an action or new era of making sure everyone has enough money to survive, feed their families, have a roof over their head, adequate and humanistic health insurance, taking care of the elderly, etc... only than can we start to envision a world that is worth passing on to the future generations that will inherit it.

    We all must change the way we think and act to create a world and world population that can be happy and healthy without being deprived of the very essential things needed to survive. If we cannot change the way we think about these things, and choose to remain stuck in old worn out ideologies, selfishness and greedy intentions, things will only continue deteriorating.
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  • Profile picture of the author ForeverMoore
    Phnx, I could not read all but I read enough. I respect everybody's opinion in this thread, but I think your statements should end the thread.

    If one were just to locate a heat map of where everybody lives in the world, minus the ice in Siberia and sand in the Sahara, there is PLENTY of room.

    Now, if man chooses to corrupt it, that is on man not on Mother Earth.
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  • Profile picture of the author rootpixel
    Some countries like India and China have become overpopulated. This has created problems for the government and has increased workload.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Henshaw
      Some countries like India and China have become overpopulated. This has created problems for the government and has increased workload.
      That's your opinion. Don't forget that both those economies are growing faster than almost any other in the world. I wonder where the worlds power will reside in 50 years time.

      The USA and the West - perhaps - just.

      But in 100 years time? The countries of the East, I think.

      If the world doesn't end in 2012 I wonder what it will be like 100 years from now if nothing is done?
      Well I hope that it lasts out after 2012, since that's when one of my biggest mortgages is paid off.

      Now as for 100 years from now, well since I won't be there, I don't much care - at least I won't have to learn Mandarin Chinese - I'm so bad at learning new foreign languages!

      Sorry if this post seems facetious, but I felt the need to contribute.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    LOL Thanks for your contribution Jeff.

    I guess none of us will know who the world power will be in 100 years since none of us will be here. Hope it's not that new world order. But then again, who cares, we won't be here. And Chinese, that's gotta be a tough language to learn, especially how to write.

    So maybe-parts of the world are overpopulated, parts of the world are not overpopulated. End of story Very little we can do about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Star69
    No, there's lots we COULD do about it. We could nuke the rest of the world and claim the charred land and corpses for ourselves, or we could use those bombs that destroy every living thing but leave all the buildings intact, or we could blast the rest of the world with microwaves and cook everything, or we could mass produce hip hop music on a global scale and make everyone else leave the planet by their own hand (drink the Kool Aid), or we could mass produce McDonalds restaurants and kill everyone else in the world through a low-cost fast food diet (at least the Sudanese and Somalians would be happy for a little while), or we could just ignore it.

    Ignorance seems to work pretty well in the United States. We seem to have a lot of ignorance running loose in the streets in this country. Maybe we could export it?
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