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I Want To Go Vegan!!!! OMG NOOOO!!!

by jbearnolimits
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Ok so here is the deal...I have lived all my life on fried foods and meats. I have been called a meat and potato man. But I believe this lifestyle has led me to a bad end.

So I was looking at some documentaries on health and what we eat. It shocked me to see that the docs seem to be saying people with a plant based diet don't get cancer or heart attacks as much. Then I put two and two together. Aside from the environment with all of the toxins in the air and so forth the food we eat ranks way up there on how long we live.

I thought about it and finally thought about how in the bible people lived to be many hundred years old...then after the flood they started to die younger. It hit me that it wasn't until after the flood that they started to eat meat.

So I want to go vegan...at least try.

But I have no idea how to make good tasting vegan food. Any tips?
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    You ever hear about cain and able? In wikipedia:

    1Adam knew his wife Eve intimately, and she conceived and bore Cain. She said, "I have had a male child with the LORD's help."a[›]
    2Then she also bore his brother Abel. Now Abel became a shepherd of a flock, but Cain cultivated the land. 3In the course of time Cain presented some of the land's produce as an offering to the LORD. 4And Abel also presented [an offering]b[›] — some of the firstborn of his flock and their fat portions.c[›] The Lord had respect for Abel and his offering, 5but He did not have respect for Cain and his offering. Cain was furious, and he was downcast.[7]
    6Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why art thou furious? And why are thy downcast?[8] 7If thou do right, won't thou be accepted? But if thou do not do right, sin lieth at the door. And to thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
    8Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field."[9]
    And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
    —Genesis 4:1-8 (HCSB)
    LATER, they speak of clean and unclean. Many say it says noah had 2 of each animal. That is a MYTH! The bible said noah had 2 of each UNCLEAN animal! There were 14 of each CLEAN animal! WHY? FOOD!

    So don't think veganism is supported by the Bible. In point of fact, it ISN'T!

    But going vegan IS better in some ways. Of course, you really DON'T need PROTEIN! You need AMINO ACIDS! That is an important distinction because most animals have rather complete proteins and humans can get almost everything from them. Most plants do NOT have complete proteins, so you need to eat several different types. A popular example is beans and rice. Either is insufficient, but together they are fairly complete.

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    • Profile picture of the author Estelle T. Dunomes
      Way to go! " There is a way that seemeth right unto man but the end thereof is destruction". Direct quote I believe.

      So, there are tons of ways to start but realize that protein comes from various sources, not just flesh as in animals. I will send you some exciting stuff that will help you on your way.

      Just so you know, your body will crave meat for awhile. You may end up cutting out some meat rather than going full kilt cold turkey. For instance, you may stop red meat altogether while learning to bake delectable chicken once or twice per week. If you have no had a heart-attack, you might go this way for awhile.

      No, I am not saying to stay there; but to wean yourself off of meat over a designated period of time. And, with the incidence of hormones, antibiotics and feeding animals the flesh of themselves, animal diseases are running rampant in our bodies. No wonder there is a growing concern over super-bugs that do not react appropriately to antibiotics created to fight them. Could your body be one of those that does not get better due to one of these super-bugs?? You won't know until you're hit with something that does not respond to treatment.

      Why chance it? I'll send you some stuff later today. I hope you have a wonderful time with your journey. BTW, I am vegan and have been from some years. Don't miss the meat or its aftereffects.

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    • Profile picture of the author Estelle T. Dunomes
      I invite you to watch this Youtube video as well.

      Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

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  • Profile picture of the author freedom25
    You have made a great choice! Going vegan is the best thing I ever did. For me the main thing is knowing my money is not supporting the use and abuse of animals. I have been into factory farms and slaughter houses and it is the stuff of horror films.

    As far as food you will have no problem getting all the nutrients you need if you eat a varied plant based diet with the only exception being Vitamin B12. You can get it from nutritional yeast (great for 'cheese' sauce) and other foods, but it is a good idea to take a supplement as well. Animals used for meat and dairy are fed food that is supplemented with B12, so it is no more natural getting it that way. There are so many different recipes, as well as convenience foods you can eat. Here are a few links that you may find useful for recipes and information:

    http://vegankit.com/eat - loads of nutrition info and recipes
    http://www.forksoverknives.com/category/recipes/ - These are healthy recipes, but also really satisfying and delicious. I have tried Fast Pizzas, Sweet potato fries and mac and cheese (using nutritional yeast) all yummy!
    http://happyherbivore.com/

    Good luck! Feel free to contact me if you need any help with your transition.
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  • Profile picture of the author acesites
    It's a good decision.. Heath is one benefit, and preventing animal cruelty is another.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Let me suggest that you are going from one extreme to another. Kind-of like being a womanizing, alcoholic, drug abuser and making the decision to become a priest.

      Not smart!

      Your decision to change your current lifestyle is admirable. The way you go about that change can greatly influence your chance of success. "I will be 100% vegan by next Friday!" will put you through an emotional hell that can totally be avoided with a little better strategy.

      Additionally, there is one obstacle in your path that you may not be aware of yet... your level of self-discipline. Your current situation is born from a large amount of lazy thinking and a lack of planning. Don't think I am busting your chops about this, unfortunately, I speak as an authority.

      Let me suggest that you do NOT define your target goal as "being 100% vegan". Instead, define your success in more measurable terms: So many vegetables and fruits per day, a good target weight, or blood pressure, etc.

      Who knows, maybe in a few weeks to a few months you might be 100% vegan. If that works for you, great. If not, adjust and move on.

      Here is an interesting blog post and short video from a guy I follow. I think you will find it revealing.

      Why I Quit Being Vegan

      In any event, whatever route you choose, I wish you success.


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        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        Let me suggest that you are going from one extreme to another. Kind-of like being a womanizing, alcoholic, drug abuser and making the decision to become a priest. <snip>
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    REALIZE ALSO.... Vegan means NO eggs, milk, or fish.

    This means most baked goods are out ALSO!

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    • Profile picture of the author PandoraH
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      REALIZE ALSO.... Vegan means NO eggs, milk, or fish.

      This means most baked goods are out ALSO!

      Steve
      True, but a lot of really tasty, sweet snacks and such can be made with natural sweeteners, no flour, eggs, milk or cheese. The net is crammed with recipes for this stuff. A search for "paleo (food type)" can help in an intial search. Say what you will about the paleo fad, it's actually nothing more then a complete reduction of all proccessed food. Which is what eating healthy is all bout, right?
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by PandoraH View Post

        True, but a lot of really tasty, sweet snacks and such can be made with natural sweeteners, no flour, eggs, milk or cheese. The net is crammed with recipes for this stuff. A search for "paleo (food type)" can help in an intial search. Say what you will about the paleo fad, it's actually nothing more then a complete reduction of all proccessed food. Which is what eating healthy is all bout, right?
        YEP, that is why I said MOST baked goods. Most just HAPPEN to use tallow, milk, or eggs, in some form.

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        • Profile picture of the author retirewithsandie
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          YEP, that is why I said MOST baked goods. Most just HAPPEN to use tallow, milk, or eggs, in some form.

          Steve
          Just about all of them can be made Vegan. I haven't looked up *everything* but there's a Vegan alternative for just about every ingredient (either a "milk" or an ingredient that acts like the egg or whatever it is). Depending on what the egg is suppose to do you can use egg replacer (not the liquid egg thing it's a powder), bananas, etc. I need to find it, but there was one I came across for a Vegan Condensed Milk recipe.

          Every baked good that I ate as an Omni, I have been able to make Vegan. Now there could be something that I've never had but I have a few friends who have authored cookbooks & a few who own Vegan bakeries who could help me if need arose .
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by retirewithsandie View Post

            Every baked good that I ate as an Omni, I have been able to make Vegan. Now there could be something that I've never had but I have a few friends who have authored cookbooks & a few who own Vegan bakeries who could help me if need arose .
            So now we are called OMNIS? YIKES! What do you call ME? I tend to stay away from insects!

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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              So now we are called OMNIS? YIKES! What do you call ME? I tend to stay away from insects!

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        Originally Posted by PandoraH View Post

        True, but a lot of really tasty, sweet snacks and such can be made with natural sweeteners, no flour, eggs, milk or cheese. The net is crammed with recipes for this stuff. A search for "paleo (food type)" can help in an intial search. Say what you will about the paleo fad, it's actually nothing more then a complete reduction of all proccessed food. Which is what eating healthy is all bout, right?
        Paleo diets, however, are usually pro-meat. They are less enthusiastic about dairy because that was developed later in the course of human civilization. Most paleo diets (there are different interpretations) would have you eat natural or organic meat.

        One criticism of vegan diets is that there is no historical evidence of anyone eating this way in pre-modern times. You have certain groups and religions who eat a meatless diet, such as many Hindus, but in this case dairy is consumed so it's not vegan.

        My own diet is about 99%+ vegetarian but I'm not ready to go vegan and doubt if I ever will be. I do try to stick to organic animal products (yogurt, cheese, eggs, etc.). But some people apparently thrive as vegans, so I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. There are some good ethical and environmental arguments for it.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by PandoraH View Post

        True, but a lot of really tasty, sweet snacks and such can be made with natural sweeteners, no flour, eggs, milk or cheese. The net is crammed with recipes for this stuff. A search for "paleo (food type)" can help in an intial search. Say what you will about the paleo fad, it's actually nothing more then a complete reduction of all proccessed food. Which is what eating healthy is all bout, right?
        Or you can eat fruits, nuts and berries for snacks

        That's what my mother called dinner when I was a kid.
        Growing up in my family processed food was my aunt making Sauerkraut in a crock in the basement or my mother canning veggies from the garden or making jelly from our grapes.
        Meat and dairy weren't the big issue that they are today. We would get our milk fresh from the cow from the dairy farm that surrounded us. Eggs and chicken came from a different farmer but you had to catch and kill our chicken. Most of the farms also had a hog or two for butchering and maybe a beef cow also.


        The question I always ask vegans is what do you think would happen to all the cows, hogs, chickens and other animals that we use for food if everyone stopped eating them? Haven't gotten an answer yet.

        By the way I am totally against factory farms no matter what the raise or grow.
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        • Profile picture of the author PandoraH
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          Or you can eat fruits, nuts and berries for snacks

          That's what my mother called dinner when I was a kid.
          Growing up in my family processed food was my aunt making Sauerkraut in a crock in the basement or my mother canning veggies from the garden or making jelly from our grapes.
          Meat and dairy weren't the big issue that they are today. We would get our milk fresh from the cow from the dairy farm that surrounded us. Eggs and chicken came from a different farmer but you had to catch and kill our chicken. Most of the farms also had a hog or two for butchering and maybe a beef cow also.


          The question I always ask vegans is what do you think would happen to all the cows, hogs, chickens and other animals that we use for food if everyone stopped eating them? Haven't gotten an answer yet.

          By the way I am totally against factory farms no matter what the raise or grow.
          Damn, I wish I had been you growing up. Seriously. In my humble opinion, living like that is the best way to go. Heck, it's common for people in other countries to do this, and I bet they have much better health.

          As for your thoughts on factory farms, I so agree!
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by PandoraH View Post

            Damn, I wish I had been you growing up. Seriously. In my humble opinion, living like that is the best way to go. Heck, it's common for people in other countries to do this, and I bet they have much better health.

            As for your thoughts on factory farms, I so agree!
            You wouldn't of wanted to be me when it was haying season or at 5a.m. shoveling cow manure
            But I do feel that I had a great childhood growing up when and where I did and wouldn't trade it for anything.
            From what I've read one of the ways Russia solved it's food problem was to get away from the large factory farms and go back to small organic farms and vegetable plots in each community.
            There's plenty of land available to do that and it is much easier to develop a small organic garden that would feed a family and have excess to sell then people think.

            It's because of the farms I grew up around that makes me so opposed to factory farms. The farmers knew that a healthy cow or a field with healthy soil was the key to their farming. There's a farmer down the road from me now who raised grass fed Angus Beef. He has a couple fields he grows hay for winter fed in and you never see any type of chemical used on them. He more concerned and careful over what he feeds his cows then most parents are over what they feed their kids. That's the way the farms around me growing up where like.
            Just so you know I live in New York State right across the Hudson River from the state capital.
            New York has over 7 million acres of farm land which is 25% of our land with the average farm being a little over 200 acres.
            We also have the largest state park in the U.S. totaling over 6 million acres and numerous smaller ones.
            I think we're at around 75% of the state is wilderness or farm land.
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            • Profile picture of the author PandoraH
              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              You wouldn't of wanted to be me when it was haying season or at 5a.m. shoveling cow manure
              But I do feel that I had a great childhood growing up when and where I did and wouldn't trade it for anything.
              Being up at 5 am sure isn't my thing. The shoveling of cow manure, maybe not so bad. In winter, I don't ever want to get up unless the sun shines.

              But Thom, until I was 14 live a crazy, sequestered life with a hardcore uh...god fearing women. NO COMMENTS! My point to this is that for all those years, I was forced to be a complete vegan, most of the time we lived in the middle of nowwhere with no plumbing (outhouses do not count), no electricity, no heat, yada yada. And to think this was her choice. But, I sure got to be outdoors a lot, and that means a lot to me even unto this day.
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by PandoraH View Post

                Being up at 5 am sure isn't my thing. The shoveling of cow manure, maybe not so bad. In winter, I don't ever want to get up unless the sun shines.

                But Thom, until I was 14 live a crazy, sequestered life with a hardcore uh...god fearing women. NO COMMENTS! My point to this is that for all those years, I was forced to be a complete vegan, most of the time we lived in the middle of nowwhere with no plumbing (outhouses do not count), no electricity, no heat, yada yada. And to think this was her choice. But, I sure got to be outdoors a lot, and that means a lot to me even unto this day.
                Amish aren't even that strict! Orthodox jews stop with any fire/electric things on friday/saturday but otherwise have no problems there.

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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by PandoraH View Post

                Being up at 5 am sure isn't my thing. The shoveling of cow manure, maybe not so bad. In winter, I don't ever want to get up unless the sun shines.

                But Thom, until I was 14 live a crazy, sequestered life with a hardcore uh...god fearing women. NO COMMENTS! My point to this is that for all those years, I was forced to be a complete vegan, most of the time we lived in the middle of nowwhere with no plumbing (outhouses do not count), no electricity, no heat, yada yada. And to think this was her choice. But, I sure got to be outdoors a lot, and that means a lot to me even unto this day.
                Yeah the only time I see 5 am now a days is if I have to get up and go to the bathroom, then it's back to bed till a reasonable hour
                The cow manure wasn't bad. In fact I still smile when I ride past a farm and its odor fills the air. To me it's a smell of country living.
                Some people choose lifestyles that to others seem strange. I know some people who where born and raised in a city who said they couldn't survive growing up like I did. I tend to think the same about them
                Being outdoors a lot means a lot to me also. I'm much more comfortable being in the wild (so to speak) then being in the confines of a building or city. Living with nature gives a meaning to being responsible for your actions that simply can't be taught or explained.
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                  Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                  Yeah the only time I see 5 am now a days is if I have to get up and go to the bathroom, then it's back to bed till a reasonable hour
                  The cow manure wasn't bad. In fact I still smile when I ride past a farm and its odor fills the air. To me it's a smell of country living.
                  Some people choose lifestyles that to others seem strange. I know some people who where born and raised in a city who said they couldn't survive growing up like I did. I tend to think the same about them
                  Being outdoors a lot means a lot to me also. I'm much more comfortable being in the wild (so to speak) then being in the confines of a building or city. Living with nature gives a meaning to being responsible for your actions that simply can't be taught or explained.
                  Headed out for 4 days of it in the AM. I don't get how people get used to being confined, but glad they like it because with 7 bil, there'd be NO wilds if they all liked it.

                  Tif - I'm surprised that as sick as you were a year or so ago they didn't make you start getting some animal protein again, at least now and then.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                    Headed out for 4 days of it in the AM. I don't get how people get used to being confined, but glad they like it because with 7 bil, there'd be NO wilds if they all liked it.

                    Tif - I'm surprised that as sick as you were a year or so ago they didn't make you start getting some animal protein again, at least now and then.
                    The wild strawberries are fully ripe now and the blackberries are starting to ripen.
                    I figure I must of been a sight today. Squatting on the side of the road eating strawberries with one hand and twirling a drum stick with my other hand
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                    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                      The wild strawberries are fully ripe now and the blackberries are starting to ripen.
                      I figure I must of been a sight today. Squatting on the side of the road eating strawberries with one hand and twirling a drum stick with my other hand
                      Cute image, for sure.

                      Don't forget about all those black raspberries down by the cemetery. I'd kill to be in the vicinity of some of those right now. Almost thought about going back to my sister's for a week or so to get a truck load of them.
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                        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                        Tif - I'm surprised that as sick as you were a year or so ago they didn't make you start getting some animal protein again, at least now and then.
                        That didn't have anything to do with animals protein. Probably had to do with severe stress and my immune system being so low. I was in a very bad place - and now I'm going through a divorce, YEA!

                        My video blogs show a transition even. Before, you can see it all over my face. Now, it's washed away. It'll be cool seeing how my immune system works this year now that I'm not feeling so horrid.
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                          Originally Posted by TiffanyLambert View Post

                          It'll be cool seeing how my immune system works this year now that I'm not feeling so horrid.
                          Tiffany, I'm rather new here and I don't know exactly what happened to you, but I have been through some nasty immune system problems myself, and my goodness it's nasty. In my late teens and early 20's I dumped a ton of crap food and soda into my body for the first time, and the results were quite unpleasant. Eating better became a big priority after that.

                          I do eat meat, but not nearly as much as when I was in my 30's. I am cooking a lot more, and trying to avoid processed food as much as possible. I know it's way healthy to be a total vegan, but I've been there, and it's just not for me.
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                            Originally Posted by PandoraH View Post

                            Tiffany, I'm rather new here and I don't know exactly what happened to you, but I have been through some nasty immune system problems myself, and my goodness it's nasty. In my late teens and early 20's I dumped a ton of crap food and soda into my body for the first time, and the results were quite unpleasant. Eating better became a big priority after that.

                            I do eat meat, but not nearly as much as when I was in my 30's. I am cooking a lot more, and trying to avoid processed food as much as possible. I know it's way healthy to be a total vegan, but I've been there, and it's just not for me.
                            Yeah no way I could go vegan. LOL! I admire those who can - I just can't. But vegetarian I can handle
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                        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                          Originally Posted by TiffanyLambert View Post

                          That didn't have anything to do with animals protein. Probably had to do with severe stress and my immune system being so low. I was in a very bad place - and now I'm going through a divorce, YEA!

                          My video blogs show a transition even. Before, you can see it all over my face. Now, it's washed away. It'll be cool seeing how my immune system works this year now that I'm not feeling so horrid.
                          Oh stress will definitely take down your immune system if you let it. Coping isn't as hard as they make it sound - there's a knack to it, but it's not hard to get control. Unfortunately, sometimes you have to crash before you realize you're flying short of an engine.
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  • Profile picture of the author PandoraH
    Originally Posted by jbearnolimits View Post

    So I was looking at some documentaries on health and what we eat. It shocked me to see that the docs seem to be saying people with a plant based diet don't get cancer or heart attacks as much. Then I put two and two together. Aside from the environment with all of the toxins in the air and so forth the food we eat ranks way up there on how long we live.

    So I want to go vegan...at least try.

    But I have no idea how to make good tasting vegan food. Any tips?
    Way to go. And I wish you luck, if course. But be aware it's really really really hard. I suggest you do not do it all at once. Your cravings for certain foods are deeply ingrained, and going cold turkey on it all at once is pretty horrible.

    Also, if you do not know much about cooking, your first order of business should be a book about the "principles of cooking". May be boring, but if you want to cook real, non-toxic food over the long haul, it's going to be a skill you need. I suggest hitting a used bookstore for such an item (support local business), and if that doesn't get you what you need, try Amazon.
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    Originally Posted by jbearnolimits View Post

    I was looking at some documentaries on health and what we eat. It shocked me to see that the docs seem to be saying people with a plant based diet don't get cancer or heart attacks as much.
    There does seem to be some evidence that some people who eat very little or no red meat have a reduced incidence of some types of cancer and coronary arterial disease, but it's notoriously complicated and difficult to interpret, as there are usually so many additional correlative factors involved that the true causation can be close-to-impossible to determine. In any case, one solution to that problem (if indeed you determine that it's a "problem" that needs a "solution") is simply to eat very much less, or no, red meat, rather than necessarily going the whole hog (as it were) toward veganism.
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      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      There does seem to be some evidence that some people who eat very little or no red meat have a reduced incidence of some types of cancer and coronary arterial disease, but it's notoriously complicated and difficult to interpret, as there are usually so many additional correlative factors involved that the true causation can be close-to-impossible to determine.

      Actually, it may not be quite that complex.

      Watch this video...


      Cornell University professor T. Colin Campbell, presents overwhelming evidence that animal protein (especially dairy) is one of the most potent carcinogens people are exposed to.

      He also explains why genetics are NOT as big a factor with cancer as "some people" seem to think.

      Perhaps most interesting of all, is the fact that they've been able to TURN CANCER OFF simply by lowering animal protein intake levels to 5% (which is FAR lower than the typical diet).

      It's fascinating stuff...

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        Originally Posted by Johnny12345 View Post

        Actually, it may not be quite that complex.

        Watch this video...

        Animal Protein -- Meat and Dairy -- Cause Cancer - YouTube

        Cornell University professor T. Colin Campbell, presents overwhelming evidence that animal protein (especially dairy) is one of the most potent carcinogens people are exposed to.

        He also explains why genetics are NOT as big a factor with cancer as "some people" seem to think.

        Perhaps most interesting of all, is the fact that they've been able to TURN CANCER OFF simply by lowering animal protein intake levels to 5% (which is FAR lower than the typical diet).

        It's fascinating stuff...

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        Without first watching the video let me ask you something.
        Is he blaming the meat and dairy or the way the animals producing those products are fed unnatural diets and pumped with chemicals?
        Cancer rates are extremely higher today then they where 50 years ago even though back then almost everybody ate meat and dairy products. In other words is he blaming the package while ignoring the contents?
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I met a Vietnamese woman who is allergic to all forms of meat, so has had a vegan diet her entire life. She has a young daughter, around 4, who I noted was rather sturdy-looking and quite athletic -- playing soccer with older boys, climbing ropes etc -- before learning that she too is on a vegan diet. I have to admit that my image of vegans before that was pale and sickly-looking because that is how most of the vegans I've come across were.
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  • Profile picture of the author adamprattler
    so is being a vegan like being a good christian now? damn vegans are becoming radical
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  • Profile picture of the author serryjw
    J Bear... As a senior I went through the same evolution. Don't worry about titles. Going totally vegan is a lifestyle with enormous commitment of time & money. There are so many things you can do to greatly improve your diet & life.
    First, buy a smoothie machine...come in all prices. I make a vegetable & fruit smoothie
    at least once a day. I add what ever fruit is in season.An Asian lady suggested I add avocado, very big back home. I eat no ANIMAL. I gave up beef, chicken, turkey & pork...I do eat fish and shellfish. I eat organic dairy substitutes.
    Getting off of GMO is very important. You must learn how to read labels...Monsanto is killing us.
    Learning Yoga and getting the stress reduced( handled) will be a major contributor to future health.
    Do this for 3-6 months and then decide what else you can give up.
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    I suggest to everyone to watch this. If you don't have a science background, you may need to watch twice. As a 21 year cancer survivor, I have to agree with the video. WE create dis-ease...and can prevent it.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    Milk is not hard to replace. I'm not even vegan, but I always buy almond milk, coconut milk or hemp milk instead of real milk. I try to avoid soy milk, though. In fact, it's a challenge not to eat too much soy and tofu if you're a vegan. If you're not familiar with it, look up "dangers of soy."
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      Milk is not hard to replace. I'm not even vegan, but I always buy almond milk, coconut milk or hemp milk instead of real milk. I try to avoid soy milk, though. In fact, it's a challenge not to eat too much soy and tofu if you're a vegan. If you're not familiar with it, look up "dangers of soy."
      I love all three of those milks
      I still use cows milk in my coffee and cereal though.
      I think I do that though because the milk I use is organic with Omega-3. It's probably just me, but I get a kick out of the idea that I'm drinking milk with sardine and anchovy oil in it
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I think life forms should eat what is natural for that form of life. If you look at human teeth - you can see we are supposed to eat at least some meat. We are naturally omnivores. Most people over-do that - and most eat meat that barely even resembles meat anymore the animals are so loaded down with chemicals and foods not natural for them either.

    I eat mostly veggies, some fruit - and don't eat a lot of meat, but make up for it with milk, cheese, and eggs. I could quit eating meat as long as I had those three things. If your diet is lacking in an element required by your body that you have to take supplements to provide - you're not eating a diet natural for your body.

    I don't think I'd ever mess with a diet totally void of animal proteins.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I think life forms should eat what is natural for that form of life. If you look at human teeth - you can see we are supposed to eat at least some meat. We are naturally omnivores. Most people over-do that - and most eat meat that barely even resembles meat anymore the animals are so loaded down with chemicals and foods not natural for them either.

      I eat mostly veggies, some fruit - and don't eat a lot of meat, but make up for it with milk, cheese, and eggs. I could quit eating meat as long as I had those three things. If your diet is lacking in an element required by your body that you have to take supplements to provide - you're not eating a diet natural for your body.

      I don't think I'd ever mess with a diet totally void of animal proteins.
      I don't know if I could fully agree with that. I think ALL primates have teeth made for omnivores, but most AREN'T omnivores. Still, though there are some nice things about a vegan diet, meat IS the most complete protein for people. Many speak of protein, but saying protein is like saying vitamin. You could overdose on either and be deficient in parts of it. Protein is only good for the amino acids, just like vitamins are only good for the A,B,C,D,E,K, etc....

      And some humans actually need some amino acids that others don't. Likewise, not all primates are the same.

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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Awes
        I've tried meat only diets...
        I've tried non-meat diets...
        I've tried fruit only diets...
        I've tried being a vegan...

        All are good but all have left me hungry for the foods I haven't been able to eat.

        My conclusions:
        -- Eat regularly,
        -- Eat good portions
        -- Eat with variety in mind
        -- And of course exercise often

        It works for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author lcombs
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I think life forms should eat what is natural for that form of life. If you look at human teeth - you can see we are supposed to eat at least some meat. We are naturally omnivores. Most people over-do that - and most eat meat that barely even resembles meat anymore the animals are so loaded down with chemicals and foods not natural for them either.

      I eat mostly veggies, some fruit - and don't eat a lot of meat, but make up for it with milk, cheese, and eggs. I could quit eating meat as long as I had those three things. If your diet is lacking in an element required by your body that you have to take supplements to provide - you're not eating a diet natural for your body.

      I don't think I'd ever mess with a diet totally void of animal proteins.
      Yeah, what Sal said!

      And, there is evidence that proves a vegan diet is no more healthy than a natural omnivore diet. And, in fact, may be less healthy.
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    Originally Posted by jbearnolimits View Post

    Ok so here is the deal...I have lived all my life on fried foods and meats. I have been called a meat and potato man. But I believe this lifestyle has led me to a bad end.

    So I was looking at some documentaries on health and what we eat. It shocked me to see that the docs seem to be saying people with a plant based diet don't get cancer or heart attacks as much. Then I put two and two together. Aside from the environment with all of the toxins in the air and so forth the food we eat ranks way up there on how long we live.

    I thought about it and finally thought about how in the bible people lived to be many hundred years old...then after the flood they started to die younger. It hit me that it wasn't until after the flood that they started to eat meat.

    So I want to go vegan...at least try.

    But I have no idea how to make good tasting vegan food. Any tips?
    You might want to start out as a pescatarian (fish only as far as meat) - they live longer than vegetarians or vegans!

    However, I'm a vegetarian - Seventh Day Adventists (which I was brought up as), live longer than most other people and my family has lived into their upper 90s while I see others dying off at 60+.

    I wrote a Kindle book for $0.99 called Becoming a Vegetarian Against Your Will.

    It's all about how I did it - it wasn't pretty at first. It wasn't perfect food, but it WAS vegetarian. You have to grieve almost over the loss of meat but it's like smoking cessation - the cravings eventually go away. I wrote the book in kind of a funny way

    I've been hardcore vegetarian for 3 years now (and off and on as a child when my parents would fluctuate with it).

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
    My Grandma has always said "Everything in moderation" - great "rule" to live-by.


    You don't have to limit yourself to certain things, "Everything in moderation" as they say with some sort of physical exercise every day and your good.

    You only live once, may as well live a little

    With that being said, I used to know a guy that yo-yo'd around 320 - 400 pounds, he lived until he was 70. I also used to know a guy called Pete, he was a health freak, you know the type? He died at 51 years of age from....You guessed it, a heart attack.

    "Everything in moderation"
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  • Profile picture of the author subisa852
    Good luck for you brother for letting go of meat out of your life! It means no pizza, burgers and chicken for you. I do hope you can survive and update us how's your life so far on doing a healthy life style.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    How's that tree bark & seaweed taste?

    I would never give up steak with mushrooms sauteed in Lea & Perrins worcestershire Sauce, not going to happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author coops123
    Honestly don't see the point, humans are mean't to eat meat for a balanced diet and nutrition
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by coops123 View Post

      Honestly don't see the point, humans are mean't to eat meat for a balanced diet and nutrition
      Or if we weren't meant to eat meat, why does bacon taste so good?
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      • Profile picture of the author coops123
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Or if we weren't meant to eat meat, why does bacon taste so good?
        Haha very true
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  • Profile picture of the author stefa191
    Raw vegan is the best, but some reported that they lost many pounds and feel fatigue all the time. Furthermore, you can't escape from diarrhea and constipation problems, at least the very first weeks.
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