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16 Of Your Favorite Things That Climate Change Is Totally Screwing Up:

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Below is a list of things of things that will be negatively affected by climate change that may not immediately come to mind when someone says "the greenhouse effect"



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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    How about focusing on the possible benefits of climate change? I'm not kidding. Whether you believe that climate change is manmade, part of a natural cycle or some combination of the two, what's the point of dwelling on all the catastrophic consequences?

    Most of the mainstream environmentalist rhetoric on global warming is engaging in fear mongering. You might say that their motives are pure -that they're trying to scare us into changing our ways. But for the most part, they are saying it's too late anyway.

    A change in mindset could be helpful. This isn't to say that we shouldn't take better care of the planet. Certainly, many changes are in order. However, if the climate is changing it only seems logical that there are potential benefits. For example:

    Greenland reaps benefits of global warming - Climate Change - Environment - The Independent
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

      Certainly, many changes are in order.
      Exactly so - and that's why it's important to make people increasingly aware of all the unexpected ways that climate change adversely impacts their everyday lives, as in the post linked-to above, otherwise those changes aren't going to happen, hello ...
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        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Exactly so - and that's why it's important to make people increasingly aware of all the unexpected ways that climate change adversely impacts their everyday lives, as in the post linked-to above, otherwise those changes aren't going to happen, hello ...
        I'm not saying that the problems shouldn't be addressed, but there's hardly a shortage of discussions on this. In fact, that's about all we hear about. I'm suggesting that it would also be helpful to take note of how we could actually reap benefits from climate change, as heretical as that may sound.

        Anyone who is old enough to remember the 1970s may recall the scary predictions made by environmentalists such as Paul Ehrlich, who wrote The Population Bomb among other books.

        Early editions of The Population Bomb began with the statement:
        The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate.

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        On the other side of the political spectrum, right wing survivalists in the late 70s were predicting the imminent collapse of society. Many still are, of course.

        I think both environmentalists and survivalists (now more commonly called preppers) have some valid arguments but both tend to be alarmist in tone. There are often economic and political incentives to scaring people as well.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

          I'm not saying that the problems shouldn't be addressed, but there's hardly a shortage of discussions on this. In fact, that's about all we hear about. I'm suggesting that it would also be helpful to take note of how we could actually reap benefits from climate change, as heretical as that may sound.

          Anyone who is old enough to remember the 1970s may recall the scary predictions made by environmentalists such as Paul Ehrlich, who wrote The Population Bomb among other books.

          Early editions of The Population Bomb began with the statement:
          The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate.

          The Population Bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
          It is IRONIC! Back then, they said to move AWAY from paper to save trees, etc... NOW, people are moving BACK! Anyway, if you want to cut down CO2, there is only ONE way to do it!!!!!!! SAVE THE PLANTS!

          MY way? Plants use CO2, make food, help keep land in good condition, the air is breathable, etc.... Of course, people will likely try to stop having kids. Governments plan? CO2 increases geometrically if we don't increase production at all, and we die of asphyxiation. That might take dozens of years, and assumes enough people survive, but it WILL happen. You can NOT stop the prodution of CO2. EVEN if you could.... Let's say that all countries STOPPED generating CO2. China will get more business and they will NOT stop! They have said as much.

          This has been talked about for a long time. Let's see a great talk about it in sci fi....


          They speak of:

          1. Being disease free, as we aspire.
          2. An increased lifespan, as we have gotten
          3. Rising birthrate/population, as we have.
          4. No rest/peace/joy, as things are getting here
          5. No birth control, as many here are.

          On the other side of the political spectrum, right wing survivalists in the late 70s were predicting the imminent collapse of society. Many still are, of course.

          I think both environmentalists and survivalists (now more commonly called preppers) have some valid arguments but both tend to be alarmist in tone. There are often economic and political incentives to scaring people as well.
          It HAS collapsed, and is collapsing.

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      • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
        Chili peppers, beer and wine? F' the planet's well-being, all I need to hear next is that onions will suffer, too, and I'll jump off the cliff right away. Life will be pointless without them.

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        that's why it's important to make people increasingly aware of all the unexpected ways that climate change adversely impacts their everyday lives, as in the post linked-to above, otherwise those changes aren't going to happen, hello ...
        I never, ever, considered these "side-effects", and I'm sure most people don't. My impression is that most people believe it will be a little warmer and a little more water on the planet, that's all - so why worry?

        On the other hand, I don't think a significant amount of people will all of a sudden become more aware of what they do and how they pollute by knowing this type of side-effects. Most people have too much of a busy life, try to make ends meet, or whatever, to carry about stuff like this. They care about what's going to happen tomorrow, not the next century. And I don't blame them.

        The key, then, would be to re-enforce a climate-conscious behavior by law, in one way or another. At first, people won't like it, but they'll eventually have to adapt. Plus, newer generations won't know what they're missing out on, and have no problem to adapt, at all.

        Lastly, I don't want to point fingers, but there are two big countries (among others) who haven't signed the Kyoto Protocol.* In one, the iPhone is designed, in the other, the iPhone is, as they like to say, "assembled".

        We can pedal or walk all day long, but if "superpowers" don't do something about their emissions, then my feet will going to hurt for no reason.

        *To be honest, I have no idea if these two countries refused to sign the treaty because there were some clauses they didn't agree with, but have their own legislation to reduce emissions.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    LarryC --

    Millions DID die of starvation in the 70's - or do you count "people" as only Americans?

    There are around 1.5 billion people starving right now and 25,000 starvation deaths of just children daily. I'm sure none of those people find the prediction of world starvation a joke. We are also losing millions of hectars of arable land every year. Monsanto fields are also sterilizing soil of the bacteria that MAKES more soil.

    Just because you have food on your plate every day doesn't mean that there aren't billions who don't - starvation is an extremely real problem, and as millions of hectares are laid to waste every year, and the price of food climbs, it's not going to get better for billions who are dying and will die from starvation now and in the coming years.

    Let em eat cake, right.
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    • Profile picture of the author LarryC
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      LarryC --

      Millions DID die of starvation in the 70's - or do you count "people" as only Americans?

      There are around 1.5 billion people starving right now and 25,000 starvation deaths of just children daily. I'm sure none of those people find the prediction of world starvation a joke. We are also losing millions of hectars of arable land every year. Monsanto fields are also sterilizing soil of the bacteria that MAKES more soil.

      Just because you have food on your plate every day doesn't mean that there aren't billions who don't - starvation is an extremely real problem, and as millions of hectares are laid to waste every year, and the price of food climbs, it's not going to get better for billions who are dying and will die from starvation now and in the coming years.

      Let em eat cake, right.
      No one is saying that people aren't starving. The point is that it never occurred on the scale predicted by Ehrlich. The problem with discussing these kind of issues is that people immediately jump on you and imply you said something you didn't.

      For example, if I say that there are positive aspects to climate change, people assume I mean we should ignore the negative aspects. If I say that certain alarmists exaggerated the harm done by overpopulation, I'm accused of denying that anyone is suffering. Things aren't that black and white.

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

        No one is saying that people aren't starving. The point is that it never occurred on the scale predicted by Ehrlich. The problem with discussing these kind of issues is that people immediately jump on you and imply you said something you didn't.

        For example, if I say that there are positive aspects to climate change, people assume I mean we should ignore the negative aspects. If I say that certain alarmists exaggerated the harm done by overpopulation, I'm accused of denying that anyone is suffering. Things aren't that black and white.

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        Sorry - I mistook what you said. I thought you were saying there is no starvation.

        I never heard that mass starvation on the scale of "all humans at jeapordy" would start in the 70's. That's when we should have started working on real sustainability, though. They knew then what the population increase was going to be.

        Right now famine is a man-made price/distribution war. Natural famine on the large scale isn't supposed to start for around another decade. Until then it's all our govs choosing to starve people out, and which ones.

        The problems we have to solve immediately are - poisoning bees, sterilizing soil, desertification. You can't grow most plants without the bees, and if there is no soil, there is no life. Period. You also can't grow in soil that has been desertificated, yet that one is the easiest of the three problems to solve.
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        • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          desertification
          Can deserts be reclaimed to grow vegetation again? I was just curious if there is a known instance where a desert has decreased in size.
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Yep, last time we had global warming, in the middle ages we had record crop harvests, especially grapes or wine!

            Funny thing was, it didn't continue so we all got fried, and 90% of the Earths population perished!


            Which is the sort of Greene crap science spouted these days!


            We even had a mini ice ace, in England from the late 1800's to early 1900.


            If GW stops and we enter into a cool period, l can guarantee you because of large sums of cash, there will be plenty of crap science pushed to get their hands, or continue to get their hands on some of it.


            We are in a Global Warming bubble, and one day it will burst, nothing more, nothing less!


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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              We even had a mini ice ace, in England from the late 1800's to early 1900.
              Wow, now you're really showing your age, Shane! :p

              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              We are in a Global Warming bubble, and one day it will burst, nothing more, nothing less!
              You seem to have the same degree of certainty about this that you have that there's life on Mars? While professional scientists who've been studying this phenomenon for decades mostly have far less certainty and confidence in what they're saying than you do in what you're saying? It's interesting, but it's puzzling, too: where does all this certainty come from? :confused:
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              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                Wow, now you're really showing your age, Shane! :p



                You seem to have the same degree of certainty about this that you have that there's life on Mars? While professional scientists who've been studying this phenomenon for decades mostly have far less certainty and confidence in what they're saying than you do in what you're saying? It's interesting, but it's puzzling, too: where does all this certainty come from? :confused:

                It mainly comes from, the climate group in the 70's making several predictions, that didn't happen!

                According to them, most of the population by now should be starving to death, and the like!

                And the fact that the Earth goes through natural warming and cooling cycles, so it is virtually impossible to say we have caused this by ourselves.


                True, l would agree that we have effected our Earths climate, but not by any degree that should cause any negative alarm.

                There are also some underlining facts that the fanatical GW group don't talk about which are...

                • The earth is neutral, or cooling and has been since 1997.

                • The Earths poles have shifted a substantial amount, so one pole is losing record amounts of snow, but, the other pole is gaining record amounts of snow.

                Or in other words, a couple of centimeters of ocean levels rising isn't a good reason to panic, especially if this wasn't the case, we should be seeing the 1 meter, (BS science) ocean level increase instead.

                • Global temp, have been shown to correlate to the suns, temperate increases or decreases, (sunspot activity).

                The sun is also due to swap it's poles at any time, last time it did this was around the year 2000.


                This is the main reason, l don't believe in it, spending your whole life, scared for the future, is counter productive, to yourself and others, (great for politicians, though).


                And as Sal, has said previously in another post, if the ruling class really believed in this, then instead of pouring 40 billion into fission, (they still can't get over the having to strip the guts out of the inner chamber after a few runs) they would instead by pouring it into crystal batteries, or zero point energy, or continuous free, clean energy sources.

                The main reason they are pouring so much into this is because individuals can't recreate it in their back yards, and it doesn't threaten oil profits, if they ever make it commercially viable?


                And before we get into, do l believe that free energy is real, l have tested it, and it is genuine, so enough said.


                Add up all the available evidence, and it is obviously that the GW movement has dodgy foundations!


                As for life on Mars, if l see a house on Mars with a door with handles, etc, and a roof, with support beams, etc, l tend to believe that intelligent life was or is there!


                Truth is truth, regardless of fear, etc!


                Shane

                Wow, now you're really showing your age, Shane! :p
                Yeah, l am really 210 years old, but keep it under your hat!!!! :rolleyes:
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                • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  if l see a house on Mars with a door with handles, etc, and a roof, with support beams, etc, l tend to believe that intelligent life was or is there!
                  Yup ... can't argue with you there: I'd think that, too, if I saw that.

                  You'd think all the scientists studying this stuff would, too, though? Call me a skepchick but I'm even wondering whether you and they have looked at the same things, when you think you've seen a house with a door with handles etc., but they don't actually think they've seen that? None of them. In spite all their collective decades of study, research, interpretations, qualifications, and experience, and all the rest of it. But since you're so certain that you're right and they're all wrong, I'm going to take your word for it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                    Yup ... can't argue with you there: I'd think that, too, if I saw that.

                    You'd think all the scientists studying this stuff would, too, though? Call me a skepchick but I'm even wondering whether you and they have looked at the same things, and you think you've seen a house with a door with handles etc., but they don't actually think they've seen that? None of them. In spite all their collective decades of study, research, interpretations, qualifications, and experience, and all the rest of it. But since you're so certain that you're right and they're all wrong, I'm going to take your word for it.

                    Believe me, there is far more stuff on Mars they are leading on to, and NASA scientists scour all the images they release to the general public.

                    Although they do occasionally release some decent ones, (like the house) to us!

                    I hate to say it, but they are probably releasing this stuff, in a sensible way; If they released the lot, then, mass killings, trashing the streets, social unrest, and the like would probably be the case!

                    You can't show HD images of life and advanced structures on Mars, etc to a die hard skeptic, without them being shocked to their core, and some going on a rampage.

                    But l suspect that this sort of announcement will probably occur in our lifetimes.


                    Keeping your head in the sand is fine, but only if you are prepared for the truck!


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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

            Can deserts be reclaimed to grow vegetation again? I was just curious if there is a known instance where a desert has decreased in size.
            You can't just replant desertificated soil and expect stuff to grow, no. Japan has developed a system that uses pipes of cold water under the soil. They sweat and keep the soil hydrated. They plant the pipes in some sort of mulch that retains the water. It's spendy and I'm not sure how much area they can cover - or how long it takes to decrease the salience that builds up in desertificated land. It's about the only feesible way they've found so far though. Soil takes 500 years to produce and with MONSANTO killing all the bacteria needed to produce soil, we're in some deep dooky for future crop growing as what we are using now is pretty much depleted in the first place even where poisons aren't killing the bacteria. THIS is the number one problem with future food security, not weather. If you go over global yields for the last couple of years, they are a lot stronger than most years for the previous decade which was warmer, though.

            Thank goodness we're getting some really cold winters in most of the Northern areas now. Out here, we're still kinda waiting for summer and the season's almost over.
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  • Profile picture of the author GrowTutor
    Climate change alarmists have completely screwed up trust in science with their junk science and it's completely ruined the alarmists' ability to accept reality.


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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    Beer, football, poison ivy and waves?

    That pushed me over the edge, I'm a true believer now. :=)

    All cynicism aside, if it will help stop pollution, heck, I don't care how we get there. It would be insane to think the earth, or our population, is sustainable at the rate we're going.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Extreme weather and climate change may be in a “vicious cycle” - Salon.com

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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
    oh my god....take your med's man! LOL

    Believe me, there is far more stuff on Mars they are leading on to, and NASA scientists scour all the images they release to the general public.

    Although they do occasionally release some decent ones, (like the house) to us!
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
      Climate has always been changing, is changing now, and, no matter what we do, it will always be changing. It is not "Screwing" anything up. The things that are really screwed up are the people that think they are God and can change the course of nature. Just deal with it.

      I am 51 years old and when I was real young, it got cold in the winter and it snowed, then in Spring it got warm and things started to bloom, Summer brought sunshine and sometimes sweltering unbearable heat, then came my favorite time of year, Fall, cool and sunny. Guess what happened this year.....You guessed it.......The same thing.

      Like the song says "The more things change the more they stay the same"

      Personally I am for Global Warming, it will mean longer golf season. But since there is no such thing, then it is only a dream

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