You have to move out if you're not in school

11 years ago

Yep! People like stephen wozniak, steven jobs, paul allen and bill gates had it hard. People like those that were in school and now can't get work have it easy!

A parents cost go up if their children under the age of 25, or 27, aren't in school. So it isn't ALL arbitrary.

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11 years ago

Yes, but many people go to school and work full-time or start a business while at school. Parents (and I am one) have the right to determine whether or not you live at home as an adult. I never gave my son an option to live at home once he turned 18. He either had to move away to school or get his own place locally. I refused to raise a lazy, self indulgent adult.

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

The week I graduated high school, I moved out and never went back. There is a reason nests are small.

If the idea that being forced to move out into the cold world on your own, just because you're now an adult....scares you....

Welcome to the real world.

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jimbo13

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

If the idea that being forced to move out into the cold world on your own, just because you're now an adult....scares you....

Welcome to the real world.

Adult? I moved out at 7.

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by jimbo13

Adult? I moved out at 7.

Dan

OK, to be fair...being sold to a band of gypsies, and being raised by wolves, isn't really moving out.

(My God! If you really have some sad story...I am SOOO sorry)

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dedideals

11 years ago

Lucky for me when I hardly ever went school my parents were not that bad, but I know a few that have been kicked out for it and put on the streets.

It is kind of stupid!

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by dedideals

Lucky for me when I hardly ever went school my parents were not that bad, but I know a few that have been kicked out for it and put on the streets.

It is kind of stupid!

I wouldn't kick out my son for not going to school...I'd make damn sure he was going to school.

But after graduation? When you're an adult?

I told him when he was a kid, that he had to learn how to be self-sufficient. So he had a mail order business when he was 16, and went to college when he graduated. But he was on his own. Sure, there were times I wanted to let him move back in...but I wouldn't. Because I knew it wasn't going to help him.

Whether it's easy or hard....you aren't an adult (just an opinion) if you live with your parents. Not preparing your kid to survive on their own is cruel.

Of course, there are real exceptions. If you have a child that challenged or simply cannot learn the skills they need...that's different.

Being lazy isn't a disability.

I may feel a little differently if I had a daughter, I don't know.

Yeah, Like Sal said. You came to the wrong place if you want sympathy. Now, if you want to know how to start a small business...so you can be independent...this is the place (in the offline or main forums.)

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jimbo13

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

OK, to be fair...being sold to a band of gypsies, and being raised by wolves, isn't really moving out.

(My God! If you really have some sad story...I am SOOO sorry)

Don't worry, it was just going to Boarding School

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therealfactoid

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

The week I graduated high school, I moved out and never went back. There is a reason nests are small.

If the idea that being forced to move out into the cold world on your own, just because you're now an adult....scares you....

Welcome to the real world.

you got me all wrong... it doesn't scare me at all and from the time i can remember I was waiting to move out. I was that kid who was planning his move out at 15.

Personally my brother who's going to school costs my parents more and I enjoy living on my own, working a job and having the time and ability to invest in the things that interest me and turning them into a career.

Why is everyone on the internet so quick to call you a whiner when you share a perspective based on an experience.

My point was if dropouts were given more support and respect similar to the cheerleading most college students receive they might perform better. am I wrong that dropouts don't get treated with somewhat of a metaphorical left hand at the end of the day?

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by therealfactoid

you got me all wrong... it doesn't scare me at all and from the time i can remember I was waiting to move out. I was that kid who was planning his move out at 15.

Sorry, I can only go by what I read. My apologies if I misread.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by therealfactoid

you got me all wrong... it doesn't scare me at all and from the time i can remember I was waiting to move out. I was that kid who was planning his move out at 15.

Personally my brother who's going to school costs my parents more and I enjoy living on my own, working a job and having the time and ability to invest in the things that interest me and turning them into a career.

Why is everyone on the internet so quick to call you a whiner when you share a perspective based on an experience.

My point was if dropouts were given more support and respect similar to the cheerleading most college students receive they might perform better. am I wrong that dropouts don't get treated with somewhat of a metaphorical left hand at the end of the day?

NO YOU WEREN'T ready to move out at 15! HERE are some things it is illegal for a 15 year old to do:

1. rent an apartment.(can't sign the lease)
2. buy a house.(can't sign a mortgage or bill of sale)
3. In many areas, at least by policy, get a hotel room.(Heck, many won't even let a 24 year old reserve a room)
4. get a credit card(can't sign the contract)
5. buy a car
6. rent a car

Even having someone take you in as a border is not a good idea. What is to prevent you, or your parents, from claiming kidnapping or some such.

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Kay King

11 years ago

The OP has been given a vacation...so....

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Claude Whitacre 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

The OP has been given a vacation...so....

The young man deserves a vacation. He seems to be a bright guy that can ....Oh, I get it.
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  I was working. The only reason I stayed at home during all this was because my
  mother practically begged me to.
  
  My kid couldn't wait to leave home. She's been on her own for years now and
  just about getting by. But she'd rather eat dirt than move back home. And I
  don't blame her. Who wants to live with mommy and daddy when you're going
  on 25? I sure didn't. Only reason it took me to 27 to get married was because
  of the damn economy and I wasn't going to let my wife support me, which
  ironically is what she's doing now that my business is in the toilet. But I'm at
  it every single day trying to turn things around.
  
  Bottom line to this whole rant is this. If your parents want to throw you out of
  the house once you've reached a certain age and aren't in school anymore, I
  support them 100%.
  
  Because if you're depending on your parents to get you through life, one
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Big Rob

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

The OP has been given a vacation...so....

I read both his threads.

Saw nothing inflammatory or promotional in his posts other than his sig.

He was not combative, thanked the posters,responded intelligently.

Unless he violated TOS, or was an A-hole somewhere else in the forum,
I do not see how it warranted banishment.

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Big Rob

I read both his threads.

Saw nothing inflammatory or promotional in his posts other than his sig.

He was not combative, thanked the posters,responded intelligently.

Unless he violated TOS, or was an A-hole somewhere else in the forum,
I do not see how it warranted banishment.

Yeah, other than having a different point of view..I didn't see anything wrong. But it's not my sandbox. And the admins probably have a good reason, I just didn't see it.

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Kay King

11 years ago

His profile describes him as "a cool kid" - the link he dropped during his posting blitz was to videos saying much the same thing as he said in the threads.

From the videos I think "dropout" he referred to was high school dropout.

There was a reason and I'm sure it was a good one. Maybe temporary - don't know.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

His profile describes him as "a cool kid" - the link he dropped during his posting blitz was to videos saying much the same thing as he said in the threads.

From the videos I think "dropout" he referred to was high school dropout.

There was a reason and I'm sure it was a good one. Maybe temporary - don't know.

Temporary until he's 18 maybe?

OOPS - great minds think alike - didn't see your post, Steve.

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therealfactoid

11 years ago

I didn't say it was legal to move out at 15.. I was simply responding to the post about myself being scared to move out to be on my own.. this was not the case at least for me.

One question though, How are you able to give marketing tips or post threads about marketing when your signatures clearly are promoting your marketing services, websites and products. Isn't this self promotion also??????

I simply wanted to start a discussion to get some feedback and know what questions and objections to expect on my show, and got singled out for self promotion??... as if you all are not in essence doing the same thing..

the logic escapes me or maybe I'm missing something.

Oddly enough when I made posts about music promotion and my signature was promoting my music site, nothing happened... This always only happens when I bring up real issues that are somewhat controversial although I am not at all confrontational and simply conversational in my approach.

I used to like the warrior forum and never tried to abuse it in any way.. i dunno so much anymore.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by therealfactoid

I didn't say it was legal to move out at 15.. I was simply responding to the post about myself being scared to move out to be on my own.. this was not the case at least for me.

One question though, How are you able to give marketing tips or post threads about marketing when your signatures clearly are promoting your marketing services, websites and products. Isn't this self promotion also??????

I simply wanted to start a discussion to get some feedback and know what questions and objections to expect on my show, and got singled out for self promotion??... as if you all are not in essence doing the same thing..

the logic escapes me or maybe I'm missing something.

Oddly enough when I made posts about music promotion and my signature was promoting my music site, nothing happened... This always only happens when I bring up real issues that are somewhat controversial although I am not at all confrontational and simply conversational in my approach.

I used to like the warrior forum and never tried to abuse it in any way.. i dunno so much anymore.

Others don't generally create LOTS of related threads! They ALSO don't create a thread ONLY as link bait! They complain about OTHERS doing the same thing, so you aren't alone there. I have seen no less than a half dozen, and likely more, people get banned for that!

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mentoredlife

11 years ago

I remember being told all through High School that as soon as I graduated I either moved out or started paying rent. I moved out to go to college when I was 17 and never looked back.
I think encouraging that independence was a good thing, although I'm not sure it would work for everyone. Obviously, people raised to be dependent on their parents aren't going to fare well in the "real world" if they haven't learned the skills to be self sufficient long before they move out.

As a parent I think it's important that we teach our kids how to become self sufficient and learn how money works long before they leave school and need to implement those skills. Starting an online business while they're still students might just set them up to never "need" to work, and the ability to pursue their passions, which is what I'd love to see everyone doing.

Those are my thoughts.

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Jacqueline Smith

11 years ago

Well....you're all a great deal tougher than I am.

Personally, I think there are more than just two options in life....school or job. Learning responsibility doesn't require attendance at either one of those. Sure, they are options, but they aren't the only ones.

I'm a bit of a free spirit and, what some would consider, unconventional. I wasn't raised this way.....I discovered my path on my own and it was a struggle. As a parent, I didn't (and still don't) want my children to have to struggle so much to discover who they are and how they want to live their lives.

I have two absolutely amazing adult children...both are very responsible and self sufficient.

I am in no way being critical of decisions other parents make....I just wanted to point out that I don't think it has to be so black and white.

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Dan Riffle

11 years ago

Why shouldn't your parents give you the boot? You're an adult. You're out of school. They already gave you three squares and a cot for 18 years. What more do you expect? Or do you think you deserve more from your parents?

There are repercussions to our actions. Unfortunately, failing to get an education rarely has positive ones.

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therealfactoid 11 years ago

well... i find it especially hypocritical when parents act that way yet themselves don't have degrees... but more to your point, your attitude is quite common and it's like parents have been turned into an unofficial marketing team for universities.

Imagine the level of finesse it takes to make otherwise loving parents treat their children with contempt for not using one product out of many.

If a parent decided to kick their child out for not joining a mlm or affiliate network, people would not be as understanding, although mlm networks have made lots of people successful. you may now be inclined to bring up the people who don't succeed with mlm, but schools also have a high dropout rate not to mention graduates who never find jobs or those who find work that doesn't require that degree.

university is just one of many options out there for learning marketable skills and creating a living for yourself. why should someone be treated with contempt for nothing else than wanting to try the alternatives first. parents act as if schools will disapear. many individuals return to school later once they know what they want to do and complete multiple degrees later in life like both my parent who got their degrees in their 40s.

and I personally couldn't be kept at home even before the age of 18. I love being on my own..
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HeySal

11 years ago

This is your second thread about how terrible you are being treated for dropping out of school.

Got news for ya - parents are only obligated to take care of a child until they reach the age of adulthood. NOBODY has to let you live in their home -- and if you do live in someone else's house, you have to live by any rules they set. It's THEIR house. You don't have rights there.

It's starting to sound like you are looking for people to back you up for not wanting to do anything but live off of someone else, and I hate to school ya here - but nobody here is going to do that. If you can't handle the rules in the home you live in - go get your own house and make your own rules.

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Josh Monroe

11 years ago

I never understood why some parents have the whole "once you turn 21, your out" mentality.

My parents support me in whatever I choose to do, whether that be going to school OR dropping out.

Heck, if my Mom got her way, I'd still be at home now..

People should look at having kids like that dog quote they have at Christmas "A dog is for life, not just for Christmas" or something like that.

Now I'm not saying I condone being lazy and "living off others" but if the parents are fine with it, so be it.

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Dan Riffle

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Monroe

People should look at having kids like that dog quote they have at Christmas "A dog is for life, not just for Christmas" or something like that.

Now I'm not saying I condone being lazy and "living off others" but if the parents are fine with it, so be it.

The difference is you aren't rearing a dog to be a self-sufficient, productive future member of society.

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Monroe

I never understood why some parents have the whole "once you turn 21, your out" mentality.

My parents support me in whatever I choose to do, whether that be going to school OR dropping out.

I support my son in whatever he chooses to do, unless it's a mistake, and I know it is. Part of being a parent is preparing them for the future...not just saying "I agree with whatever you decide, because I have no wisdom to offer you"

Originally Posted by Josh Monroe

Heck, if my Mom got her way, I'd still be at home now..

That's because your Mom is a Mom. My wife (at the time) just wanted to give my son unconditional love...and make him dependent on her. I love him too. But part of loving your kid is preparing them. And age 35 isn't the time to start.
Sorry. I don't mean this personally. It's just an opinion.

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The difference is you aren't rearing a dog to be a self-sufficient, productive future member of society.

Darn you Riffle! You said it better than I could.

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socialentry

11 years ago

Yep. Best thing that happened to me because it forced me off my ass. Also now I can eat peanut butter directly from the jar.Yay!

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HeySal

11 years ago

See your other thread for my comment to that one. Society has values they share and if you don't, you're on the outside. Period. If your society values education and you don't have one, well, you're just SOS unless you can find a way to make yourself awesome without it. Otherwise you're just another dude on the street. It takes courage to go against social norms. It takes awesomeness to be able to garner respect for having done so.

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Originally Posted by HeySal

It takes courage to go against social norms. It takes awesomeness to be able to garner respect for having done so.

What a great statement!
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Banned 11 years ago

I just moved out on my own. looking foreward to starting my life

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waterotter

11 years ago

well... i find it especially hypocritical when parents act that way yet themselves don't have degrees...

Having worked in the Special Ed Dept for the Board Of Education, it's been my experience that parents want for their children what they didn't have growing up. Primarily, a good education

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marketingva

11 years ago

I think I saw why he was banned. Last night before I went to bed I noticed he posted several more threads on similar topics to this one all to promote his sig file. Now he's banned and those extra threads are history.

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Steven Wagenheim

11 years ago

If I recall correctly, this forum now has a minimum age requirement because of
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

If I recall correctly, this forum now has a minimum age requirement because of
something that happened a while ago. Most likely that is why he was banned.

Well, I don't think this website is COPPA compliant anyway. If true, that would mean they couldn't accept members less than 13. Still, technically, people should be 18 or older. Of course, the average person in the US graduates highschool by about 18.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by therealfactoid

Myself and a lot of my friends were told by our parents that if we decide not to go to school we had to move out.

I think this is why a lot of dropouts struggle financially, because while their counterparts in school are usually given loans, free room and board + food, us dropouts had to work on discovering out true passions and building businesses while having to worry about bills.

did any of you have a similar situation

If you dropped out of school and don't have a job or a business that makes enough money to support yourself, and you expect someone else to pick up the tab, you're probably going to be sorely disappointed. Some parents will let their children get away with that, but a lot won't.

Personally, all of my kids were raised to be self-reliant, as I was and I'm glad that I was. My children made their own way after school and have done well. My son did drop out, got a job, moved out and got his GED a bit later.

So, how long do you expect someone else to pick up your tab while you're off discovering passions? ?

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johnben1444

11 years ago

We all have different instinct and will react differently to different situations.

I will admit, the realization of having to fend for yourself can be scary, you have to pay your rents, buy your foods, clothes and virtually everything. There isn't a better time to start to know what the world really is but now.

To be a man isn't a days job. Come to look at it, what else do you expect from your parents when you don't intend furthering your education.

It only means you have decided to be a man right before your time.

If I were you, I will thank my parent for putting me on the path of life.

Okay, here is my frank advice.

Go back to school son and put up your best for the best grades. You will like me for this advice once the reality starts downing.

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