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Unread 12th September 2013, 12:36 PM   #1
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Default Why They Really Put Fluoride In Tap Water.

Because studies indicated that people exposed to water with high levels of naturally occurring fluoride suffered less problems with tooth decay than users of water without fluoride.

Fluoride often appears naturally in water. Ground/Well Water in mountainous regions can often have 50X the fluoride content of urban water systems that are artificially fluoridated.

The idea that it is placed in water to pacify and subjugate the masses is a satirical comment that originated in Dr. Strangelove.

The only real argument that can be made is that it is a practice initiated for common good that violates individual rights. In other words, it is providing medicine against your will.
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Embalming fluid might prevent tooth decay too, but that doesn't mean I want to drink it!

Fluoride is one of the most toxic substances on the planet. Why anyone ever thought it would be a good idea to add it to drinking water or put it in toothpaste is beyond me. The risks that you take by consuming it far outweigh the "supposed" benefits, IMO.

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I never really delved into the reasons why people talk about flouride in water being bad and stuff, mainly because I didn't really care. I just realised I still don't.
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Because studies indicated that people exposed to water with high levels of naturally occurring fluoride suffered less problems with tooth decay than users of water without fluoride.

Fluoride often appears naturally in water. Ground/Well Water in mountainous regions can often have 50X the fluoride content of urban water systems that are artificially fluoridated.

The idea that it is placed in water to pacify and subjugate the masses is a satirical comment that originated in Dr. Strangelove.

The only real argument that can be made is that it is a practice initiated for common good that violates individual rights. In other words, it is providing medicine against your will.

Chew on that conspiracy tards.
Chew on this one. The fluoride in the water is NOT natural (magnesium) fluoride. It is sodium fluoride and it is toxic at any and all levels. It is NOT natural - the by product of industry. It's industrial waste and if you look at the yearly water quality report you will find that it is listed as "fluride: source: industrial waste".

Studies show that there has never been any evidence that sodium fluoride does one thing whatsoever to protect teeth - actually it causes fluorosis, a condition that makes teeth mottled in color and pourous.......and other bones as well. Natural fluoride, will help a bit but not the crap they're dumping.

If you are really this misled about fluoride - here's a link that will straighten out the misconceptions you have from reading the disinformation propagated by industries that produce this crap and can't get permits to dump it anywhere else because it's too damned highly poisonous:

And don't tell me this is not a credible source when there are over 2000 doctors, dentists, and agencies supporting it - and that number is continually growing.

I'll skip the intro's and take you right to their research database:

Fluoride Action Network | Researchers

I'd tell ya "so chew on that one" but if you're drinking that crap in your water, you really need to be careful your teeth don't crumble.

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Because studies indicated that people exposed to water with high levels of naturally occurring fluoride suffered less problems with tooth decay than users of water without fluoride.

Fluoride often appears naturally in water. Ground/Well Water in mountainous regions can often have 50X the fluoride content of urban water systems that are artificially fluoridated.

The idea that it is placed in water to pacify and subjugate the masses is a satirical comment that originated in Dr. Strangelove.

The only real argument that can be made is that it is a practice initiated for common good that violates individual rights. In other words, it is providing medicine against your will.

Chew on that conspiracy tards.
You do understand that natural fluoride is different from the fluoride that is put in our drinking water, right?
About 90 percent of the fluoride added to public water supplies comes from silicofluorides, chemicals produced mainly as byproducts from the manufacture of phosphate fertilizers. This is the same fluoride that our EPA has determined is to toxic to be dumped in the ocean.
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You do understand that natural fluoride is different from the fluoride that is put in our drinking water, right?
About 90 percent of the fluoride added to public water supplies comes from silicofluorides, chemicals produced mainly as byproducts from the manufacture of phosphate fertilizers. This is the same fluoride that our EPA has determined is to toxic to be dumped in the ocean.
Chew on that fluoride tard.
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Fluoride in water: Source: Industrial waste: soduim/silica
Natural fluoride: Source: earth mineral, Mother's milk: magnesium/calcium
See any difference there anyone?

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Do you really think they just made that up for the movie? No, they were attempting to satirize an already existing "conspiracy theory." Now even mainstream health experts are gradually admitting that fluoride can be dangerous.

Check out what Livestrong.com, which is hardly an alarmist conspiracy site, says about fluoride:

Side Effects Of Fluoride | LIVESTRONG.COM

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Do you really think they just made that up for the movie? No, they were attempting to satirize an already existing "conspiracy theory." Now even mainstream health experts are gradually admitting that fluoride can be dangerous.

Check out what Livestrong.com, which is hardly an alarmist conspiracy site, says about fluoride:

Side Effects Of Fluoride | LIVESTRONG.COM
Used to write for the company that hires those writers. I don't consider them an authority site. I think you might want to check Fluoride Action Network | Broadening Public Awareness on Fluoride. It is, at the moment, the global authority on fluoride.

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Used to write for the company that hires those writers. I don't consider them an authority site. I think you might want to check Fluoride Action Network | Broadening Public Awareness on Fluoride. It is, at the moment, the global authority on fluoride.
I'm sure Livestrong.com is far from the most reliable site. I only used that link because it's a very popular and mainstream source of articles on health topics.

The site you linked to certainly contains better and more comprehensive information. Unfortunately, many people will say "that's an anti-fluoride site so they can't be trusted." The same with sites such as Natural News and Mercola.com which also have lots of good information about fluoride.

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I'm sure Livestrong.com is far from the most reliable site. I only used that link because it's a very popular and mainstream source of articles on health topics.

The site you linked to certainly contains better and more comprehensive information. Unfortunately, many people will say "that's an anti-fluoride site so they can't be trusted." The same with sites such as Natural News and Mercola.com which also have lots of good information about fluoride.
Well, with the line up of physicians and health organizations and agencies that are supporting it, and the credentials of the researchers - denial would make them....um........stupid.

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I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, and I know that some people
still think that is what this is, but in this case it really is just science and
corruption.

Fluoride is in the water because Alcoa has politicians in their pocket, which
is cheaper than finding a better way to get rid of their waste.

Also, it is not only Fluoride. But yeah, it has nothing to do with mind control
over the masses or any other such nonsense. It's just about cutting costs
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We ought to be clear about one thing: there is no such thing as "Fluoride" per se.
From the point of view of a chemist, Fluoride is only part of the name of many chemical compounds. The other elements in each compound make a significant difference to its chemical properties.
For example, common table salt comprises two elements (Sodium and Chlorine) that, in their separate, natural state, are highly toxic or corrosive. Combined in a stable compound, Sodium Chloride, we consume it daily with no ill effect (aside from the usual caveat to use all things in moderation).
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The myth of "they put Fluoride in the water so your teeth are healthy" is the most ludicrous theory of all.

sodium Fluoride DESTROYS teeth, not helps them. They are putting a highly toxic chemical, a POISON in the water. There is no conspiracy in that, it is fact.

This is why there are so many campaigns to get rid of it. It is absolutely INSANE to dose water with fluoride. It is actually evil.

Also, no one has right to choose to put a chemical in drinking water to protect teeth in the first place. It is absolutely insane.
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I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, and I know that some people
still think that is what this is, but in this case it really is just science and
corruption.

Fluoride is in the water because Alcoa has politicians in their pocket, which
is cheaper than finding a better way to get rid of their waste.

Also, it is not only Fluoride. But yeah, it has nothing to do with mind control
over the masses or any other such nonsense. It's just about cutting costs
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So why did the Nazis use it on the Jews in concentration camps????

Protect their teeth, or subdue them so they wouldn't put up a fight???


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I doubt that it was because they were producing fertilizer for the war effort and needed a way to get rid of it?

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I wish I had the self-control to start a controversial thread and then stay the hell away
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So why did the Nazis use it on the Jews in concentration camps????
I'd never heard that one before. As you didn't include a link, I decided to learn more.

The first site I came across was this one:

PolitiFact Florida | Truth about fluoride doesn't include Nazi myth.

It has been given a "Pants On Fire" rating.

The article doesn't debunk the flouride "conspiracy", however it does dispel the "Nazis did it" myth.

If the anti-flouride group(s) hope to convince the rest of us as to why flouridation should be banned, they've got to do better than making sh!t up.

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law, and no further reference to "a German political party in the 1930's" will be allowed in this discussion.

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We ought to be clear about one thing: there is no such thing as "Fluoride" per se.
From the point of view of a chemist, Fluoride is only part of the name of many chemical compounds. The other elements in each compound make a significant difference to its chemical properties.
For example, common table salt comprises two elements (Sodium and Chlorine) that, in their separate, natural state, are highly toxic or corrosive. Combined in a stable compound, Sodium Chloride, we consume it daily with no ill effect (aside from the usual caveat to use all things in moderation).
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Very intelligent post. 10 points.

But....you said "per se". So now I'm going to have to hunt you down and give you a sissy slap. The word "per se" is forbidden here. I don't make up the rules, I just enforce them. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and the next person that says the word "legit" is going to get a sissy slap too. I'm starting a fund to pay for all my plane tickets. It's going to be a busy year.

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I upgraded my home water filtration system to filter out as much as possible, I don't like the idea of drinking it. For starters it's not the governments job to decide how I should take care of my teeth, and even if it was, the benefit of the second or so a sip of water will pass by my teeth doesn't outweigh the effects of long term exposure ingesting toxic chemicals. When you go to the dentist and they have you rinse with fluoride, there is a REASON you spit it out instead of just swallowing it. It has no business being added to the drinking water.

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Bravo75,

BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!!!!!! You figured that out ALL yourself? I didn't know that until about 9/12 around FORTY YEARS AGO! I think MOST americans know that! HEYSAL knows that!

The PROBLEM? Sodium flouride IS a poison! There are WARNINGS on toothpaste! It says that children should use a pea size amount and that poison control should be called if swallowed!

Statement on FDA Toothpaste Warning Labels - American Dental Association - ADA.org

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Recent media coverage has focused attention on the safety of fluoride toothpastes, but the coverage has not revealed that the ADA limited the amount of fluoride allowed in ADA-Accepted toothpaste years ago for this reason.

In addition, back in 1991, the ADA began requiring that toothpaste manufacturers include the following language on all ADA-Accepted toothpastes: "Do not swallow. Use only a pea-sized amount for children under six. To prevent swallowing, children under six years of age should be supervised in the use of toothpaste." The new FDA labels are consistent with the ADA statements, with the exception of the poison control warning.

The ADA warning labels were required to help reduce the risk of mild fluorosis, which is a cosmetic defect noticeable as very light spots on permanent teeth and develops only while the teeth are still forming. Fluorosis only occurs when more than the optimal daily amount of fluoride is ingested.
The claim about reducing fluorosis is pretty stupid:

1. If it is SO mild, how did they notice that?
2. That happens from ONE swallow?
3. What could they do to stop it?
4. How come so many that DIDN'T go to the center haven't noticed it?
5. MOST cosmetic defects of that nature indicate a structural one.

ALSO, sodium flouride is a CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE! SURE, in small amounts, for some things, like toothpaste, it is freely available over the counter. They have another product that is HIGHLY diluted, but maybe about twice as strong as the weakest flouridated toothpaste. Want it? You have to go to your dentist to get a PRESCRIPTION.

And I checked, sodium flouride IS a waste product from *****ALUMINUM***** processing. THAT, in my book, is a GIANT red flag! BTW did YOU know that FLOURIDE helps aluminum cross the blood/brain barrier? ANOTHER red flag!

As for dentists having your best interest at heart? A DENTIST created cotton candy!

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Cotton candy was first recorded in Europe in the 18th century.[4] At that time, spun sugar was an expensive, labor-intensive endeavor and was not generally available to the average person.[4] Machine-spun cotton candy was invented in 1897 by the dentist William Morrison and confectioner John C. Wharton and first introduced to a wide audience at the 1904 World's Fair as "Fairy Floss"[5] with great success, selling 68,655 boxes at 25 per box (equivalent to $6 per box today). Joseph Lascaux, a dentist from New Orleans, Louisiana, invented a similar cotton candy machine in 1921. In fact, the Lascaux patent named the sweet confection “cotton candy” and the "fairy floss" name faded away, although it retains this name in Australia.[6][7] In the 1970s an automatic cotton candy machine was created which made the product and packaged it. This made it easier to produce and available to sell at carnivals, fairs, and stores in the 1970s and on.
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As for dentists having your best interest at heart? A DENTIST created cotton candy!



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Cotton candy was first recorded in Europe in the 18th century.[4] At that time, spun sugar was an expensive, labor-intensive endeavor and was not generally available to the average person.[4] Machine-spun cotton candy was invented in 1897 by the dentist William Morrison and confectioner John C. Wharton and first introduced to a wide audience at the 1904 World's Fair as "Fairy Floss"[5] with great success, selling 68,655 boxes at 25 per box (equivalent to $6 per box today). Joseph Lascaux, a dentist from New Orleans, Louisiana, invented a similar cotton candy machine in 1921. In fact, the Lascaux patent named the sweet confection cotton candy and the "fairy floss" name faded away, although it retains this name in Australia.[6][7] In the 1970s an automatic cotton candy machine was created which made the product and packaged it. This made it easier to produce and available to sell at carnivals, fairs, and stores in the 1970s and on.
LOL, Steve!

That made me laugh!

As I was reading through your well organized points of debate, I never expected it to end with that one.

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I'd never heard that one before. As you didn't include a link, I decided to learn more.

The first site I came across was this one:

PolitiFact Florida | Truth about fluoride doesn't include Nazi myth.

It has been given a "Pants On Fire" rating.

The article doesn't debunk the flouride "conspiracy", however it does dispel the "Nazis did it" myth.

If the anti-flouride group(s) hope to convince the rest of us as to why flouridation should be banned, they've got to do better than making sh!t up.

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law, and no further reference to "a German political party in the 1930's" will be allowed in this discussion.

Now, back to the facts, from both sides of the argument.
Darn it, l could have sworn, that it was genuine! I stand corrected. :rolleyes:

I doubt that even Claude could save me from this stuff-up! Sniff!!!!


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Bravo75,

BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!!!!!! You figured that out ALL yourself? I didn't know that until about 9/12 around FORTY YEARS AGO! I think MOST americans know that! HEYSAL knows that!

The PROBLEM? Sodium flouride IS a poison! There are WARNINGS on toothpaste! It says that children should use a pea size amount and that poison control should be called if swallowed!

Statement on FDA Toothpaste Warning Labels - American Dental Association - ADA.org



The claim about reducing fluorosis is pretty stupid:

1. If it is SO mild, how did they notice that?
2. That happens from ONE swallow?
3. What could they do to stop it?
4. How come so many that DIDN'T go to the center haven't noticed it?
5. MOST cosmetic defects of that nature indicate a structural one.

ALSO, sodium flouride is a CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE! SURE, in small amounts, for some things, like toothpaste, it is freely available over the counter. They have another product that is HIGHLY diluted, but maybe about twice as strong as the weakest flouridated toothpaste. Want it? You have to go to your dentist to get a PRESCRIPTION.

And I checked, sodium flouride IS a waste product from *****ALUMINUM***** processing. THAT, in my book, is a GIANT red flag! BTW did YOU know that FLOURIDE helps aluminum cross the blood/brain barrier? ANOTHER red flag!

As for dentists having your best interest at heart? A DENTIST created cotton candy!



Steve

Yeah, Alhimers patients have high concentrations of Aluminum in their brains, (l am sure of that one).

Yeah, l know that l didn't spell the disease correctly, but l figure most will know what it is! :rolleyes:


Save your teeth, (supposedly) and lose your mind, great idea!!!!

I personally won't touch it at restaurants, since if l try to drink a large glass of the stuff, l feel sick half way through.


I may have to shower in the s**** but l won't drink it!


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Darn it, l could have sworn, that it was genuine! I stand corrected. :rolleyes:

I doubt that even Claude could save me from this stuff-up! Sniff!!!!





Yeah, Alhimers patients have high concentrations of Aluminum in their brains, (l am sure of that one).

Yeah, l know that l didn't spell the disease correctly, but l figure most will know what it is! :rolleyes:


Save your teeth, (supposedly) and lose your mind, great idea!!!!

I personally won't touch it at restaurants, since if l try to drink a large glass of the stuff, l feel sick half way through.


I may have to shower in the s**** but l won't drink it!


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When I was a kid we had well water here and my father and I drank plenty of water. Then our well became contaminated from another house's leach field and we had to get "city" water. It made us both sick. Thankfully there are a few springs around here where I can get drinking water.
The biggest and oldest one always has a line of people at it. The vast majority are there because they refuse to drink water with chemicals in it (many claim it makes them sick). The biggest complaint is Fluoride.

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When I was a kid we had well water here and my father and I drank plenty of water. Then our well became contaminated from another house's leach field and we had to get "city" water. It made us both sick. Thankfully there are a few springs around here where I can get drinking water.
The biggest and oldest one always has a line of people at it. The vast majority are there because they refuse to drink water with chemicals in it (many claim it makes them sick). The biggest complaint is Fluoride.
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I have been telling my Mother for years it makes me sick, it is great to get conformation on that.

It also shows that this stuff is doing us more harm than good.


Which putting stupidity aside means, that there is something sinister going on with this stuff.


I was in a similar situation to you, lived on a farm most of my life with tank water, and because of a drought, etc, we had to get a line to mains water.


Eventhough it was being mixed with the roof water, it literally smelt like a swimming pool.

Yuck!!!


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The kicker is we have to pay for the water we can't drink:rolleyes:
We've had 3 days of rain here so I know the chlorine levels will be higher for the next few days, probably must of the other chemicals they add will be also.
Last year I posted something on FB about "city" water and the chemicals in it.
Somebody replied and the first line was "My brother-in-law runs a water treatment plant and I showed him your post." So I'm thinking 'here it comes'. Then he went on to say his brother-in-law said nobody at his plant will drink the water and they never recommend drinking it to anyone.

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Does anyone know where to get something that can REMOVE flouride from our drinking water? Something that can be used at home? I definitely don't want to consume flouride at all. Just don't know where to begin looking or what the equipment is called for homes.
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Does anyone know where to get something that can REMOVE flouride from our drinking water? Something that can be used at home? I definitely don't want to consume flouride at all. Just don't know where to begin looking or what the equipment is called for homes.
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Does anyone know where to get something that can REMOVE flouride from our drinking water? Something that can be used at home? I definitely don't want to consume flouride at all. Just don't know where to begin looking or what the equipment is called for homes.
Also found a list of bottled water without flouride:

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Of course, now you have all those empty plastic bottles to content with...
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Personally I prefer to drink water straight from a well when possible without any added chemicals.

Although it's not possible for me to strictly drink well water because I do have to have water when I'm in the city away from a well.

Flouride does NOT need to be in our drinking water source. Sure it prevents tooth decay. But what is IT decaying inside our bodies?

I'd rather have tooth decay than a bunch of other health problems that could come from ingesting those chemicals.

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Personally I prefer to drink water straight from a well when possible without any added chemicals.

Although it's not possible for me to strictly drink well water because I do have to have water when I'm in the city away from a well.

Flouride does NOT need to be in our drinking water source. Sure it prevents tooth decay. But what is IT decaying inside our bodies?

I'd rather have tooth decay than a bunch of other health problems that could come from ingesting those chemicals.

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I'd rather have some minor side effects from fluoride than copper and led poisoning and my teeth falling out of my head.

This nonsense about tptb using fluoride to dumb down the population belongs in a Hollywood blockbuster, not in a serious discussion.
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When you get water filters for fluoride - get a whole house filter if possible. It's not safe to bathe in either. The molecules are small enough to be absorbed into the skin - and then it doesn't go through the detoxifying organs that it usually does so is actually MORE harmful than when ingested.

Be careful of it on your produce, too. You can't wash it off with just water - use salt water.

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When you get water filters for fluoride - get a whole house filter if possible. It's not safe to bathe in either. The molecules are small enough to be absorbed into the skin - and then it doesn't go through the detoxifying organs that it usually does so is actually MORE harmful than when ingested.

Be careful of it on your produce, too. You can't wash it off with just water - use salt water.
If it was that harmful, then the average life expectancy of people should be on the decline. This is not the case, quite the opposite.
Fluoride may not be the healthiest thing in the world, but it's not the worst either.

It's not like they're putting anthrax into the water system.
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In this report, the NRC considered research issues related to the medical geology field on connections between earth science and public health, addressing both positive and negative societal impacts.

This report identified fluoride as a mineral that can positively influence human health, and although earlier NRC reports were not conclusive in their opinions, this report concluded that fluoride was considered to be an element essential for human life based on its role in cellular functions involving metabolic or biochemical processes.

The report further stated that fluoride in drinking water has two beneficial effects: preventing tooth decay (dental caries) and contributing to bone mineralization and bone matrix integrity.


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In this report, the NRC considered research issues related to the medical geology field on connections between earth science and public health, addressing both positive and negative societal impacts.

This report identified fluoride as a mineral that can positively influence human health, and although earlier NRC reports were not conclusive in their opinions, this report concluded that fluoride was considered to be an element essential for human life based on its role in cellular functions involving metabolic or biochemical processes.

The report further stated that fluoride in drinking water has two beneficial effects: preventing tooth decay (dental caries) and contributing to bone mineralization and bone matrix integrity.


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In 1993, the NRC concluded that the EPA maximum contaminant level of 4 mg/L in drinking water was an appropriate standard and was safe for ingestion at levels considered optimal for oral health.
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In 2006, the NRC stated in this report that in developing regulatory standards for high levels of fluoride in drinking water, three adverse health effects warranted consideration: severe enamel (dental) fluorosis from exposure to these high levels between birth and 8 years of age, risk of bone fractures, and severe forms of skeletal fluorosis (a rare condition in the United States) after lifetime exposure.
Your second link talks more about natural or "earth materials" which the fluoride in our drinking water is neither. But it does say this.
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. In some instances, the association between earth materials and disease is clearcertain fibrous (asbestos) minerals and mesothelioma, radon gas and lung cancer, dissolved arsenic and a range of cancers, earthquakes and physical trauma, fluoride and dental health

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By that rationale, we shouldn't consume anything. Carrots can cause cancer, potatos contain large amounts of the toxic alkaloid solanine, saccharin, orange juice can cause high blood pressure... the list goes on and on.

Fluoride is just part of a very long list of things that can be "dangerous" to our health.

Crap, I better start living on a diet of bread and water... oh, wait, bread is high in carbs and can spike blood sugar levels, bottled water is less regulated than tap water.
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By that rationale, we shouldn't consume anything. Carrots can cause cancer, potatos contain large amounts of the toxic alkaloid solanine, saccharin, orange juice can cause high blood pressure... the list goes on and on.

Fluoride is just part of a very long list of things that can be "dangerous" to our health.

Crap, I better start living on a diet of bread and water... oh, wait, bread is high in carbs and can spike blood sugar levels, bottled water is less regulated than tap water.
No one puts carrots in your grocery cart and forces you buy them.
Of course I do realize that your examples are just bull, to try to justify fluoride in drinking water You have a choice as to weather you want to ingest those foods you mention. On the other hand fluoride isn't a food and it is put into tap water where you don't have a choice if tap water is your only water source.
When you can have the option of using fluoride in toothpaste and some gums, why is it needed in your tap water? I have dentures so there is only the risks of fluoride that can effect me.
Fluoride in drinking water is basically forced medication.Millions of people have no other option then to drink tap water, if they drink water or tea or coffee, etc.
If you think having fluoride in your water is fine, then drink it. Nobody is forcing you to go out of your way to find a source of drinking water with fluoride in it. It's right there waiting for you.

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I guess my next question is why do you have a problem with people not wanting fluoride in their drinking water?
Is this one of those deals where you think it's good for you so therefore everyone should have it weather they want it or not?

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I guess my next question is why do you have a problem with people not wanting fluoride in their drinking water?
Is this one of those deals where you think it's good for you so therefore everyone should have it weather they want it or not?
I couldn't really care less. I don't live in the States, and I eat so much shit that it wouldn't make a difference if there was fluoride in the water I consume or not.

I just get tired of the fringe community rambling on how "they" put stuff in our water to dumb down the masses and turn us into zombies that are easily controllable and other such nonsense.

This thread is a dig at conspiracy nuts.
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I'd rather have some minor side effects from fluoride than copper and led poisoning and my teeth falling out of my head.

This nonsense about tptb using fluoride to dumb down the population belongs in a Hollywood blockbuster, not in a serious discussion.
They ARE trying to dumb down the population in the US. THAT IS FACT! Just look at the educational system. And the kids actually think they are SMARTER! "OH I GOT HIGHER GRADES"(YEP, on a curve and less info) "OH I CAN PROGRAM A COMPUTER GAME"(NOPE, parameters in a game application) "OH, I CAN USE A COMPUTER"(More like write in a word processor) and they haven't even seen what is coming down the pike! You will get a 50% just for TRYING, even if you get NO answer right.

And it is part of a UN plan SO, if it hasn't hit britain YET, IT WILL! I have seen several similar things being attempted in many places in europe, INCLUDING britain!

So DON'T think that that premise is fake, it is REAL! The ONLY question is if they are helping it along with flouride. I have shown how SCIENCE has stated that flouride CAN do the bad things people claim. The question is, is it INTENTIONAL. Frankly, I DON'T CARE! I DON'T want such things in water and food.

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If it was that harmful, then the average life expectancy of people should be on the decline. This is not the case, quite the opposite.
Fluoride may not be the healthiest thing in the world, but it's not the worst either.

It's not like they're putting anthrax into the water system.
HEY, the brain uses like 20% of resources! So if you had half your brain cut out, your energy level could increase 10%! You would require less food and air! WOW, I guess they should give people hemispherectomies, or whatever they are called!

And I guess they SHOULD put lead in the water. HECK, let's try ARSENIC TOO!

What is your point?

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In this report, the NRC considered research issues related to the medical geology field on connections between earth science and public health, addressing both positive and negative societal impacts.

This report identified fluoride as a mineral that can positively influence human health, and although earlier NRC reports were not conclusive in their opinions, this report concluded that fluoride was considered to be an element essential for human life based on its role in cellular functions involving metabolic or biochemical processes.

The report further stated that fluoride in drinking water has two beneficial effects: preventing tooth decay (dental caries) and contributing to bone mineralization and bone matrix integrity.


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So THAT is why nobody has arthritis or osteoporosis? WOW! I'll have to go back to my doctors, and my mother's doctors, and friends doctors, and tell them they're WRONG!

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Here's some more reading material on this subject:
"Why EPA Headquarters Union of Scientists Opposes Fluoridation"
"Why I Changed My Mind About Water Fluoridation," by Dr. John Colquhoun

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So THAT is why nobody has arthritis or osteoporosis? WOW! I'll have to go back to my doctors, and my mother's doctors, and friends doctors, and tell them they're WRONG!

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Natural fluoride (the stuff that is in mother's milk at .04 ppm) in trace quantities is good for ya - but if you get too much, even the natural fluoride can be toxic. The crap they dump in our water isn't good at ANY concentration.

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Thankfully beer is still safe, at least according to my own version of reality.

And you can make your own.

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Natural fluoride (the stuff that is in mother's milk at .04 ppm) in trace quantities is good for ya - but if you get too much, even the natural fluoride can be toxic. The crap they dump in our water isn't good at ANY concentration.
If I wasn't clear, I was being cynical. I took something that would be reality if the studies were correct, and then said that everyone's experiences and doctors show it is NOT correct. So therefore, the assertion in the studies is wrong.

And YEAH, there are problems. Steel in tools is often hardened. Hardening is good. It makes things last longer, etc... If you harden it TOO much though, it could SHATTER if hit too hard. Obviously, that is bad.

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