Why They Really Put Fluoride In Tap Water.

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Because studies indicated that people exposed to water with high levels of naturally occurring fluoride suffered less problems with tooth decay than users of water without fluoride.

Fluoride often appears naturally in water. Ground/Well Water in mountainous regions can often have 50X the fluoride content of urban water systems that are artificially fluoridated.

The idea that it is placed in water to pacify and subjugate the masses is a satirical comment that originated in Dr. Strangelove.

The only real argument that can be made is that it is a practice initiated for common good that violates individual rights. In other words, it is providing medicine against your will.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
    Embalming fluid might prevent tooth decay too, but that doesn't mean I want to drink it!

    Fluoride is one of the most toxic substances on the planet. Why anyone ever thought it would be a good idea to add it to drinking water or put it in toothpaste is beyond me. The risks that you take by consuming it far outweigh the "supposed" benefits, IMO.

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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    I never really delved into the reasons why people talk about flouride in water being bad and stuff, mainly because I didn't really care. I just realised I still don't.
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

    Because studies indicated that people exposed to water with high levels of naturally occurring fluoride suffered less problems with tooth decay than users of water without fluoride.

    Fluoride often appears naturally in water. Ground/Well Water in mountainous regions can often have 50X the fluoride content of urban water systems that are artificially fluoridated.

    The idea that it is placed in water to pacify and subjugate the masses is a satirical comment that originated in Dr. Strangelove.

    The only real argument that can be made is that it is a practice initiated for common good that violates individual rights. In other words, it is providing medicine against your will.

    Chew on that conspiracy tards.
    Chew on this one. The fluoride in the water is NOT natural (magnesium) fluoride. It is sodium fluoride and it is toxic at any and all levels. It is NOT natural - the by product of industry. It's industrial waste and if you look at the yearly water quality report you will find that it is listed as "fluride: source: industrial waste".

    Studies show that there has never been any evidence that sodium fluoride does one thing whatsoever to protect teeth - actually it causes fluorosis, a condition that makes teeth mottled in color and pourous.......and other bones as well. Natural fluoride, will help a bit but not the crap they're dumping.

    If you are really this misled about fluoride - here's a link that will straighten out the misconceptions you have from reading the disinformation propagated by industries that produce this crap and can't get permits to dump it anywhere else because it's too damned highly poisonous:

    And don't tell me this is not a credible source when there are over 2000 doctors, dentists, and agencies supporting it - and that number is continually growing.

    I'll skip the intro's and take you right to their research database:

    Fluoride Action Network | Researchers

    I'd tell ya "so chew on that one" but if you're drinking that crap in your water, you really need to be careful your teeth don't crumble.
  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
    Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

    Because studies indicated that people exposed to water with high levels of naturally occurring fluoride suffered less problems with tooth decay than users of water without fluoride.

    Fluoride often appears naturally in water. Ground/Well Water in mountainous regions can often have 50X the fluoride content of urban water systems that are artificially fluoridated.

    The idea that it is placed in water to pacify and subjugate the masses is a satirical comment that originated in Dr. Strangelove.

    The only real argument that can be made is that it is a practice initiated for common good that violates individual rights. In other words, it is providing medicine against your will.

    Chew on that conspiracy tards.
    You do understand that natural fluoride is different from the fluoride that is put in our drinking water, right?
    About 90 percent of the fluoride added to public water supplies comes from silicofluorides, chemicals produced mainly as byproducts from the manufacture of phosphate fertilizers. This is the same fluoride that our EPA has determined is to toxic to be dumped in the ocean.
    Chew on that fluoride tard.
    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

      You do understand that natural fluoride is different from the fluoride that is put in our drinking water, right?
      About 90 percent of the fluoride added to public water supplies comes from silicofluorides, chemicals produced mainly as byproducts from the manufacture of phosphate fertilizers. This is the same fluoride that our EPA has determined is to toxic to be dumped in the ocean.
      Chew on that fluoride tard.
      You're nicer than I am.

      Fluoride in water: Source: Industrial waste: soduim/silica
      Natural fluoride: Source: earth mineral, Mother's milk: magnesium/calcium
      See any difference there anyone?
  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    Do you really think they just made that up for the movie? No, they were attempting to satirize an already existing "conspiracy theory." Now even mainstream health experts are gradually admitting that fluoride can be dangerous.

    Check out what Livestrong.com, which is hardly an alarmist conspiracy site, says about fluoride:

    Side Effects Of Fluoride | LIVESTRONG.COM
  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, and I know that some people
    still think that is what this is, but in this case it really is just science and
    corruption.

    Fluoride is in the water because Alcoa has politicians in their pocket, which
    is cheaper than finding a better way to get rid of their waste.

    Also, it is not only Fluoride. But yeah, it has nothing to do with mind control
    over the masses or any other such nonsense. It's just about cutting costs
    and increasing profits.
    • Profile picture of the author DJL
      We ought to be clear about one thing: there is no such thing as "Fluoride" per se.
      From the point of view of a chemist, Fluoride is only part of the name of many chemical compounds. The other elements in each compound make a significant difference to its chemical properties.
      For example, common table salt comprises two elements (Sodium and Chlorine) that, in their separate, natural state, are highly toxic or corrosive. Combined in a stable compound, Sodium Chloride, we consume it daily with no ill effect (aside from the usual caveat to use all things in moderation).
      Remember: ignorance can be cured; stupidity is usually a permanent condition.
  • Profile picture of the author SandraLarkin
    The myth of "they put Fluoride in the water so your teeth are healthy" is the most ludicrous theory of all.

    sodium Fluoride DESTROYS teeth, not helps them. They are putting a highly toxic chemical, a POISON in the water. There is no conspiracy in that, it is fact.

    This is why there are so many campaigns to get rid of it. It is absolutely INSANE to dose water with fluoride. It is actually evil.

    Also, no one has right to choose to put a chemical in drinking water to protect teeth in the first place. It is absolutely insane.
    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

      I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, and I know that some people
      still think that is what this is, but in this case it really is just science and
      corruption.

      Fluoride is in the water because Alcoa has politicians in their pocket, which
      is cheaper than finding a better way to get rid of their waste.

      Also, it is not only Fluoride. But yeah, it has nothing to do with mind control
      over the masses or any other such nonsense. It's just about cutting costs
      and increasing profits
      .
      So why did the Nazis use it on the Jews in concentration camps????

      Protect their teeth, or subdue them so they wouldn't put up a fight???


      Shane


      I doubt that it was because they were producing fertilizer for the war effort and needed a way to get rid of it?
  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    I wish I had the self-control to start a controversial thread and then stay the hell away
  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    I upgraded my home water filtration system to filter out as much as possible, I don't like the idea of drinking it. For starters it's not the governments job to decide how I should take care of my teeth, and even if it was, the benefit of the second or so a sip of water will pass by my teeth doesn't outweigh the effects of long term exposure ingesting toxic chemicals. When you go to the dentist and they have you rinse with fluoride, there is a REASON you spit it out instead of just swallowing it. It has no business being added to the drinking water.
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Bravo75,

    BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!!!!!! You figured that out ALL yourself? I didn't know that until about 9/12 around FORTY YEARS AGO! I think MOST americans know that! HEYSAL knows that!

    The PROBLEM? Sodium flouride IS a poison! There are WARNINGS on toothpaste! It says that children should use a pea size amount and that poison control should be called if swallowed!

    Statement on FDA Toothpaste Warning Labels - American Dental Association - ADA.org

    Recent media coverage has focused attention on the safety of fluoride toothpastes, but the coverage has not revealed that the ADA limited the amount of fluoride allowed in ADA-Accepted toothpaste years ago for this reason.

    In addition, back in 1991, the ADA began requiring that toothpaste manufacturers include the following language on all ADA-Accepted toothpastes: "Do not swallow. Use only a pea-sized amount for children under six. To prevent swallowing, children under six years of age should be supervised in the use of toothpaste." The new FDA labels are consistent with the ADA statements, with the exception of the poison control warning.

    The ADA warning labels were required to help reduce the risk of mild fluorosis, which is a cosmetic defect noticeable as very light spots on permanent teeth and develops only while the teeth are still forming. Fluorosis only occurs when more than the optimal daily amount of fluoride is ingested.
    The claim about reducing fluorosis is pretty stupid:

    1. If it is SO mild, how did they notice that?
    2. That happens from ONE swallow?
    3. What could they do to stop it?
    4. How come so many that DIDN'T go to the center haven't noticed it?
    5. MOST cosmetic defects of that nature indicate a structural one.

    ALSO, sodium flouride is a CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE! SURE, in small amounts, for some things, like toothpaste, it is freely available over the counter. They have another product that is HIGHLY diluted, but maybe about twice as strong as the weakest flouridated toothpaste. Want it? You have to go to your dentist to get a PRESCRIPTION.

    And I checked, sodium flouride IS a waste product from *****ALUMINUM***** processing. THAT, in my book, is a GIANT red flag! BTW did YOU know that FLOURIDE helps aluminum cross the blood/brain barrier? ANOTHER red flag!

    As for dentists having your best interest at heart? A DENTIST created cotton candy!

    Cotton candy was first recorded in Europe in the 18th century.[4] At that time, spun sugar was an expensive, labor-intensive endeavor and was not generally available to the average person.[4] Machine-spun cotton candy was invented in 1897 by the dentist William Morrison and confectioner John C. Wharton and first introduced to a wide audience at the 1904 World's Fair as "Fairy Floss"[5] with great success, selling 68,655 boxes at 25˘ per box (equivalent to $6 per box today). Joseph Lascaux, a dentist from New Orleans, Louisiana, invented a similar cotton candy machine in 1921. In fact, the Lascaux patent named the sweet confection “cotton candy” and the "fairy floss" name faded away, although it retains this name in Australia.[6][7] In the 1970s an automatic cotton candy machine was created which made the product and packaged it. This made it easier to produce and available to sell at carnivals, fairs, and stores in the 1970s and on.
    Steve
    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post


      As for dentists having your best interest at heart? A DENTIST created cotton candy!



      Steve
      Cotton candy was first recorded in Europe in the 18th century.[4] At that time, spun sugar was an expensive, labor-intensive endeavor and was not generally available to the average person.[4] Machine-spun cotton candy was invented in 1897 by the dentist William Morrison and confectioner John C. Wharton and first introduced to a wide audience at the 1904 World's Fair as "Fairy Floss"[5] with great success, selling 68,655 boxes at 25˘ per box (equivalent to $6 per box today). Joseph Lascaux, a dentist from New Orleans, Louisiana, invented a similar cotton candy machine in 1921. In fact, the Lascaux patent named the sweet confection “cotton candy” and the "fairy floss" name faded away, although it retains this name in Australia.[6][7] In the 1970s an automatic cotton candy machine was created which made the product and packaged it. This made it easier to produce and available to sell at carnivals, fairs, and stores in the 1970s and on.
      LOL, Steve!

      That made me laugh!

      As I was reading through your well organized points of debate, I never expected it to end with that one.

      Terra
  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Cotton candy sweet as gold let me see that tootsie roll
  • Profile picture of the author beniprofex
    Does anyone know where to get something that can REMOVE flouride from our drinking water? Something that can be used at home? I definitely don't want to consume flouride at all. Just don't know where to begin looking or what the equipment is called for homes.
    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by beniprofex View Post

      Does anyone know where to get something that can REMOVE flouride from our drinking water? Something that can be used at home? I definitely don't want to consume flouride at all. Just don't know where to begin looking or what the equipment is called for homes.
      How to Remove Fluoride from Drinking Water
    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by beniprofex View Post

      Does anyone know where to get something that can REMOVE flouride from our drinking water? Something that can be used at home? I definitely don't want to consume flouride at all. Just don't know where to begin looking or what the equipment is called for homes.
      Also found a list of bottled water without flouride:

      List of Bottled Water Without Fluoride

      Of course, now you have all those empty plastic bottles to content with...
  • Profile picture of the author whland
    Personally I prefer to drink water straight from a well when possible without any added chemicals.

    Although it's not possible for me to strictly drink well water because I do have to have water when I'm in the city away from a well.

    Flouride does NOT need to be in our drinking water source. Sure it prevents tooth decay. But what is IT decaying inside our bodies?

    I'd rather have tooth decay than a bunch of other health problems that could come from ingesting those chemicals.

    Chad
    • Profile picture of the author bravo75
      Originally Posted by whland View Post

      Personally I prefer to drink water straight from a well when possible without any added chemicals.

      Although it's not possible for me to strictly drink well water because I do have to have water when I'm in the city away from a well.

      Flouride does NOT need to be in our drinking water source. Sure it prevents tooth decay. But what is IT decaying inside our bodies?

      I'd rather have tooth decay than a bunch of other health problems that could come from ingesting those chemicals.

      Chad
      I'd rather have some minor side effects from fluoride than copper and led poisoning and my teeth falling out of my head.

      This nonsense about tptb using fluoride to dumb down the population belongs in a Hollywood blockbuster, not in a serious discussion.
    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      When you get water filters for fluoride - get a whole house filter if possible. It's not safe to bathe in either. The molecules are small enough to be absorbed into the skin - and then it doesn't go through the detoxifying organs that it usually does so is actually MORE harmful than when ingested.

      Be careful of it on your produce, too. You can't wash it off with just water - use salt water.
  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    In this report, the NRC considered research issues related to the medical geology field on connections between earth science and public health, addressing both positive and negative societal impacts.

    This report identified fluoride as a mineral that can positively influence human health, and although earlier NRC reports were not conclusive in their opinions, this report concluded that fluoride was considered to be an element essential for human life based on its role in cellular functions involving metabolic or biochemical processes.

    The report further stated that fluoride in drinking water has two beneficial effects: preventing tooth decay (dental caries) and contributing to bone mineralization and bone matrix integrity.


    http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/nas.htm

    Earth Materials and Health: Research Priorities for Earth Science and Public Health
    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      In this report, the NRC considered research issues related to the medical geology field on connections between earth science and public health, addressing both positive and negative societal impacts.

      This report identified fluoride as a mineral that can positively influence human health, and although earlier NRC reports were not conclusive in their opinions, this report concluded that fluoride was considered to be an element essential for human life based on its role in cellular functions involving metabolic or biochemical processes.

      The report further stated that fluoride in drinking water has two beneficial effects: preventing tooth decay (dental caries) and contributing to bone mineralization and bone matrix integrity.


      http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/nas.htm

      Earth Materials and Health: Research Priorities for Earth Science and Public Health
      From your first link.
      In 1993, the NRC concluded that the EPA maximum contaminant level of 4 mg/L in drinking water was an appropriate standard and was safe for ingestion at levels considered optimal for oral health.
      Also form the first link.
      In 2006, the NRC stated in this report that in developing regulatory standards for high levels of fluoride in drinking water, three adverse health effects warranted consideration: severe enamel (dental) fluorosis from exposure to these high levels between birth and 8 years of age, risk of bone fractures, and severe forms of skeletal fluorosis (a rare condition in the United States) after lifetime exposure.
      Your second link talks more about natural or "earth materials" which the fluoride in our drinking water is neither. But it does say this.
      . In some instances, the association between earth materials and disease is clear—certain fibrous (asbestos) minerals and mesothelioma, radon gas and lung cancer, dissolved arsenic and a range of cancers, earthquakes and physical trauma, fluoride and dental health
    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      In this report, the NRC considered research issues related to the medical geology field on connections between earth science and public health, addressing both positive and negative societal impacts.

      This report identified fluoride as a mineral that can positively influence human health, and although earlier NRC reports were not conclusive in their opinions, this report concluded that fluoride was considered to be an element essential for human life based on its role in cellular functions involving metabolic or biochemical processes.

      The report further stated that fluoride in drinking water has two beneficial effects: preventing tooth decay (dental caries) and contributing to bone mineralization and bone matrix integrity.


      http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/nas.htm

      Earth Materials and Health: Research Priorities for Earth Science and Public Health
      So THAT is why nobody has arthritis or osteoporosis? WOW! I'll have to go back to my doctors, and my mother's doctors, and friends doctors, and tell them they're WRONG!

      Steve
  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Thankfully beer is still safe, at least according to my own version of reality.

    And you can make your own.

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