For the ladies in the lounge: your thoughts on a skin product

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t's been on the back of my mind for a while to launch a skin product which reverses ageing.

Today it struck me what to name it.

I've been using it and here are the results...

I'm 57 years old, worked on farms for 17 years, hand mowed lawns for 11 years and my hands are now softer than women's hands who are 20 plus years younger than me who have never worked outdoors. Callouses on hands and feet have gone. Cracked skin on feet have gone.

Women comment on my soft hands when shaken on a first meeting.

It's a powder that can be mixed with any hot or cold liquid.

Has no taste.

Is this something you would be interested in buying,
or not?

Would love your thoughts.

Thanks in advance.

Ewen
  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Yes and No.

    The results you describe are what we all want and Lord knows I have tried quite a few products - some work to some degree, most do not. We don't stop trying - however the turn off here to me is the mixing the powder - inconvenient, messy and probably icky.


    I would tell people exactly what is in it and emphasize 'natural' if it is - even though that obviously doesn't guarantee we won't have a negative reaction.

    If you have something that actually removes callouses and keeps them from coming right back, you deserve the medal of honor. The key here is are you reducing the APPEARANCE of whatever condition or are you actually able to correct the condition.

    Correct it - I would be willing to deal with the icky powdery liquid - mask the condition I think you would have to do it too often(?) to continue to see the benefit.

    In any case good luck with it!
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Yes and No.

      The results you describe are what we all want and Lord knows I have tried quite a few products - some work to some degree, most do not. We don't stop trying - however the turn off here to me is the mixing the powder - inconvenient, messy and probably icky.


      I would tell people exactly what is in it and emphasize 'natural' if it is - even though that obviously doesn't guarantee we won't have a negative reaction.

      If you have something that actually removes callouses and keeps them from coming right back, you deserve the medal of honor. The key here is are you reducing the APPEARANCE of whatever condition or are you actually able to correct the condition.

      Correct it - I would be willing to deal with the icky powdery liquid - mask the condition I think you would have to do it too often(?) to continue to see the benefit.

      In any case good luck with it!
      Thanks Patricia.

      I believe it's like regrowing your tissues,
      such as skin, ligaments, hair and nails.

      So it's the foundation of new skin growth.

      Not a mask over the old.

      It's a special type of silica mined from the earth in the USA.

      No additives or preservatives used that are commonly needed
      to stabilize plant based ingredients.

      I'm no scientist or deep researcher on this though.

      Just a 57 year old male manual laborer of 28 years who has
      skin softer than women 20 years younger who have never worked a day outdoors!

      Go figure!

      Best,
      Ewen
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        Thanks Patricia.

        I believe it's like regrowing your tissues,
        such as skin, ligaments, hair and nails.

        So it's the foundation of new skin growth.

        Not a mask over the old.

        It's a special type of silica mined from the earth in the USA.

        No additives or preservatives used that are commonly needed
        to stabilize plant based ingredients.

        I'm no scientist or deep researcher on this though.

        Just a 57 year old male manual laborer of 28 years who has
        skin softer than women 20 years younger who have never worked a day outdoors!

        Go figure!

        Best,
        Ewen
        Silica approved for "consumption" as in internal? Wow.

        I have all naturals in my product, too - except for one that is approved for consumption and widely used but falls in a category that has controls. The problem with mine is I make it hella strong and it can cause irritation if the skin is extremely sensitive. I've had a few friends I had to cut the strength for, but most of us like it at full strength. Will take 10 years off immediately.

        Right now its status is awesome way to get xmas presents out to family/friends that I can be sure they will actually love, use, and be delighted with. I just made a batch for my sister and niece who came up to camp with me this weekend. I had just added one new element to it and got calls back from both of them two days later raving thank-yous.
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        • Profile picture of the author SShip
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Silica approved for "consumption" as in internal? Wow.

          I have all naturals in my product, too - except for one that is approved for consumption and widely used but falls in a category that has controls. The problem with mine is I make it hella strong and it can cause irritation if the skin is extremely sensitive. I've had a few friends I had to cut the strength for, but most of us like it at full strength. Will take 10 years off immediately.

          Right now its status is awesome way to get xmas presents out to family/friends that I can be sure they will actually love, use, and be delighted with. I just made a batch for my sister and niece who came up to camp with me this weekend. I had just added one new element to it and got calls back from both of them two days later raving thank-yous.
          Ok Sal, how do I get me some of this? Since I turned 40, it's been a year of hell for me in more ways than I could have imagined. Looking 10-years younger immediately would be amazing.

          @ ewenmack, have you tried this on your face or just your hands?
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          • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
            Originally Posted by SShip View Post


            @ ewenmack, have you tried this on your face or just your hands?
            No it's only taken in internally so it's as if it regrows your skin,
            not something you plop on it to mask it.

            Best,
            Ewen
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by SShip View Post

            Ok Sal, how do I get me some of this? Since I turned 40, it's been a year of hell for me in more ways than I could have imagined. Looking 10-years younger immediately would be amazing.

            @ ewenmack, have you tried this on your face or just your hands?

            It's on kindle. I just added a new ingredient so if you buy the book - send me the confirmation number and I'll send you info on the new ingredient for the facial, too. I can sell the info about how to make it - with heavily laced disclaimers - that's hella different than actually selling the product in one piece. Your choice whether to skip an ingredient that way, if you know you have an allergy to it. I have no responsibility for people using something they are allergic to. It's all stuff (or grown) openly and in most households, so it's deemed generally safe for use. If it's not - you shouldn't be smearing it on your face anyhow...duh. LOL.

            Ewen - I had a hella salesletter on the first version of that book which included hair care, too. If I can find it, I'll show it to ya, It's probably the best sales letter I've written. It might give ya some ideas for your own sales. I know you'd at least get a kick out of it. It was cocky. LMAO.
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            • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post


              Ewen - I had a hella salesletter on the first version of that book which included hair care, too. If I can find it, I'll show it to ya, It's probably the best sales letter I've written. It might give ya some ideas for your own sales. I know you'd at least get a kick out of it. It was cocky. LMAO.
              Hey if you've got the goods, FLAUNT it I say!

              Yeah would love to see your work
              on pulling on all those heart strings!

              Best,
              Ewen
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I wouldn't. I make my own facial (that can be used anywhere on the body), and every person who has used it tells me I should market it - it's hella awesome.

    Now - a LOT of people might like your product, too. What you have to think of is permits, lawsuits (if someone has an allergic reaction or such, they can sue your pants off if you don't have some pretty stringent protections).

    No matter how good it is - do some reseach on the headaches and processes in putting it out on the market, first - including asking other people who make such products what the difficulties are that they found in set up.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I wouldn't. I make my own facial (that can be used anywhere on the body), and every person who has used it tells me I should market it - it's hella awesome.

      Now - a LOT of people might like your product, too. What you have to think of is permits, lawsuits (if someone has an allergic reaction or such, they can sue your pants off if you don't have some pretty stringent protections.

      No matter how good it is - do some reseach on the headaches and processes in putting it out on the market, first - including asking other people who make such products what the difficulties are that they found in set up.
      Thanks Sal.

      It is already been marketed and approved in the USA and a number of other countries as food grade for human and animal consumption

      It's been more of a folk medicine
      and never marketed to the mass beauty market.

      Haven't seen any adverse reaction reports or
      limitation warnings.

      Best,
      Ewen
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        Thanks Sal.

        It is already been marketed and approved in the USA and a number of other countries as food grade for human and animal consumption

        It's been more of a folk medicine
        and never marketed to the mass beauty market.

        Haven't seen any adverse reaction reports or
        limitation warnings.

        Best,
        Ewen
        That actually MAY NOT MATTER! The FDA doesn't like what they call "off label use". SO, if you introduce a use that is not considered customary, ESPECIALLY if you make some health claims, they may come down on you EVEN if it is allowed!

        Want a good example? Is it legal to sell Orangejuice? ****NOPE**** In the US it is ILLEGAL to sell orangejuice if you claim it will help scurvy!

        Is it legal to sell alcohol as a topical? ****NOPE**** ILLEGAL! It must be denatured. If you want NON denatured alcohol as a topical, I guess you'll have to buy vodka and use it YOURSELF!

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        • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          That actually MAY NOT MATTER! The FDA doesn't like what they call "off label use". SO, if you introduce a use that is not considered customary, ESPECIALLY if you make some health claims, they may come down on you EVEN if it is allowed!

          Want a good example? Is it legal to sell Orangejuice? ****NOPE**** In the US it is ILLEGAL to sell orangejuice if you claim it will help scurvy!

          Is it legal to sell alcohol as a topical? ****NOPE**** ILLEGAL! It must be denatured. If you want NON denatured alcohol as a topical, I guess you'll have to buy vodka and use it YOURSELF!

          Steve
          Thanks Steve.

          Yeah that's the grey area for me right now as to what I can and cannot say.

          Obviously saying things like it will takes years off your skin, remove wrinkles
          and look years younger will be outside the rules.

          I'll speak with a contract manufacturer here that is part of an American
          group to get a feel for it before seeking legal advice.

          Best,
          Ewen
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            Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

            Yeah that's the grey area for me right now as to what I can and cannot say.
            I wish you good luck with this, but I can barely begin to describe how important and urgent it is for you to take appropriate, specialist legal advice. (I'm not a lawyer - did you guess? ).

            Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

            I'll speak with a contract manufacturer here that is part of an American group to get a feel for it before seeking legal advice.
            I would do these two things the other way round, myself. Clearly there isn't a way to monetize this professionally and safely without legal advice. The earlier you get that, the better, IMHO.
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  • Profile picture of the author SShip
    Thanks Ewen. I'm so sorry, but I have to admit, that scares me a little bit. For me, I don't like to ingest things like that. It's kind of like the diet pill, I'm just not willing to try it. If I could rub a bit on a certain area and possibly see the results, I'd would be more willing to try it out.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Originally Posted by SShip View Post

      Thanks Ewen. I'm so sorry, but I have to admit, that scares me a little bit. For me, I don't like to ingest things like that. It's kind of like the diet pill, I'm just not willing to try it. If I could rub a bit on a certain area and possibly see the results, I'd would be more willing to try it out.
      Thanks for the honest feedback.

      It crossed my mind to make it into pills,
      but then some people have a hard time
      swallowing them.

      I can't ever see it being of any use by putting
      it on the skin because it needs to be be absorbed into the
      bloodstream to feed the body which causes the
      regrowth.

      Best,
      Ewen
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Wow, if it is ingestible, and it is normally ingested, you could be fine there. You CAN speak about what it MAY do, if it is appearance or feeling, and show real testimonials along those lines(They now demand you keep evidence). Of course, you DO have to say what is in it, and say if the plant it is made in deals with any allergens.

    Still, better have it made in a good plant, and as a limited liability entity.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Wow, if it is ingestible, and it is normally ingested, you could be fine there. You CAN speak about what it MAY do, if it is appearance or feeling, and show real testimonials along those lines(They now demand you keep evidence). Of course, you DO have to say what is in it, and say if the plant it is made in deals with any allergens.

      Still, better have it made in a good plant, and as a limited liability entity.

      Steve
      Yes it's been selling for a number years as a powder intake...
      just more as a what I would call folk medicine.
      Never marketed as a skin beauty product.

      Yes I've seen the word "may" used a lot for nutritional supplements.

      I would get it packed in the same facilities in which nutritional supplements
      are made to cover health and safety regulations.

      And yes will have to list ingredients on the label.

      Thanks.

      Best,
      Ewen
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Didn't want to get off-topic before but I had a recent experience that is really relevant now that you guys are all over the place with this.

    Starts with got a sample in the mail. Ends with why don't I ever follow directions to try something on a small patch on your hand to find out if you are allergic. (ok now I will do that from now on).

    This stuff was absolutely amazing. It actually did work the first time I used it. You could see it right away - it listed all really natural, beautiful stuff (see below).

    It felt like some kind of wax that filled in all the lines and even 3 hours after putting it on you could still feel it - silky - I looked at least 10 years younger.

    Sample lasted 3 days - 4th day - I woke up with both eyes swollen almost shut and a rash that you could not see but I could feel all over my face - it was horrific because it reminded me of those really horrible cases of acne you see on TV ads. God is good to me and it was not red so you couldn't see it AND it went away.

    I was about to buy the stuff - so glad my system freaked out before I spent the money.
    Big lesson learned - took about a week to be back to normal.

    So you really should stress the sample it on a small place and cover your back legally - I had no idea you could sue somebody just because YOU are allergic to some ingredient.

    I just do not understand what I would be allergic to here - must be some 'stabilizer' or preservative they don't list.

    Winter Cherry Extract -
    Carrot Seed Oil
    Brahmi
    Aloe Vera
    Sesame Seed Oil
    Turmeric
    Cinnamon
    Camphor
    Mustard Seed Oil
    Ginger & Honey
    Clove Oil
    Saffron
    Cardamom Oil
    Pearl
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    • Profile picture of the author affiliatemom
      I am wary of "ingestible" fixes, so I'd be a hard sell for this.

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Didn't want to get off-topic before but I had a recent experience that is really relevant now that you guys are all over the place with this.

      Starts with got a sample in the mail. Ends with why don't I ever follow directions to try something on a small patch on your hand to find out if you are allergic. (ok now I will do that from now on).

      This stuff was absolutely amazing. It actually did work the first time I used it. You could see it right away - it listed all really natural, beautiful stuff (see below).

      It felt like some kind of wax that filled in all the lines and even 3 hours after putting it on you could still feel it - silky - I looked at least 10 years younger.

      Sample lasted 3 days - 4th day - I woke up with both eyes swollen almost shut and a rash that you could not see but I could feel all over my face - it was horrific because it reminded me of those really horrible cases of acne you see on TV ads. God is good to me and it was not red so you couldn't see it AND it went away.

      I was about to buy the stuff - so glad my system freaked out before I spent the money.
      Big lesson learned - took about a week to be back to normal.

      So you really should stress the sample it on a small place and cover your back legally - I had no idea you could sue somebody just because YOU are allergic to some ingredient.

      I just do not understand what I would be allergic to here - must be some 'stabilizer' or preservative they don't list.

      Winter Cherry Extract -
      Carrot Seed Oil
      Brahmi
      Aloe Vera
      Sesame Seed Oil
      Turmeric
      Cinnamon
      Camphor
      Mustard Seed Oil
      Ginger & Honey
      Clove Oil
      Saffron
      Cardamom Oil
      Pearl
      If the ingredient that caused the allergy is on the label, and you are simply allergic to it, when it's an item that you can pick up at about any grocery store, you can sue, but you'll have a hard time winning your case. Same way in a restaurant - you eat something with peanuts in it and you're allergic - if it's a recipe that normally has peanuts, you're screwed for your lawsuit.

      If there was something in that formula that wasn't on the label, or the ingredients were contaminated, then you have a suit.

      I'm betting that if all the ingredients are listed - from that line-up - camphor would be the culprit.
      Actually, though, that list looks like it would NOT be right for everyday use because it would keep the natural oils so stripped out. I'm thinking if you'd only used it twice a week, it might have been okay. The only treatment skin should need every day is wash/moisturizer - maybe a litle coconut oil, too if your skin is really dry.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

      Starts with got a sample in the mail. Ends with why don't I ever follow directions to try something on a small patch on your hand to find out if you are allergic. (ok now I will do that from now on).

      Sample lasted 3 days - 4th day - I woke up with both eyes swollen almost shut and a rash that you could not see but I could feel all over my face - it was horrific because it reminded me of those really horrible cases of acne you see on TV ads.
      I once had a suture from a hernia operation, and used this special tape, to secure the bandages, that was SUPPOSED to be good. I am basically alergic to nothing. That tape gave me a nasty rash!

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      • Profile picture of the author Patrician
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        I once had a suture from a hernia operation, and used this special tape, to secure the bandages, that was SUPPOSED to be good. I am basically alergic to nothing. That tape gave me a nasty rash!

        Steve
        Steve - I guess 'sensitivity' to adhesives is very common. All the nicotine patches I have worn since January all stress that the adhesives may cause a reaction.

        For me only one brand and just part of one box apparently had a manufacturing problem because I had huge fire-red, raised rash in the exact shape of the patch (circular) - I really thought I was going to have to discontinue use, but thankfully after a week of that it finally stopped (that is how determined I was/am to quit) -

        (however nobody tells you how to kick the patch habit) - I have been through 'stepping down' step 1,2,3 about 10 times now - but holding steady at only one cig per day with step 3 (the weakest) -

        Down from 20-30 a day for 10 years that is pretty impressive - how will I ever quit the 1 and the patch don't ask me. I think I need one of the drugs for 'if the patch doesn't work' - but I won't take it - no question about that.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

          Steve - I guess 'sensitivity' to adhesives is very common. All the nicotine patches I have worn since January all stress that the adhesives may cause a reaction.

          For me only one brand and just part of one box apparently had a manufacturing problem because I had huge fire-red, raised rash in the exact shape of the patch (circular) - I really thought I was going to have to discontinue use, but thankfully after a week of that it finally stopped (that is how determined I was/am to quit) -

          (however nobody tells you how to kick the patch habit) - I have been through 'stepping down' step 1,2,3 about 10 times now - but holding steady at only one cig per day with step 3 (the weakest) -

          Down from 20-30 a day for 10 years that is pretty impressive - how will I ever quit the 1 and the patch don't ask me. I think I need one of the drugs for 'if the patch doesn't work' - but I won't take it - no question about that.
          Did you try GUM?

          The patches, unfortunately, are ALWAYS there, and often contain FAR more than you will ever see, due to transdermal being so inefficient. Absorption through the gum is FAR better, and you can take when needed. I imagine that, in various ways, you can step down the dosage from what you use NOW, to a small fraction and wean yourself off that last cigarette! And YEAH, that IS a GREAT accomplishment. For every dollar a pack, you WERE paying $365/year, and now pay about $18.25/year! You could LITERALLY buy a small laptop every year with the savings! If you get off that last cigarette, you can buy a nice big pizza every year with the new savings!

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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    You are probably right Sal - I wanted to hear your feedback on those ingredients - the winter cherry extract was supposed to be 'the thing' above the rest (and I am pretty sure is what made it smell really nice).

    ... and I wouldn't sue anybody - I only mentioned that because someone above said you could and I was surprised - I thought if you are allergic then you should be careful, right? It's like your problem and and they are not going to keep it away from the general population because a few people are allergic.

    ... but yeah - if it is contaminated or adulturated - then that is different -- or if you were scarred for life - a week i can handle - it was a good lesson. so fricking stupid to put something around my eyes that i don't even know where it came from.

    it was just such a crashing disappointment because it was so miraculous - I don't see anything listed there that says 'wax' but that is just what it felt like and the fact that it just filled up all the 'crags' or 'lines' to even out the face like baby fat! It may be the thing that is not listed that is the problem.

    I doubt it was the camphor I reacted to, because I have always been like addicted to anything like that - I always have vicks, camphophenique, tiger balm, eucalyptus or tea tree oil, and I put it right on the tip of my nose several times a day - it makes breathing really easy and clears the head.

    I am dropping organic coconut oil mega softgels daily - it is fabulous - I am a very dry person in general - Dry skin and hair (and even eyes!) and I really notice the difference when I am regular about taking those little coconut footballs!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Yeah, as I said earlier, you NOW have to say if the product was made in a company using allergens elsewhere. A little peanut oil/dust, or a drop of seafood oil can trigger a reaction.

    Yeah, my first thought was the camphor also.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I LOVE coconut oil, Pat - it's pretty inexpensive at Trader Joe's, too (organic). It's great for frying - for skin and hair, and is a powerhouse of healing when eaten - all the omega's your body needs, plus some added elements that are incredible for healing.

    I still think if you were putting camphor on your eyes, that could cause a serious rash. That's one I'll stay way away from.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Similar to good ole Knox for Nails. You could take a look at their promotional and on the box language.

    Ditto for biotin

    Also, here for ideas on how to approach, including instructions on how to use:
    David G. Young, N.D.: Gelatine

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    I don't remember if I bought it at King Soopers (part of the Kroger family), or Vitamin Cottage (a natural food store chain in the US - I think just regional), but I have a bottle of "Solgar" (since 1947) Oceanic Silica vegetable capsules. It has other ingredients and is labeled similar to a vitamin pill. It also says "Collagen Support" on the label.

    I bought it because I heard that silica is really good for the joints. I have not taken it often enough to notice if it is effective, but never had any adverse reactions at all.

    Anyway, more for you to study. Hope it helps.

    Dan

    PS - http://overallbeauty.com/beauty-blog...-gelatin-uses/
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      Similar to good ole Knox for Nails. You could take a look at their promotional and on the box language.

      Ditto for biotin

      Also, here for ideas on how to approach, including instructions on how to use:
      David G. Young, N.D.: Gelatine

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      I don't remember if I bought it at King Soopers (part of the Kroger family), or Vitamin Cottage (a natural food store chain in the US - I think just regional), but I have a bottle of "Solgar" (since 1947) Oceanic Silica vegetable capsules. It has other ingredients and is labeled similar to a vitamin pill. It also says "Collagen Support" on the label.

      I bought it because I heard that silica is really good for the joints. I have not taken it often enough to notice if it is effective, but never had any adverse reactions at all.

      Anyway, more for you to study. Hope it helps.

      Dan
      Gelatin is collagen - it digests into amino acids. I take a gelatin cap of gelatin (lol) daily. Screw the nails - amino acids are awesome for skin.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Gelatin is collagen - it digests into amino acids. I take a gelatin cap of gelatin (lol) daily. Screw the nails - amino acids are awesome for skin.
        One thing I noticed in my quick read of the instructions is that Knox fort Nails becomes collagen and gets in the system faster on an empty stomach.

        I might get some more silica caps and/or gelatin after reading this and thinking about my
        joints more. No problems now, but preventative?

        Dan
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

          One thing I noticed in my quick read of the instructions is that Knox fort Nails becomes collagen and gets in the system faster on an empty stomach.

          I might get some more silica caps and/or gelatin after reading this and thinking about my
          joints more. No problems now, but preventative?

          Dan
          Gelatin, L-Glutamine, calcium (in food, not supplement), Vitamin C, and Vit D (from sun whenever possible), and......
          Um........oh heck.......go buy the book. :rolleyes:
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