Did Nostradamus Predict The Rise and Fall of Communism in Russia?

Profile picture of the author bravo75 by bravo75 Posted: 09/15/2013
After this the sterile Dame, of greater power than the second (the third Reich?), shall be received by two nations, by the first made obstinate by him who had power over all, by the second, and third, that shall extend his forces towards; the circuit of the east of Europe; [arrived] there his standards will stop and succumb, but by sea he will run on to Trinacria and the Adriatic with his mirmidons.

The Germans will succumb wholly and the Barbaric sect will be disquieted and driven back by the whole of the Latin race.

Then shall begin the grand Empire of Antichrist in the Atila and Xerxes, [who is] to descend with innumerable multitudes, so that the coming of the Holy Spirit, issuing from the 48th degree, shall make a transmigration, chasing away the abomination of Antichrist, that made war upon the royal person of the great vicar of Jesus Christ, and against His Church, and reign per tempus, et in occasione temporis [for a time, and to the end of time].

This will be preceded by an eclipse of the sun, more obscure and tenebrose than has ever been since the creation of the world, up to the death and passion of Jesus Christ, and from thence till now. There will be in the month of October a grand revolution made, such that one would think that the librating body of the earth had lost its natural movement in the abyss of perpetual darkness.

There will be seen precursive signs in the spring-time, and after extreme changes ensuing, reversal of kingdoms, and great earthquakes. All this accompanied with the procreations of the New Babylon , a miserable prostitute big with the abomination of the first holocaust . It will only continue for seventy-three years seven months. 1917-1991.

The countries, towns, cities, and provinces that had forsaken their old customs to free themselves, enthralling themselves more deeply, shall become secretly weary of their liberty, and, true religion lost, shall commence by striking off to the left, to return more than ever to the right.(I think this applies more to communist Germany than Russia)

Oracles of Nostradamus: Epistle to Henry II

End of communism: 18th of August 1991

See also: When did Boris Yeltzin become president of Russia?

  • Profile picture of the author myob
    myob
    It takes considerable literary contortions to force fit the "predictions" of Nostradamus into modern events. Communism is still very much alive and well in Russia and in its deliberately hegemonic foreign policy. Putin's doctrine for the post-Soviet era reflects his ambitions for Russian expansion, particularly in the Middle East and Pacific rim regions. His kinder and gentler "soft power" (Moscow style) is rooted in the Soviet and czarist past and his own background as a former KGB agent (and later head of the FSB) turned cunning politician.

    Recent events in Syria have revealed Putins's true intentions by affirming strong warnings to other countries not to interfere with the "internal affairs" of sovereign regimes. By wielding his veto power in the UN security council as a formidable weapon of war, and fortifying Syria with massive munitions, Putin has demonstrated his own expansionist intentions. And his own brutality, for example in crushing the Chechen rebels, pales in comparison to Assad. No matter how one may twist the quatrains of Nostradamus around, I have never seen any reference to real historical predictions without injecting vivid imagination.
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
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    Originally Posted by myob View Post

    Communism is still very much alive and well in Russia and in its deliberately hegemonic foreign policy. Putin's doctrine for the post-Soviet era reflects his ambitions for Russian expansion, particularly in the Middle East and Pacific rim regions. His kinder and gentler "soft power" (Moscow style) is rooted in the Soviet and czarist past and his own background as a former KGB agent (and later head of the FSB) turned cunning politician.

    Recent events in Syria have revealed Putins's true intentions by affirming strong warnings to other countries not to interfere with the "internal affairs" of sovereign regimes. By wielding his veto power in the UN security council as a formidable weapon of war, and fortifying Syria with massive munitions, Putin has demonstrated his own expansionist intentions. And his own brutality, for example in crushing the Chechen rebels, pales in comparison to Assad. .
    I was going to say much the same, but so many have said communism is dead in russia, and the cold war is over.

    Of course, the cold war is NOT over. If it were, countries would be at and remain at parity or reduce. They wouldn't build up like north korea, china, and YEAH, RUSSIA! And russia is Still similar to how it was.

    Steve
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    HeySal
    descend with innumerable multitudes
    Sounds to me like he was "predicting" the war of the worlds. Either that or Santa and his elves are getting hot under the collar about something.

    But then I'm still waiting on the coffee to perk, so will have to read it again later.
  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    bravo75
    Originally Posted by myob View Post

    No matter how one may twist the quatrains of Nostradamus around, I have never seen any reference to real historical predictions without injecting vivid imagination.
    This isn't a quatrain, it's a letter to HenryII. I get your point, though.

    However, his quatrains regarding Nazi Germany and Napoleon are pretty much bang on. For me anyway.
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
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    Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

    This isn't a quatrain, it's a letter to HenryII. I get your point, though.

    However, his quatrains regarding Nazi Germany and Napoleon are pretty much bang on. For me anyway.
    Some DO appear to be eerily correct, but there IS a lot of interpretation, etc... Like the message about HISTER being born near the latin name for the danube.

    NOSTRADAMUS QUATRAIN #4 - 68

    In a place very close, not far from Venice,

    En lieu bien proche non eslignie de Venus,

    The two (agree to) expand into Asia and Africa

    Les deux plus grans de Asia & Afrique

    From the Rhine & that Hitler will now speak for Venice;

    Gu Rhin & Hister qu'on dira sont Venus;

    Cries, tears, at Malta & the coast of Liguria.

    Cris, pleurs, a Malta & coste Ligustique.
    Well, the POPE thing was DYING! I lined up a whole bunch of prophesies and figured they would start breaking within the span of like 5 years, as I recall. Time was running out, and the pope RETIRED, which now gets us closer!!!!!!!!!! So now we have who is to be the last pope. I also saw several ways he fits nostradamouses prophesy. Was he right? As I recall, to pass, we will find out by like 2020, so we don't have TOO long to wait! As I recall, after about that time, things will start breaking. There are like 3 or 4 major prophesies that will start dropping like flies.

    Of course, I guess that BEFORE that, if this pope should be replaced, by another, which would probably invalidate ALL prophesies concerning the pope, and the new pope could fit, the nostradamous supporters can claim THIS one was somehow improper, considering that the last time a pope retired was like 600 years ago, IIRC.

    Steve
  • Profile picture of the author myob
    myob
    I don't see anything at all in the writings of Nostradamus that could be considered "predictions" without highly embellished interpretations custom made to fit particular events.

    Nostradamus' quatrains have a convenient vagueness and applicability to more or less anything, which can be recycled to mean nearly anything and thus ultimately mean nothing.

    To me, Bob Dylan is more meaningful, much easier to understand, and quite often bang on.

    Here are a few of Bob Dylan's quatrains:

    "Come gather 'round people
    Wherever you roam
    And admit that the waters
    Around you have grown

    And accept it that soon
    You'll be drenched to the bone
    If your time to you
    Is worth savin'

    Then you better start swimmin'
    Or you'll sink like a stone
    For the times they are a-changin'.

    Come writers and critics
    Who prophesize with your pen
    And keep your eyes wide
    The chance won't come again

    And don't speak too soon
    For the wheel's still in spin
    And there's no tellin' who
    That it's namin'

    For the loser now
    Will be later to win
    For the times they are a-changin'.

    Come senators, congressmen
    Please heed the call
    Don't stand in the doorway
    Don't block up the hall

    For he that gets hurt
    Will be he who has stalled
    There's a battle outside
    And it is ragin'

    It'll soon shake your windows
    And rattle your walls
    For the times they are a-changin'.

    Come mothers and fathers
    Throughout the land
    And don't criticize
    What you can't understand

    Your sons and your daughters
    Are beyond your command
    Your old road is
    Rapidly agin'

    Please get out of the new one
    If you can't lend your hand
    For the times they are a-changin'.

    The line it is drawn
    The curse it is cast
    The slow one now
    Will later be fast

    As the present now
    Will later be past
    The order is
    Rapidly fadin'

    And the first one now
    Will later be last
    For the times they are a-changin'."
  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Claude Whitacre
    Why did we call guys that made prophesies in the past...apostles, seers, prophesiers?

    Because we didn't know what schizophrenia was back then.

    That's a guess.
  • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
    Sumit Menon
    Wasn't he the same guy who predicted the world was gonna end in 2012?
  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    bravo75
    Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

    Wasn't he the same guy who predicted the world was gonna end in 2012?
    No, those were opportunists trying to make bank by misinterpreting the Mayan calender.
  • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
    Khemosabi
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    Why did we call guys that made prophesies in the past...apostles, seers, prophesiers?

    Because we didn't know what schizophrenia was back then.

    That's a guess.

    I prefer the word "Gemini"..thank you very much!

    Just because youuuuu can't hear the voices in my head, doesn't make them NOT REAL!

    @Bravo. I find Nostradamus very interesting! Especially the way different people interpret his writings! Always a good discussion. We can really only speculate what was really going on back then!

    I wonder what he think if he came back today and saw all of the interpretations of his work! Can you imagine him and Jobs being together on a cloud (internet cloud Mods!), and Jobs saying "There's an app for that!"... :p

    ~ Theresa
  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    bravo75
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    Why did we call guys that made prophesies in the past...apostles, seers, prophesiers?

    Because we didn't know what schizophrenia was back then.

    That's a guess.
    Don't need to be a seer to see your opinion on the matter. If you think prophets were all schizophrenic (thanks TerraK), then there is really no point in discussing Nostradamus then, is it?
  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

    Don't need to be a seer to see your opinion on the matter. If you think prophets were all shizo's, then there is really no point in discussing Nostradamus then, is it?
    Bravo,

    Please pardon my ignorance, but what the heck is a "shizo"?

    Terra
  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    bravo75
    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

    Bravo,

    Please pardon my ignorance, but what the heck is a "shizo"?

    Terra
    schizophrenic, It was supposed to read "schizo".
  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    bravo75
    skizofrenick
  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

    schizophrenic, It was supposed to read "schizo".
    Haha! Thanks! That makes more sense.

    I did a search on shizo and found that he was a Japanese marathon runner and couldn't make the connection.

    Terra
  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    bravo75
    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

    Haha! Thanks! That makes more sense.

    I did a search on shizo and found that he was a Japanese marathon runner and couldn't make the connection.

    Terra
    Isn't there a certain breed of dogs called shizo's as well? Oh wait, they're "Schizo's".

    What in the infernal spirits of Hannibal has all this got to do with Nostradamus?:confused:
  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

    Isn't there a certain breed of dogs called shizo's as well? Oh wait, they're "Schizo's".

    What in the infernal spirits of Hannibal has all this got to do with Nostradamus?:confused:
    LOL!

    Blame Claude.

    He inferred that Nostradamus was a schizophrenic. As well as other prophets whose names I cannot mention due to the rules.

    Edit:

    I did find the prophecies he made regarding the rise of females in power and business, etc. very fascinating though. I can't remember the name of the book that was all about it. I don't want to go and try to find it either as my book collection is massive. I could be busy for hours, lol!

    Terra
  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    I did find this though, from adishakti.org

    Nostradamus: Prophecies For Women

    Nostradamus also prophesied what will probably become one of the most important third millennium issue for Humankind: The rise and empowerment of women who will heal the world with Love, Compassion, Cooperation and Harmony. The debilitating patriarchal world of aggression, destruction, rape and pillage will have to step aside and let them nurse humanity back to sanity. Women will rise in strength and power for they have been abused for just too long—just like Mother Earth.

    Manuela Dunn Mascetti and Peter Lorie in their book Nostradamus: Prophecies for Women (Labyrinth Publishing [UK] 1995) have interpreted Nostradamus prophecies that predict the decline of patriarchy. However, they explain certain prophecies with the existing knowledge and this has to be put in proper perspective. They admit that "Nostradamus’ verses are very difficult to understand and interpret as ‘sensible’ prophecies relating to our future", and is self-explanatory.

    "New law to occupy the new land
    Towards Syria, Judeau and Palestine:
    The great barbarian empire of men decay,
    Before the moon completes its cycle.

    Century 3:97

    A new law will emerge in the new world of America,
    At a time when Syria, Judeau and Palestine are significant:
    The great barbarian empire of patriarchy that men have created will decay
    During the time that the feminine spirit is completing its cycle."

    Manuela Dunn Mascetti and Peter Lorie
    Nostradamus: Prophecies for Women, Simon & Schuster, 1995, p. 47.

    They have correctly interpreted this verse, adding that "Throughout his verses Nostradamus frequently refers to "the new land" to mean America. This is an established interpretation, and in this case the "new law" which will arise there is related, in the last two lines, to two factors—the existence of a "barbarian" male empire, which is in decay, which is in turn is related to the Moon and its cycles—a common metaphorical association with woman. Put simply, the great virgin territories of the New World will be the source of a rising "lunar" consciousness as a time when the Judeo-Christian is at its peak." They believe that this brutal rule of patriarchy will start disintegrating before the female evolution is over. Syria, Judeau and Palestine refers to the three great religions rising from those lands—Islam, Judaism and Christianity—that have for centuries done the greatest damage to the spiritual development and emancipation of humankind, reducing their into religious retards totally dependent on doctrines and rituals for salvation. Of even greater damage has been the divinity of women, who for nearly two millenniums have been regarded as evil entities laden with latent lust, sperm receptors for a painful childbirth. The latter is regarded as a fitting punishment by a wrathful male god to all women because Eve discovered the deceitfulness and impotency of his death threat.

    The prophecy that "the great barbarian empire of patriarchy that men have created will decay during the time that the feminine spirit is completing its cycle" is specifically taking place now. Ancient spiritual warriors of the Great Primordial Mother (both male and female) are taking birth on Earth in ever increasing numbers. They are the First Phalanx who will battle this great barbarian empire of patriarchy and destroy it with the Truth of the feminine Holy Spirit. The Divine has already drawn the line between His messengers on Earth spreading the Good News of Resurrection to all and the vast Armies of Armageddon arraigned against them, promising the Dark Paradise exclusively reserved for their branded herd.

    The Truth that the prophecies of these patriarchal religions have already been fulfilled has left these Evening Empires devoid of divinity. What prophecies do they have to fulfill now? They are now empty shells. The Spirit of the Living God has taken their precious pearls and distributed them to all humankind. This feminine Spirit of God has begun to complete Her cycle just as the decadent patriarchal empire is battling desperately for more souls. In this next century they will be in their death throes and, as the sun finally sets on them, they will plunge into darkness and will never rise again!

    Manuela Dunn Mascetti and Peter Lorie also narrate the rising feminine power in economic, social, judicial, religious and political terms. But this is not the case. Any attempt by women to assume traditional male roles, without Self-Realization, will only make them succumb to the aggressiveness necessary for success. They will slowly, but surely, lose their feminism. Soon they will be drinking beer, puffing cigars, and pumping iron—or are they already?

    Women are destined for far greater glory in this millennium as they are the very source of feminine spiritual power, the Shaktis who will raise all humankind to a new level of consciousness. This "lunar" consciousness is the spiritual awakening among humankind of the feminine Holy Spirit, the Power of God Almighty! "In an age when the masculine virtues are becoming less adaptive for our survival, government by women might actually prove to be superior adaption in evolutionary terms." (Dr. Peter A. Corning, U. of Colorado.) Women have to acquire this Kundalini Power before they can assume their feminine roles in this macho society that lacks genuine love and compassion. Women have to seek their innate spiritual powers within them and then collectively heal the human species. The temples, churches and mosques cannot and will never empower them, and so, to those religiously inclined a question: What is there to be gained from these patriarchal regimes that have for millenniums regarded half of humanity as a hindrance, even curse, on spiritual emancipation?

    The Great Mater Sanctissima, on the contrary, has emphasized that women are the very spring of spiritual power so vital for liberation. Every source of birth and sustenance is feminine. The Kundalini is feminine. Nature is feminine. Mother Earth is feminine. The entire Universe is feminine. God Almighty, like the human species, is both ‘Male’ and ‘Female’ (in the crudest sense of the word). The masculine half of God Almighty, like the human male species, is a passive Witness. The feminine Holy Spirit, like all females, is the active Creator. And this Millennium will see the rise of women who will nurse and heal our Earth back to sanity and spiritualism.
    As I said, I found it interesting, not that I completely agreed with it.

    Terra
  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Kurt
    Nostradamus also prophesied what will probably become one of the most important third millennium issue for Humankind: The rise and empowerment of women who will heal the world with Love, Compassion, Cooperation and Harmony. The debilitating patriarchal world of aggression, destruction, rape and pillage will have to step aside and let them nurse humanity back to sanity. Women will rise in strength and power for they have been abused for just too long—just like Mother Earth.
    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

    I did find this though, from adishakti.org

    As I said, I found it interesting, not that I completely agreed with it.

    Terra
    So...Nostradamas missed on Katherine the Great, Golda Mier, Margaret Thatcher, et al... LOL
  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    So...Nostradamas missed on Katherine the Great, Golda Mier, Margaret Thatcher, et al... LOL
    I'm quite confident he missed on more than that.

    Terra

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