Did Nostradamus Predict The Rise and Fall of Communism in Russia?

11 years ago

It takes considerable literary contortions to force fit the "predictions" of Nostradamus into modern events. Communism is still very much alive and well in Russia and in its deliberately hegemonic foreign policy. Putin's doctrine for the post-Soviet era reflects his ambitions for Russian expansion, particularly in the Middle East and Pacific rim regions. His kinder and gentler "soft power" (Moscow style) is rooted in the Soviet and czarist past and his own background as a former KGB agent (and later head of the FSB) turned cunning politician.

Recent events in Syria have revealed Putins's true intentions by affirming strong warnings to other countries not to interfere with the "internal affairs" of sovereign regimes. By wielding his veto power in the UN security council as a formidable weapon of war, and fortifying Syria with massive munitions, Putin has demonstrated his own expansionist intentions. And his own brutality, for example in crushing the Chechen rebels, pales in comparison to Assad. No matter how one may twist the quatrains of Nostradamus around, I have never seen any reference to real historical predictions without injecting vivid imagination.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

Communism is still very much alive and well in Russia and in its deliberately hegemonic foreign policy. Putin's doctrine for the post-Soviet era reflects his ambitions for Russian expansion, particularly in the Middle East and Pacific rim regions. His kinder and gentler "soft power" (Moscow style) is rooted in the Soviet and czarist past and his own background as a former KGB agent (and later head of the FSB) turned cunning politician.

Recent events in Syria have revealed Putins's true intentions by affirming strong warnings to other countries not to interfere with the "internal affairs" of sovereign regimes. By wielding his veto power in the UN security council as a formidable weapon of war, and fortifying Syria with massive munitions, Putin has demonstrated his own expansionist intentions. And his own brutality, for example in crushing the Chechen rebels, pales in comparison to Assad. .

I was going to say much the same, but so many have said communism is dead in russia, and the cold war is over.

Of course, the cold war is NOT over. If it were, countries would be at and remain at parity or reduce. They wouldn't build up like north korea, china, and YEAH, RUSSIA! And russia is Still similar to how it was.

Steve

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bravo75

11 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

No matter how one may twist the quatrains of Nostradamus around, I have never seen any reference to real historical predictions without injecting vivid imagination.

This isn't a quatrain, it's a letter to HenryII. I get your point, though.

However, his quatrains regarding Nazi Germany and Napoleon are pretty much bang on. For me anyway.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

This isn't a quatrain, it's a letter to HenryII. I get your point, though.

However, his quatrains regarding Nazi Germany and Napoleon are pretty much bang on. For me anyway.

Some DO appear to be eerily correct, but there IS a lot of interpretation, etc... Like the message about HISTER being born near the latin name for the danube.

NOSTRADAMUS QUATRAIN #4 - 68

In a place very close, not far from Venice,

En lieu bien proche non eslignie de Venus,

The two (agree to) expand into Asia and Africa

Les deux plus grans de Asia & Afrique

From the Rhine & that Hitler will now speak for Venice;

Gu Rhin & Hister qu'on dira sont Venus;

Cries, tears, at Malta & the coast of Liguria.

Cris, pleurs, a Malta & coste Ligustique.

Well, the POPE thing was DYING! I lined up a whole bunch of prophesies and figured they would start breaking within the span of like 5 years, as I recall. Time was running out, and the pope RETIRED, which now gets us closer!!!!!!!!!! So now we have who is to be the last pope. I also saw several ways he fits nostradamouses prophesy. Was he right? As I recall, to pass, we will find out by like 2020, so we don't have TOO long to wait! As I recall, after about that time, things will start breaking. There are like 3 or 4 major prophesies that will start dropping like flies.

Of course, I guess that BEFORE that, if this pope should be replaced, by another, which would probably invalidate ALL prophesies concerning the pope, and the new pope could fit, the nostradamous supporters can claim THIS one was somehow improper, considering that the last time a pope retired was like 600 years ago, IIRC.

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myob

11 years ago

I don't see anything at all in the writings of Nostradamus that could be considered "predictions" without highly embellished interpretations custom made to fit particular events.

Nostradamus' quatrains have a convenient vagueness and applicability to more or less anything, which can be recycled to mean nearly anything and thus ultimately mean nothing.

To me, Bob Dylan is more meaningful, much easier to understand, and quite often bang on.

Here are a few of Bob Dylan's quatrains:

"Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown

And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin'

Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again

And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'

For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall

For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'

It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand

Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'

Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast

As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'

And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'."

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Why did we call guys that made prophesies in the past...apostles, seers, prophesiers?

Because we didn't know what schizophrenia was back then.

That's a guess.

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Khemosabi

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Why did we call guys that made prophesies in the past...apostles, seers, prophesiers?

Because we didn't know what schizophrenia was back then.

That's a guess.

I prefer the word "Gemini"..thank you very much!

Just because youuuuu can't hear the voices in my head, doesn't make them NOT REAL!

@Bravo. I find Nostradamus very interesting! Especially the way different people interpret his writings! Always a good discussion. We can really only speculate what was really going on back then!

I wonder what he think if he came back today and saw all of the interpretations of his work! Can you imagine him and Jobs being together on a cloud (internet cloud Mods!), and Jobs saying "There's an app for that!"... :p

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bravo75

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Why did we call guys that made prophesies in the past...apostles, seers, prophesiers?

Because we didn't know what schizophrenia was back then.

That's a guess.

Don't need to be a seer to see your opinion on the matter. If you think prophets were all schizophrenic (thanks TerraK), then there is really no point in discussing Nostradamus then, is it?

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Don't need to be a seer to see your opinion on the matter. If you think prophets were all shizo's, then there is really no point in discussing Nostradamus then, is it?

Bravo,

Please pardon my ignorance, but what the heck is a "shizo"?

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bravo75

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Bravo,

Please pardon my ignorance, but what the heck is a "shizo"?

Terra

schizophrenic, It was supposed to read "schizo".

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

schizophrenic, It was supposed to read "schizo".

Haha! Thanks! That makes more sense.

I did a search on shizo and found that he was a Japanese marathon runner and couldn't make the connection.

Terra

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bravo75

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Haha! Thanks! That makes more sense.

I did a search on shizo and found that he was a Japanese marathon runner and couldn't make the connection.

Terra

Isn't there a certain breed of dogs called shizo's as well? Oh wait, they're "Schizo's".

What in the infernal spirits of Hannibal has all this got to do with Nostradamus?:confused:

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Isn't there a certain breed of dogs called shizo's as well? Oh wait, they're "Schizo's".

What in the infernal spirits of Hannibal has all this got to do with Nostradamus?:confused:

LOL!

Blame Claude.

He inferred that Nostradamus was a schizophrenic. As well as other prophets whose names I cannot mention due to the rules.

Edit:

I did find the prophecies he made regarding the rise of females in power and business, etc. very fascinating though. I can't remember the name of the book that was all about it. I don't want to go and try to find it either as my book collection is massive. I could be busy for hours, lol!

Terra

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

I did find this though, from adishakti.org

Nostradamus: Prophecies For Women

Nostradamus also prophesied what will probably become one of the most important third millennium issue for Humankind: The rise and empowerment of women who will heal the world with Love, Compassion, Cooperation and Harmony. The debilitating patriarchal world of aggression, destruction, rape and pillage will have to step aside and let them nurse humanity back to sanity. Women will rise in strength and power for they have been abused for just too long—just like Mother Earth.

Manuela Dunn Mascetti and Peter Lorie in their book Nostradamus: Prophecies for Women (Labyrinth Publishing [UK] 1995) have interpreted Nostradamus prophecies that predict the decline of patriarchy. However, they explain certain prophecies with the existing knowledge and this has to be put in proper perspective. They admit that "Nostradamus’ verses are very difficult to understand and interpret as ‘sensible’ prophecies relating to our future", and is self-explanatory.

"New law to occupy the new land
Towards Syria, Judeau and Palestine:
The great barbarian empire of men decay,
Before the moon completes its cycle.

Century 3:97

A new law will emerge in the new world of America,
At a time when Syria, Judeau and Palestine are significant:
The great barbarian empire of patriarchy that men have created will decay
During the time that the feminine spirit is completing its cycle."

Manuela Dunn Mascetti and Peter Lorie
Nostradamus: Prophecies for Women, Simon & Schuster, 1995, p. 47.

They have correctly interpreted this verse, adding that "Throughout his verses Nostradamus frequently refers to "the new land" to mean America. This is an established interpretation, and in this case the "new law" which will arise there is related, in the last two lines, to two factors—the existence of a "barbarian" male empire, which is in decay, which is in turn is related to the Moon and its cycles—a common metaphorical association with woman. Put simply, the great virgin territories of the New World will be the source of a rising "lunar" consciousness as a time when the Judeo-Christian is at its peak." They believe that this brutal rule of patriarchy will start disintegrating before the female evolution is over. Syria, Judeau and Palestine refers to the three great religions rising from those lands—Islam, Judaism and Christianity—that have for centuries done the greatest damage to the spiritual development and emancipation of humankind, reducing their into religious retards totally dependent on doctrines and rituals for salvation. Of even greater damage has been the divinity of women, who for nearly two millenniums have been regarded as evil entities laden with latent lust, sperm receptors for a painful childbirth. The latter is regarded as a fitting punishment by a wrathful male god to all women because Eve discovered the deceitfulness and impotency of his death threat.

The prophecy that "the great barbarian empire of patriarchy that men have created will decay during the time that the feminine spirit is completing its cycle" is specifically taking place now. Ancient spiritual warriors of the Great Primordial Mother (both male and female) are taking birth on Earth in ever increasing numbers. They are the First Phalanx who will battle this great barbarian empire of patriarchy and destroy it with the Truth of the feminine Holy Spirit. The Divine has already drawn the line between His messengers on Earth spreading the Good News of Resurrection to all and the vast Armies of Armageddon arraigned against them, promising the Dark Paradise exclusively reserved for their branded herd.

The Truth that the prophecies of these patriarchal religions have already been fulfilled has left these Evening Empires devoid of divinity. What prophecies do they have to fulfill now? They are now empty shells. The Spirit of the Living God has taken their precious pearls and distributed them to all humankind. This feminine Spirit of God has begun to complete Her cycle just as the decadent patriarchal empire is battling desperately for more souls. In this next century they will be in their death throes and, as the sun finally sets on them, they will plunge into darkness and will never rise again!

Manuela Dunn Mascetti and Peter Lorie also narrate the rising feminine power in economic, social, judicial, religious and political terms. But this is not the case. Any attempt by women to assume traditional male roles, without Self-Realization, will only make them succumb to the aggressiveness necessary for success. They will slowly, but surely, lose their feminism. Soon they will be drinking beer, puffing cigars, and pumping iron—or are they already?

Women are destined for far greater glory in this millennium as they are the very source of feminine spiritual power, the Shaktis who will raise all humankind to a new level of consciousness. This "lunar" consciousness is the spiritual awakening among humankind of the feminine Holy Spirit, the Power of God Almighty! "In an age when the masculine virtues are becoming less adaptive for our survival, government by women might actually prove to be superior adaption in evolutionary terms." (Dr. Peter A. Corning, U. of Colorado.) Women have to acquire this Kundalini Power before they can assume their feminine roles in this macho society that lacks genuine love and compassion. Women have to seek their innate spiritual powers within them and then collectively heal the human species. The temples, churches and mosques cannot and will never empower them, and so, to those religiously inclined a question: What is there to be gained from these patriarchal regimes that have for millenniums regarded half of humanity as a hindrance, even curse, on spiritual emancipation?

The Great Mater Sanctissima, on the contrary, has emphasized that women are the very spring of spiritual power so vital for liberation. Every source of birth and sustenance is feminine. The Kundalini is feminine. Nature is feminine. Mother Earth is feminine. The entire Universe is feminine. God Almighty, like the human species, is both ‘Male’ and ‘Female’ (in the crudest sense of the word). The masculine half of God Almighty, like the human male species, is a passive Witness. The feminine Holy Spirit, like all females, is the active Creator. And this Millennium will see the rise of women who will nurse and heal our Earth back to sanity and spiritualism.

As I said, I found it interesting, not that I completely agreed with it.

Terra

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Kurt

11 years ago

Nostradamus also prophesied what will probably become one of the most important third millennium issue for Humankind: The rise and empowerment of women who will heal the world with Love, Compassion, Cooperation and Harmony. The debilitating patriarchal world of aggression, destruction, rape and pillage will have to step aside and let them nurse humanity back to sanity. Women will rise in strength and power for they have been abused for just too long--just like Mother Earth.

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I did find this though, from adishakti.org

As I said, I found it interesting, not that I completely agreed with it.

Terra

So...Nostradamas missed on Katherine the Great, Golda Mier, Margaret Thatcher, et al... LOL

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MissTerraK 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

So...Nostradamas missed on Katherine the Great, Golda Mier, Margaret Thatcher, et al... LOL

I'm quite confident he missed on more than that.

Terra
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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

Don't need to be a seer to see your opinion on the matter. If you think prophets were all schizophrenic (thanks TerraK), then there is really no point in discussing Nostradamus then, is it?

Bravo; The truth is, I don't know that he was schizophrenic. I don't know that all prophets were delusional or drunk or lying, or really had paranormal powers.

They are dead, and we didn't have the medical knowledge back then.

Ever been to a big city and heard someone on the corner yelling at ...well...nobody?

Today, most people would assume the person isn't well, mentally. But 500 years ago? We thought he was possessed, or talking to spirits, or blessed with powers of prediction.

As an example, if I started talking in riddles, and saying things that Nostradamus said....would the first thought be "Claude must have paranormal powers to see the future"? Or would your first thought be "Claude, what are you smoking? Are you OK? Do you need medical attention?"

I hope it's the later, because I might be having a stroke.

Originally Posted by Khemosabi

I prefer the word "Gemini"..thank you very much!

Just because youuuuu can't hear the voices in my head, doesn't make them NOT REAL! Theresa

Khemosabi; I don't get the "Gemini" reference. And ...um....are you joking?

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HeySal

11 years ago

descend with innumerable multitudes

Sounds to me like he was "predicting" the war of the worlds. Either that or Santa and his elves are getting hot under the collar about something.

But then I'm still waiting on the coffee to perk, so will have to read it again later.

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Sumit Menon

11 years ago

Wasn't he the same guy who predicted the world was gonna end in 2012?

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bravo75 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sumit Menon

Wasn't he the same guy who predicted the world was gonna end in 2012?

No, those were opportunists trying to make bank by misinterpreting the Mayan calender.
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myob

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sumit Menon

Wasn't he the same guy who predicted the world was gonna end in 2012?

One of my favorites for many years (used by hucksters to profit from the end of the world mania in 1999) is that Nostradamus "predicted" a great comet, Nibiru, rogue planet, Planet X, etc would hit the earth:

"The year 1999, seventh month,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck."

I still have no idea how anyone but the most imaginative could have arrived at such an interpretation. But when nothing happened on that date, inventive marketers then said the calendar was in error, since it was changed from Julian to Gregorian in the year 1582.

The far more "accurate" astronomical Mayan calendar ended on December 21, 2012. People really were led to believe that the end of the world prediction by Nostradamus coincided with the end of the Mayan calendar.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

One of my favorites for many years (used by hucksters to profit from the end of the world mania in 1999) is that Nostradamus "predicted" a great comet, Nibiru, rogue planet, Planet X, etc would hit the earth:

"The year 1999, seventh month,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck."

I still have no idea how anyone but the most imaginative could have arrived at such an interpretation. But when nothing happened on that date, inventive marketers then said the calendar was in error, since it was changed from Julian to Gregorian in the year 1582.

The far more "accurate" astronomical Mayan calendar ended on December 21, 2012. People really were led to believe that the end of the world prediction by Nostradamus coincided with the end of the Mayan calendar.

Well, they DID apparently make a mistake with the calendar. I don't think it was over 13 years though!

BTW Russia, Iran/Iraq, and China are the ones that are typically considered to play a part in the destruction of human society. Usually, if an end of the physical world is mentioned, it is AFTER the whole fabric of the nations is unraveled.

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bravo75

11 years ago

A new law will emerge in the new world of America,
At a time when Syria, Judeau and Palestine are significant:
The great barbarian empire of patriarchy that men have created will decay
During the time that the feminine spirit is completing its cycle."

I doubt the authenticity of this quatrain. I can not remember Nostradamus ever mentioning "America" directly. He used the "new world" or "etas unis". I can't remember him ever mentioning Palestine, either. I could be wrong, but I doubt it's an authentic Nostradamus quatrain.

This quatrain has also been slightly twisted:

Nouuelle loy terre neufue occuper,
Vers la Syrie Iudee,& Palestine:
Le grand empire barbare corruer,
Auant que Phebés son siecle determine.

New law to occupy the new land
Towards Syria, Judea and Palestine.
The great barbarian empire to decay
Before Phebes completes its cycle.

adishakti.org's translation:

"New law to occupy the new land
Towards Syria, Judeau and Palestine:
The great barbarian empire of men decay,
Before the moon completes its cycle.

It takes on an entirely different meaning.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bravo75

A new law will emerge in the new world of America,
At a time when Syria, Judeau and Palestine are significant:
The great barbarian empire of patriarchy that men have created will decay
During the time that the feminine spirit is completing its cycle."

I doubt the authenticity of this quatrain. I can not remember Nostradamus ever mentioning "America" directly. He used the "new world" or "etas unis". I can't remember him ever mentioning Palestine, either. I could be wrong, but I doubt it's an authentic Nostradamus quatrain.

This quatrain has also been slightly twisted:

Nouuelle loy terre neufue occuper,
Vers la Syrie Iudee,& Palestine:
Le grand empire barbare corruer,
Auant que Phebés son siecle determine.

New law to occupy the new land
Towards Syria, Judea and Palestine.
The great barbarian empire to decay
Before Phebes completes its cycle.

adishakti.org's translation:

"New law to occupy the new land
Towards Syria, Judeau and Palestine:
The great barbarian empire of men decay,
Before the moon completes its cycle.

It takes on an entirely different meaning.

All I can tell you was the book was a gift, I read it, and then put it away.

I really don't follow Nostradamus or try to interpret his writings.

Terra

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Dan Riffle

11 years ago

Claude, don't you realize that this entire forum is simply a figment of my imagination? Every single person here is just a different portion of my subconscious trying to get out. In fact, you're only here because I once ate a bad burrito.

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Claude, don't you realize that this entire forum is simply a figment of my imagination? Every single person here is just a different portion of my subconscious trying to get out. In fact, you're only here because I once ate a bad burrito.

Was it a bald, huge, pompous, self-important burrito? I would like to think that it took a giant burrito to make me. Because I'm Special.

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Dan Riffle 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Was it a bald, huge, pompous, self-important burrito? I would like to think that it took a giant burrito to make me. Because I'm Special.

Unfortunately, I think it wasn't bald. I also think that fact aided in the indigestion caused.
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