UK man gets 27 years for plan to rape, eat & kill children

socialentry

11 years ago

only 26 years?

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thunderbird 11 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

only 26 years?

He won't last that long. He'll probably be dead within 1 year.
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Jason Kanigan

11 years ago

Doesn't he look like a winner!

All that stuff in his house, the actual dungeon (how much did THAT cost him?!), the internet chatting...no, he really didn't mean it--yeah right!

Thankfully this awful person was caught before he was able to actually carry his fantasies out. Horrible that there is always another person these people can find to talk to and help plan out their evil acts. What things need to be done to you so that you conclude ideas like this are OK?

Reminds me of the criminology course I took way back in '92...the British approach (at least at the time) was that some people are "just evil", whereas the US & Canadian approach was to look for cause and rehabilitate. Is this guy "just evil"...or did something terrible happen to him to make him this way?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan

Reminds me of the criminology course I took way back in '92...the British approach (at least at the time) was that some people are "just evil", whereas the US & Canadian approach was to look for cause and rehabilitate. Is this guy "just evil"...or did something terrible happen to him to make him this way?

I think it can be both... and more. People always want the single answer.

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goindeep

11 years ago

OMG! That is pure evil!

So good that they caught him before he could carry any of that out, evil piece of fu**ing shit! Hope he rots in hell for eternity!

What happened to his buddy? That SOB needs to get life!

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seasoned

11 years ago

WOW, what a coincidence! Last night, I went to a meeting, that discussed, in part, how the US was funding a group(let's call it "UKLA", NOT it's real name) that supported a group that had, among other things, a website for its members. Among other info on the site? Information about kidnapping, raping, killing, and disposing of kids. They didn't mention EATING though.

I wonder if Geoffrey is a member.

They ACTUALLY have a listed(STANDARD) offense for "soliciting the kidnapping of a child for the purpose of killing and consuming that child." on the books? It must be more common than we could believe.

BTW Geoffrey is a citizen of the UK, and there was no proof that he actually used it apparently, and that likely accounts for the short sentence. Of course, people here usually don't get what they deserve. The founder of "UKLA" based on a quote I heard yesterday from him, or the actions of him SINCE, should have met with some heinous fate. Alas, he started an organization that the US even gives money to while they try to destroy the US(one of the founder's stated goals).

ALSO, in the US, many, on EITHER side, don't want to risk the courts. A killer could go free with nothing(which prosecutors HATE), or be locked up for LIFE for stealing a slice pizza(which defendants hate). So they may make a game of what is called a "plea bargain". Both sides agree on a sentence that is below the maximum or, less frequently, some other thing, such as a family member not being charged.

The organization that is into the kidnap and murder of kids literally claims to love kids, and there are laws forbidding many actions against the group! THEY may well have paid for geoffrey's lawyer. Of course, "UKLA" might have ALSO!

AGAIN, I state that "UKLA" isn't their real name. They just have so many in the US and possibly the world bamboozled that I couldn't use it as it might be considered political. For the OTHER organization, there is a tie, and it may still be considered political. Most KNOW what they do, though they may not know about PLANNED killings and disposals.

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mojojuju

11 years ago

At least he planned on eating them when he was finished with them. Other people can be so wasteful!

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Richard Van 11 years ago

I'm surprised he could eat anything.

Looks like he's had plenty to eat as it is.

Greedy b*****d.
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- MissTerraK 11 years ago
  
  That is the most diabolically evil thing I've heard of in a very long time. Disgusting!
  
  I can't believe he only got 26 years. The sad thing is, I believe that if he had indeed harmed a child he would have got more time. It's sad that a poor innocent little child would have to be sacrificed in order for this monster to get life or the death penalty.
  
  Crazy world we live in!
  
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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Thought crime.

Coming soon to a government near you.

I hear you Ken, but this was way beyond just thinking about it. Did you see the photos from the article? This dude was in the planning stages and what was found in his home certainly shows intent.

Would you say that about someone planning to bomb a major event that got thwarted, a mass shooting that got thwarted?

I certainly hope not!

Terra

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Richard Van

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Would you say that about someone planning to bomb a major event that got thwarted, a mass shooting that got thwarted?

One thing I would say is there's a very big difference between a kid fiddler that knows raping, killing and eating children is wrong and an Islamic extremist who wants to mass kill random people but also "knows" he'll go to heaven to be piled high with lot's of virgins and believes God will be jolly happy with him.

Either way, the chap had some serious issues and I also haven't gone into the case too much, the headline was depressing enough for me.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

One thing I would say is there's a very big difference between a kid fiddler that knows raping, killing and eating children is wrong and an Islamic extremist who wants to mass kill random people but also "knows" he'll go to heaven to be piled high with lot's of virgins and believes God will be jolly happy with him.

Either way, the chap had some serious issues and I also haven't gone into the case too much, the headline was depressing enough for me.

I wasn't referring to Islamics in any way shape or form. We have plenty of homegrown whacks right here in the States who have killed men, women and children with no promises of virgins or Godly praise.

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Richard Van

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I wasn't referring to Islamics in any way shape or form. We have plenty of homegrown whacks right here in the States who have killed men, women and children with no promises of virgins or Godly praise.

Terra

Forgive me, I was just trying to make the point that intent can have many guises.

I wasn't disagreeing either, merely pointing out there are many different forms of intent. For example this man may have known what he planned was wrong and may not have done it (he may well have too). An Islamic extremist (just an example) may plan it but if not caught may feel he has to do it because he feels God wants him to.

I was just referring to when you said the following...

I hear you Ken, but this was way beyond just thinking about it. Did you see the photos from the article? This dude was in the planning stages and what was found in his home certainly shows intent.

Would you say that about someone planning to bomb a major event that got thwarted, a mass shooting that got thwarted?

I was just pointing out that although in the planning stages, he may well have still done it, bottled out or ran away - I just don't know. My point is, he may react differently to a terrorist that thinks God wants him to do it, or a mentally unhinged person that may carry out the act because a lettuce told him to do it (or some voice in his head, the lettuce was also an example)

I hope that makes a bit of sense, I wasn't trying to start a fight, just chucking thoughts out there.

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MissTerraK 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

I hope that makes a bit of sense, I wasn't trying to start a fight, just chucking thoughts out there.

I get you.

Huh? We were fighting? If that's the case, you can fight with me any time you like.

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Dan Riffle

11 years ago

I'm with Ken on this one. If the act hasn't happened yet, there's still potential that the individual will not follow through on the crime.

Arrests with intent without action give me the shivers. Where does it lead?

I'm speaking generally here with no application to the above topic. I did not read the article.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I'm with Ken on this one. If the act hasn't happened yet, there's still potential that the individual will not follow through on the crime.

Arrests with intent without action give me the shivers. Where does it lead?

I'm speaking generally here with no application to the above topic. I did not read the article.

Yeah, your right. even while writing the LASt post, I thought the soundproofing could be for him, or even an entertainment room. Double bolt lock ARE more secure and maybe that is all he had. Th cuffs could have been plants, or only in case. Who knows.

Many HAVE been convicted on much less though. If he WERE a member of that group I mentioned, I would say just throw away the key.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I'm with Ken on this one. If the act hasn't happened yet, there's still potential that the individual will not follow through on the crime.

Arrests with intent without action give me the shivers. Where does it lead?

I'm speaking generally here with no application to the above topic. I did not read the article.

That's what his attorney said. It didn't work. The guy got 26 and a half years.

Terra

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Dan Riffle

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

That's what his attorney said. It didn't work. The guy got 26 years.

Terra

And the attorney may be correct. As I said, I didn't read the article. I'm speaking in generality. The only direct application of what I said to this case may be in setting precendent. I hate giving lawmakers so much gray area. Law never seems to spread in a positive fashion.

There was a time, hard to believe, when I wasn't the wise old owl I am today. I was a sixteen year-old moron. A "gang" of other morons was bullying kids at school. My friend and I stuck our noses in it and the "gang" started coming after us. We, however, weren't the type to be bullied. (This isn't meant as puffery or braggadocio. We just didn't have the mindset to be bullied. We were young and invincible.)

One thing lead to another, and a fight was scheduled between the "gang" leader and my friend. Word got out quick and there had to be fifty people that showed up at the meeting place. I told one of the "gang" members, that if he jumped in, I'd lay him out. The "gang" leader showed up late...with his dad and my friend's parents!!!

Thus the fight was off. However, I apparently made an enemy of the other guy and he defaced my car (my precious!) a week later. My friend and I decided we were going to show them "The Chicago Way" -- They send one of yours to the hospital, we send one of theirs to the morgue.

We were going to flat out destroy his car. Plans were made. Alibis were developed. Items were constructed. Everything was in order.

My friend and I, along with a couple accomplices, were sitting in my living room in the dark waiting for witching hour to strike. I pulled the plug at the very last minute.

It was at that moment that I went from a boy to a man (Not in the Biblical sense - that happened a few months later.) I took some heat from my friends, but I knew what we had planned was beyond stupid.

Had cops intervened, we would have gone to jail, potentially for a long time.

We had intent, a lot of intent. But we didn't act.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

And the attorney may be correct. As I said, I didn't read the article. I'm speaking in generality. The only direct application of what I said to this case may be in setting precendent. I hate giving lawmakers so much gray area. Law never seems to spread in a positive fashion.

There was a time, hard to believe, when I wasn't the wise old owl I am today. I was a sixteen year-old moron. A "gang" of other morons was bullying kids at school. My friend and I stuck our noses in it and the "gang" started coming after us. We, however, weren't the type to be bullied. (This isn't meant as puffery or braggadocio. We just didn't have the mindset to be bullied. We were young and invincible.)

One thing lead to another, and a fight was scheduled between the "gang" leader and my friend. Word got out quick and there had to be fifty people that showed up at the meeting place. I told one of the "gang" members, that if he jumped in, I'd lay him out. The "gang" leader showed up late...with his dad and my friends parents!!!

Thus the fight was off. However, I apparently made an enemy of the other guy and he defaced my car (my precious!) a week later. My friend and I decided we were going to show them "The Chicago Way" -- They send one of yours to the hospital, we send one of theirs to the morgue.

We were going to flat out destroy his car. Plans were made. Alibis were developed. Items were constructed. Everything was in order.

My friend and I, along with a couple accomplices, were sitting in my living in the dark waiting for witching hour to strike. I pulled the plug at the very last minute.

It was at that moment that I went from a boy to a man (Not in the Biblical sense - that happened a few months later.) I took some heat from my friends, but I knew what we had planned was beyond stupid.

Had cops intervened, we would have gone to jail, potentially for a long time.

We had intent, a lot of intent. But we didn't act.

Two things, well three, actually.

I understand your viewpoint now but still disagree with the dude in question.

Secondly, I am so proud of you Dan, for what you did that night (and didn't do) and if I may say so, you turned out to be a fine specimen of a man.

And thirdly, HAHAHA to not in the Biblical sense, but TMI to "that happened a few months later."

Terra

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Dan Riffle

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Two things, well three, actually.

I understand your viewpoint now but still disagree with the dude in question.

Secondly, I am so proud of you Dan, for what you did that night (and didn't do) and if I may say so, you turned out to be a fine specimen of a man.

And thirdly, HAHAHA to not in the Biblical sense, but TMI to "that happened a few months later."

Terra

Again, I get that this case is certainly different. I just worry about the path the law may take with this kind of thing. How far do the greedy tendrils of the law grow and grasp?

As for your third point, gotta keep things interesting.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Again, I get that this case is certainly different. I just worry about the path the law may take with this kind of thing. How far do the greedy tendrils of the law grow and grasp?

As for your third point, gotta keep things interesting.

I'll give you that. You did make me chuckle in an otherwise non humorous subject.

Terra

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HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Again, I get that this case is certainly different. I just worry about the path the law may take with this kind of thing. How far do the greedy tendrils of the law grow and grasp?

As for your third point, gotta keep things interesting.

It will be used as precedence, but they've been doing this a long time now. I remember that DNC a few elections back when a protest group - not terrorists, or revolutionaries, but PROTESTERS, had their homes raided, all sorts of things like food confiscated, people arrested - yet they hadn't done anything but plan to protest something. This is not to even mention that protesting in itself is not even illegal.

The fact is also - that if there is no case against someone/something, and they want it, they will build it. It's called false flag and is used to usurp rights. People get scared and will actually scream for them to take their own rights from them.

As far as this guy - I think this one is probably at least a legit crime in progress. The example of hiring someone to kill a spouse is a pretty good one - proof of intent to carry out the crime. Same reason that stalking is now a prosecutable offense. When I was in my early 20's, if someone was following you all over hell and back and sitting and watching you at home, the law couldn't do a damned thing about it until they attacked you. For many women, that was too late. Now stalking is illegal. I have no problem with that kind of evolution of law. Spent one too many nights building my own self defense systems to protest that a stalker has done nothing to warrant arrest.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

It will be used as precedence, but they've been doing this a long time now. I remember that DNC a few elections back when a protest group - not terrorists, or revolutionaries, but PROTESTERS, had their homes raided, all sorts of things like food confiscated, people arrested - yet they hadn't done anything but plan to protest something. This is not to even mention that protesting in itself is not even illegal.

Yeah, you have a point about the false flags. The DC shooter apparently suddenly had the typical brain washing done on him. The only question is was he RIGHT about the 3 people doing it, or did something ELSE do it?

Regarding protesting, the first amendment SPECIFICALLY says it is a RIGHT and specifically says for REDRESS of GOVERNMENT! To put it in legal terms, it is ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL for ANYONE in government to even CLAIM standing! You must have standing to go to court or start any police action.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Thought crime.

Coming soon to a government near you.

Well, THIS was more than mere thought.

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Thought crime.

Coming soon to a government near you.

Ken; I respect that sentiment, and usually would be there with you on this.

But this guy went way beyond the "Thinking about it" stage. He was actively looking for help to actually capture a child. He had all the "equipment" he would need. He was invested.

He was actively taking steps to commit a horrible crime. He was doing far more than just fantasizing about this.

Had he just had child porn, and talked about the acts, and built all this stuff...I would still have said...He didn't commit a crime, so he isn't guilty.

I see it like a man who wants his wife murdered. So he reads books on murder, watches TV shows about murder, buys a gun, writes out how he would do it....to me, he still isn't guilty of a crime .
But hiring a killer to kill your wife? That's serious intent. And this "Wannabe child killer" crossed that line with actively seeking help to arrange for a kidnapping.

You guys should read the post. It's more than planning.

And this is maybe the first instance I've seen where I thought someone was guilty before actually committing the crime. The public just needed to be protected.

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scubasteve-cr

11 years ago

"UK man gets 27 years for plan to rape, eat & kill children"

I hope the man planned to kill them first before he ate them.

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UK man gets 27 years for plan to rape, eat & kill children

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