Toothpaste Without Fluride, the Good, Bad and Ugly!

11 years ago

Let me start by saying I've had dentures for almost 20 years so tooth paste with or without Fluoride doesn't effect me one way or the other

I am strongly opposed to Fluoride in our water.
My position has always been if you want fluoride there are already plenty of sources out there for it, one being tooth paste.
The problem with fluoride is the effects aren't immediate.
Studies have shown that prolonged use can cause mottling or dental fluorosis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_fluorosis
So myself if given a choice would use a tooth paste without fluoride in it. Brushing regularly and flossing are in my opinion more important and better for your teeth, and have less risk of causing problems then using a tooth paste with fluoride in it.
But they are your teeth and your decision.

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Life: Nature's way of keeping meat fresh
Getting old ain't for sissy's
As you are I was, as I am you will be
You can't fix stupid, but you can always out smart it.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8573295].message }}

Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Hi, just read about Fluoride in toothpaste and how it could make teeth brittle over time, so Dentists can make a buck?

The irony of it: I think dentists stand to make a whole lot more bucks, if you use fluoride-free toothpaste.

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Has anyone switched to Fluoride free toothpaste?

I've switched to higher-fluoride toothpaste.

Originally Posted by tagiscom

And if so, what has been the outcome?

For me, very beneficial, but that's only anecdotal and means nothing, and I don't pretend otherwise.

What matters when you're making a decision like this isn't what 10 or 20 people tell you in a forum, especially if they're mouthy chicks like me who have no qualifications at all on the subject, but strong opinions (that's the very worst and least reliable combination you can have! ): it's what the objective, collective outcomes have been when carefully measured for decades over 6-figure and 7-figure populations.

If you're thinking of changing what you do, in the light of information you learn on this subject, all I can advise you is to make very sure that the information you take into account comes from people who have the appropriate qualifications and experience to offer it. And that certainly doesn't include me!

And good luck - anything that can save a buck on dentists' bills has my wholehearted support because I'm shocked and appalled by what they charge.

Originally Posted by ThomM

I am strongly opposed to Fluoride in our water.

That's a very different issue, I think?
- [ 2 ] Thanks
- 2 replies
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8573420].message }}
- ThomM 11 years ago
  
  That's a very different issue, I think?
  
  It is
  But many people here already know I'm strongly opposed to Fluoride in our water. I figured if I put it out there first people wouldn't think I had a hidden agenda
  It also explains why I said there are other sources of fluoride to choose from, like tooth paste.
  Seeing how Shane was asking about Fluoride I figured it was relevant.
  By the way, if fluoride is so great why is there a dental condition named after it.
  ALso you may want to be cautious about using a larger dose of it in your tooth paste.
  Biological mechanisms of denta... [Community Dent Oral Epidemiol. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI
  
  [ 1 ] Thanks
  
  Signature
  
  Life: Nature's way of keeping meat fresh
  Getting old ain't for sissy's
  As you are I was, as I am you will be
  You can't fix stupid, but you can always out smart it.
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8573695].message }}
- Claude Whitacre 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  I've switched to higher-fluoride toothpaste.
  
  I have all my teeth. I brush with a fluoride toothpaste. And like you said, it's all anecdotal..and meaningless.
  
  [ 1 ] Thanks
  
  Signature
  One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr
  
  What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8573783].message }}

BambiFox

11 years ago

I have beautiful, fluoride enhanced teeth....

What is an IQ...?

Bambi
[yes, it is my real name]

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Has anyone switched to Fluoride free toothpaste? - - - -

Or have you become smarter, since apparently Fluoride intake reduces IQ!

Shane

Thanks

Signature

â€œAll truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; Third, it is accepted as self-evident.â€
― Arthur Schopenhauer

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8573739].message }}

HeySal

11 years ago

As far as I'm concerned - anything that gives a warning right on the label that it is hazardous if swallowed isn't going into my mouth. Kids die every year because they ate the stuff (about as bad as eating electric dishwasher soap).

I don't care WHAT the element is in the toothpaste that results in the warning that it's dangerous if swallowed, but that's enough to me. I'm astounded that people will put something in their mouth that is labeled poisonous if swallowed.

Baking soda. Tastes like hell but does a great job. Also swish for several minutes with salt water to get rid of stains. If you can't handle the flavor..........mashed strawberries are excellent whiteners to brush with.

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8573943].message }}

Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Baking soda. Tastes like hell but does a great job. Also swish for several minutes with salt water to get rid of stains. If you can't handle the flavor..........mashed strawberries are excellent whiteners to brush with.

Sal; I won't put anything in my mouth that you can use to get rid of stains.
And I won't use something that tastes so bad that saltwater is a preferred flavor.

I'm joking. I use Baking Soda toothpaste. But only because I can complain about the taste. A good hour of bitching makes it all worthwhile.

Mashed Strawberries? I won't put anything in my mouth that you have to kill first by mashing.

I has spoken. :rolleyes:

Thanks

Signature

One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr

What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8574243].message }}

laurencewins

11 years ago

No teeth means no need to worry.....but I do wonder why no teeth. Go with your gut feeling on this one or do your research. But I do agree with Sal...why put more poison in your body than you have to?

Thanks

Signature

Cheers, Laurence.
Writer/Editor/Proofreader.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8574028].message }}

thunderbird

11 years ago

Ah, I missed this thread. Otherwise, I might have gotten Claude's joke.

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Project HERE.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8574261].message }}

pcalvert

11 years ago

In the past, most fluoride-containing toothpaste contained fluoride as sodium monofluorophosphate. Then at some point toothpaste manufacturers started using sodium fluoride. The new toothpaste with sodium fluoride made my teeth hurt, so I found a brand that still contained sodium monofluorophosphate and switched to that. Eventually the manufacturer of that brand of toothpaste also switched to sodium fluoride. At that point it seemed I was stuck because all of the regular toothpaste on store shelves (of those I checked) contained sodium fluoride. That's when I switched to a fluoride-free toothpaste that I found at a health food store. I used the fluoride-free toothpaste for several years before switching back to a fluoride-containing toothpaste. Why did I switch back? To save money -- the fluoride-free toothpaste I was using cost something like five times as much as the cheap toothpaste I am using now.

Phil

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

"If a cat sits on a hot stove, that cat won't sit on a hot stove again.
That cat won't sit on a cold stove either." - Mark Twain

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8574541].message }}

tagiscom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I have all my teeth. I brush with a fluoride toothpaste. And like you said, it's all anecdotal..and meaningless.

How long have you been using Fluoride toothpaste for? LOL!

Originally Posted by HeySal

As far as I'm concerned - anything that gives a warning right on the label that it is hazardous if swallowed isn't going into my mouth. Kids die every year because they ate the stuff (about as bad as eating electric dishwasher soap).

I don't care WHAT the element is in the toothpaste that results in the warning that it's dangerous if swallowed, but that's enough to me. I'm astounded that people will put something in their mouth that is labeled poisonous if swallowed.

Baking soda. Tastes like hell but does a great job. Also swish for several minutes with salt water to get rid of stains. If you can't handle the flavor..........mashed strawberries are excellent whiteners to brush with.

Yep, the toothpaste l looked at yesterday in a health food store, was about $5, and it is about $3.5 in the main supermarkets.

None of them had Fluoride in them, and most had baking soda, as well as other chemicals.

How long have you been using an alternative to toothpaste for Sal, and what differences have you noticed?

Good, bad, etc?

Originally Posted by pcalvert

In the past, most fluoride-containing toothpaste contained fluoride as sodium monofluorophosphate. Then at some point toothpaste manufacturers started using sodium fluoride. The new toothpaste with sodium fluoride made my teeth hurt, so I found a brand that still contained sodium monofluorophosphate and switched to that. Eventually the manufacturer of that brand of toothpaste also switched to sodium fluoride. At that point it seemed I was stuck because all of the regular toothpaste on store shelves (of those I checked) contained sodium fluoride. That's when I switched to a fluoride-free toothpaste that I found at a health food store. I used the fluoride-free toothpaste for several years before switching back to a fluoride-containing toothpaste. Why did I switch back? To save money -- the fluoride-free toothpaste I was using cost something like five times as much as the cheap toothpaste I am using now.

Phil

As stated above at least in AU, there isn't a huge difference in price.

I want to ask you the same question as Sal, what were the positives, etc of switching the Fluride free toothpaste??? :confused:

Thanks for all the feedback guys, keep it coming!

Shane

[ 1 ] Thanks
3 replies

Signature

Archimedes Forum, Sign up l won't bite

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8574590].message }}

Claude Whitacre 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

How long have you been using Fluoride toothpaste for? LOL!

Shane; Let me think...I've had teeth most of my life...and I brush every day......Hmmmm......Does fluoride affect memory? I forget.
- [ 1 ] Thanks
- 1 reply
Signature
One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr

What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8574749].message }}
- tagiscom 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre
  
  Shane; Let me think...I've had teeth most of my life...and I brush every day......Hmmmm......Does fluoride affect memory? I forget.
  
  No, just IQ!
  
  Evil computers affect memory! :rolleyes:
  
  They may also disorientate you, but l know where l am and what l am doing, although this kitten thread is getting a bit weird!!!!
  
  S......something, something! :p
  
  [ 1 ] Thanks
  
  Signature
  Archimedes Forum, Sign up l won't bite
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8574828].message }}

HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

How long have you been using an alternative to toothpaste for Sal, and what differences have you noticed?

Good, bad, etc?

Shane

I don't use toothpaste. I use baking soda and peroxide - salt water - and, when I have them, strawberries.........I eat a lot of bananas so when I want to whiten sometimes I use the inside of the banana peels for that, too - whitens almost as well as strawberries and peroxide.

Frankly - I think it's stupid to spend money on "products" when a natural will do the trick for almost nothing. I'm cheap like that. I clean with salt, vinegar, and the like, too. There are few chemicals in my environment, so my living space is less hazardous to my health and I spend less money than anyone I know, yet have a much cleaner, safer environment.

I just don't get springing major bucks for what you can do better and safer for almost nothing. :confused: It just defies logic.

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8575566].message }}

Richard Van

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I just don't get springing major bucks for what you can do better and safer for almost nothing. :confused: It just defies logic.

It certainly does defy logic.

However, I'd be interested to know how many people actually knew mashed strawberries whiten teeth.

Point being, if you don't know the strawberry remedy, it is in fact very logical to buy tooth whitening tooth paste, especially if that's all you knew about tooth whitening.

Thanks
2 replies

Signature

Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8575730].message }}

tagiscom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

It certainly does defy logic.

However, I'd be interested to know how many people actually knew mashed strawberries whiten teeth.

Point being, if you don't know the strawberry remedy, it is in fact very logical to buy tooth whitening tooth paste, especially if that's all you knew about tooth whitening.

Yep, but l am going to try the banana one, didn't know that one. Thanks Sal!

Shane

Thanks

Signature

Archimedes Forum, Sign up l won't bite

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8576242].message }}

HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

It certainly does defy logic.

However, I'd be interested to know how many people actually knew mashed strawberries whiten teeth.

Point being, if you don't know the strawberry remedy, it is in fact very logical to buy tooth whitening tooth paste, especially if that's all you knew about tooth whitening.

Sure....um.........as long as the label doesn't tell you that it's dangerous if swallowed.

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8578098].message }}

Richard Van 11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Sure....um.........as long as the label doesn't tell you that it's dangerous if swallowed.

Yes, good point.

I'm off to buy some strawberries.
- Thanks
Signature

Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8581823].message }}

pcalvert 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

As stated above at least in AU, there isn't a huge difference in price.

I pay 85 cents for a 6 oz. (170 g) tube of toothpaste.

Originally Posted by tagiscom

I want to ask you the same question as Sal, what were the positives, etc of switching the Fluride free toothpaste??? :confused:

The fluoride-free toothpaste didn't make my teeth hurt. BTW, I'm planning to switch back to a fluoride-free toothpaste soon. Now that I've thought about it some more, the pain I experienced when I started using toothpaste containing sodium fluoride may have been a clue that sodium fluoride is not a good thing to be putting on one's teeth.

Phil
- [ 2 ] Thanks
Signature

"If a cat sits on a hot stove, that cat won't sit on a hot stove again.
That cat won't sit on a cold stove either." - Mark Twain
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8580455].message }}

nancy5677

11 years ago

It can be dangerous, I like buy my products in Natural Food stores.

[ 1 ] Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8578133].message }}

HeySal

11 years ago

Ya know (to change the subject just a tad), people don't watch cleaning products, either - and a LOT of those say to see a physician or call a poison center immediately if swallowed. Think about it. Your skin is porous and absorbs those poisons, and it can be more dangerous than drinking it because it doesn't go through the body's normal detox centers. Then you put your hands in it and spread it around your house where you breathe, walk, sit in it, etc. I never buy a dish soap that says anything but "if swallowed drink a glass of water to dilute" - which means full strength it's going to make you vomit or give you diarrhea, but it's not going to completely hurt you. If you've never looked at the labels of your cleaning products, you have no idea what kind of poison you're wallowing in. Not sure about other countries, but in the US they put some pretty nightmarish stuff out on the shelves. Always best to read labels - even if it's just the warning label.

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8581878].message }}

ThomM

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Ya know (to change the subject just a tad), people don't watch cleaning products, either - and a LOT of those say to see a physician or call a poison center immediately if swallowed. Think about it. Your skin is porous and absorbs those poisons, and it can be more dangerous than drinking it because it doesn't go through the body's normal detox centers. Then you put your hands in it and spread it around your house where you breathe, walk, sit in it, etc. I never buy a dish soap that says anything but "if swallowed drink a glass of water to dilute" - which means full strength it's going to make you vomit or give you diarrhea, but it's not going to completely hurt you. If you've never looked at the labels of your cleaning products, you have no idea what kind of poison you're wallowing in. Not sure about other countries, but in the US they put some pretty nightmarish stuff out on the shelves. Always best to read labels - even if it's just the warning label.

I've been using white vinegar and water for house cleaning. Only problem is it's made with grains

Still I think it's a lot safer then using the commercial cleaners.

Thanks
2 replies

Signature

Life: Nature's way of keeping meat fresh
Getting old ain't for sissy's
As you are I was, as I am you will be
You can't fix stupid, but you can always out smart it.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8581948].message }}

Richard Van

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

I've been using white vinegar and water for house cleaning. Only problem is it's made with grains

Still I think it's a lot safer then using the commercial cleaners.

I have to admit, vinegar is excellent for cleaning windows and you can use old newspapers to wipe it off, and it doesn't smear or lose any of the ink from the paper.

I tried the strawberry method too Sal and despite my reservations that I'd get a myriad of strawberry pips lodged in between my teeth, there were none whatsoever and I did notice a difference.

Now I just need to grow my own strawberries to prevent bankruptcy.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8583617].message }}

HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

I have to admit, vinegar is excellent for cleaning windows and you can use old newspapers to wipe it off, and it doesn't smear or lose any of the ink from the paper.

I tried the strawberry method too Sal and despite my reservations that I'd get a myriad of strawberry pips lodged in between my teeth, there were none whatsoever and I did notice a difference.

Now I just need to grow my own strawberries to prevent bankruptcy.

Really tasty toothpaste, isn't it? When I have guests visiting from elsewhere I always put out a little personal size bowl of mashed berries and a toothbrush in the bathroom in the morning for them with a note so they know to brush with it. It seems to go over very well.

Thanks

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8589108].message }}

HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

I've been using white vinegar and water for house cleaning. Only problem is it's made with grains

Still I think it's a lot safer then using the commercial cleaners.

I don't use that much vinegar. I use salt water mostly.

I don't know though - white vinegar is distilled. I wonder what is left after the distilling process. Never really saw any info on that one. I know if I'm going to ingest vinegar - it's always Braggs Organic. So not really sure what to say to you about this one.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8589027].message }}

ThomM

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

I have to admit, vinegar is excellent for cleaning windows and you can use old newspapers to wipe it off, and it doesn't smear or lose any of the ink from the paper.

I tried the strawberry method too Sal and despite my reservations that I'd get a myriad of strawberry pips lodged in between my teeth, there were none whatsoever and I did notice a difference.

Now I just need to grow my own strawberries to prevent bankruptcy.

I use a squeegee and old rag for the windows. I have a spray bottle with the vinegar and water in it and use it on pretty much everything but the carpet.

Originally Posted by HeySal

I don't use that much vinegar. I use salt water mostly.

I don't know though - white vinegar is distilled. I wonder what is left after the distilling process. Never really saw any info on that one. I know if I'm going to ingest vinegar - it's always Braggs Organic. So not really sure what to say to you about this one.

The only vinegar that goes in my body is Braggs organic apple cider vinegar

I'm not sure about whats left in the distilled white vinegar either.
I have to assume it's made with gmo corn though.
Still being distilled and diluted I figure it's safer then commercial products and it does a good job.
If they had organic white vinegar in the store made with non-gmo corn I would defiantly buy that instead.

[ 2 ] Thanks

Signature

Life: Nature's way of keeping meat fresh
Getting old ain't for sissy's
As you are I was, as I am you will be
You can't fix stupid, but you can always out smart it.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8589053].message }}

goindeep

11 years ago

I have been stuck on this debate for years.

I think im going to switch for myself and monitor the outcome before I switch for my household.

Currently we use fluoridated water and toothpaste.

The interesting thing is that my daughter is 2 and a half and so we have never given her toothpaste as we feel its not necessary at her age until she can understand not to swallow toothpaste but she has perfect teeth after only brushing wit tap water.

Then again that has fluoride in it. Lol.

Does anyone know where to buy a fluoride filter for a fridge in Melbourne or online?

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Weâ€™re Building the New Internet

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8589831].message }}

Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago

I know nothing about this and hadn't heard of it before. Educate me, please, Sal ... my first thought, reading what's above a few days ago, and I'm still thinking it now, re-reading this, is "Aren't strawberries full of sugar?" Ok, I know more of it will be fructose than either sucrose or glucose (or, at least, I'm guessing it is?), but it's still sugar, isn't it? And if strawberries are whitening teeth (which I don't doubt), it's presumably because of their acid content? But isn't rubbing that on also potentially damaging to the enamel, in the long term? :confused:
- Thanks
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8591841].message }}

HeySal

11 years ago

Yes, strawberries contain fructose - it's natural fructose and not proecessed into franken-sugar. I eat strawberries - a lot of them, so it doesn't bother me to brush my teeth with them at all. If swallowed - which is always if they have buckwheat biscuits with strawberry yogurt under them, LOL, you do not have to call a physician.

As far as abrasive - no more so than sodium fluoride, if as much. (Note - I'm not sure of the abrasiveness of NATURAL fluoride - but it's SODIUM fluoride that goes into shelf products in the US). Baking soda and salt are a tad abrasive, too. Frankly - teeth are calcium - there isn't much that isn't abrasive to calcium. It's not all that hard a mineral.

[ 1 ] Thanks

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8592483].message }}

bizgrower

11 years ago

I've never been a fan of fluoride since I read that
it is a by-product of manufacturing aluminum.

Lexy,
I'd guess that the sugar content in strawberries
would be rinsed away faster than doing damage.
Ditto for the slight acidity. Just a guess and I
wanted to date a dentist, but am not one myself.
Gotta be better than stuff with warning labels though.

Not to sidetrack the thread, but I'd like to know
what Sal or anyone else uses for safe, natural shampoo.

Dan
President and Member of P.E.T.S.
(People for the Ethical Treatment of Strawberries)

Thanks
2 replies

Signature

"If you think you're the smartest person in the room, then you're probably in the wrong room."

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8592636].message }}

ThomM

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

I've never been a fan of fluoride since I read that
it is a by-product of manufacturing aluminum.

Lexy,
I'd guess that the sugar content in strawberries
would be rinsed away faster than doing damage.
Ditto for the slight acidity. Just a guess and I
wanted to date a dentist, but am not one myself.
Gotta be better than stuff with warning labels though.

Not to sidetrack the thread, but I'd like to know
what Sal or anyone else uses for safe, natural shampoo.

Dan
President and Member of P.E.T.S.
(People for the Ethical Treatment of Strawberries)

I use the same liquid soap I use for showering.
Dr. Bronner's Magic Soaps Retail Store: Classic Liquid & Bar Soaps

[ 2 ] Thanks

Signature

Life: Nature's way of keeping meat fresh
Getting old ain't for sissy's
As you are I was, as I am you will be
You can't fix stupid, but you can always out smart it.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8593033].message }}

HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

I've never been a fan of fluoride since I read that
it is a by-product of manufacturing aluminum.

Lexy,
I'd guess that the sugar content in strawberries
would be rinsed away faster than doing damage.
Ditto for the slight acidity. Just a guess and I
wanted to date a dentist, but am not one myself.
Gotta be better than stuff with warning labels though.

Not to sidetrack the thread, but I'd like to know
what Sal or anyone else uses for safe, natural shampoo.

Dan
President and Member of P.E.T.S.
(People for the Ethical Treatment of Strawberries)

LOL - A lot of times I get it from Grain and feed stores - shampoo for horses. It seems easier to find with no toxins than human shampoo. I don't have a brand. I go see what's on sale and then read the label. If it's got no toxic crap, I buy it. If my hair gives me problems I give myself my weekly/semi-weekly conditioner that I make to recondition it or just rub some coconut oil through it. I'm not fussy about it as long as it's not toxic because I don't have problems with it. I make the weekly/semi-weekly conditioner and use it if my hair starts getting dry or limp. But shampoo - just look for the toxins and if they aren't there, it's like soap - wash with it. Soap isn't supposed to condition, it's supposed to clean.

[ 1 ] Thanks

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8593474].message }}

Toothpaste Without Fluride, the Good, Bad and Ugly!

Trending Topics

Been a while! Any of you Old Timers here?

How much does the rebranding affect CR ?

Are billboards still effective in driving customers?

Boat and Jet Ski Rentals...... Door Hangers Effective?

A Very Strange Internet Problem