Do You Believe In "The After Life"

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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Oh Dear. This will be gone in 3...2...1....
      (Lol.)

      I was hoping we could all be mature enough to have a discussion on the topic however thinking about it maybe it was a bad idea.

      We'll see. : )
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        (Lol.)

        I was hoping we could all be mature enough to have a discussion on the topic however thinking about it maybe it was a bad idea.

        We'll see. : )
        We've tried this sort of question before. It always ends up as a shouting match...and it's really all about religious beliefs. It's impossible to discuss it without bringing religion up.

        Believe me, I've tried.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
          Let's try. :rolleyes:

          Can anyone point to any facts that might support the idea of a post-death existence? Please leave any religious ideas out of your answers.

          Like Micheal Shermer says, "Afterlife? I'm all for it. I just don't see any evidence to support it."

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            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            Let's try. :rolleyes:

            Can anyone point to any facts that might support the idea of a post-death existence? Please leave any religious ideas out of your answers.

            Like Micheal Shermer says, "Afterlife? I'm all for it. I just don't see any evidence to support it."

            Joe Mobley
            Yeah those dead bodies just aren't very talkative
            An after life is one of those things that just can't be proved (or disproved) until after you die.
            I've always been content on just finding out after I leave this life.
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            • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              Yeah those dead bodies just aren't very talkative
              The b^stards! I hate it when they clam up just when it gets interesting.


              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              An after life is one of those things that just can't be proved (or disproved) until after you die.
              I've always been content on just finding out after I leave this life.
              Sounds reasonable. And right now, we don't really have much of an option.

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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            Can anyone point to any facts that might support the idea of a post-death existence? Please leave any religious ideas out of your answers.
            Hi Joe,

            At one point in time people believed the Earth to be flat.

            Just because "science" and "modern thinking" (etc.) hasn't proved something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

            I'm not saying that an After Life exists 100% however there is a lot of anecdotal evidence to support such a belief. My personal opinion is that I do believe in an After Life although I'm not zealous about it. More open-minded than anything else.

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            • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              Hi Joe,

              At one point in time people believed the Earth to be flat.

              Just because "science" and "modern thinking" (etc.) hasn't proved something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
              In your example, the belief was disproved by a little experimenting and learning more about the facts at hand.

              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              I'm not saying that an After Life exists 100% however there is a lot of anecdotal evidence to support such a belief. My personal opinion is that I do believe in an After Life although I'm not zealous about it. More open-minded than anything else.

              : )
              That's perfect as far as I'm concerned. And... you may be correct. I'm just looking for some evidence to support the idea.

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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

                That's perfect as far as I'm concerned. And... you may be correct. I'm just looking for some evidence to support the idea.
                I suppose it depends what you mean by "evidence." There are a lot of testimonies in the book I mentioned. (The Last Frontier.)

                A couple of examples would be people who are clinically "dead" coming back to life and being able to describe everything that was happening in the operating theatre while they were "unconscious."
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            Let's try. :rolleyes:

            Can anyone point to any facts that might support the idea of a post-death existence? Please leave any religious ideas out of your answers.

            Like Micheal Shermer says, "Afterlife? I'm all for it. I just don't see any evidence to support it."

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            Sorry, Joe. I'm with you...but I just don't want to go through this again. You can be the voice of reason this time.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              But there has never been a case where brainwave activity stopped...and the person came back. That's really being dead.
              Hi Claude,

              I'm reading a book at the moment called “The Last Frontier” and, according to the book, there are several instances of people being dead while their “consciousness” is still active.

              In fact one man came “alive” again while in a body bag. So far it's an interesting book.

              I don't take everything at face value just consider some points made by the author.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                Hi Claude,

                I'm reading a book at the moment called "The Last Frontier" and, according to the book, there are several instances of people being dead while their "consciousness" is still active.

                In fact one man cam "alive" again while in a body bag. So far it's an interesting book.

                I don't take everything at face value just consider some points made by the author.
                Jonathan; Heart stopped. His heart stopped. No. There has never been a case where brainwave activity stopped, and the person regained consciousness.

                The heart stopping doesn't mean you are dead. You are dead when the brain stops functioning.

                And...I feel like throwing up now......when you are unconscious...you dream.

                I want the dream to be real too. But it's a dream. By someone who isn't dead.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  I want the dream to be real too. But it's a dream. By someone who isn't dead.
                  I guess we'll never know. : )

                  Until I die, I'll remain open-minded and consider other point's of view.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Jonathan; Do you know how painful that is to a rational mind?
              Is there any extent to which the rational mind can be at peace with a notion it can't quite comprehend?

              The human mind is only considered highly intellectual based on a survey of its animal peers. However, we have no clear barometer for just how "intellectual" we truly are. Could it be possible that humans simply do not have the cognitive power to comprehend something that could be as complex as an afterlife?

              Personally, I'm on the fence. I'm not a religious man, but I'm not ready to discount the possibility of some things I can't prove in a lab.


              Also, if we can accept "no measurable brain waves" and her doctor stating, ""There were really no signs she had neurological functions" as synonymous with "brainwave activity stopped," I present Claude this: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4923465

              Just for giggles.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                Is there any extent to which the rational mind can be at peace with a notion it can't quite comprehend?

                The human mind is only considered highly intellectual based on a survey of its animal peers. However, we have no clear barometer for just how "intellectual" we truly are. Could it be possible that humans simply do not have the cognitive power to comprehend something that could be as complex as an afterlife?

                Personally, I'm on the fence. I'm not a religious man, but I'm not ready to discount the possibility of some things I can't prove in a lab.
                My friend. This is an endless argument down a bottomless black pit. I respectfully stop now.
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                • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  My friend. This is an endless argument down a bottomless black pit. I respectfully stop now.
                  Nope. Not arguing with you, Claude. I, personally, don't even care about your insights into the topic at hand. I'm more interested in your response to my questions in a generic sense. Replace "afterlife" with "X."

                  I consider myself a "rational person." However, I've always thought the concept that everything must be proven to a rational person seems, well, a tad arrogant -- in a broad sense, not aiming at you or Joe directly. The assumption under such a pretense is that a "rational person" has the cognitive ability to understand anything presented before him. I have trouble with the assumption. Maybe there are things that we as humans -- all humans -- simply do not have the intellectual prowess to grasp.

                  That "maybe" is why I'm not so ready to discount some things that I can't see, touch or feel.

                  Feel free to take this to PM if you'd like or not respond at all. I'm intrigued by your perspective is all. I have no dog in any fight.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                    Nope. Not arguing with you, Claude. I, personally, don't even care about your insights into the topic at hand. I'm more interested in your response to my questions in a generic sense. Replace "afterlife" with "X."

                    I consider myself a "rational person." However, I've always thought the concept that everything must be proven to a rational person seems, well, a tad arrogant -- in a broad sense, not aiming at you or Joe directly. The assumption under such a pretense is that a "rational person" has the cognitive ability to understand anything presented before him. I have trouble with the assumption. Maybe there are things that we as humans -- all humans -- simply do not have the intellectual prowess to grasp.

                    That "maybe" is why I'm not so ready to discount some things that I can't see, touch or feel.

                    Feel free to take this to PM if you'd like or not respond at all. I'm intrigued by your perspective is all. I have no dog in any fight.
                    Dan; I'd love to discuss it at length with you over a beer, or dinner. Just not here.
                    I agree with everything you just said. You may think we disagree, but we don't. In fact, we probably agree with each other on the logic involved. And I think it would be a fun discussion.

                    But not here.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      Dan; I'd love to discuss it at length with you over a beer, or dinner. Just not here.
                      I agree with everything you just said. You may think we disagree, but we don't. In fact, we probably agree with each other on the logic involved. And I think it would be a fun discussion.

                      But not here.
                      I don't actually think we disagree and that certainly isn't the point of my questions. I'm more interested in the thought process than the actual outcome. But, I agree - not here.

                      I'll take that beer, but I thought you weren't a drinking man.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                        I don't actually think we disagree and that certainly isn't the point of my questions. I'm more interested in the thought process than the actual outcome. But, I agree - not here.

                        I'll take that beer, but I thought you weren't a drinking man.
                        Dan; I'd love to buy you a beer. Share a pizza. Maybe a Sam Adams for me.

                        Yeah, the thought process is the interesting part. I mean both of ours.
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            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            Please leave any religious ideas out of your answers.
            That's like saying you'd like to talk about the weather, but please leave any mention of the sun, clouds, rain, or wind out of the discussion.

            And I'm not saying that just because it's my personal opinion... I'm saying it because most people associate the sun, clouds, rain, and wind with the word "weather". Know what I mean?

            So I'm with Claude... as much as it would make for an interesting discussion here, I don't believe it's possible to discuss the "afterlife" without also discussing religion, simply because of the way that most people (but of course not all) associate those two concepts.
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            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            Let's try. :rolleyes:

            Can anyone point to any facts that might support the idea of a post-death existence? Please leave any religious ideas out of your answers.

            Like Micheal Shermer says, "Afterlife? I'm all for it. I just don't see any evidence to support it."

            Joe Mobley
            There are number of books written by doctors who were not religious, but had many patients who died and then they came back from the death experience and tell of what they saw, and the scientific approach to this subject that they placed upon it would make a believer out of you.

            I know, I read the books and when I read them I could not help but think that reading these gave the closest thing to objective evidence that one could find since they come out of the actual experience of doctors who were not trying to promote a particular religious point of view.
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              Originally Posted by KingArthur View Post

              There are number of books written by doctors who were not religious, but had many patients who died and then they came back from the death experience and tell of what they saw, and the scientific approach to this subject that they placed upon it would make a believer out of you.

              I know, I read the books and when I read them I could not help but think that reading these gave the closest thing to objective evidence that one could find since they come out of the actual experience of doctors who were not trying to promote a particular religious point of view.
              Well, first off, it depends on how you approach this theory because you have to decide whether or not you're attempting to give a somewhat reasonable explanation based upon a religion's principles.

              People who say that they had "visions" during their short period of time between life and coming back to it could probably be having some sort of an illusination which is most times described perfectly as comma or panic induced. But again, that theory demands a solely scientific point of view.
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    Yes, I believe there is life after death.
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      I am convinced there is for reasons I will not bore you with. I am happy in my knowledge although I cannot prove it to others.
      Someone else is probably just as convinced otherwise.
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        Originally Posted by Tim_Carter View Post

        I definitely do because of some experiences I have had. No question in my mind. Nothing to do with religion at all. That is all I am going to say on this matter.
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        I am convinced there is for reasons I will not bore you with. I am happy in my knowledge although I cannot prove it to others.
        Someone else is probably just as convinced otherwise.
        Yep, me too, ask me 10 years ago, l would have said, l believe, but don't have 100% percent proof.

        Ask me now because of certain experiences l have had, that have nothing to do with drugs or delusional family history's, or swamp gas, etc and it will be a resounding, YES! :p


        Like people above l won't go into details as all it will accomplish is convince open minded people, and entertain believers, and most importantly p*** off the skeptics so much they will go on a rampage either here or on another thread!


        I WF doesn't need this sort of crap, just intelligent, thought provoking discussions!


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    I think there is definitely something beyond planet Earth that goes so far beyond life as we know it that we couldn't even comprehend it. It would be like trying to explain to your dog how your computer works.
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      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      I think there is definitely something beyond planet Earth that goes so far beyond life as we know it that we couldn't even comprehend it. It would be like trying to explain to your dog how your computer works.
      Interesting point. : )
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    I'm doing things backward here - posting before I read the thread. That's because I have very specific ideas about this one, so I'm just giving my answer. Then I want to see what everyone else's beliefs on the issue are.

    While I am not religious, I believe there is no other way it can be but to have an afterlife. Quantum physics/mechanics shows that energy can be transformed, but not destroyed. I don't think there's any logic in the idea that if something exists that it can become non-existent. Period.

    This belief is what keeps me continually learning - I want a very strong mental energy to leave this planet with because I think it will put me ahead in the next dimension. And yeah - dogs go, too.
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    Whether you believe in an afterlife or you don't, you can't prove it. If you've made up your mind about it one way or the other, you've made a faith-based decision. And yet people argue, fight, and even kill over an idea they choose to believe but can't prove.

    We're kind of a strange species, aren't we?
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      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      you've made a faith-based decision.
      I would prefer to think that I have made a (lack of) facts based decision.


      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      We're kind of a strange species, aren't we?
      I see, young Obi-Wan, you have mastered the power of the understatement.

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        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        I would prefer to think that I have made a (lack of) facts based decision.
        A rose by any other name...

        I see, young Obi-Wan, you have mastered the power of the understatement.
        It's been a long time since I've been called young... I owe you one. :p
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          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          .. I owe you one. :p
          Maybe a SoCo on the rocks. We could join Dan and Claude and solve a few of the worlds problems.

          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Dan; I'd love to buy you a beer. Share a pizza. Maybe a Sam Adams for me.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            Maybe a SoCo on the rocks. We could join Dan and Claude and solve a few of the worlds problems.

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            Joe; I doubt we would solve any problems, but it would sure be a fun conversation.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

              Maybe a SoCo on the rocks. We could join Dan and Claude and solve a few of the worlds problems.
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Joe; I doubt we would solve any problems, but it would sure be a fun conversation.
              Fun and stimulating, and likely thought-provoking for some time after. And who knows, we might even solve some of the worlds problems . . . to our own satisfaction anyway.

              Drinkin' and thinkin' ... that might be what caused a lot of the problems we'd be working on. :p
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Joe; I doubt we would solve any problems, but it would sure be a fun conversation.
              Oh, we'd solve some damn problems. How could a Mastermind group of such pure-as-snow intellect not solve problems?

              Of course, we'd create more and worse problems than we solved. The worst possible outcome is that the meeting is the cataclysmic event that finally pushes Claude into full Super Villain mode.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                Oh, we'd solve some damn problems. How could a Mastermind group of such pure-as-snow intellect not solve problems?

                Of course, we'd create more and worse problems than we solved. The worst possible outcome is that the meeting is the cataclysmic event that finally pushes Claude into full Super Villain mode.
                Dan; You, Dennis, and Joe would be sitting at the table..and as I sat down, you'll say "Claude, thanks for inviting us...but why are we all tied to our chairs?"

                And I'll say "Muuhuuhhaaaha!" Full Super Villain Mode.

                OK, the real reason you guys would be tied to the chairs, is that I don't want to share the pizza. I paid for it, it's mine......

                The main flaw in my plan may be that you'd all pretty much have to agree to let me tie you to chairs. It takes a while, and one of you might have to remind me about knots...Oh, and maybe a local bar isn't the best place to hold people hostage.
                Unless everyone is tied to chairs.....but then...who would serve the beer and make the pizza?

                Man, this sure seems like a lot of work for a damn pizza. OK, I still like the pizza idea, but if you guys want tied to your chairs...you'll have to bring your own rope.

                I kind of suck as a Super Villain.

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                • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  Dan; You, Dennis, and Joe would be sitting at the table..and as I sat down, you'll say "Claude, thanks for inviting us...but why are we all tied to our chairs?"

                  And I'll say "Muuhuuhhaaaha!" Full Super Villain Mode.

                  OK, the real reason you guys would be tied to the chairs, is that I don't want to share the pizza. I paid for it, it's mine......

                  The main flaw in my plan may be that you'd all pretty much have to agree to let me tie you to chairs. It takes a while, and one of you might have to remind me about knots...Oh, and maybe a local bar isn't the best place to hold people hostage.
                  Unless everyone is tied to chairs.....but then...who would serve the beer and make the pizza?

                  Man, this sure seems like a lot of work for a damn pizza. OK, I still like the pizza idea, but if you guys want tied to your chairs...you'll have to bring your own rope.

                  I kind of suck as a Super Villain.

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                  You just just slip something into our drinks that makes us not want to eat.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Dan; You, Dennis, and Joe would be sitting at the table..and as I sat down, you'll say "Claude, thanks for inviting us...but why are we all tied to our chairs?"

                    And I'll say "Muuhuuhhaaaha!" Full Super Villain Mode.

                    OK, the real reason you guys would be tied to the chairs, is that I don't want to share the pizza. I paid for it, it's mine......
                    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                    OR

                    You just just slip something into our drinks that makes us not want to eat.
                    Um ... gotta run guys, thanks for the beer.
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                    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                      It still comes down to faith, doesn't it? In your case, faith in your personal experiences? For someone else, faith in their own thinking, perhaps. Faith in something, but not provable to anyone but yourself.

                      Do you think what I wrote means I'm a skeptic?

                      Yes, you have a point, you need to suspend disbelief, in order to allow or develop psychic abilities!

                      Which in turn will allow you to see stuff, that can be confirmed by others who are into this stuff as much as you, (proves, that you are not imagining what you are seeing).


                      A case in point is a spiritual healer, or metaphysical surgery, (not the BS one with blood in his fake finger crap) but someone who gets assistance from his guides in order to heal someone, (no physical contact takes place).

                      They said before it started that some might see colors around his hands as well as seeing his hands or arms become invisible, by crossing your eyes slightly.


                      I thought, oh yeah, but gave it a try!

                      And l certainly saw what they claimed, watching his hands and arms disappear was the coolest part. But my more skeptical friends who l was with, saw nothing, even though they tried.


                      It does take time, practice and patience to see stuff like this, and mental blocks can hinder progress, or put a lid on it for life!


                      So belief is important, but being open to other possibilities is more so!


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                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                The worst possible outcome is that the meeting is the cataclysmic event that finally pushes Claude into full Super Villain mode.
                Yes and that would mean he could fly across the pond and Kung Fu me.

                Dan (Bizgrower), you see, my fear of Claudes flying ability were not unfounded.
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                  Absolutely do, in fact I have witnessed reincarnation... have you never seen a caterpillar change into a butterfly?
                  Not bad for a self confessed heathen huh.

                  So how do you explain this...



                  By the way I find it very strange how people believe in god so much and yet will not entertain the idea of Aliens. Surely God is an Alien... by definition.
                  You are right Dennis the human species is very strange.
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                • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                  Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                  Yes and that would mean he could fly across the pond and Kung Fu me.

                  Dan (Bizgrower), you see, my fear of Claudes flying ability were not unfounded.
                  Because they'll all be tied to chairs you have nothing to fear.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                    Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                    Because they'll all be tied to chairs you have nothing to fear.
                    Dan, I'm afraid Claude won't be tied to a chair. He's the one doing the tying.

                    ...This is getting weird. Even for The OT.
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                      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                      Dan, I'm afraid Claude won't be tied to a chair. He's the one doing the tying.

                      ...This is getting weird. Even for The OT.
                      Dan; It isn't weird. You have to open your mind to the possibilities. You have to believe it...and then you'll see it. All things are possible to those who don't get fooled by science. Release yourself from the bonds of skeptical inquiry......float like a butterfly...sting like a bee.

                      You may be tied to a chair, but you can still use your psychic abilities to fight me. In fact, I'm using my powers now.....are you reading this? I knew you were!

                      Can you see me standing next to you? No! For I have both the powers of teleportation..and invisibility! And Now I'm back here. Believe it!

                      Are you sitting down? How would I know that!??? Everything I just said must be true. Proof!

                      I can even control your muscles. Right now, I'm forcing your facial muscles to form a smile. Proof!, Proof, I tell you! I have abilities seen and unseen.

                      Fear me everyone. For I am Claude...Eater Of Donuts.

                      And for breakfast, I had two wolverines! Organically raised.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        You may be tied to a chair, but you can still use your psychic abilities to fight me.
                        My psychic abilities are the equivalent of a fart in a hurricane, so you'd surely win the battle.

                        However, I could defeat you simply by sneaking your meds into the pizza dough.

                        Try flying then, Mr. Whitacre. Try. Flying. Then.
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                      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                      Dan, I'm afraid Claude won't be tied to a chair. He's the one doing the tying.

                      ...This is getting weird. Even for The OT.
                      I thought the staff was going to tie everybody. lol

                      Claude can break the third brick, but he can't fly.
                      Certainly not across the pond, anyway.
                      So Richard can relax and run to the pub.

                      This is getting weird.

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                        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                        Dan, I'm afraid Claude won't be tied to a chair. He's the one doing the tying.

                        ...This is getting weird. Even for The OT.
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Dan; It isn't weird. You have to open your mind to the possibilities. You have to believe it...and then you'll see it. All things are possible to those who don't get fooled by science. Release yourself from the bonds of skeptical inquiry......float like a butterfly...sting like a bee.

                        You may be tied to a chair, but you can still use your psychic abilities to fight me. In fact, I'm using my powers now.....are you reading this? I knew you were!

                        Can you see me standing next to you? No! For I have both the powers of teleportation..and invisibility! And Now I'm back here. Believe it!

                        Are you sitting down? How would I know that!??? Everything I just said must be true. Proof!

                        I can even control your muscles. Right now, I'm forcing your facial muscles to form a smile. Proof!, Proof, I tell you! I have abilities seen and unseen.

                        Fear me everyone. For I am Claude...Eater Of Donuts.

                        And for breakfast, I had two wolverines! Organically raised.
                        Yep, this thread is weird and about to get weirder!

                        Knew it, Claude almighty! :rolleyes: Don't let him near any soup!



                        I think that you gals, are in trouble, he, he! :rolleyes:


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                          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                          Yep, this thread is weird and about to get weirder!

                          Knew it, Claude almighty!

                          Ahhh. No wonder he knows everything.
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                            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                            Oh Dan,

                            You are so screwed! Hahahahahahaha!

                            You see:

                            Fact: Wolverines are territorial animals and defend large, gender-exclusive territories. And Since Sal and I own the bridge and are female...you are so screwed!

                            Terra
                            Maybe this kitty can help scare them away, (the wolves that is)? :rolleyes:


                            So the Nyan cat has a deep metaphysical message, knew it! LOL!

                            Keeps wolves at bay! :p


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                              Russian scientist photographs the soul leaving the body at death

                              Those Russian scientists are always coming up with exciting new gadgets:

                              "The timing of astral disembodiment in which the spirit leaves the body has been captured by Russian scientist Konstantin Korotkov, who photographed a person at the moment of his death with a bioelectrographic camera.

                              The image taken using the gas discharge visualization method, an advanced technique of Kirlian photography shows in blue the life force of the person leaving the body gradually.

                              According to Korotkov, navel and head are the parties who first lose their life force (which would be the soul) and the groin and the heart are the last areas where the spirit before surfing the phantasmagoria of the infinite. ..."
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            Maybe a SoCo on the rocks. We could join Dan and Claude and solve a few of the worlds problems.



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            Maybe for you - but I used to bartend. Be sports and make sure nobody else had to listen to the conversation - it's not fun on the other side of those. Trust me on that one.
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    @jodi - lol - I'm betting I'll need to check my pms? I actually wrote my post before I saw yours. LMAO.

    Guys - remember -- we are not solid. Solidity is only an illusion. Everything is energy. Merely energy -solid is an illusion. Science is quite good at explaining brain function. Science has no understanding of, or solid explanation to date, for consciousness. It would seem to me, therefore, that it is this life that is more illusory than our afterlife.

    You are, of course, free do disagree with me - as pointed out before..........if asked to prove my position....um..........I got nothin'.
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      Thanks for the contribution HeySal.

      There's definitely more to this World and Universe that we don't fully understand. Believing in The After Life (etc.) has been beneficial for me too. : )
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    Yes, this is the after life.
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    When the next person, whom is close to me, is ready to leave this place, I plan on asking him to ring the doorbell 3 times at a prearranged time.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      @Claude, I have a perfect answer for you to give...

      Jonathan: Do you believe in the after life?

      Claude: Yes, the after life is called death. :p

      As for me, my simple answer without giving reasons, although my answer is based both on science and experience, is a loud and resounding yes. Yes I do.

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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Yeah those dead bodies just aren't very talkative
        An after life is one of those things that just can't be proved (or disproved) until after you die.
        I've always been content on just finding out after I leave this life.
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Whether you believe in an afterlife or you don't, you can't prove it. If you've made up your mind about it one way or the other, you've made a faith-based decision. And yet people argue, fight, and even kill over an idea they choose to believe but can't prove.

        We're kind of a strange species, aren't we?

        Groan, l was going to leave this along, because l don't want to go down the, yes it is, no it isn't path.

        And stating personal experiences, (which l don't want to say here) and the conversation ending up with the, l either saw what l saw, or l am seriously deranged!

        Or clobbering a skeptic senseless, trying to prove there is something there! :rolleyes:


        The bottom line is, higher dimensions can be proven, but only on a personal level, and only if the person is open minded enough about the subject, and is prepared to develop his or her psychic abilities.


        And if they believe that it is all nonsense, take someone who has had first hand experience with all this sort of stuff, seriously!

        That is what it all boils down to, that either people who have had experiences of loved ones, paying them a visit for example, are insane, or they really did see what they saw!

        Which for them and anyone who believes them that the afterlife is as real as this one!


        But unfortunately if we discuss this, it will go down the, this book on "Why we imagine things" or "why strong emotional events trigger delusional paranoia", explains this, blah, blah.


        Doesn't explain why some people who are calm and relaxed, with no health issues, have paranormal experiences, that cannot be explained away. Including scientists!


        So for me it isn't a case of do l believe or not, l know that it exists, but l don't want to get burned at the stake or labelled a heretic, for going into the proof l have witnessed!


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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Groan, l was going to leave this along, because l don't want to go down the, yes it is, no it isn't path.

          And stating personal experiences, (which l don't want to say here) and the conversation ending up with the, l either saw what l saw, or l am seriously deranged!

          Or clobbering a skeptic senseless, trying to prove there is something there!
          It still comes down to faith, doesn't it? In your case, faith in your personal experiences? For someone else, faith in their own thinking, perhaps. Faith in something, but not provable to anyone but yourself.

          Do you think what I wrote means I'm a skeptic?
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        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        As for me, my simple answer without giving reasons although my answer is based both on science and experience is a loud and resounding yes. Yes I do.
        I thought you would Terra. : )

        ...

        Thanks for keeping it civilized and not brining religion into it everyone.
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    Dogs, yes. Humans - maybe, maybe not.
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    If dogs go to the afterlife, do armadillos and squirrels get to go as well?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      If dogs go to the afterlife, do armadillos and squirrels get to go as well?
      Every animal that has been loved gets to cross the Rainbow Bridge. Well, except wolverines. They're evil and carry numerous diseases.
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        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        Every animal that has been loved gets to cross the Rainbow Bridge. Well, expect wolverines. They're evil and carry numerous diseases.
        Awe, damn. And you were soooooooooo innocent and hopeful. Got to let you down so I'll do it fast.

        Wolverines own the Rainbow Bridge.

        Sweet dreams, Danny boy.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          Every animal that has been loved gets to cross the Rainbow Bridge. Well, expect wolverines. They're evil and carry numerous diseases.
          Oh Dan,

          You are so screwed! Hahahahahahaha!

          You see:

          Fact: Wolverines are territorial animals and defend large, gender-exclusive territories. And Since Sal and I own the bridge and are female...you are so screwed!

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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Awe, damn. And you were soooooooooo innocent and hopeful. Got to let you down so I'll do it fast.

            Wolverines own the Rainbow Bridge.

            Sweet dreams, Danny boy.
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Oh Dan,

            You are so screwed! Hahahahahahaha!

            You see:

            Fact: Wolverines are territorial animals and defend large, gender-exclusive territories. And Since Sal and I own the bridge and are female...you are so screwed!

            Terra
            Oh, you ladies are so cute in your naivety. You truly don't know, do you? Wolverines, the truly evil creatures they are, are the guardians of the Hades Bridge over the River Styx.

            Did you know that, in Ohio, it's a Thanksgiving tradition to feast on Wolverines, or Skunk Bears as they should be known? It actually dates back to the Pagan ritual of sending them off to the afterlife to guard the Hades Bridge. True story.
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              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              Oh, you ladies are so cute in your naivety. You truly don't know, do you? Wolverines, the truly evil creatures they are, are the guardians of the Hades Bridge over the River Styx.

              Did you know that, in Ohio, it's a Thanksgiving tradition to feast on Wolverines, or Skunk Bears as they should be known? It actually dates back to the Pagan ritual of sending them off to the afterlife to guard the Hades Bridge. True story.
              Nobody said the Rainbow bridge was heaven, dude. It's where dogs stay temporarily until their owners catch up with them -- you will hook up with your dog there - but you've got to have permits to get over the bridge.

              I have made friends with several wolverines - both from U of M and from the desert areas of Idaho. Both love bacon. The wolverines in the Idaho desert can be gentled. The ones from U of M cannot.
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              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              Oh, you ladies are so cute in your naivety. You truly don't know, do you? Wolverines, the truly evil creatures they are, are the guardians of the Hades Bridge over the River Styx.

              Did you know that, in Ohio, it's a Thanksgiving tradition to feast on Wolverines, or Skunk Bears as they should be known? It actually dates back to the Pagan ritual of sending them off to the afterlife to guard the Hades Bridge. True story.
              We may be cute, you'll get no argument there, however, wolverines are too intelligent, social and vicious for anyone from Ohio to catch or trap them. This only means one thing...

              In Ohio, people eat rotting cadavers that expired from natural causes for Thanksgiving dinner. Ewwwww!

              Who's smelly now?

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                Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                Nobody said the Rainbow bridge was heaven, dude.
                You're absolutely correct. Nobody said that.

                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                We may be cute, you'll get no argument there, however, wolverines are too intelligent, social and vicious for anyone from Ohio to catch or trap them. This only means one thing...

                In Ohio, people eat rotting cadavers that expired from natural causes for Thanksgiving dinner. Ewwwww!

                Who's smelly now?

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                I've give you cute. Everything else is false. Wolverines are destroyed year in and year out by... Ohio nuts.
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                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  I've give you cute. Everything else is false. Wolverines are destroyed year in and year out by... Ohio nuts.
                  Completely false! That's just nuts!

                  Fact: Wolverines eat birds, beavers, mice, marmots, porcupines, ground squirrels, berries, nuts and just about anything else they can catch or steal.

                  Except for one Wolverine, HeySal, who is allergic but she is way too intelligent to go anywhere near nuts. Especially Ohio nuts!

                  Try again.
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                    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                    Completely false! That's just nuts!

                    Fact: Wolverines eat birds, beavers, mice, marmots, porcupines, ground squirrels, berries, nuts and just about anything else they can catch or steal.

                    Except for one Wolverine, HeySal, who is allergic but she is way too intelligent to go anywhere near nuts. Especially Ohio nuts!

                    Try again.
                    Destruction by Nut:

                    Date Winner Score
                    11/24/2001 OSU 26-20
                    11/23/2002 OSU 14-9
                    11/22/2003 UM 35-21
                    11/20/2004 OSU 37-21
                    11/19/2005 OSU 25-21
                    11/18/2006 OSU 42-39
                    11/17/2007 OSU 14-3
                    11/22/2008 OSU 42-7
                    11/21/2009 OSU 21-10
                    11/27/2010 OSU 37-7
                    11/26/2011 UM 40-34
                    11/22/2012 OSU 26-21

                    Scoreboard, ladies.




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    I'm wrong. Richard may be in trouble.
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      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      I'm wrong. Richard may be in trouble.
      The thing with Mr. Van is, I think he's always in some form of trouble.
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    Not sure about "after life", but do know Claude's licorice and anchovy pizza does leave a repeating after taste.
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      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      So Richard can relax and run to the pub.
      Woohooo! I'm running.

      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      I'm wrong. Richard may be in trouble.
      I knew it was true when I watched Ip Man, and Claude looks quite like him.

      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      The thing with Mr. Van is, I think he's always in some form of trouble.
      Another bloody psychic superhero like Claude. :rolleyes:

      I bet you can fly too.

      Weird just doesn't do this justice, didn't this begin with the after life or something?
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    Oh - you guys are talking sports? I thought we were talking about intelligence. Yep, monkeys swing on trees better than humans. Um.........what's your point?
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      I'm not talking about sports but apparently some nutcase is.

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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Oh - you guys are talking sports? I thought we were talking about intelligence. Yep, monkeys swing on trees better than humans. Um.........what's your point?
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        I'm not talking about sports but apparently some nutcase is.

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        I'll have you ladies note that Sal was the first to reference Wolverines in their human form. It was an obvious progression from there. I'm sorry you gals didn't notice the intended double meaning until much later.
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          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          I'll have you ladies note that Sal was the first to reference Wolverines in their human form. It was an obvious progression from there. I'm sorry you gals didn't notice the intended double meaning until much later.
          Oh, I knew where you were going, I just wanted to mess with ya, cuz that's what I do.

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          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          I'll have you ladies note that Sal was the first to reference Wolverines in their human form. It was an obvious progression from there. I'm sorry you gals didn't notice the intended double meaning until much later.
          Yeah, huh. Guess we should have been paying more attention to your ramblings. Or not:rolleyes:.
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  • Profile picture of the author trustedmarketer
    This is my personal belief that you if have done good deeds like helping other fellow warriors make money as an example, you will go to Heaven and have been liberated.

    If your in the middle of good and bad Karma, then you will come back to this planet either as a human or animal...then the suffering will begin all over again like we all face now like wrong Govt policies, hatred, violence, inflation etc

    If you only do bad Karma, you will go to Hell which will be worser than the human/animal life.

    Please note this is my personal opinion based on years of research. The 'Signs' are there like the traffic light signals.
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      Originally Posted by trustedmarketer View Post

      This is my personal belief that you if have done good deeds like helping other fellow warriors make money as an example, you will go to Heaven and have been liberated.

      If your in the middle of good and bad Karma, then you will come back to this planet either as a human or animal...then the suffering will begin all over again like we all face now like wrong Govt policies, hatred, violence, inflation etc

      If you only do bad Karma, you will go to Hell which will be worser than the human/animal life.

      Please note this is my personal opinion based on years of research. The 'Signs' are there like the traffic light signals.
      I appreciate it's personal opinion but heaven and hell and reincarnation are all religious themes and I believe the OP just asked if you believe in the after life and not to bring up religion.

      In this case, I believe it's very safe to assume you do believe in an after life.
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        I appreciate it's personal opinion but heaven and hell and reincarnation are all religious themes and I believe the OP just asked if you believe in the after life and not to bring up religion.

        In this case, I believe it's very safe to assume you do believe in an after life.
        Hey Richard, your right mate. I have a tendency to go off the subject at times. I'm from Sunny Essex....'Innit'. That's probably why....lol

        But yes I do believe in an after life.
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          Originally Posted by trustedmarketer View Post

          Hey Richard, your right mate. I have a tendency to go off the subject at times. I'm from Sunny Essex....'Innit'. That's probably why....lol

          But yes I do believe in an after life.
          I wasn't being rude either. I'm from 'not so sunny' Norf Landan, so not far at all.

          My friend, like I said I thought your post was fine, I just didn't want it descending into the argument it can become. Whatever anyone believes, in my opinion, is completely up to them and I'd never judge a man, woman or child for not having the same beliefs as me.

          Well, there are one or two people but they're not on the forum.

          Also Claude is here and he's a ninja who we now think can fly and he said he didn't want this turning into a free for all. Dan is here too and he's a wolverine.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            I wasn't being rude either. I'm from 'not so sunny' Norf Landan, so not far at all.

            My friend, like I said I thought your post was fine, I just didn't want it descending into the argument it can become. Whatever anyone believes, in my opinion, is completely up to them and I'd never judge a man, woman or child for not having the same beliefs as me.

            Well, there are one or two people but they're not on the forum.

            Also Claude is here and he's a ninja who we now think can fly and he said he didn't want this turning into a free for all. Dan is here too and he's a wolverine.
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            No.


            P.S.: Mr. Van, you are dangerously close to coming off my "To Drink With" Bucket List. Being that you're a Brit and possibly don't understand the severity of such an insult to an Ohioan, I shall let this pass.

            But I'm watching you.
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            • Profile picture of the author waterotter
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.



              No.
              Dan, I'm not getting your point. Could you please repeat that?:p
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              • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

                Dan, I'm not getting your point. Could you please repeat that?:p

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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I'm sure Mr. Van meant to say something like "he's poison to a wolverine".
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      I'm sure Mr. Van meant to say something like "he's poison to a wolverine".

      See, Mr. Van? Biz gets it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        See, Mr. Van? Biz gets it.
        Sorry, I'm a Limey, I think I've misread all this X Men stuff and had a funny moment.

        I can't come off your "To drink with" list. It would be a pointless, self defeating and agonising subconscious form of self punishment.

        We will drink and you can better explain this wolf stuff. In the meantime I'll re-read the thread to get a better understanding.

        I'm right about Claude being a flying ninja though.
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        • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          Sorry, I'm a Limey, I think I've misread all this X Men stuff and had a funny moment.

          I can't come off your "To drink with" list. It would be a pointless, self defeating and agonising subconscious form of self punishment.

          We will drink and you can better explain this wolf stuff. In the meantime I'll re-read the thread to get a better understanding.

          I'm right about Claude being a flying ninja though.
          FYI, Richard - This Wolverine stuff is about the long college rivalry between the University of Michigan Wolverines and the Ohio State University Buckeyes. Also, Ohio is known as the Buckeye State and so people from Ohio are sometimes also called Buckeyes.
          Buckeye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          Buckeye is also a kind of nut (in the literal sense).

          http://www.ohio-nature.com/image-fil...ree-nut-lg.jpg

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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          Sorry, I'm a Limey, I think I've misread all this X Men stuff and had a funny moment.

          I can't come off your "To drink with" list. It would be a pointless, self defeating and agonising subconscious form of self punishment.

          We will drink and you can better explain this wolf stuff. In the meantime I'll re-read the thread to get a better understanding.

          I'm right about Claude being a flying ninja though.
          Surely, Richard, you know my post was (almost) entirely in jest.

          But I'm still watching you.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      I'm sure Mr. Van meant to say something like "he's poison to a wolverine".
      No he's not! :p

      I'm a wolverine and wolverines eat Ohio nuts for breakfast, lunch and dinner. It's one of our main staples.

      Dan and I have been messin' with each other for a long time and he hasn't even made me sick, let alone toxic.

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      • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        however there is a lot of anecdotal evidence
        "anecdotal evidence" = oxymoron.
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        • Profile picture of the author LarryC
          Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

          "anecdotal evidence" = oxymoron.
          Popular thinking notwithstanding, anecdotal evidence is all there really is. At least for the issues that matter most.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
            Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

            Popular thinking notwithstanding, anecdotal evidence is all there really is. At least for the issues that matter most.
            It doesn't matter what "popular opinion" is, or
            any kind of opinion, for that matter.

            "Anecdotal evidence" is not evidence,
            and it is dangerous to claim that it is.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        No he's not! :p

        I'm a wolverine and wolverines eat Ohio nuts for breakfast, lunch and dinner. It's one of our main staples.

        Dan and I have been messin' with each other for a long time and he hasn't even made me sick, let alone toxic.

        Terra
        Were you under the weather recently? Hmmmmmmm.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

          Were you under the weather recently? Hmmmmmmm.
          Yes, but it wasn't Dan I was kissing.


          And besides, I was using the term as in you make me sick! Or you are so bad you even make your grandma sick. You know, as a disgusting, nauseating kind of sick.



          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          I have absolutely no comment.


          Aw, geez!

          Yes you do, Dan, you're just being polite. I know how your mind works and when I re-read what I wrote, I'm sure I know pretty much what your comment would have been.

          But I'm glad you're taking the advice I've given you here in the past.

          Look everybody! Dan is behavin'!




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          • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Yes, but it wasn't Dan I was kissing.


            And besides, I was using the term as in you make me sick! Or you are so bad you even make your grandma sick. You know, as a disgusting, nauseating kind of sick.


            Terra
            I thought maybe he was using Buckeye magic powers.
            I'm a Ram, so what do I care. I have Buffaloes to consider.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        No he's not! :p

        I'm a wolverine and wolverines eat Ohio nuts for breakfast, lunch and dinner. It's one of our main staples.

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        I have absolutely no comment.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    To me, the idea of there being no kind of afterlife is a bit bizarre. It would mean that everything is just random and pointless.

    That doesn't mean I necessarily believe in any specific dogma about an afterlife. Most of the conventional explanations seem a bit too pat to be literally true. But life seems too complex and organized to consist of merely trillions of "one off" lives.
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    I believe that life never ends, so there is no afterlife, just eternal life in different forms.
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  • Profile picture of the author jllagu01
    I would like to believe there is life after death. I think the Universe has its own schedule for continuity of life on another dimension that is, but of course I could be wrong since these things have not been proven yet.
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    I don't believe one way or the other. Maybe there is and maybe there isn't, nobody knows so I'll just have to wait and see, or not see depending on whether there is or there isn't, and even if there is who knows if you'll ever know anyway?
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    I definitely do because of some experiences I have had. No question in my mind. Nothing to do with religion at all. That is all I am going to say on this matter.
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