an iPad mini for a 4 year old?

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Isn't 3 or 4 too young for kids to have their own mobile devices?

Some of the kids in my daughter's kindergarten class already have their own tablets and phones. This bothers me a lot for several reasons:

1) toddlers don't understand that these things are fragile compared to their toys
2) they don't know what these items can really do (other than for games)
3) it's unnecessary and excessive
4) last but not the least, they can't even read or write yet so it makes no sense to give them a device that requires some amount of reading

I think a child should only be given a phone once he/she knows how to use it, as a phone. A phone to be used for emergencies and communication only. And if they want to download apps or games, it should come out of their allowance.

Or maybe I'm just old fashioned.

What do you guys think is the right age to give a child a device?
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    My boy has a tablet and a sg4

    He has been using them since he could pick them up.
    He is 4 now.

    He learned real quick not to throw, drop or bang them around.
    He knows he is not allowed to install anything. He has to ask first.

    He knows his way around them better then I do.
    It teaches eye hand coordination, reading, math ... logical thinking.

    and we made sure most games are "learning" games.
    He likes watching youtube and we allow him to watch netflix.

    He also knows his way around mac notebook and one of our old windows laptops.

    So imho. They are great learning tools for young kids.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    My son is 3 1/2 and is teaching me how to use different features on my Smart Phone that I didn't even know existed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Originally Posted by swatijain2233 View Post

        It,s really good for you that your son is smarter than you..
        Oh my.

        Unintentional, SPAM insult.
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          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          Oh my.

          Unintentional, SPAM insult.
          Do you think it just randomly grabs text and publishes it? However it came to be, it might have been insulting but maybe not wrong, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    If the parents can afford it, the child wants it and the electronic device is not dangerous to the child, then more power to them. If that is all the case, then I have no opinion or feeling on the matter. Good for them.
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    I wouldn't want my kid exposed to those electromagnetic/radiation waves.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I wouldn't want my kid exposed to those electromagnetic/radiation waves.
      That does concern me.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        I wouldn't want my kid exposed to those electromagnetic/radiation waves.
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        That does concern me.

        I am more concerned about my kid breaking his neck in the bath.

        after all electromagnetic radiation bombards us all day, radio, tv, microwave
        the sun ... the list is pretty huge.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          My son is 3 1/2 and is teaching me how to use different features on my Smart Phone that I didn't even know existed.
          Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

          I am more concerned about my kid breaking his neck in the bath.

          after all electromagnetic radiation bombards us all day, radio, tv, microwave
          the sun ... the list is pretty huge.
          What do you guys think about this?

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          • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
            all I read is this "Expert: Tablet PCs slow brain development in children"

            and I call bullshit. Based on my experience with my kid.

            Ok now that I have read it ....

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            The expert stated that children under 12 have to be exposed to as many different environments as possible so they can use all of their six senses. She pointed out that human cannot skip development, especially at young age.
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            That is just common sense. We don't just let him play with electronics.
            He goes to school, plays with kids, plays with us. He even
            has a good old fashioned chalkboard.

            Do you remember the speak and spell? I remember a "report" from an expert
            suggesting the very same thing. I grew up just fine.
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            • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
              Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

              all I read is this "Expert: Tablet PCs slow brain development in children"

              and I call bullshit. Based on my experience with my kid.
              What I've seen anecdotally also suggests otherwise. Tablets have proven to be especially helpful -- ground-breaking -- with autistic children. But, sure, I can speculate that excessive use of tablets could potentially be harmful. As far as I can make out from the article, the opinion comes from a highly qualified expert, but it still just seems to be an opinion, not backed up with anything but speculation.
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              • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                Copious amounts of adults are already losing their social skills by the day through use of these devices.

                Hell forbid I'd raise a kid with their head stuck in one....

                I can see occassional supervised use of the parents ipad / phone as being something that might be fine, but giving a 3 or 4 year old their own is something else. Almost like forcing a pair of Air Jordans on your child just for the sake of seeing your kid wear Air Jordans which marked a fad of the 90's....

                The last thing we need is generation indoctrinated to assume they need things that they don't need.
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                • Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                  Copious amounts of adults are already losing their social skills by the day through use of these devices.

                  Hell forbid I'd raise a kid with their head stuck in one....

                  I can see occassional supervised use of the parents ipad / phone as being something that might be fine, but giving a 3 or 4 year old their own is something else. Almost like forcing a pair of Air Jordans on your child just for the sake of seeing your kid wear Air Jordans which marked a fad of the 90's....

                  The last thing we need is generation indoctrinated to assume they need things that they don't need.
                  Now that you mentioned it, that's a serious concern too.

                  It takes time and practice to learn good social skills. Teaching kids basic manners is hard enough. It's something they need to practice by talking and interacting with a lot of people. A tablet can't really replace that.
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            • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
              Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

              all I read is this "Expert: Tablet PCs slow brain development in children"

              and I call bullshit. Based on my experience with my kid.

              Ok now that I have read it ....

              =======================
              The expert stated that children under 12 have to be exposed to as many different environments as possible so they can use all of their six senses. She pointed out that human cannot skip development, especially at young age.
              ======================

              That is just common sense. We don't just let him play with electronics.
              He goes to school, plays with kids, plays with us. He even
              has a good old fashioned chalkboard.

              Do you remember the speak and spell? I remember a "report" from an expert
              suggesting the very same thing. I grew up just fine.
              Maybe not you. But, I bet there are parents who wouldn't mind if their kids spent a lot of time on the iPad so long as they don't cause them any trouble. We need more research on this and it needs to be put out there so people KNOW.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                Perhaps it is just time for parents to step up and teach there kids moderation and common sense.

                The kids nowadays have more access to real knowledge then any
                previous generation. It is a blessing.
                True - but kids nowadays are exposed to levels of advertising and "opinion bending" we never dreamed of a generation ago.

                Parents have to make the decisions for their own child and not be swayed by what "other people do" or "what other kids have" or be in awe of "how fast my kids learns that stuff".

                Unlimited access to smartphones, ipads, etc for a child is the modern equivalent of unlimited TV. It's important to teach children how to access information that can be trusted - and how to evaluate the games they play and the info they access.
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    if you give a such addictive things at the age of their development it's pretty sure it will work adversely! I have seen many teen agers wasting their time infront of computers plying games. If you ask them about football skills they will show you every players skill on screen but you give them ball and ask them to come outdoors seriously they won't feel it better!

    To be specific we are killing our children's childhood.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by adwaitk007 View Post

      if you give a such addictive things at the age of their development it's pretty sure it will work adversely! I have seen many teen agers wasting their time infront of computers plying games. If you ask them about football skills they will show you every players skill on screen but you give them ball and ask them to come outdoors seriously they won't feel it better!

      To be specific we are killing our children's childhood.
      Perhaps it is just time for parents to step up and teach there kids
      moderation and common sense.

      The kids nowadays have more access to real knowledge then any
      previous generation. It is a blessing.
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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    For some reason this thread reminds me of Halloween 3.

    I think it's just the idea that big corporations controlling parents and ultimately their kids, giving them something that is sold as useful and fun but really it's a sinister plot.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Moreno
    All within moderation!

    My son is 9yo and has severe special needs, he is 100% non verbal and non mobile. We have both a touch screen device and an iPad for him which he takes to school. In some instances it's his only way of communication and it's improved his fine motor hand skills tenfold. It also has given access to explore his own interests by opening his world which he was previously unable to explore physically.

    If you are worried about a device getting broken then go with an Ottobox (sp) case.

    I also have two girls aged 2 and 4, being a tech a guy they have always been around this type of technology but not without supervision. The girls also have their own iPad and both know their way around their iPad without a problem, they also know it needs to be handled appropriately and not thrown around! LOL All their apps are all educational ones and their use is done in moderation. This is just one of many educational resources we have for our kiddos!

    My eldest daughter who is 4 also knows how to use a laptop and a computer with mouse - we supervise her at all times when she is on these and give her access to ABCmouse, NickJr and DisneyJr - she enjoys learning through these resources, her hand/eye co-ordination is excellent, for being 4yo shes pretty bright, shes able to count in both english and spanish, shes known her alphabet for ages and all her shapes - she is also talking in terms of semi circles and quarters now! LOL

    I believe having these resources has really helped her learning abilities and will continue to do so. We have never forced any of our kids to do this and look at this as just another resource for learning.

    My kids are lucky enough that i often work from home and that their mum is a stay at home mum, so we are always around for them.

    Other than having access to these type of resources everything else they do is what you would expect of a typical kiddo of their age.

    As for their own phones... that's not going to happen till much much later - saying that i did teach my daughter to call her mum on my phone the other day, hopefully in the event of an emergency if she needs to at least she knows how.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I bought a couple of cheap android tablets from china for my kids last Christmas. I installed child protective software and put a rubber case around them - and they cost less than $60 a piece.
    They've been playing with them ever since. Seems like they're learning something new on them every day.

    And here's something for those of you that think new technology is causing us to become anti-social... ...

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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I told my son, 3 1/2, about the concerns of how smartphones and such like can interfere with children's education. He replied, "What about your education, daddy? I need to teach you the phone's features."
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    • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
      i will always be grateful i had a childhood, mud, worms, animals, trees, tools, imaginary friends, radio, water and not a computer in sight
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

        i will always be grateful i had a childhood, mud, worms, animals, trees, tools, imaginary friends, radio, water and not a computer in sight
        I had a computer growing up. I think I am better for it. Thanks to my father
        as he is the one who pushed my to learn how to code.

        As far as I am concerned my handwriting is the only thing that has ever suffered.

        Here is a pic of my very first pc.



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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          Copious amounts of adults are already losing their social skills by the day through use of these devices.

          Hell forbid I'd raise a kid with their head stuck in one....

          I can see occassional supervised use of the parents ipad / phone as being something that might be fine, but giving a 3 or 4 year old their own is something else. Almost like forcing a pair of Air Jordans on your child just for the sake of seeing your kid wear Air Jordans which marked a fad of the 90's....

          The last thing we need is generation indoctrinated to assume they need things that they don't need.

          Yep, good point, parents that want to be trendy may throw a few tech items at their child just so they look good!


          I doubt that a tablet will give your child any substantial skills, and considering that 16 or later, they will most likely have an iphone stuck to their ears, for 10 hours a day, there is no rush!

          Hard to say whether the radiation will cause long term issues, but maybe the phone or Wi Fi could be turned off?

          If Wi Fi is already in the house, then it probably will go the way of the should we use Fluoride toothpaste or not argument? No, conclusive data can be found!


          I know that being too close to Windturbines, can cuase health issues with some, but not with others!

          And since each turbine is effectively a electromagnetic generator on a tower, (when operational) and humans have electromagnetic fields around us, then naturally it can adversely affect us!

          But of course this is getting into, doctor or skeptic territory, so it all gets back to accurately weighing what adverse health affects present themselves.


          As long as they don't use Catskans on 3 year olds, while they are playing with one of these things!

          The Catskan uses such high levels of electromagnetic radiation, that those things need their own tests done, to see what it's affects are!


          I suppose having your child run and play outside regularly, and not have this thing near their head, for long periods will probably safeguard them against most adverse affects.


          I personally would stay with Disney movies, and getting my child a Laptop when they turn 12.


          May not make a difference health wise, but it would give me piece of mind!


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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Buy a disposable $59 tablet at Walmart, no since in blowing $100s on an Apple product for a child that's going to eventually use the tablet for a frisbee.

    My brother bought my nieces a cheap tablet, they use it for educational things like flash cards. There's an app for that, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author bradstern
    In my own opinion, as long as the kid still gets to enjoy life as it is (if you know what I mean) and not get soaked with his/her digital devices, that is still okay. Make sure the kid still gets to play and in contact with the physical world.

    So yeah, everything in moderation.

    After all, there are some really good educational apps for kids' learning! That might improve their skills than degrade them.
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  • Profile picture of the author mlrooney
    I absolutely don't think children that young should be using electronics like that solely because they will get glued to them, like many people became addicted to video games. On the other hand, I do think it is important that they understand technology because whether we like it or not, ipads and all of this new technology will be the norm. I have 2 year old twin nieces and they know how to use the iphone better than my 68 year old father. It's the world that we are now living in, and we will only get more and more dependent on technology.

    I did see that leapfrog just came out with their own tablet that I think will actually be really great for children. I'm sure it is more durable than a glass ipad, and it focuses first and foremost on education (which is what children should have these devices for anyway).
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by mlrooney View Post

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      I did see that leapfrog just came out with their own tablet that I think will actually be really great for children. I'm sure it is more durable than a glass ipad, and it focuses first and foremost on education (which is what children should have these devices for anyway).
      I've pondered over what educational means. Some things that don't seem educational per see may actually help to develop some skills. I didn't want my son to use my cell phone and play games on it, but he did get his hands on it and figured out things in a matter of minutes, including where games are, paint pads, shooting videos, camera. I found him playing a game on it and already mastering it, though he'd never played such games before. Then, before I could express token disapproval for taking my phone, he started showing me features on the phone that I wasn't even aware existed. I guess my main concern is if there really is any danger associated with radiation in using these devices.
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  • Profile picture of the author moja
    I wouldn't want my children using smartphones to be honest. A tablet at home, which I monitor and in moderation, is fine. No cellphone though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I found this news item concerning:

      Fisher Price introduces baby seat with iPad - World Story

      I listened to a woman explain how great this would be for baby - he could watch himself, he could learn so quickly, this is the "same as" a mobile device of toys hanging from a baby seat.

      Do we want babies to learn from the getgo that "selfies" are the most important thing in the world? Do we want to expose them to media that may be focused on something other than what's best for the baby? Do we want our baby to learn what other people think is important - are we too busy to teach our own values to our children or to interact with them?

      Are we ready to teach kids that every moment of their life will be filled with entertainment with no effort required of them to entertain themselves?

      I'm sure this baby seat will be a best seller - but I don't for the life of me understand why anyone would buy it.

      I can see where an ipad could be invaluable when traveling with young children or babies - anything to keep them occupied for hours in a car or on a plane. But as a daily baby sitter - I think it's a bad move.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    You can configure your smart device so your child
    can have their version of it. That might be less expensive
    and allow for monitoring of their use and time spent.

    And, they have to learn to share.
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    Welcome to the 21st century. Imagine what people will be going through in the 22nd century.. Whoa!
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  • Thanks for all your comments!

    It was really great to see both sides of the fence. Both sides have a point.

    Educational apps and letting kids have this access to technology is really good for them in the long run.

    But technology shouldn't get in the way of kids enjoying life to the fullest. And addiction is a serious concern.

    What's really clear to me now is supervision in making sure that they use these devices in moderation.

    We really have to supervise our kids. Make the most out of what tablets and phones can offer, but we have to enforce some rules that would encourage them to do other things like play outside or read book.

    Great thread guys!
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