Cryptocurrency thread (Bitcoin, Litecoin, Quark, PPC, etc...)

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Would like to know if any members of WarriorForum are speculating or investing in cryptocurrencies and which one?

I personally hold a few Bitcoins and recently bought some Quark coins as well (QRK). The concept looks secure and very promising. It's a gamble naturally, but the payoffs can be huge.

What is your stance on this?
  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    I'm getting confused...

    Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

    Bitcoin mining is not profitable anymore. Try some altcoins like Quark instead.
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    • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      I'm getting confused...
      Well, unless you have access to free electricity and have tons of ASIC's, then Bitcoin mining won't be profitable anymore. The difficulty is too high and most people are mining with ASIC's.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

        Well, unless you have access to free electricity and have tons of ASIC's, then Bitcoin mining won't be profitable anymore. The difficulty is too high and most people are mining with ASIC's.
        I was wondering about the power usage & really how mining works. Hypothetically If power wasn't an issue how much could be mined per day on an average setup?

        Does mining require a lot of bandwidth or is it all/mostly done offline?
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        • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          I was wondering about the power usage & really how mining works. Hypothetically If power wasn't an issue how much could be mined per day on an average setup?

          Does mining require a lot of bandwidth or is it all/mostly done offline?
          It doesn't require that much bandwidth, but it does require powerful dedicated hardware known as ASICs. They are expensive, but if you have those set up and free electricity then you can make a lot of money until the mining difficulty jumps up even higher.
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
            Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

            until the mining difficulty jumps up even higher.
            ....when the covert mass advertising campaign and hearsay ends and everyone is on the wagon?

            ...or "down the mine" to use a more apt metaphor.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I just recently bought my first .04 bitcoin. It cost me about $45 at coinbase.com. I'm thinking about trying my hand at arbitrage, but I'm not real sure yet. The difficult part so far is finding a place to buy bitcoins at or near exchange rate without having to wait a week or more for identity and bank-account confirmations.

    For those still wondering about bitcoins - this video did a good job of explaining it...

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    • Profile picture of the author meepo
      Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

      Would like to know if any members of WarriorForum are speculating or investing in cryptocurrencies and which one?

      I personally hold a few Bitcoins and recently bought some Quark coins as well (QRK). The concept looks secure and very promising. It's a gamble naturally, but the payoffs can be huge.

      What is your stance on this?
      BTC to the moon, of course (it's a reddit bitcoin joke overview for ToTheMoonGuy)

      I hope that bitcoin is just the first of many successful digital currencies. And in future, the preferred way of sending money will be digital, direct transfer with no middlemen.

      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I just recently bought my first .04 bitcoin. It cost me about $45 at coinbase.com. I'm thinking about trying my hand at arbitrage, but I'm not real sure yet. The difficult part so far is finding a place to buy bitcoins at or near exchange rate without having to wait a week or more for identity and bank-account confirmations.

      For those still wondering about bitcoins - this video did a good job of explaining it...

      How Bitcoin Works Under the Hood - YouTube
      Gary, are you considering arbitrage between exchanges? Which exchanges specifically?

      good video BTW - anyone wondering "WTF is mining???" should watch the video.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by meepo View Post

        Gary, are you considering arbitrage between exchanges? Which exchanges specifically?

        good video BTW - anyone wondering "WTF is mining???" should watch the video.
        Yes I'm considering it between exchanges, as well as to individuals like through localbitcoins. There seems to be a huge fluctuation in price based on how fast a person can get the bitcoin, and the payment methods you provide.

        There's a lot of scamming going on right now - especially through paypal. It's too easy right now to be scammed selling bitcoins using paypal, because paypal requires proof of delivery - and right now they are not using bitcoin's public ledger or "blockchain" as proof of delivery. Personally I think that if they do not adapt soon that it will hurt them greatly. It's so easy to prove a delivery, that paypal is missing out on a boatload of money by not researching and recognizing just how secure it is. - But until then it's not safe to sell bitcoin using paypal. It's OK to buy using paypal, just not sell.

        However, based on it's current growth rate, it may be easier just to buy it and sit on it. I've read several stories already of people finding bitcoins they had bought for a few dollars and forgotten about only to realize that they are now millionaires.

        If it reaches a million dollars per bitcoin like some say it could, then all it would take is 1 or 2 bitcoins for you to be set.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Hear what this facebook exec says about it...

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    And how about foes of facebook...

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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    There is actually one really great way to get btc and other crypto currencies its not mining, not buying, not trading... lol
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by goindeep View Post

      There is actually one really great way to get btc and other crypto currencies its not mining, not buying, not trading... lol
      Well... what is it?
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      • Profile picture of the author meepo
        Originally Posted by goindeep View Post

        There is actually one really great way to get btc and other crypto currencies its not mining, not buying, not trading... lol
        I think I know where you're going with this...

        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        Yes I'm considering it between exchanges, as well as to individuals like through localbitcoins. There seems to be a huge fluctuation in price based on how fast a person can get the bitcoin, and the payment methods you provide.

        There's a lot of scamming going on right now - especially through paypal. It's too easy right now to be scammed selling bitcoins using paypal, because paypal requires proof of delivery - and right now they are not using bitcoin's public ledger or "blockchain" as proof of delivery. Personally I think that if they do not adapt soon that it will hurt them greatly. It's so easy to prove a delivery, that paypal is missing out on a boatload of money by not researching and recognizing just how secure it is. - But until then it's not safe to sell bitcoin using paypal. It's OK to buy using paypal, just not sell.

        However, based on it's current growth rate, it may be easier just to buy it and sit on it. I've read several stories already of people finding bitcoins they had bought for a few dollars and forgotten about only to realize that they are now millionaires.

        If it reaches a million dollars per bitcoin like some say it could, then all it would take is 1 or 2 bitcoins for you to be set.
        Manually selling BTC at a premium works well. Besides LocatBitCoins, I've seen listings on Fiverr for $2 worth of BTC going for $5 - after Fiverr takes their $1 cut that leaves $4... doubling your money. Takes a good bit of time to do this And Fiverr seems to frown on currency sales via their platform.

        Other people are using Ebay to sell BTC... but as you said, Paypal is causing troubles.

        Arbitrage between exchanges is challenging, you'll definitely want to automate it with a trading bot. It used to be easier in the past. Be sure to research on BitCoinTalk and the Bitcoin reddit, there's a LOT of good information in both locations:

        - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/sear...ct_sr=on&t=all
        - https://bitcointalk.org

        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        Well... what is it?
        Accept Bitcoin instead of USD for products & services you sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author forumdude65amg
    If you have access to the deep web there is actually a lot you can get with bit coin
    But as a overall investment, I'd just go with a mutual fund which is a fraction of the cost of 1 btc
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    I would like to have one.
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  • Profile picture of the author TycoonRob
    I'd love to see your guide. I've been looking into building a mining rig, but unless you have major cash and are willing to invest a LOT of money into hardware for mining bitcoin, litecoin is the way to go for mining. For under $1K you can build a mining rig with 2 GPUs that can get 800-900 kH/s (kilohash/second), which at the current rate of about $30/LTC can net you about $300/mo (depending on your electricity rate).

    I've also thought/am thinking about just investing in currency. With so many crypto-currencies out there it might seem tempting to try some of the smaller ones, but I think litecoin is now the way to go for budget-minded investors.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Ok - I'm reversing my position on coinbase.com - I bought my bitcoins there over a week ago with a transfer from my bank, and now they've cancelled my transaction and are still holding my money. It kind of serves me right for not fully doing my homework. Had I of done a little more reading I would have found an entire forum thread talking of the coinbase.com scam. Oh well, at least I didn't spend a lot on that transaction.

    The one thing that will kill bitcoins is the ease with which they can be stolen. If one major bank would step in and be a buffer between the buyer, the seller, and the ledger - then that bank would make a fortune.

    I'm still wanting to give this a try, because even with China dropping it, the value has not collapsed. It took a dip, but is slowly climbing back up. Which goes along with the theory that nothing can stop it. - I still think that too much scammery will stop it. But I'm hoping that there's enough big people with big money invested that will step in and figure out a way to stop the shenanigans.
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    • Profile picture of the author TycoonRob
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Ok - I'm reversing my position on coinbase.com - I bought my bitcoins there over a week ago with a transfer from my bank, and now they've cancelled my transaction and are still holding my money. It kind of serves me right for not fully doing my homework. Had I of done a little more reading I would have found an entire forum thread talking of the coinbase.com scam. Oh well, at least I didn't spend a lot on that transaction.

      The one thing that will kill bitcoins is the ease with which they can be stolen. If one major bank would step in and be a buffer between the buyer, the seller, and the ledger - then that bank would make a fortune.

      I'm still wanting to give this a try, because even with China dropping it, the value has not collapsed. It took a dip, but is slowly climbing back up. Which goes along with the theory that nothing can stop it. - I still think that too much scammery will stop it. But I'm hoping that there's enough big people with big money invested that will step in and figure out a way to stop the shenanigans.
      Gary, did the Coinbase problem ever get resolved? I used Coinbase to buy BTC just fine recently. I'd love to have the link to that forum that was talking bad about coinbase just to get more info. I think there's a lot of trash talking for all of the exchanges.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by BoomBlogger View Post

        Gary, did the Coinbase problem ever get resolved? I used Coinbase to buy BTC just fine recently. I'd love to have the link to that forum that was talking bad about coinbase just to get more info. I think there's a lot of trash talking for all of the exchanges.
        If by resolved you mean - got my money back - then yes, after they held my money for several weeks I did eventually get it back. However this tactic has been used by currency exchanges and traders in the past. They will hold or cancel transactions based on the current price or volatility. If it's cheaper for them to sell the coins at the price they agreed to, then they sell. If it's going to cost them money because the price is quickly changing, then they'll trigger a "risky transaction" against your account and "hold" your funds.

        There was nothing in the information I gave them that could have EVER possibly triggered any form of "risky transaction" software. So either their software is malfunctioning, or they're scamming a lot of people. Either way I'm not trusting my money with them.

        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341082.0

        Here's just one of many of the threads I've read where people have gone through similar.
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        • Profile picture of the author softwarewarden
          Hello.

          Just some food for thought if your in the US then crypto currencys like bitcoin, litecoin could be very bad idea as you might be violating the AML (Anti-Money Laundering) laws. If I remember correctly it said that participate in any way any transaction/digital transaction that can not be traced from source to recipient is agenst the AML an can be up to 20 years in prision.
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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by softwarewarden View Post

            Hello.

            Just some food for thought if your in the US then crypto currencys like bitcoin, litecoin could be very bad idea as you might be violating the AML (Anti-Money Laundering) laws. If I remember correctly it said that participate in any way any transaction/digital transaction that can not be traced from source to recipient is agenst the AML an can be up to 20 years in prision.

            No not true. Do more research.
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            • Profile picture of the author softwarewarden
              Originally Posted by garyv View Post

              No not true. Do more research.
              1. it was a long time a go I read the laws. so I could be wrong.
              2. It could be that its only for banks.
              3. I can see bitcoins etc being good for terrorist groups as
              3.1 theres no was to really track it.
              3.2 theres no way other then taking the wallet.dat file that the funds can be ceased.
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  • Profile picture of the author TycoonRob
    Gary, do you recommend any other exchanges to get USD in and out of cryptos? I just set up an account on mtgox.com - will be doing more research on them - but a lot of the exchanges just deal with BTC/LTC/altcoins and not fiat money exchange to crypto cash.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by BoomBlogger View Post

      Gary, do you recommend any other exchanges to get USD in and out of cryptos? I just set up an account on mtgox.com - will be doing more research on them - but a lot of the exchanges just deal with BTC/LTC/altcoins and not fiat money exchange to crypto cash.
      You probably have as much or more experience than me, considering you actually have bitcoins.

      I'd like to try bitstamp, but need to do more research. I may start out with localbitcoins.com and find a dealer near chicago that will meet me and make an exchange in person.
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  • Profile picture of the author TycoonRob
    Yeah, I'll do some research and let you know here what I find out and/or my experiences. Right now I own only a very, very small amount of BTC since I used my USD/BTC money to buy LTC. I then used some LTC to buy QRK, and I'm looking at getting some others, too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The Bitcoin Meltdown Has Begun - Business Insider

      Link above is an interesting article from last week - it's interesting because it's written by a pro in finance. He could be wrong, of course.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The Bitcoin Meltdown Has Begun - Business Insider

        Link above is an interesting article from last week - it's interesting because it's written by a pro in finance. He could be wrong, of course.

        You can tell some of these articles that are written by older (and yet very smart) financial experts. They don't take into account the genius of the technology involved. The fact that it's controlled by an encrypted peer-to-peer network means that it's not ever going to be controlled by any centralized entity. So that means that as long as people want to trade them for goods, they'll be of some value.

        So if you follow that out to it's logical conclusion - if people always find some value in bitcoins, that means that people will continue to mine them until all 21-million are in circulation. Once all 21 million are in circulation the price will instantly start to go up, because no more can be made or mined.
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        • Profile picture of the author harrydog
          Hi Guys
          I have been doing a lot of research into Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

          There are plenty out there at the moment and it will be some time before the concept is fully accepted by the masses and governments. In the meantime more and more businesses are beginning to accept Bitcoin for a couple of reasons
          1) It gets them publicity - overstock is an example
          2) It allows them to take micro payments as the processing fees are next to nothing or free compared to credit and debit card fees. This allows them to sell say an item for a $1 and not have to pay 2.5 - 5 % processing fees which might be a very large chunk of their margins.
          3) It makes them look up to date and trendy

          The major downside for accepting bitcoins (or any other crypocurrency) is the volatility.

          This will reduce as Bitcoin settles down and there is technology now being developed such as smart price tags that constantly monitor the Bitcoin value/price and automatically adjust accordingly.

          One of the other major downsides at the moment is the exchanges. As Gary experienced these new exchanges can be problematic and sometimes illiquid so you cant easily convert Bitcoin to $ or £

          As I write this MTgox has frozen all withdrawals until Monday, leaving a huge number of people stuck in their system with no way out. As MTgox (although not the biggest exchange) is the most well known exchange if it goes down this will be a big news story and may send the value of Bitcoin down in the short term. But this may be a good thing. Just like the Silk road saga after this was shut down the value rocketed.

          People need to be reassured that their $/£/Bitcoins are safe and shaking out dodgy exchanges and nefarious scammers is in the long run a good thing.

          Cryptocurrencies are here to stay. The genie is out of the bottle and the governments and regulators will have to find a way to be involved. The banks and credit card companies will have to get involved as they will lose billions in transaction and processing fees - why would anyone pay 5% to make an international transfer when you can transfer millions for free with Bitcoin?

          This is not what the Bitcoin community wants though, they want a free and libertarian system without any government intervention or regulation. But if you think about it logically whats the true worth of Fiat money? Its the fact that governments can tax it. Without tax revenues society as we know it would be unworkable. Who would build the roads, who would pay for the Police etc.

          The next two years will be very interesting for this sphere. Whether its Bitcoin or Litecoin or Dogecoin or Anycoin that eventually wins is any ones guess.
          I am personally buying a little of each of the more established ones and just sitting on them

          There are ways to all of them for free.

          So get yourself some wallets (where you store your coins) and start grabbing some free coins. Imagine if you had grabbed yourself a few 100 Bitcoins for free when they were valued at $0.14 even after the last few days mini crash you could get $700+ per Bitcoin - not bad for free stuff.

          -Just on a personal note-

          I am a fan of cryptocurrencies. I think the banks and financiers have been stealing from the masses for too long and governments and central bankers cant just keep printing money to get themselves out of the hole.

          I am also buying Gold and Silver as I do see a dollar collapse on the horizon and if that happens there will be carnage out there.
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          • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
            I'm just getting my toes wet with crypto-currencies - I am getting advice from someone who has been doing it for a while as well as doing my own research. It is fascinating to me.

            I think many people have lost trust in traditional currencies, traditional banks, and our governments' management of money. So they are creating their own economy - and the fact that some main stream businesses are accepting crypto-currencies as payments should be quite telling to most people.
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            • Profile picture of the author harrydog
              Hi Karen
              I think you are right. Trust is the driver for all this, both mistrust in governments and new trust in crypocurrencies.

              The governments of this world have messed things up to put it mildly and its always the masses that end up paying for it - how many people have lost their jobs, lost their homes and seen their pensions eroded due to bad fiscal and economic policies and letting bankers get away with billions

              If the average person doesnt pay their taxes what happens they go to jail! and Not one of these greedy and quite frankly corrupt bankers have been jailed - none!
              The tax pay has had to bail out failed banks and what do the governments do - simply print more money that these same corrupt bankers are now making more money out of. And no wonder people dont trust the government any more.
              It is time for a paradigm shift and as cryptocurrencies gather momentum and the masses understand the benefits of using them then a tipping point will be achieved and the governments will have to embrace them or fiat money will die. Where will they get all their lovely free Tax revenues from? Its their only source of income and they just cant manage the books. Any body with half a brain knows when running a household budget that more money out than more money in is the road to the poor house. What would happen if all the government bond holders dumped their bonds tomorrow - scary prospect! Uncle Sam would have to shut down over night - chaos.
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              • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                @harrydog -
                I think we are witnessing the beginnings of a world financial revolution that will level the playing field - and those who currently hold the purse strings are starting to get very edgy - it's no wonder main stream media is publishing anti-Bitcoin propaganda - they don't like this - how dare we create alternative currencies that they can't control?

                I think it's about time for this "revolution" - because I believe everyone deserves to prosper - and there is more than enough prosperity for everyone in this world to live a life of dignity with all needs met.

                I hope to live to see the paradigm shift. I think it would be heaven on earth to witness the end of poverty.
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                • Profile picture of the author harrydog
                  Hi Karen
                  yes I agree we are witnessing the beginning of the end. A new world order is coming - in what form I am not sure, but bitcoin or another form of crypto currency will be the winner.
                  Fiat currencies are dead - "the emperors new clothes" comes to mind with central banks printing more and more money, devaluing all the time trying tp staif off hyper inflation.
                  Watch the chinese dump all the american debt that they hold and the dollar will collapse overnight (why do you think China and Russia are buying 100's of tonnes of gold?)
                  Whether its this year next yaer or in 5 years time its coming and crypto currencies will take over.
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  • Profile picture of the author seanwilliam1988
    Bitcoin is very good investment and I'm glad you tried your luck into it. I accept bitcoin in my small online shop and my customer base is slowly growing. Read more from here Bitcoin Investment: A Good or Bad Move? | Bitcoin Daily
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    • Profile picture of the author meccabiz
      I agree that cryptocurrency is here to stay. It brings hope for a better outcome in this economy besides growing our own gardens and making our own herbal tinctures. The nation will come together in the days ahead and helping our fellow man will be in the forefront.
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