US Military to Relax Uniform Policy and Allow Long Hair, Beards and Turbans for Daily Duty.

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Pentagon relaxes rules on religious apparel, facial hair | Fox News

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The Pentagon on Wednesday relaxed its rules governing the religious apparel and facial hair that troops can wear or maintain while in uniform, permitting in some cases tattoos, body piercings and other religious items.

The Defense Department issued the changes via a directive Wednesday afternoon. As part of the military's changing approach to making religious accommodations, the new policy will allow service members to sport different kinds of religious garb and hairstyles so long as they don't have an "adverse effect on military readiness, mission accomplishment, unit cohesion, and good order and discipline."

The changes create several new categories, besides clothing, of religion-based features that can be displayed by troops. These now include facial hair, such as beards, and religious tattoos and piercings.

Immediate commanders will be allowed to grant accommodations to service members in some cases; in others, these items will have to be approved at a higher level.

The Pentagon stressed that religious apparel that "impairs" the safe operation of weapons, poses a safety hazard to others, or interferes with special equipment like helmets and flak jackets will not be permitted.

"By promulgating this new instruction, we believe that it will enhance commanders' and supervisors' ability to promote the climate necessary to maintain good order and discipline, and would reduce both the instances and perception of discrimination among those whose religious expressions are less familiar to the command," Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen said.

"The Department of Defense places a high value on the rights of members of the Military Services to observe the tenets of their respective religions and the rights of others to their own religious beliefs, including the right to hold no beliefs."

The changes come after a Sikh American complained that fellow Sikhs should be able to wear a turban or maintain a beard while in uniform.
  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Hi Sandra,

    Having long hair, a beard and wearing a Turban is also fairly essential for being a Sikh.

    Regarding tattoo's, I see quite a few soldiers and ordinary members of society have them already.

    I'm not sure about piercings or even what religion makes that essential.

    I guess it's a touchy subject across the pond. I know from working with a Sikh that their hair and Turban is a big deal. The only other thing I guess, is to give no quarter and say "dump the turban and shave your hair off or don't join up".

    It's something you'll have to decide, I've no idea how good or bad American/American Sikh relations are over there.

    We get on rather well over here though and if someone wants to fight for your country, in a Turban or not, they deserve a pat on the back in my book.

    But that's just me and I'm only saying that based on British/British Sikh relations. What you do is up to you. I probably shouldn't have even commented.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    Canada already give leeway for this.

    It's not that huge of a deal, if you go to any given base, you'll maybe see one or two guys with turbans out of a base of some 1000-2000 soldiers. Sometime none at all.

    Not only that we have a bilingual army.

    The big argument against it is that it breaks uniformity. A uniform actually makes a big difference, not only in the army but also in civilian life. It means "We are part of the same tribe". It's much easier for unit cohesion and morale.

    One solution might be to simply to create a regiment (dunno what the US equivalent would be, Canada is based on the british regimental system) exclusively with sikhs with their own traditions if there is enough of them.

    We actually have a regiment wear skirts ... .er.... I mean kilts because of their scottish roots. It is completely at odds with the rest of the army but they still do it but they do it as a unit, not as individuals.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

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      We actually have a regiment wear skirts ... .er.... I mean kilts because of their scottish roots. It is completely at odds with the rest of the army but they still do it but they do it as a unit, not as individuals.
      I am too mixed to be any particular ethnicity, but I do have Scots in my family tree. Not enough to inspire me to wear a "man-skirt", LOL.

      (Just messing with Scots here. KILT!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Brady Partridge
    If they let me wear my German spiked helmet, I'll sign up tomorrow.
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  • Profile picture of the author taskemann
    Here they allow hijabs in the army. One day I was walking in the woods and the army had a march for recruits which I didn't know anything about. So when I was walking in the woods with my fishing rod in my hand, I spotted two young girls with hijabs and HK416 rifles in front of me speaking arabic, kurdish or whatever language it was. I jumped anf then I realised what was going on. Looked like Al-Qaeda had settled in my local forest...
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Since I am not now, and never will be, in our armed services, I don't really have an opinion on it other than I think when someone is laying their life on the line for us might be a good time to let them keep as close to their religion as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, fighting hand to hand, and using some machinery, long hair can be a liability! First rule of using a lathe? NO TIES or long hair exposed!!!!!!!!! Break that rule at your own risk. Punishment may include severe deformity and death.

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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Well, fighting hand to hand, and using some machinery, long hair can be a liability! First rule of using a lathe? NO TIES or long hair exposed!!!!!!!!! Break that rule at your own risk. Punishment may include severe deformity and death.

      Steve
      That's what the Turbans for Steve.

      Long beards on the other hand, and one has a point.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        That's what the Turbans for Steve.

        Long beards on the other hand, and one has a point.
        Well, there ARE other problems with turbans, etc.... I decided to not go THERE. All it takes is a SPLIT SECOND In hand to hand, or near a machine gun, lathe, etc....

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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          Well, there ARE other problems with turbans, etc.... I decided to not go THERE. All it takes is a SPLIT SECOND In hand to hand, or near a machine gun, lathe, etc....

          Steve
          They seem to be doing ok so far?

          Military history of Sikh Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          I think the best thing to do Steve, in your case is to just ban them from joining unless they agree to remove the turban and have a good shave. It's clearly too dangerous and being a Sikh clearly makes it worse.

          Mind you, from a Sikhs point of view, how confident would they feel stripped of all their religious garb? If you were God fearing, I doubt being stripped of it would help at the one time you'll come closest to your maker.

          Having said that, doesn't it take just a split second decision, during a war, to get killed anyway? They are trying to kill each other Steve. It's the general idea.

          Funnily enough, when you read that link, you'll see they used to be able to wear turbans etc in the US military, right the way back to the first world war. Then in the 80's, the US decided they couldn't keep their religious stuff on anymore. Consequently very few signed up to fight - Hence the reason you are probably going to reverse the very rule you made in the 80's?
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Prior to 1980, beards and turbans were allowed for Sikh Americans and after that it was only approved case by case with a lot of red tape.
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Prior to 1980, beards and turbans were allowed for Sikh Americans and after that it was only approved case by case with a lot of red tape.
            Sorry Kay, you added that bit while I was editing my post to reflect the same.

            As I said, I can't imagine people during the hell of WW1, worrying about the dangers of a Sikh wearing a Turban.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    Originally Posted by SandraLarkin View Post

    Pentagon relaxes rules on religious apparel, facial hair | Fox News

    I actually thought this was a joke. What does everyone think?

    It's FOX NEWS!! I call bullshit. The military is EXTREMELY strict on their uniform policies. You're supposed to look the same. All of the branches (except the Army) have very strict rules against tattoos and piercings...and even the Army is looking to tighten the rules on that as well. When you see troops with tattoos, it's because they were grandfathered in...they couldn't join with those tattoos..they got them when they were already in, and when the rules hadn't changed.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

      It's FOX NEWS!! I call bullshit. The military is EXTREMELY strict on their uniform policies. You're supposed to look the same. All of the branches (except the Army) have very strict rules against tattoos and piercings...and even the Army is looking to tighten the rules on that as well. When you see troops with tattoos, it's because they were grandfathered in...they couldn't join with those tattoos..they got them when they were already in, and when the rules hadn't changed.
      Oh get a grip - ALL news is corporate/gov owned now. Pointing out FOX as liars without mentioning the other channels lie, too, just suggests extreme naivety.

      I was in Germany in 73-74.....an army wife. I don't remember anything out of uniform allowed -- and that included long hair. The blacks were wanting to have afro haircuts and they protested and burned down a warehouse on base over the brass telling them no way. It wasn't a "style" thing or a "uniformity" thing. It was field hygiene. When you get out where hygene is close to impossible, long hair can be a very big hygiene issue.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        The rules were tightened several years after the military became a fully volunteer force. The draft was ended sometime in the early 70's but in 1980 (or so) someone figured out it might be a good idea to make people register anyway in case a draft was needed again in the future.

        When that new draft registration was begun, the rules were tightened on appearance standards. I always thought the stricter requirements at that time reflected hair styles of the day and demands of some in the military to wear long hair, Afros, dreadlocks, etc that were other than military standard haircuts.

        We've had Sikh military members for generations. There are very few of them today in the military but their turbans aren't much different from the regulation hats and the beards are short and trimmed.

        If a minor adjustment or allowance permits someone to serve in the military while also following his religious beliefs, I have no problem at all with that. If the point is to follow a fad or a popular style that's a different matter.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Regarding the supposed decision to "slant or make stuff up".... I have heard competitors say that people DIDN'T say/do certain things or DID say/do things that may be perceived as good, and have seen those people actually say/do the OPPOSITE! Sometimes AS THEY HAPPENED! Some have been VIDEOED that way and had news reports, even by the SAME companies that in the past, or now, say the OPPOSITE!

    GIVE ME A BREAK! Unreal!

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