How They Fought The I.R.S. And Won - 10 Points They Clubbed The I.R.S. With

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This is a non-political thread since the I.R.S. is neither Republican nor Democrat, so it should be left standing.

I have a friend in the United States who has been listening to the news and realizes that the I.R.S. has been abusing it's power. It is all over the news if you have had your head in the sand and you do not know what I am talking about.

Therefore, my friend feels he can not trust the I.R.S. and wants to know what he can do to tell them to get lost if they want to audit him. After examining the news myself, I agree with him.

Anyone have any ideas about what he can do? I wonder if this strategy below would still work? It is old so maybe not?


Thumbs up - 10 Points To Club The IRS With


If you want to send an interesting email to your U.S. friends and relatives please copy and paste the below information and send it out by email. It will open up people's eyes to the truth big time !!!


Some years ago tax attorney par excellence, Lowell (Larry) Becraft, from Huntsville, Alabama earned the distinction of being the IRS BUSTER. Larry won landmark cases in Tennessee wherein 18 citizens accused of "willful failure to file" their tax returns were acquitted.


Below is an example of one of the cases:


On October 15, 1993 a Chattanooga jury exonerated Lloyd R. Long of the same charge. The IRS said that Long had made more than $49,000 in 1989 and 1990 and that he did not file a return. Becraft and Long agreed, but went on to prove that he was NOT REQUIRED BY LAW TO FILE ! The case, US v. Lloyd R. Long, #CR-1-93-91, was won on 10 points of law.


TEN POINTS OF LAW THEY CLUBBED THE IRS WITH


1. BRUSHABER V. UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD: Unanimous decision of the U.S. Supreme Court that the 16th Amendment did not give Congress any new power to tax any new subjects; it also showed that the INCOME TAX IS IN FACT AN EXCISE TAX ON CORPORATE PRIVILEGES AND PRIVILEGED OCCUPATIONS.


2. FLINT V. STONE TRACY: Excise Tax is a tax laid upon the manufacture, sale, and consumption of commodities and upon licenses to pursue certain occupations; and upon corporate privileges (DO YOU SEE WHY "INCORPORATION" IS STRESSED).


3. SIMMS V. AREHNS: Income Tax was neither a property tax nor a tax upon occupations of common right, but was an EXCISE TAX. ( Congressional Research Service studies confirm the income tax is an excise).


4. REDFIELD V. FISHER: The individual, unlike the corporation, cannot be taxed for the mere privilege of existing. THE INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHT TO LIVE AND OWN PROPERTY IS A NATURAL RIGHT UPON WHICH AN EXCISE CANNOT BE IMPOSED.


5. JACK COLE V. COMMISSIONER: Citizens are entitled by right to income or earnings and that right can not be taxed as a privilege.


6. CORN V. FORT: Individuals have the right to combine their activities as partnerships.


7. NO WHERE IN THE ENTIRE IRS CODE IS ANYONE ACTUALLY MADE LIABLE FOR INCOME TAX. THEY PROVED THIS WAS NOT AN OVERSIGHT BY SHOWING THAT THE ALCOHOL TAX WAS WORDED SO CLEARLY THAT NO ONE COULD MISINTERPRET THE MEANING.


8. MISSION STATEMENT OF THE IRS DECLARING THAT THE INCOME TAX RELIED UPON VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE.


9. Statement from the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division of the IRS which shows the income tax is 100% voluntary, as opposed to the Alcohol Tax which is 100% mandatory.


10. An IRS agent, Ms. Jeu, stated that a secret code known only to the IRS, and encoded on Mr. Long's permanent record, showed that the IRS knew he was not required to file a return.


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HERE IS MORE INTERESTING PROOF


Bill Benson traveled the country and tried to find out if the income tax amendment was properly ratified or not. This letter from a lawyer pretty well sums up his findings.



Law Offices

ANDREW B. SPIEGEL
77 West Washington Street
Suite 707
Chicago, Illinois 60602




Feb 19, 1985
William J. Benson
1128 East 160th Place
South Holland, Illinois 60473


RE: "RATIFICATION OF THE 16TH AMENDMENT

Dear Bill:

I have reviewed the documents which you have obtained on the
"ratification" of the Sixteenth Amendment. I put "ratification" in
quotation marks because it is apparent, from those documents,
that the 16th Amendment was never properly ratified and therefore
has never been a part of our Constitution.

The documents you have obtained establish that a fraud of massive
porportions was perpetrated on the people of this country in 1913 by
Secretary of State Philander C. Knox and his staff. The documents
establish that Knox and the Solicitor - his lawyer - knew the states
had not ratified the Amendment as proposed by Congress.

The fraud arises when they certified that the Amendment had been
ratified, instead of sending it back to each state for proper ratification.
The "presumption" indulged in by the Solicitor in his report is simply
preposterous in view of the documentation sent to him from the
various states.

The absence of the Sixteenth Amendment means that the federal
government can only collect an income tax within the guidelines set
forth by the Supreme Court in Pollock v Farmers' Loan and Trust Co.,
157 U.S. 429 (1895).

Its absence also means that the sections of the Internal Revenue
Code relating to income tax are null and void, since they are based
upon the Sixteenth Amendment.

The enormity of the problem this situation presents to the federal
government is obvious. The courts will have difficulty accepting
these facts and throwing out the income tax as we know it. The
courts, which are supposed to be the staunch guardians of our
Constitutional rights vis-avis the government, will be hard-pressed
to live up to that role.

This is especially true in the event that individual judges and
prosecutors persist in enforcing a law that never really was a law,
but which has been assumed to be a law for over seventy years.
To the extent such individuals persist, they may well become
co-conspirators in the fraud which was perpetrated on the
American people in 1913.

I hope this answers your query and that the truth will set us all
free. You deserve a lot of credit for the task you have undertaken.
I want to thank you for being so dedicated to liberty.

Sincerely, Andrew B. Spiegel
ABS/af
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    There are numerous people that win against the IRS once it is pointed out there is no law forcing anyone to pay an income tax.

    Dennis Blewitt has some really good books on Civil Law. He's still practicing in CO, too - so if you get hit with the IRS, he's a very good lawyer to contact. A very well respected lawyer on the national level, and an expert on exploitation. .
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      There are numerous people that win against the IRS once it is pointed out there is no law forcing anyone to pay an income tax.

      You mean no law other than the 16th Amendment, right? But what does the Constitution have to do with anything...


      16th Amendment
      Amendment XVI
      The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.




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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        You mean no law other than the 16th Amendment, right? But what does the Constitution have to do with anything...
        Catch Kurt. The IRS is NOT congress, and not legally installed. And if you don't believe me, tough noogies - go talk to the lawyers that win cases.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Catch Kurt. The IRS is NOT congress, and not legally installed. And if you don't believe me, tough noogies - go talk to the lawyers that win cases.
          Irrelevant BS. You said there was no law. There is and I posted it. You can debate about the IRS all you want, but that isn't what you said.

          I personally feel the IRS over-steps the Constitution in a number of ways, but that isn't the point and your strawman fallacy won't fly with me.

          Stop telling people there is no law "enforcing people to pay income tax". You are factually wrong.

          And if you don't believe the law is enforced, go talk to the people in prison for tax evasion. Wesley Snipes is one person that comes to mind.
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          • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Irrelevant BS. You said there was no law. There is and I posted it. You can debate about the IRS all you want, but that isn't what you said.

            I personally feel the IRS over-steps the Constitution in a number of ways, but that isn't the point and your strawman fallacy won't fly with me.

            Stop telling people there is no law "enforcing people to pay income tax". You are factually wrong.

            And if you don't believe the law is enforced, go talk to the people in prison for tax evasion. Wesley Snipes is one person that comes to mind.
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            She's actually factually right. There are no laws forcing people to pay. Snipes was convicted for failure to file a tax return, not tax evasion. Other people have been convicted of filing false returns, and a variety of other tax laws, and had the added punitive charge of 'tax evasion' thrown into the mix, but never for not paying because there simply isn't a law requiring you to pay.

            That's not to say the gov won't try to collect on what you've told them your tax bill is. They have tools for collection, and, just as in bankruptcy proceedings, it is illegal to hide assets when Uncle comes looking. They can definitely make your life miserable if you owe them money, but they can't throw you in jail specifically for not paying. If you owe $100K in taxes, but don't have the money to pay, you can sit outside their front door and thumb your nose at them all day and there isn't a thing they can do about it.

            Just be prepared to live in "judgement proof" fashion as long as the bill is due and hasn't been removed by bankruptcy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
    Originally Posted by Unity96387 View Post

    This is a non-political thread since the I.R.S. is neither Republican nor Democrat, so it should be left standing.
    Your statement implies that any thread that meets all of the forums rules and guideline will be left standing. Your implication is in error.

    Originally Posted by Unity96387 View Post

    Anyone have any ideas about what he can do?
    Secure a second passport and renounce his citizenship.

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    • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
      Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

      Your statement implies that any thread that meets all of the forums rules and guideline will be left standing. Your implication is in error.



      Secure a second passport and renounce his citizenship.

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      Joe:

      I dunno know about you, but I want this thread kept standing whether it becomes political or now.

      My reasoning is simple....I want people to read this, and be very very wary about claims income tax is illegal, or that there is no law pertaining to such, etc, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

      That being said, I know of exactly one way to not pay taxes, or pay so little it doesn't bother you at all to do so. It's called invest in Municipal Bonds. They are tax free at the federal level, and if you reside in the state you invested the money in, it's tax free there also (this may have changed, consult a tax professional).

      Anything else is a scam. Get the straight scoop here...written by a real former Special Agent of the Department of the Treasury.
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    Tell your friend not to worry too much. Federal prison isn't as scary as people make it out to be.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Tell your friend not to worry too much. Federal prison isn't as scary as people make it out to be.
      Truth.

      State prisons are much worse.

      And hey, this isn't Germany or Japan... The IRS is one of the least
      aggressive tax collectors in the world, and they are almost
      always willing to negotiate.

      Go ahead, ask the tax attorneys what to do about paying
      your taxes... Most of them will probably offer to charge you
      an ungodly amount of money to negotiate a settlement
      on your behalf.

      You'll have to pay the lawyers up front, however...
      They already know you are the kind of person who tries
      to get out of paying your debts!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Irwin Schiff became rather famous (or infamous) after writing a book about how income tax is illegal. He's in prison for tax crimes now, along with some of the poor saps who bought into his "proof."

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      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Irwin Schiff became rather famous (or infamous) after writing a book about how income tax is illegal. He's in prison for tax crimes now, along with some of the poor saps who bought into his "proof."

      Irwin Schiff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      It's a very dangerous proposition to argue in court, but it can be done. Sometimes people hit it right and sometimes they don't. There's also likelihood that even if you are dead on the money, you will go to jail anyway. It's like that no matter what you end up in court for. The person that goes to court in the US thinking they will be okay because they have not violated any standing laws on any issue is a fool.
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  • Given that we have representatives making our tax laws, what is so odious about paying what those laws say we owe?
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, the 16th amendment WASN'T properly ratified. We also have NO income tax! They could NEVER get away with such a thing, so they charge a WAGE tax! The average worker does NOT get an income, but rather the leftovers of the tax. Ironically, that ads to regulations, costs, and inflation. ALSO, it means that if you make say $22000, are taxed 10%, and can live on $20,000 you can NOT invest $2000 a year which would allow you to deduct more tax, because your REAL income is the $20,000 that must all be spent! IRONIC!

    Hopeless,

    We really don't have representatives. Haven't you been listening lately? HECK, Clay Aiken is running for congress! He seems well spoken. Anyway, one of the beefs he says he has is that others in his party voted AGAINST the public because they were told BY THEIR PARTY to vote that way!

    Nearly EVERY government has "representation"! Even the USSR! The constitution did NOT mandate representation! It mandated representation OF THE PEOPLE!

    HECK, the first three words make the intent clear!

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
    As for voluntary, they apparently removed that from their tax package. But they say it is like stopping at a stop sign. It is voluntary, but you may still get a ticket.

    If they want to REALLY follow the constitution, and REALLY be democratic(In the english sense of having a democracy), they should follow the LETTER of the law, and be subject to the SAME law of corporations! Some examples?

    1. DON'T LIE! That is FRAUD! Failure to follow this disqualifies you, and may subject you to penalties!
    2. DON'T SLANDER! FRAUD, ILLEGAL, etc.....
    3. DON'T STEAL, EXTORT, MISREPRESENT.......
    4. If a material fact is found to disqualify you, you shall be FIRED, and SUBJECT TO PENALTIES! It doesn't matter if you are a jewish, black, middle aged woman that used to be dirt poor, you are OUT!!!!!!!!!!!
    5. NOBODY should sit in a seat except by the will of the PEOPLE!
    6. NOBODY should sit in a seat during a term which another supersedes him/her.
    7. NOBODY except a proper person according to these laws should have ANY say in any such office, except perhaps as a citizen.

    BTW MOST people in government broke SEVERAL of the above laws! CONGRESS, contrary to several OTHER laws passed laws claiming they are IMMUNE to all of the above!

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    • Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Hopeless,

      We really don't have representatives. Haven't you been listening lately? HECK, Clay Aiken is running for congress! He seems well spoken. Anyway, one of the beefs he says he has is that others in his party voted AGAINST the public because they were told BY THEIR PARTY to vote that way!

      Nearly EVERY government has "representation"! Even the USSR! The constitution did NOT mandate representation! It mandated representation OF THE PEOPLE!

      HECK, the first three words make the intent clear!
      Your opinion. And - unless you can get the SCOTUS to listen to this opinion and agree with it - it means squat, according to the constitution. (As does my opinion.)

      All this aside, if we individual Americans intend to resolve our disputes with government in a legal, non-violent way, it means working within the framework of our existing laws, for better or for worse.

      And if the IRS genuinely messes things up (as they often do) or behaves in bad faith - that's why the law established the federal tax court system.
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    Word of advice...stop listening to everything on the internet, and get real familiar with this site instead.

    Trust me, you will thank me later.
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    I'm here late,obviously,but ,caution,faulty logic below:
    "This is a non-political thread since the I.R.S. is neither Republican nor Democrat, so it should be left standing."
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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    In 2004 I had an IRS collector show up at my door on a day when I was in a more pissy mood than usual. After introducing himself, the conversation went like this:

    IRS. I'd like to go over some documents with you. May I come in?

    Me. Not without a warrant. What do you want?

    IRS. It seems you owe the IRS back taxes for 2000 and 2001.

    Me. First I heard of it. That's a mighty big stack of papers you have there on your clipboard. Are those all people that owe the IRS money?

    IRS. Yes, business is good at the IRS.

    Me. Do any of those people owe the IRS more than you claim that I owe the IRS.

    IRS. Actually, most of them.

    Me. Well, business ain't so good, here. Here's what you need to do. You need to work through that massive list you've got there and when you collect all that money from all of those people, then you come back to see me and I'll write you a check.

    I politely excused myself and gently closed my door.

    Still waiting for that return visit, a decade later. I haven't heard a peep from the IRS, since. I can't explain it, but I ain't complaining.

    I figure the guy probably had a stroke.

    Cheers. - Frank
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