Ok $25k A Month FREE, for life With A few simple conditions!

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Ok, I'm not giving up and my previous thread was not clear enough!

You are being given 25k a month 100% FREE! It is after tax, it is indexed linked so it will always have the same value in real terms. This is for life.

There are some conditions:

You are not allowed to work for yourself or outsource to others to make money either offline or online.
You cannot make money by being an actor, author, singer or entertainer.
You can not buy property and sell it for a profit.
You are not aloud to work for anyone else to make money. No services
You are not aloud to invest it in the stock exchange or invest it in any interest bearing accounts to make money.
Any attempts to make money using the above ways and even a few loopholes I may have missed, you will lose it all!

Here's what you can do:

Spend it on physical stuff
Spend it on vacations, experiences, hobbies and frivilious stuff
Gamble it in casinos. (sometimes you win, sometimes you lose but mostly lose)
Do unpaid voluntary work
Anything else that does not earn you money.

Would you accept the offer or decline it?

My prediction is most will decline!
  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    I would accept for a while, only because l believe that l could increase it at the casinos!

    And as long as there was no one looking over my shoulder, or they could access cameras, l should be able to pocket an extra $10,000 a month in cash!

    Need a big mattress, but with the research l have done, l believe it could be achieved!


    But since this is hypothetical, l don't know why l am getting so serious?


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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      And your prediction would be correct with me. I have never been a slave to money and I don't ever plan on it, not even for 25k a month.

      Keep your 25k a month and I'll remain free to choose how I live my life and what I do with my money. It's all about the freedom.


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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Would you accept the offer or decline it?
        Not being a fool - I'd take the money. If it is $25k every month I don't NEED to make more money. I wouldn't feel limited by not being able to "make more money".

        I'd have to give up the freedom to work...oh well, that's the breaks. I've had work I enjoy - but I work to live ...not live to work. I could volunteer and work without pay on projects I enjoy.

        I'd agree to the terms and wouldn't cheat. Money to travel - try things I've always wanted to try - help people I care about. It would go toward the most frivolous of things - living life to the fullest.

        When does the first check arrive?


        Edit: I think the "passion to make money" is grossly exaggerated. People want to make money because they want to be seen as successful, as important...or they want a lot of 'stuff'. The passion is not for money but for status and acquisition.
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      • Profile picture of the author taskemann
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        And your prediction would be correct with me. I have never been a slave to money and I don't ever plan on it, not even for 25k a month.

        Keep your 25k a month and I'll remain free to choose how I live my life and what I do with my money. It's all about the freedom.


        Terra
        Exactly! I love what I read. You can either choose no free stuff, freedom & liberty and have opportunities, or you can choose free stuff and limited freedom and liberty. Sadly, many in this world prefer the last option...
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Sadly, many in this world prefer the last option...
          Dude - do you have any clue how much freedom money can buy? Having enough money without putting in a lot of time to earn it each day....is the ultimate freedom.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Dude - do you have any clue how much freedom money can buy? Having enough money without putting in a lot of time to earn it each day....is the ultimate freedom.

            Right? Being productive doesn't stop just because you don't get paid for it. This just says you can't get OTHER pay. I have 40 ways to be productive without having to earn a cent - yet can be a benefit to many without having to take my time doing silly crap that has less value, just to make ends meet.

            What this shows me is that there are a lot of people that connect their own value to a money system. My value goes beyond that, I think. I'd just consider that free money my salary, and do what had value - it's earned money either way you look at it.
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        • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
          Originally Posted by taskemann View Post

          Exactly! I love what I read. You can either choose no free stuff, freedom & liberty and have opportunities, or you can choose free stuff and limited freedom and liberty. Sadly, many in this world prefer the last option...
          If one took the offer and later felt restricted, they are free to set themselves up well
          and then end the deal.
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Hey people

            Just got back from Couchatta casino Resort which is in Louisiana. Huge Casino.

            Got some focus together some of the time aside from chasing the big wins (on the slots) to try out a slot method I have devised. The first time I got over 100 bucks, the second 60 bucks. I had 8 tickets to cash out. Involves a lot of dicsipline. You tend to get carried away

            Thanks for all the great responses. It is clear you would take the money given those conditions and I would too. As long as it's index linked. :-)

            The indoctrination of the work ethic and the passion for IM and making it on your own is not as strong as I had thought and there are other creative and fun things that you can focus on in life.
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            • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              Hey people

              Just got back from Couchatta casino Resort which is in Louisiana. Huge Casino.

              Got some focus together some of the time aside from chasing the big wins (on the slots) to try out a slot method I have devised. The first time I got over 100 bucks, the second 60 bucks. I had 8 tickets to cash out. Involves a lot of dicsipline. You tend to get carried away

              Thanks for all the great responses. It is clear you would take the money given those conditions and I would too. As long as it's index linked. :-)

              The indoctrination of the work ethic and the passion for IM and making it on your own is not as strong as I had thought and there are other creative and fun things that you can focus on in life.
              For sure there are different things and interests and motivations.

              One of the businesses I mentioned that I'd purchase - when I was ready to walk away from your Apple money - is a very well established commercial glass business. It interests me because it has a well paid staff in place. That's something I'd like to see continue because it sounds like it would be hard for some of those employees to find something else and provide for their families as they have been doing.

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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                I wouldn't take it. I didn't earn it.

                It isn't the amount. I wouldn't do it for any amount.

                I'm not a fool. I don't blame anyone for taking the deal.

                I have no religious morality. But there are things I see as weak. Taking unearned money is weakness to me. Depending on another person when you are an adult, is weakness to me.

                And spending the rest of your life...just taking more than you contribute? That's an idea of Hell to me.

                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post


                The first thing I'd do is open a vacuum store directly next door to Claude's and give away vacuums for free. If he moved, I'd move with him. Around every corner he turned, I'd be there, vacuum cleaner in tow, stroking the homeless cat that he's never been able to befriend.

                Once he was broken and all that was left was the shivering, slumped shell of the man that once was, I'd drift off into the sunset a contented man.
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                Are you kidding? I'd think it was the funniest thing in the world. I'd stay in business just to make a game of it.
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                • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  I wouldn't take it. I didn't earn it.
                  And spending the rest of your life...just taking more than you contribute? That's an idea of Hell to me.
                  I understand your point of view. Jim Rohn expressed similar views.

                  However, "taking more than you contribute" is not the only option.

                  When you don't have to worry about working, you could volunteer to help the homeless, deliver meals on wheels, teach the illiterate, build habitat for humanity homes, teach those trapped in poverty how to overcome their circumstances, visit children in cancer wards or other hospitalized patients, raise money for good causes, write a book and donate the proceeds, and on and on.

                  You could give more than you take by far, if you have mind to. A simple change of perspective could allow you to accept the money and do great things because of it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                    I understand your point of view. Jim Rohn expressed similar views.

                    However, "taking more than you contribute" is not the only option.

                    When you don't have to worry about working, you could volunteer to help the homeless, deliver meals on wheels, teach the illiterate, build habitat for humanity homes, teach those trapped in poverty how to overcome their circumstances, visit children in cancer wards or other hospitalized patients, raise money for good causes, write a book and donate the proceeds, and on and on.

                    You could give more than you take by far, if you have mind to. A simple change of perspective could allow you to accept the money and do great things because of it.
                    Dennis; I get it. I do. It's a personal bias I have. The bolded part in your post? I'm doing that now, by example. How would I teach someone how to get out of poverty, when I'm accepting charity myself?

                    And I'm going to be blunt. I have heard dozens of people (over the decades) tell me about the wonderful things they would do...if only they had the money. I mean great accomplishments in humanitarian aid, helping the homeless, feeding the poor.

                    But they are never doing these things now, not even on a smaller scale.
                    And they aren't dedicated enough to figure out how to earn the money themselves, so they can do all this with their own money.

                    "If I had $25,000 a month, man..I would do all these wonderful things!"
                    This is (so far) said by someone who doesn't have the money, and probably never will. What would they do if they had large sums of money given to them? Whatever they are doing now. Because that is who they are.

                    Look at lottery winners.

                    How many are now donating their time to charity? How many are accomplishing great humanitarian goals? None. Because that's not who they are.

                    Sorry, my friend. I know I'm in the very small minority. It's just my opinion. And it's just the way I think. It isn't how I think others should think.

                    Again, we all see the world though a different lens. I have a deep prejudice against getting something for nothing. It's visceral, and deep rooted.

                    And your example about what I could do if I had $25,000 a month? I make more than that now. And I'm not volunteering to feed the homeless....just like most people.

                    Now, if the OP's question allowed for us to just take the money and donate it every month to charity? I would do that. But I wouldn't touch it myself. And I would just treat it as though he were donating $25,000 a month to charity.

                    Again, it isn't how I think others should think. Just me.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      I would accept for a while, only because l believe that l could increase it at the casinos!

      And as long as there was no one looking over my shoulder, or they could access cameras, l should be able to pocket an extra $10,000 a month in cash!

      Need a big mattress, but with the research l have done, l believe it could be achieved!


      But since this is hypothetical, l don't know why l am getting so serious?


      Shane
      A deliberate possible loophole I left there, some would agree, some would disagree. Are their people out there that without cheating can make a living from gambling at casino's. Best odds are at roulette, near 50/50 chance, black or red! Also poker tournaments, people get good at it! But sometimes you may lose it all again. and your life does not depend on it. Next month another 25k.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Best odds are at roulette, near 50/50 chance, black or red!
        You forgot to add green, ie 0 and/or 00.

        There are NO professional roulette players. That's all you need to know.

        The only games where the player (rather than the house) stands a chance are poker and blackjack, which is why both of these games have professional players.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          You forgot to add green, ie 0 and/or 00.

          There are NO professional roulette players. That's all you need to know.

          The only games where the player (rather than the house) stands a chance are poker and blackjack, which is why both of these games have professional players.

          Yep, more accurate that l would go there, bet enough on all possibilities so l would walk away with $20 something thousand, which l could do whatever l want with.

          The loss would be worth it since l would get this for life.


          No professional Roulette players eh! You are right there aren't any! :rolleyes:


          Only trouble with card games, is it is inevitable that after wining a few thousand over some months, is most will spend it in one sitting, trying to make a life changing wad, and of course they lose the lot!


          I suppose the smart ones increase their spending limits slowly!


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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    Are the conditions only being set for the sum offered. Other money of my own, or from other sources is exempt? If so, sign me up. Accepted gratefully!

    Am I allowed to spell aloud (sic) correctly?
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

      Are the conditions only being set for the sum offered. Other money of my own, or from other sources is exempt? If so, sign me up. Accepted gratefully!

      Am I allowed to spell aloud correctly?
      Of course you can keep what you have now, but that's it, no more earning, just the 25k a month (index linked) If your rich it probably does not matter to you but you cannot continue your passion to earn money if that's your passion or one of them, you may get bored?
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      • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Of course you can keep what you have now, but that's it, no more earning, just the 25k a month (index linked) If your rich it probably does not matter to you but you cannot continue your passion to earn money if that's your passion or one of them, you may get bored?
        I should probably say 'no deal' but I'm greedy enough to accept still. Maybe I can sneakily get a friend to invest some for me and cover it over with receipts from 'pretend' purchases. When do I get my first payment?
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

          I should probably say 'no deal' but I'm greedy enough to accept still. Maybe I can sneakily get a friend to invest some for me and cover it over with receipts from 'pretend' purchases. When do I get my first payment?
          Your finances will be discretely scrutinized to insure no cheating!

          Check comes When I get as rich as Apple :-) (Next month)
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            A deliberate possible loophole I left there, some would agree, some would disagree. Are their people out there that without cheating can make a living from gambling at casino's. Best odds are at roulette, near 50/50 chance, black or red! Also poker tournaments, people get good at it! But sometimes you may lose it all again. and your life does not depend on it. Next month another 25k.

            Well it does involve Roulette, and to be honest it would probably only take a few thousand to start it.

            But l think that most would spend it on assets that would increase in value, and take a holiday while eventually creating more assets, that could be turned into cash, when you have had enough and broken the rule!


            Another loophole! :rolleyes:

            This thread reminds me of Brewster Millions!


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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              Well it does involve Roulette, and to be honest it would probably only take a few thousand to start it.

              But l think that most would spend it on assets that would increase in value, and take a holiday while eventually creating more assets, that could be turned into cash, when you have had enough and broken the rule!


              Another loophole! :rolleyes:

              This thread reminds me of Brewster Millions!


              Shane

              "and a few loopholes I may have missed" That's one of them. You have the casinos though.

              So have you tried this alleged foolproof roulette system?
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            • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              This thread reminds me of Brewster Millions!
              Love that film! I shall buy a copy with my first 25K cheque while playing roulette in Vega$ and thinking up ways to cheat your system! Apple be damned! :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    So, I'm guaranteed $300,000 per year for life, adjusted for inflation, and I can volunteer my time in any way I see fit provided I don't profit from it? I'm unchained from the trappings of the dollar to be or do whatever I want with my life? Maybe I'm tired, but I don't see a downside.

    The first thing I'd do is open a vacuum store directly next door to Claude's and give away vacuums for free. If he moved, I'd move with him. Around every corner he turned, I'd be there, vacuum cleaner in tow, stroking the homeless cat that he's never been able to befriend.

    Once he was broken and all that was left was the shivering, slumped shell of the man that once was, I'd drift off into the sunset a contented man.

    Or

    I'd move to the beach and buy a couple jet skis. Jet skis are fun as shit.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      So, I'm guaranteed $300,000 per year for life, adjusted for inflation, and I can volunteer my time in any way I see fit provided I don't profit from it? I'm unchained from the trappings of the dollar to be or do whatever I want with my life? Maybe I'm tired, but I don't see a downside.

      The first thing I'd do is open a vacuum store directly next door to Claude's and give away vacuums for free. If he moved, I'd move with him. Around every corner he turned, I'd be there, vacuum cleaner in tow, stroking the homeless cat that he's never been able to befriend.

      Once he was broken and all that was left was the shivering, slumped shell of the man that once was, I'd drift off into the sunset a contented man.

      Or

      I'd move to the beach and buy a couple jet skis. Jet skis are fun as shit.
      You are in full compliance with the rules. Interesting hobbies you have!
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        "and a few loopholes I may have missed" That's one of them. You have the casinos though.

        So have you tried this alleged foolproof roulette system?
        Yep, fully tested, but not something l can do at the present moment, (hard to do, when money is tight).

        Well nothing is full-proof, especially that game that is mathematically very hard to beat.

        But l can do it with minimal losses, so if l go there with a hangover, then l wouldn't lose that much.


        But to be honest l think spending a year or two, creating flyers, then getting off this to launch the horde of party flyers on my hard disk, sounds like a great way to have my cake, etc.


        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        So, I'm guaranteed $300,000 per year for life, adjusted for inflation, and I can volunteer my time in any way I see fit provided I don't profit from it? I'm unchained from the trappings of the dollar to be or do whatever I want with my life? Maybe I'm tired, but I don't see a downside.

        The first thing I'd do is open a vacuum store directly next door to Claude's and give away vacuums for free. If he moved, I'd move with him. Around every corner he turned, I'd be there, vacuum cleaner in tow, stroking the homeless cat that he's never been able to befriend.

        Once he was broken and all that was left was the shivering, slumped shell of the man that once was, I'd drift off into the sunset a contented man.

        Or

        I'd move to the beach and buy a couple jet skis. Jet skis are fun as shit.
        Probably because the homeless cat only answers to Dan???

        I would check the cat for hidden mikes, Claude, and the occasional drone with the machine gun attachment!


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  • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
    i'll take the money, very similar to my present lifestyle

    pity it is just a monopoly game
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    My prediction is most will decline!
    You'd better hope they do. If everyone accepted, meaning nobody could work for themselves or others, you'd probably have to make those dollar bills edible, wearable - and large enough to shelter under.

    Or more likely, we'd end up bartering for products and services - making the $25K payments redundant. But constant bartering would be too restrictive, so someone would come up with the idea of using, say, turnips, as a currency - only they'd be too large and heavy to carry around, so we'd agree on a turnip token that would represent the turnip. Then turnip banks would emerge to lend more turnip tokens against the turnips they held in their vaults. But they'd lend more than the value of their turnip stock, causing the currency to be devalued, leading to a boom in the grow-your-own-turnips market and a Turnip Rush resulting in a run on the turnip forcing the government to license turnip growers and pass laws against unauthorised turnip farming, creating a turnip black market in which, eventually, a single turnip could fetch a price of the equivalent of $25K and everyone would have to survive on one turnip per month.

    Of course, I could be overthinking this.



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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I'd take it in a heartbeat -- as long as there's no "fine print" you haven't revealed. I live well enough now, but I've had very few months where I've made that much. A couple could retire very nicely on that.

    Where do I sign up?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jan79
    I would most certainly accept! With 25K a month I can travel, explore and have enough money to live comfortably. To prevent boredom I would volunteer to help the less fortunate, like going door to door to raise money or help at a dog shelter... I have no desire to earn more than this
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Ok so looks like nearly all of you would take the money and gamble, relax and travel, give some to charity, have fun, persue hobbies, interests

      How different from my other thread, you find a system online to put in place which will earn you that a month, safe and consistant for life, hands free, yet you can put up more of these moneymakers up and get more if you like. Keep working if you like.

      Most chose to keep working and earn more. Not give up work and have fun! Plough the money back, keep on going!

      Give you 25 k straight to not work though, different story. Quick adjustment away from the work thing. No problem. Nearly all takers.

      You all missed one BIG LOOPHOLE. The money stops if you balk on the deal of no earning for yourself. You could have kept, studying, setting up sites, schemes and methods for others though. Your favourite friend or grandmother. Still getting 25k a month yourself. Your earning for them. You may come across some things that earns them 50k a month. Or several things that was earning for them.

      Then, once you are sure and certain about the mechanics of how they are earning you could say the deals off. I want to start working again, money stops! Could take years but you get to keep your online marketing passion and you could save some of the 25 k each month in a non interest account. A few years, have 500k to play with. Money stops when you say i want to work for myself again. No mention of it being taken back.

      And, who knows, your super rich maternal grandmother (who you were doing voluntary work for) may CHOOSE to leave you some moolah in her will. so grateful she would be! :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Sounds like your first question didn't get enough answers - so you rephrased it and you don't like the answers in this thread?

        Most chose to keep working and earn more.
        People SAY that - but see what happened when you offered a better alternative?:p

        Money stops when you say i want to work for myself again.
        Most people receiving 25k a month tax free - would not be focused on "when can I go back to work and stop this no-time-no-effort $25k a month free money....."
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    lanfear - You're putting way more thought into this than any of us likely have. It took longer to type my response than I spent coming up with the answer.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      You all missed one BIG LOOPHOLE. The money stops if you balk on the deal of no earning for yourself. You could have kept, studying, setting up sites, schemes and methods for others though. Your favourite friend or grandmother. Still getting 25k a month yourself. Your earning for them. You may come across some things that earns them 50k a month. Or several things that was earning for them.

      :-)
      There is another loophole, go to a casino, and put the $25k equally on red and black!

      That way the $25k, is cleaned or derived from winnings from gambling.

      So technically l could get $25k a month, go to the high rollers table, clean it, and then go home to use it in any way l want!!! He, he!


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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    The main issue for me would be that I am not allowed to save or invest any excess money. This would be OK if I am on my own but I have a family and don't want the tap to be suddenly turned off when I am gone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Derek -

      Don't over think it! You can't buy property and resell it for profit....but you can buy property.

      What your family does with the property (houses, antique furnishings, diamonds) after you're gone isn't your problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      The main issue for me would be that I am not allowed to save or invest any excess money. This would be OK if I am on my own but I have a family and don't want the tap to be suddenly turned off when I am gone.
      Do you know how much life insurance you could buy with access to $300,000 per year?

      Life insurance doesn't earn you money.
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      • Profile picture of the author AffiliateWaves
        If it is real i will use this money to setup my dream web training institute ,buy necessary software and teach all needy peoples in my community with no fees.

        I enjoy in helping needy people and currently training 2 or 3 guys per month so they can earn some money for them.

        $25k is really a big sum for me and can really help me in reaching my goals to train 10 -15 guys per month.

        I will really enjoy life then by helping needy peoples.

        I will gladly accept it ,if it is real
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    No way! I cannot be bought...













    .. for less than 100 million dollars.
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      Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

      No way! I cannot be bought...













      .. for less than 100 million dollars.
      Zimbabwean dollars?
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    If I understand correctly, here's what I'd do.

    Take it. Have fun. Research things I'm interested in.
    Do volunteer work. Save a ton in a mattress.

    Then, if and when I wanted to go back into business,
    I'd have quite a war chest and a lot of knowledge
    to put to use.

    There are actually three businesses I'd buy right now
    if they would pan out as described. So, I'd probably
    buy something like these businesses when I was ready to
    turn the faucet off.

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    I'd take it in a heartbeat. I'd be allowed volunteer work - and I'd have money to spend on causes I really believe in and sometimes hurts to know I can't help with. I could live in the boonies and still have time to meet people that had like interests. I'd be able to travel the country doing the rock and gem thing I love to do.

    Such a proposition is a win/win for me. I don't care about making money - what I do love to do, I'd be able to do for free without qualms. The only thing I would need to change about my goals and needs are having enough already to pursue them full time.

    Um.................you never told where we can sign up for this money. I'm ready.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Reminds of my wife always wanting to win the lottery, whereas I always said I wanted to earn it!

    Although, I once had a mighty mean cue stick back in the day, and if I'm not mistaken casino's have pool tournaments... might be tempted to take up billiards again. Managed to turn $10 into a hundred or more daily at the age of 14 in a blue collar bar, and loved every minute of it!

    On second thought, (or was it the first) I'd decline. Too heavily invested in the thrill of the chase, for me it's not about the money or prestige, it's establishing self-worth on a higher level, and of course having the stones to turn dirt into gold. Plus, I always wanted to be a philanthropist... so maybe one day, I'll propose such an offer to someone, just for kicks... never know.
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    What's the point of this question? I'm not attacking it, I'm just curious what the OP intends to learn from the answers.

    Here's mine... as explained initially, the OP basically just described my retirement plan. So would I take that deal today, knowing that bigger numbers are already on the table this year?

    Yes, without question.

    In fact, I'd say that anyone who's saying "No" for reasons other than a moral aversion to accepting it either can't do math or has an unrealistic expectation of their earning potential and the costs associated with it.

    Let's look at this two ways. First, as a retirement income, in order to net $300k after taxes then (assuming the capital gains tax rate of 15% doesn't change) I'd have to have a secure source of retirement income that returned about $350k a year pre-tax. The only guaranteed way to do this would result in a maximum net return of about 5% interest, which means I would have to have $7 million liquid on the day I retire to draw that interest from; $7 million @ 5% = $350k, take away 15% tax and you're left with roughly $300k).

    So, when looking at it from the "retirement" perspective, ask yourself how long it will take you to bank - not MAKE - but BANK $7 million. How much would you have to make to reach the point where $7 million of that number can be tucked away and never spent, so it can be the source of the return that pays you $300k annually? I could make $7 million before the year is over, but how much of that would I actually get to put in my pocket that isn't going to overhead, employee/outsourcing costs, marketing costs, and of course my own existing salary and expenses etc? Maybe $500k of it, if I'm lucky... So, assuming there were NO curveballs ever thrown at me and I was able to do that consistently we're looking at roughly 14 years before I would have $7 million unused dollars in order to draw a $300k retirement income from. And that's ONLY if everything goes exactly as planned.

    Or, I could take the OP's deal and start making my target retirement income today, without having to figure out how to make $7 million a year to do it? That's a much better deal.

    Here's the other way I look at it ... I'm 35, let's say I'm going to live to be 95. Taking the OP's offer, that's roughly $18 million between now and the day I die. That's cash money, tax-free, and the only "strings" are things I wouldn't be doing anyway if I was retired? I'm not seeing a down side.

    Yes, it's significantly less than my "earning potential" - remember, I'll bring in $7 million this year. That's certainly a bigger number than the $300k the OP is offered. And even if I can only tuck $500k of that $7 million away into a dedicated retirement savings, that's STILL a bigger number than $300k. So why is the OP's offer still a better deal? Because his offer, at least given the terms of this experiment, is guaranteed.

    Mine isn't.

    My plan relies not only on my making the right decisions to produce that income, but also my ABILITY to make those decisions. Economic factors can change that. Personal injury can change that. There are many external factors to consider, along with the cost to make the money. We have a government that seems hell bent on forcing wages up - that makes things more expensive for me. Maybe I can make that $7 million every year consistently, but if the cost of making it continues to rise outside of my control, is it worth it? Is it worth working 8 hours a day 5 days a week to net $300k when I could take that same $300k and skip the rate race? No way.

    Anyway, there's my answer. When I was 20 my answer probably would have been "hell no" to taking such an offer... But as you get older you think about money and retirement differently. At least you should. If you've already planned on a certain retirement income and a path to take it early presents itself, take it. I'd much rather exit the race and live the retiree lifestyle while I'm still young enough to do things I won't be able to do when I'm 60 than wait it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Claude's post did make me pause to reflect.

    When I was a fairly young man, I did have
    a very negative experience with unearned money.

    Never did get along with my dad and we tried
    a lot before I gave up even trying to have a
    relationship. (As a related example, he took
    it as a personal rejection when I told him I wanted
    to put myself through college instead of going on
    his dime. Besides my wanting to accomplish this,
    I was actually trying to emulate him.)

    Anyway, while still trying this tangled relationship,
    I accepted an offer of a loan from dad to buy real estate.
    (He was a WWII vet and in a profession and tried to push,
    and projected, a lot of his materialistic values on us kids.)
    So, part of it was him pushing me to have more for my
    comfort - and as much for his pride .

    It was supposed to be a loan that I would pay back after
    I flipped the property. When I tried to pay him back,
    he refused to take the repayment.

    I went on and did three more investment homes,
    but it always bothered me that I did not do it myself.
    So, in a process I describe as a spiritual regurgitation,
    I sold all the houses and lived an unhappy, dispirited,
    unproductive year off the proceeds.

    So, now and only speaking for myself, I'd turn it down
    because that would be what is best for me and the way
    I am built.

    The end.

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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Ok let's toss a "where does the money come from" story into the mix.

      It comes from a super super rich benefactor. This person (called HeySal :-)) came to the Earth's rescue. Co2 continued to be released into the Earth's atmosphere. Global warming was an undeniable fact and it was mostly caused by the burning of coal and oil. No doubts (in this scenario)

      The world was at a tipping point, to stop using and slow global warming down but have no or really expensive power.. solar wind, and water power provided some relief. Nuclear fission as well but no-one wanted the radioactivity and danger and even together they could not provide the energy needs for the world (run with me here!) Nuclear fusion experiments had failed.

      Then, inexplicably news surfaces that oil and gas and coal stocks were fast running out.

      The world leaders put out a plea to anyone out there who can come up with a solution to power the world please come forward.

      The person comes forward and reveals their entirely new substance made from unbelievably profusely available materials on earth, in space, It is everywhere and provides dirt cheap, clean energy. Power consumption is restored and stable. Global warming slows down. The persons unique formula for combining these substances is the solution!

      Economically everyone is just a little better off (a little) Economies after some upheaval and adjustments of the effects of the oil, companies, gas and coal putting there wealth and efforts into other things etc. the world becomes a little more of a level playing field. a more stable place.

      Some are still a lot richer than others though as new opportunities arise. This does not change.

      The governments club together with some surplus cash they now have and want to reward this person, billions, a drop in the bucket. Does not hurt the worlds economy or make any difference to the population in terms of wealth. The person gives a lot to charities but also likes to study the human psyche. so the person offers select bunches of people the 25k a month deal to see what they would do? How would it pan out! how would they adjust! This person loves the warrior forum off topic section to so your in the right place. :-)

      So the money source not an issue here as does not affect anyone's overall wealth or well being. Just a grateful world rewarding a savior, each gives a tiny slice in the grand scheme of things.

      Got carried away there making up stories, perhaps someone could make a film?

      Does that affect anyone's decision not to accept the offer.
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        Story or not - in the end my life is all about me. Take money to make it easier and more fun? You betcha.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Story or not - in the end my life is all about me. Take money to make it easier and more fun? You betcha.
          Look if you don't want the money just come right out and say it :-)

          Ok. The JP Morgan Claude Riffle Bank of Yugoslavia is now open to service your requests!
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Ok let's toss a "where does the money come from" story into the mix.

        It comes from a super super rich benefactor. This person (called HeySal :-)) came to the Earth's rescue. Co2 continued to be released into the Earth's atmosphere. Global warming was an undeniable fact and it was mostly caused by the burning of coal and oil. No doubts (in this scenario)

        The world was at a tipping point, to stop using and slow global warming down but have no or really expensive power.. solar wind, and water power provided some relief. Nuclear fission as well but no-one wanted the radioactivity and danger and even together they could not provide the energy needs for the world (run with me here!) Nuclear fusion experiments had failed.

        Then, inexplicably news surfaces that oil and gas and coal stocks were fast running out.

        The world leaders put out a plea to anyone out there who can come up with a solution to power the world please come forward.

        The person comes forward and reveals their entirely new substance made from unbelievably profusely available materials on earth, in space, It is everywhere and provides dirt cheap, clean energy. Power consumption is restored and stable. Global warming slows down. The persons unique formula for combining these substances is the solution!

        Economically everyone is just a little better off (a little) Economies after some upheaval and adjustments of the effects of the oil, companies, gas and coal putting there wealth and efforts into other things etc. the world becomes a little more of a level playing field. a more stable place.

        Some are still a lot richer than others though as new opportunities arise. This does not change.

        The governments club together with some surplus cash they now have and want to reward this person, billions, a drop in the bucket. Does not hurt the worlds economy or make any difference to the population in terms of wealth. The person gives a lot to charities but also likes to study the human psyche. so the person offers select bunches of people the 25k a month deal to see what they would do? How would it pan out! how would they adjust! This person loves the warrior forum off topic section to so your in the right place. :-)

        So the money source not an issue here as does not affect anyone's overall wealth or well being. Just a grateful world rewarding a savior, each gives a tiny slice in the grand scheme of things.

        Got carried away there making up stories, perhaps someone could make a film?

        Does that affect anyone's decision not to accept the offer.
        First, I have to say that this was a wonderful story, that I enjoyed. Drama, irony, pathos, Sal, irony...heaps of irony...and more irony...with just a touch of more irony.

        No, I still wouldn't take the money. I may want to learn more about the benefactor. Maybe even talk to her. But have them give me money? No.
        I'd like to read the results of the study, though.


        Now, if someone said "I'll give you $25,000 a month to distribute to others as you see fit. I'll pay the money, you dole it out. And nobody will know that you are involved", I may take it as a side project.

        Besides, if I accepted money from Sal, she would put me on a strict diet, and make me wear her custom made Conan The Barbarian bondage costume...with the remote control zippers.

        On second thought..how much were we talking?
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          First, I have to say that this was a wonderful story, that I enjoyed. Drama, irony, pathos, Sal, irony...heaps of irony...and more irony...with just a touch of more irony.

          No, I still wouldn't take the money. I may want to learn more about the benefactor. Maybe even talk to her. But have them give me money? No.
          I'd like to read the results of the study, though.


          Now, if someone said "I'll give you $25,000 a month to distribute to others as you see fit. I'll pay the money, you dole it out. And nobody will know that you are involved", I may take it as a side project.

          Besides, if I accepted money from Sal, she would put me on a strict diet, and make me wear her custom made Conan The Barbarian bondage costume...with the remote control zippers.

          On second thought..how much were we talking?
          Hmm It was ok but lacking in Irony in retrospect. I shall just pop down to the Ironymongers.

          Oh so you'd like to meet this person. A bit reclusive but you can try. Names Benny Factor

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          I just clicked on your new link in your sig by the way, was disappointed as I had expected to see pictures of your toilet. But then I realized that I was not wearing my glasses, Thought it said claudesbog. Honest Mistake!
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            Hmm It was ok but lacking in Irony in retrospect. I shall just pop down to the Ironymongers.

            Oh so you'd like to meet this person. A bit reclusive but you can try. Names Benny Factor

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            I just clicked on your new link in your sig by the way, was disappointed as I had expected to see pictures of your toilet. But then I realized that I was not wearing my glasses, Thought it said claudesbog. Honest Mistake!
            That's OK, Riffle went on the site, thinking it was claudesbod.com. :rolleyes:

            And Ian; It's only funny and ironic if the benefactor is named Sal.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              First, I have to say that this was a wonderful story, that I enjoyed. Drama, irony, pathos, Sal, irony...heaps of irony...and more irony...with just a touch of more irony.

              No, I still wouldn't take the money. I may want to learn more about the benefactor. Maybe even talk to her. But have them give me money? No.
              I'd like to read the results of the study, though.


              Now, if someone said "I'll give you $25,000 a month to distribute to others as you see fit. I'll pay the money, you dole it out. And nobody will know that you are involved", I may take it as a side project.

              Besides, if I accepted money from Sal, she would put me on a strict diet, and make me wear her custom made Conan The Barbarian bondage costume...with the remote control zippers.

              On second thought..how much were we talking?
              You are in for it now! He, he!


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