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Scotland Votes In 7 Months To Leave The UK Or Not:

by TLTheLiberator
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In about 7 months there will be a national referendum on breaking up the 300+ year union first brought on by Scottish King James when he also inherited the English throne after the death of Elizabeth the first.


Will the Scots leave?

I remember Shawn Connery of James Bond fame talking about how and why Scotland needs to be independent.


BTW...

If it does happen, English authorities say the Scots won't be able to take the British pound with them.
  • Profile picture of the author JimDucharme
    I hope it does. Frozen Haggus tossing should be in the winter Olympics!

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    • Profile picture of the author lived
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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      I remember Shawn Connery of Jame Bond fame talking about how and why Scotland needs to be independent.
      Sean and James. I guess you were in a rush when you wrote it, huh!

      Originally Posted by JimDucharme View Post

      Frozen Haggus tossing should be in the winter Olympics!
      Haggis.

      Maybe you were in a rush as well Jim!


      Never wise to trust Americans and Canadians to post comments on the UK, when in reality they're about as clued up as an eastern european arriving on the shores of blighty with a hand drafted master craftsmen qualification.

      No disrespect meant; it works in reverse as most Brits crossing the pond experience a vast culture and awareness experience.

      Hand on heart, I can always say I always spelled Barock Obamah and Clent Eastward correctly.

      As for Scotland leaving the UK; They wouldn't last a minute. Every aspect of Scottish life is subsidised to a certain degree by the English parliament. It won't happen, and the vote will fully reflect that.
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by lived View Post

        Sean and James. I guess you were in a rush when you wrote it, huh!



        Haggis.

        Maybe you were in a rush as well Jim!


        Never wise to trust Americans and Canadians to post comments on the UK, when in reality they're about as clued up as an eastern european arriving on the shores of blighty with a hand drafted master craftsmen qualification.

        No disrespect meant; it works in reverse as most Brits crossing the pond experience a vast culture and awareness experience.

        Hand on heart, I can always say I always spelled Barock Obamah and Clent Eastward correctly.

        As for Scotland leaving the UK; They wouldn't last a minute. Every aspect of Scottish life is subsidised to a certain degree by the English parliament. It won't happen, and the vote will fully reflect that.
        Look bud all we did was misspell a couple of words just like you misspelled subsidized above - or maybe that's the British spelling of the word.

        We'll see if your prediction is correct.

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      • Profile picture of the author JimDucharme
        Originally Posted by lived View Post

        Sean and James. I guess you were in a rush when you wrote it, huh!



        Haggis.

        Maybe you were in a rush as well Jim!


        Never wise to trust Americans and Canadians to post comments on the UK, when in reality they're about as clued up as an eastern european arriving on the shores of blighty with a hand drafted master craftsmen qualification.

        No disrespect meant; it works in reverse as most Brits crossing the pond experience a vast culture and awareness experience.

        Hand on heart, I can always say I always spelled Barock Obamah and Clent Eastward correctly.

        As for Scotland leaving the UK; They wouldn't last a minute. Every aspect of Scottish life is subsidised to a certain degree by the English parliament. It won't happen, and the vote will fully reflect that.
        Spell it anyway you like, but it's still something which is better to freeze and toss for distance than eat and toss up for taste .

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        jim
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Jim,

        You might have been more accurate than you thought. Here's an excerpt from “The English Huswife” by Gervase Markham, dating from 1615:

        Section:Skill in Oate meale
        ...oat-meale mixed with blood, and the Liver of either Sheepe, Calfe or Swine, maketh that pudding which is called the Haggas or Haggus, of whose goodnesse it is in vaine to boast, because there is hardly to be found a man that doth not affect them        .
        Source: Haggis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        Originally Posted by lived View Post

        Never wise to trust Americans and Canadians to post comments on the UK, when in reality they're about as clued up as an eastern european arriving on the shores of blighty with a hand drafted master craftsmen qualification.
        It's never wise to make sweeping cultural or national generalizations (z intentional) based on nothing more than a spelling error. All that does is suggest an underlying prejudice on your part.


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        • Profile picture of the author JimDucharme
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          Jim,

          You might have been more accurate than you thought. Here's an excerpt from "The English Huswife" by Gervase Markham, dating from 1615:

          Section:Skill in Oate meale
          ...oat-meale mixed with blood, and the Liver of either Sheepe, Calfe or Swine, maketh that pudding which is called the Haggas or Haggus, of whose goodnesse it is in vaine to boast, because there is hardly to be found a man that doth not affect them          .
          Source: Haggis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



          It's never wise to make sweeping cultural or national generalizations (z intentional) based on nothing more than a spelling error. All that does is suggest an underlying prejudice on your part.


          Frank
          Thanks Frank! But in all honesty, I'd be lying if I claimed I had never done the same thing!

          Regards,
          jim
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        • Profile picture of the author lived
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          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          It's never wise to make sweeping cultural or national generalizations (z intentional) based on nothing more than a spelling error. All that does is suggest an underlying prejudice on your part.
          Underlying prejudice. Moi? You cannot be serious.

          Great stuff Frank. If I didn't know any better I'd say you were a yank. Oh, I see you're British. Cheers.
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          • Profile picture of the author JimDucharme
            Originally Posted by lived View Post

            Underlying prejudice. Moi? You cannot be serious.

            Great stuff Frank. If I didn't know any better I'd say you were a yank. Oh, I see you're British. Cheers.

            I bet you're big fun at parties.

            Regards,
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Jim,
              I bet you're big fun at parties.
              You can count on him for a devil of a time....


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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                Jim,You can count on him for a devil of a time....


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                His thinking does seem a little "backwards".
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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  Kurt,
                  His thinking does seem a little "backwards".
                  I was wondering who else had noticed the "similarities."


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                    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                    Kurt,I was wondering who else had noticed the "similarities."


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                    That answers two questions.

                    1) is it a permanent hiatus
                    2) man that sounds like ...
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                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                      1) is it a permanent hiatus
                      It's pretty much impossible to totally block someone online whose life is so empty they can't resist going where they're not wanted and have been told to stay out of.

                      He's already had one duplicate account banned since the original. For someone who complained so bitterly about how bad the place was, and who regularly disparaged a good chunk of the membership, one has to wonder what sort of ego boost he gets from the game.

                      Whatever. It's his issue.


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              • Profile picture of the author JimDucharme
                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                Jim,You can count on him for a devil of a time....


                Paul
                Damn it Paul! You told me you had banned Satan!

                Oh well, I consider the source when it comes to trolls.

                Ken - one interesting thing about the EU...when I was in Belgium they readily accepted my Canadian money at the airport or my US dollars. While in the US, there's no way they will. In fact, when I mentioned how surprised I was at this, they seemed shocked. Just an interesting tidbit.

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                  Jim,
                  Damn it Paul! You told me you had banned Satan!
                  Which one? The hockey player would be welcome here, despite his susceptibility to laryngitis.

                  The more recent... Yeah. Twice, so far. The third is coming soon to a forum near you.


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                  • Profile picture of the author JimDucharme
                    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                    Jim,Which one? The hockey player would be welcome here, despite his susceptibility to laryngitis.

                    The more recent... Yeah. Twice, so far. The third is coming soon to a forum near you.


                    Paul
                    So many basement apartments...so many trolls.

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                • Profile picture of the author Thomas
                  Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

                  I've always admired the UK for staying out of the EU and retaining all the things that comprise their culture and independence.
                  I think you're misinformed Ken. The UK (and, by extension, Soctland) has/have been part of the European Union (and it's direct predecessor) for more than 40 years.

                  As much as I personally dislike the idea of a European federation set up along the lines of the US (which is the direction some want to take the EU), I think may people are pretty misinformed about the supposed impact of the present-day organisation on both national culture (i.e. very little) and independence (i.e. a bit, but nothing remotely close to the extent claimed by ardent Eurosceptics).

                  Many think EU member states are like US states, subservient to a federal government. They aren't. They are independent nation states who all retain many options for opting out of various EU rules and regulations as they see fit. The rough European equivalent of the US federal government executive is the Council of the European Union, which is actually composed of nationally-elected politicians from each member state, most of whom can't even agree on the time of day, let alone stuff that actually matters.
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                    Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

                    I think you're misinformed Ken. The UK (and, by extension, Soctland) has/have been part of the European Union (and it's direct predecessor) for more than 40 years.

                    As much as I personally dislike the idea of a European federation set up along the lines of the US (which is the direction some want to take the EU), I think may people are pretty misinformed about the supposed impact of the present-day organisation on both national culture (i.e. very little) and independence (i.e. a bit, but nothing remotely close to the extent claimed by ardent Eurosceptics).

                    Many think EU member states are like US states, subservient to a federal government. They aren't. They are independent nation states who all retain many options for opting out of various EU rules and regulations as they see fit. The rough European equivalent of the US federal government executive is the Council of the European Union, which is actually composed of nationally-elected politicians from each member state, most of whom can't even agree on the time of day, let alone stuff that actually matters.
                    Aren't - Yet. Are Independent nation states -- for now.
                    Anyone over here that's read enough US political history knows where that one goes in the long run.

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                  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                    Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

                    I think you're misinformed Ken. The UK (and, by extension, Soctland) has/have been part of the European Union (and it's direct predecessor) for more than 40 years.

                    As much as I personally dislike the idea of a European federation set up along the lines of the US (which is the direction some want to take the EU), I think may people are pretty misinformed about the supposed impact of the present-day organisation on both national culture (i.e. very little) and independence (i.e. a bit, but nothing remotely close to the extent claimed by ardent Eurosceptics).

                    Many think EU member states are like US states, subservient to a federal government. They aren't. They are independent nation states who all retain many options for opting out of various EU rules and regulations as they see fit. The rough European equivalent of the US federal government executive is the Council of the European Union, which is actually composed of nationally-elected politicians from each member state, most of whom can't even agree on the time of day, let alone stuff that actually matters.
                    Yes, the Brits are into the E.U. in every way except for the money.

                    My impression of what happened is the Brits egged everyone else to join along with the money but at the last minute - found reasons to pull out after everyone else had committed.

                    I wasn't surprised.
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    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

    If it does happen, English authorities say the Scots won't be able to take the British pound with them.
    Quite right. They can have the Euro.

    Independence, you see, comes with a price. You can't have your cake and eat it. If they want it, it's up to them but if you want to break up a union, you can't really expect all the shiny bits from the previous relationship.

    Doesn't work like that, independence means INDEPENDENCE.

    Personally I think it's a great shame but it's not up to me and at the moment, even the Scots seem to be fairly evenly split.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      Quite right. They can have the Euro.

      Independence, you see, comes with a price. You can't have your cake and eat it. If they want it, it's up to them but if you want to break up a union, you can't really expect all the shiny bits from the previous relationship.

      Doesn't work like that, independence means INDEPENDENCE.

      Personally I think it's a great shame but it's not up to me and at the moment, even the Scots seem to be fairly evenly split.
      Yea, I'm very curious as to what's going to happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Scotland would be smart to maintain the union if only for economic reasons and perhaps others I'm not aware of.

    The Euro and the EU was such a terrible idea for regular citizens at least. I just read a few days ago the EU is considering using the personal savings of citizens for various investments. Depending on where you read about it, many (some) interpret it as confiscation of savings. Here's an article from Reuters...

    Exclusive: EU executive sees personal savings used to plug long-term financing gap | Reuters

    I'd think the Scots would really like to not be a part of that.

    I've always admired the UK for staying out of the EU and retaining all the things that comprise their culture and independence. Just my personal thought/opinion without trying to be political.

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    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

    My impression of what happened is the Brits egged everyone else to join along with the money but at the last minute - found reasons to pull out after everyone else had committed.

    I wasn't surprised.
    Strange that because even though you're impression is completely wrong it's usually the British that get stuck in first when it comes to matters on Europe and wait for others to eventually get involved, usually later rather than sooner.

    I'm not a European. I'm English first, British second, and if Scotland vote for independance then that's up to them, but if it all goes tits up I'm pretty sure I know who'll get the blame.

    Also, it's no secret the British always wanted to keep the £, generally because of a inherited mistrust of certain European countries such as France and Germany. Being an American you probably wouldn't understand, but I'm not surprised.
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