The incredible GDP map that shows half of U.S. output is generated by a few cities

10 years ago

I traced back to the report used to make this map. As I read it - the map info is taken from a report of Mayors of cities. In that report the list linked below is listed....and there's something odd to me in this list.

http://www.usmayors.org/metroeconomi...311-report.pdf

Every city on the list shows a rise of billions of GDP output year after year - even Detroit. Really? Not one city went went down in any of the 4 years? Sounds like wishful-thinking accounting to me.

The map makes sense as big cities have the most people and the biggest number of corporate headquarters and financial centers.

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David Braybrooke 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Every city on the list shows a rise of billions of GDP output year after year - even Detroit. Really?

Detroit makes its millions from renting out office space in all its closed down car factories, and from selling tickets to Eminem shows. ... that may not actually be true.
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10 years ago

Kay, I love you for your mind! :rolleyes:

I saw a quote some time back that helps keep my thinking straight.

You can't believe everything you read on the Internet.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

I traced back to the report used to make this map. As I read it - the map info is taken from a report of Mayors of cities. In that report the list linked below is listed....and there's something odd to me in this list.

http://www.usmayors.org/metroeconomi...311-report.pdf

Every city on the list shows a rise of billions of GDP output year after year - even Detroit. Really? Not one city went went down in any of the 4 years? Sounds like wishful-thinking accounting to me.

The map makes sense as big cities have the most people and the biggest number of corporate headquarters and financial centers.

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

Real simple... and eye-opening.

The incredible GDP map that shows half of U.S. output is generated by a few cities - Capitol Report - MarketWatch

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Very interesting and not surprising that the major population centers would be producing a lot of the GDP of a nation.

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seasoned

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Very interesting and not surprising that the major population centers would be producing a lot of the GDP of a nation.

You somehow think population=production. OH if that were true! It ISN'T!

Taken as an absolute, it would mean that virtually *******NOTHING******* comes from germany, and that india would be THE major leader. It would mean that the ghettos would be doing FAR better than cisco, microsoft, etc... PUT TOGETHER.

Population thee days means almost nothing. Some companies with dozens of people do FAR better than some with hundreds.

As for population/GDP? Take a look at THIS:

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It indicates we aren't at the top, but we ARE above MANY. It shows rough output per person. The US is in the $25,600-51,200 range, And india is $800-1,600

Determined from https://www.google.com/#q=india+gdp 2012

INDIA 1.842 ~1,200,000,000=~1,535USD
US 15.68 ~330,000 =~47,515.15USD

BTW Germany is about 41,866USD

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TimPhelan

10 years ago

Absolutely ***********ZERO********* logic in this post. Comparing India to the US is ************CRAZY**********!!!!!!!!!!! India would have their own map that would look like this one. Nobody said population in one country equals GDP in all countries!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by seasoned

You somehow think population=production. OH if that were true! It ISN'T!

Taken as an absolute, it would mean that virtually *******NOTHING******* comes from germany, and that india would be THE major leader. It would mean that the ghettos would be doing FAR better than cisco, microsoft, etc... PUT TOGETHER.

Population thee days means almost nothing. Some companies with dozens of people do FAR better than some with hundreds.

As for population/GDP? Take a look at THIS:

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It indicates we aren't at the top, but we ARE above MANY. It shows rough output per person. The US is in the $25,600-51,200 range, And india is $800-1,600

Determined from https://www.google.com/#q=india+gdp 2012

INDIA 1.842 ~1,200,000,000=~1,535USD
US 15.68 ~330,000 =~47,515.15USD

BTW Germany is about 41,866USD

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MikeAmbrosio

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Absolutely ***********ZERO********* logic in this post. Comparing India to the US is ************CRAZY**********!!!!!!!!!!! India would have their own map that would look like this one. Nobody said population in one country equals GDP in all countries!!!!!!!!!!

LOL - seriously? Either you didn't read his post or you enjoy messing with Steve's post.

He based his "comparisons" on the assumption that population = productivity (which he clearly does not believe).

So yes, there is "logic" in his post showing how population does NOT = productivity.

But somehow, I think you already knew that

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TimPhelan

10 years ago

I was messing with him but he is still wrong in comparing India to the US. Nobody said that pure population equals productivity and especially regarding countries as different as India and the US. I would point out that all those spots on the first map are highly populated areas though. There isn't one that is farm country. That's just common sense and that is what TL was simply saying. By the way, why didn't you respond the same way to what Steve posted?

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

LOL - seriously? Either you didn't read his post or you enjoy messing with Steve's post.

He based his "comparisons" on the assumption that population = productivity (which he clearly does not believe).

So yes, there is "logic" in his post showing how population does NOT = productivity.

But somehow, I think you already knew that

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MikeAmbrosio

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I was messing with him but he is still wrong in comparing India to the US. Nobody said that pure population equals productivity and especially regarding countries as different as India and the US. I would point out that all those spots on the first map are highly populated areas though. There isn't one that is farm country. That's just common sense and that is what TL was simply saying.

I don't disagree with your logic. Steve (I believe) was responding to Gary's population density map comparison, not TL.

But I could be wrong.

And I know you like to mess with Steve...

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TimPhelan

10 years ago

Nope. That came after his post. I only mess with him because he messes with me and others and shouts while doing so. It's all in good fun.

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

I don't disagree with your logic. Steve (I believe) was responding to Gary's population density map comparison, not TL.

But I could be wrong.

And I know you like to mess with Steve...

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garyv

10 years ago

That map matches up almost exactly to a population density map:

http://udel.edu/~kgiannau/frec682/pr...ot_denstiy.png

So in reality, much more than 50% should be coming from those areas. According to the census, nearly 80% of the people live in these urban areas. So saying that 50% of the GDP comes from these places is not really a great endorsement. - It tells me that people in large cities are actually individually less productive.

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TimPhelan

10 years ago

Not really. The density map shows almost all or most of the urban areas whereas the other shows only the top few that make 50% of the gdp. They are not even close to being the same.

Originally Posted by garyv

That map matches up almost exactly to a population density map:

http://udel.edu/~kgiannau/frec682/pr...ot_denstiy.png

So in reality, much more than 50% should be coming from those areas. According to the census, nearly 80% of the people live in these urban areas. So saying that 50% of the GDP comes from these places is not really a great endorsement. - It tells me that people in large cities are actually individually less productive.

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garyv

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Not really. The density map shows almost all or most of the urban areas whereas the other shows only the top few that make 50% of the gdp. They are not even close to being the same.

You didn't really look at it did you - they are virtually identical.

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TimPhelan

10 years ago

Yes, virtually identical if you took away about 3000 green dots from one of them.

Originally Posted by garyv

You didn't really look at it did you - they are virtually identical.

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garyv

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Yes, virtually identical if you took away about 3000 green dots from one of them.

If you looked at the map, then you'd see that a green dot equals 10,000 people - not even close to being a large urban area - You have to look at the clusters of green dots, and then you'll see that these maps are almost identical. -- There are a few clusters that don't match up w/ the orange, but for the most part the major urban areas are indicated on both of these maps.

None the less- those orange spots definitely represent more than 50% of the United States' population.

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TimPhelan

10 years ago

OK, that's what I disagree with you about. Here's a map of the top 146 largest counties which equals about 50% of the US population. The area looks to me to be much larger than the map with orange spots leading me to believe that the orange spots amount to way less than 50% of the population. I would guess it is closer to 25%.

Half Of The United States Lives In These Counties - Business Insider

Originally Posted by garyv

None the less- those orange spots definitely represent more than 50% of the United States' population.

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garyv

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

OK, that's what I disagree with you about. Here's a map of the top 146 largest counties which equals about 50% of the US population. The area looks to me to be much larger than the map with orange spots leading me to believe that the orange spots amount to way less than 50% of the population. I would guess it is closer to 25%.

Half Of The United States Lives In These Counties - Business Insider

The map you've shown is of the counties where the people live - of course it's going to look like more area than an actual density map. Your map encompasses an entire county where the people live not just the specific point, like the cluster map and the gdp map does. In fact the GDP map I'm sure only specifies the exact work areas where the "goods & services" comes from. If you put my map, your map, and the original map over one another, you'd see that the gdp, and the population, line up nicely over most of these counties. Again, it's not exact, but it's close enough for my point to still be made. And the latest census has 80% of the population living in urban areas.

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TimPhelan

10 years ago

You're more stubborn than me!

Originally Posted by garyv

The map you've shown is of the counties where the people live - of course it's going to look like more area than an actual density map. Your map encompasses an entire county where the people live not just the specific point, like the cluster map and the gdp map does. In fact the GDP map I'm sure only specifies the exact work areas where the "goods & services" comes from. If you put my map, your map, and the original map over one another, you'd see that the gdp, and the population, line up nicely over most of these counties. Again, it's not exact, but it's close enough for my point to still be made. And the latest census has 80% of the population living in urban areas.

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garyv 10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

You're more stubborn than me!

ok that may be true.
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David Maschke

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

OK, that's what I disagree with you about. Here's a map of the top 146 largest counties which equals about 50% of the US population. The area looks to me to be much larger than the map with orange spots leading me to believe that the orange spots amount to way less than 50% of the population. I would guess it is closer to 25%.

Incredible observation. Well done.

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

That map matches up almost exactly to a population density map:

http://udel.edu/~kgiannau/frec682/pr...ot_denstiy.png

So in reality, much more than 50% should be coming from those areas. According to the census, nearly 80% of the people live in these urban areas.

So saying that 50% of the GDP comes from these places is not really a great endorsement. - It tells me that people in large cities are actually individually less productive.

Gary,

The map is not highlighting 50% of the population. It's saying 50% of the U.S. GDP output comes from those 20 or so areas.

I'm sure the population of those areas highlighted don't amount to anywhere close to 50% of the population even if you include their suburbs.

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seasoned

10 years ago

I don't believe the map at all, and TL said he found it believable because they had denser populations. So I simply shot that down. You can use whatever criteria you want for explaining why india population doesn't compare to the US population, religion..., laws...., culture...., etc... but whatever criteria you use, it still shows how the original point I made is valid. Should I equate a tenement building in Chicago to the home of steve wozniak and show how it applies in the US? You'd probably STILL say NO COMPARISON!

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TimPhelan

10 years ago

Like I said, India has it's own map and I'm sure it would also show most of the GNP comes from densely populated areas. Reread what TL said because you didn't shoot down anything.

Originally Posted by seasoned

I don't believe the map at all, and TL said he found it believable because they had denser populations. So I simply shot that down. You can use whatever criteria you want for explaining why india population doesn't compare to the US population, religion..., laws...., culture...., etc... but whatever criteria you use, it still shows how the original point I made is valid. Should I equate a tenement building in Chicago to the home of steve wozniak and show how it applies in the US? You'd probably STILL say NO COMPARISON!

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SteveJohnson

10 years ago

Wonder what the mayors would say when they're reminded that the blue part of the country feeds the orange blobs...

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

Wonder what the mayors would say when they're reminded that the blue part of the country feeds the orange blobs...

I bet they'd say...

"What in the world are you talking about?"

I sure wish you'd help me understand exactly what you mean when you say the blue part of the country feeds the orange blobs.

BTW, the only reason I'm responding is #1, I'd really like a clarification and #2, if your statement is unfounded I wouldn't want innocents to have the wrong impression of the USA because it is quite a statement.

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seasoned

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I bet they'd say...

"What in the world are you talking about?"

I sure wish you'd help me understand exactly what you mean when you say the blue part of the country feeds the orange blobs.

BTW, the only reason I'm responding is #1, I'd really like a clarification and #2, if your statement is unfounded I wouldn't want innocents to have the wrong impression of the USA because it is quite a statement.

He probably means that companies like microsoft depend on people in other areas to buy their products, etc... So most of their value is from places nowhere near their headquarters. HECK, everyone needs food, but tastes vary and it is created all over. so a particular area may not show up as in their group, but they may depend on it non the less.

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

He probably means that companies like microsoft depend on people in other areas to buy their products, etc... So most of their value is from places nowhere near their headquarters. HECK, everyone needs food, but tastes vary and it is created all over. so a particular area may not show up as in their group, but they may depend on it non the less.

Steve

I guess that makes sense since the rural areas in most countries are used to grow the food etc. for the country.

Would it be safe to say its a fair exchange especially since people in the orange areas are purchasing the foodstuffs etc.?

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I guess that makes sense since the rural areas in most countries are used to grow the food etc. for the country.

Would it be safe to say its a fair exchange especially since people in the orange areas are purchasing the foodstuffs etc.?

Yup, it certainly would.

And that is what I was getting at: the orange areas may generate the majority of the GDP, but without the rest of the country they don't eat. A symbiotic relationship

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10 years ago

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HeySal

10 years ago

First off - there are 19 spots on that map. The metro areas of 11 of those locations is almost 1/3 of the population of the US:
New York City 19.8 mil
Seattle - 3.5 mil
LA 12.8 mil
Chicago 9.5 mil
Detroit 4.2 mil
Dallas 19.7 mil
Denver 2.5 mil
Atlanta 5.4 mil
Boston 4.5 mil
DC 5.3 mil
Phoenix 4.2 mil
St. Louis 2.8 mil
St Paul 3.5 mil

Not sure how much another 8 cities would add to that, but don't have any more time to look stuff up and figure out which cities are represented by the dots.

So, you figure - large cities are where a vast majority of commerce in the US takes place, and I don't see one thing that is very incredible about this report at all.

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Kay King 10 years ago

Nothing incredible about it to me - except some of the data about it doesn't make sense(see my first post in this thread).

But it would make sense that PRODUCTION would be highest in those high-population areas....commerce/banks/factories/entertainment venues - all of those are concentrated in high density population cities.

But - it is a trade as the people in those cities would not be producting squat if they didn't have access to the foods and supplies from the less populated areas of the country. Cattle, corn, soybeans, fruit, wheat, poultry, pork....need space to grow.
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Banned 10 years ago

It's funny the Bakken oil area isn't even on the map considering it's equivalent to a modern day gold rush.

North Dakota alone has +25,000 jobs available with a low unemployment rate of less than 3%.

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