DISGUSTING!! What would YOU have done?

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Channel Nine News (Australia) won't allow embedding but if you click this link you'll watch the upsetting footage... Women filmed abusing (and bashing) blind man on Gold Coast bus

These two drunk stupid idiot women decided to attack and abuse a poor old blind man on a bus. I don't normally get emotional when I watch the news but this one actually made me yell at them. I was so angry that no one on the bus stopped it and let it go on for so long. If I was on that bus they would not have lasted very long!

I hope these two idiots get arrested and have to spend some time in the big house and while there I hope they do really really hard time. I was so upset after watching this.
  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    But what's the backstory? Who are these people? I am slow to pass judgement on matters such as this because I don't know what precipitated the attack exactly. It is disgusting behaviour in a public place, sure, but spending time in jail doing 'really, really hard time'? Aren't our prisons full to overflowing as it is? I don't like reading the 'b' word (unmasked) particularly, I think that it can be especially offensive to many women. And besides, were they really 'drunk'?
    Thanks for sharing.

    PS - What would I have done? Yelled at the girls to 'stop!' probably, without name-calling.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Too bad ya don't have guns down there. These two are a waste of oxygen. Doesn't matter if they were drunk or not. Animals have more dignity than those two.

    And - David - when a woman acts with that little dignity, bitch is an appropriate word. It's when men use the word as interchangeable with "woman" that it gets to be disgusting.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Too bad ya don't have guns down there.
      Yeah baby. Then you could just pull that sucker out and shoot anyone who pisses you off like we do here, unless you're suggesting that a blind man should be armed. lol. Lot of good that would do him.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Yeah baby. Then you could just pull that sucker out and shoot anyone who pisses you off like we do here, unless you're suggesting that a blind man should be armed. lol. Lot of good that would do him.
        Don't say that sort of thing. Some would take you seriously. You YOURSELF said you had access to guns, and how many people have YOU shot out of mere anger?

        But YEAH, even a PARTIALLY sighted person shouldn't take a gun in public like this.

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      • Profile picture of the author socialentry
        Probably nothing, the guy was in no real danger.

        I think it`s much ado about nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    I don't care what started it but he was an aboriginal man and they took offense at the colour of his skin according to what they were yelling.

    You don't start punching and kicking an old blind man for ANY reason! They are bitches - stupid ones at that. If there was ever a correct and justified usage of the term...this is it and I'd shout it out loud at them while grabbing them both by the hair, slamming their heads together and throwing them off the bus and I'd rather they were locked up than many others (e.g. fine defaulters).

    Bashing on blind elderly people - what could possibly justify that?
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    • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      And - David - when a woman acts with that little dignity, bitch is an appropriate word. It's when men use the word as interchangeable with "woman" that it gets to be disgusting.
      I see your point HeySal but I wasn't there when the incident happened and I couldn't work out all the facts from the footage and writeup alone. Maybe I am just a little more rational and less emotionally driven than some?

      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      ... I'd shout it out loud at them while grabbing them both by the hair, slamming their heads together and throwing them off the bus
      Well you might find yourself in the lockup for 'assault' if you did that Mr Bill.
      All I can say, once more, is that I wasn't there when it happened. How do you know the old guy didn't say something to them first (quietly etc). Maybe the 'b*tches' were provoked in some way and stupidity took over?
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

        But what's the backstory? Who are these people? I am slow to pass judgement on matters such as this because I don't know what precipitated the attack exactly.
        David; Your reasonable, non-insane opinion isn't welcome here. Asking questions? Wanting to know more before flying into a rage? What kind of nonsense is that? Here is another example of your ridiculous reaction.

        Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

        I see your point HeySal but I wasn't there when the incident happened and I couldn't work out all the facts from the footage and writeup alone. Maybe I am just a little more rational and less emotionally driven than some?
        There you go again. Can't you see that an immediate act of violence is the only way to deal with this situation? You weren't there? You need facts?
        I simply cannot understand your thinking. When someone acts violently, the only sane response is to act ...even more violently. Especially when you don't have all the facts. Why wait? You're mad now!

        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Basically - we have no idea what happened to begin with or what was said between them before the blow up. I don't think the racist part or even the blind part is of primary importance.

        What's disgusting is that adults would act like this in public at any time for any 'reason' toward any person. It's low class, unacceptable behavior.
        Kay: Who do you think you are? Just because you don't know what happened before or after the video...can't you just guess?

        And why do we need facts, when we can just go with our gut?
        You know...whatever our mood is. Remember, if you act violently toward someone...there are no consequences. Especially if the other person is acting badly. If you don't react emotionally, then nobody ends up getting hurt. And what's the fun in that?

        You and David need to wake up and smell the testosterone.

        I can promise you this; If everyone there just had a gun, there would have been less yelling. And arguments would be settled faster. Go team.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          When someone acts violently, the only sane response is to act ...even more violently. Especially when you don't have all the facts. Why wait? You're mad now!
          Ummm, because an old person was being killed perhaps?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    I'd GLADLY do time for that. GLADLY...any day! I'd be proud and honoured. Sometimes you have to take a stand. I would have defended him and anyone who says they wouldn't is a mug.

    There is no possible justifiction for what they did. None at all. What could a blind old man possibly say to justify what they did? There is nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      I'd GLADLY do time for that. GLADLY...any day! I'd be proud and honoured.
      And you'd possibly have a conviction and criminal record etc. Violence is rarely effectively combatted with more violence IMHO. If the old guy was being attacked by big, mean muscle-bound thug types, would you be so brave and retaliatory then? Just curious.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    Fantastic! I'd wear that criminal record with pride. Don't confuse violence with defense.

    Yes, of course I'd jump in ANYTIME someone was bashing an elderly blind person. Wouldn't you?! I bloody hope you would. This is not jumping into a pub brawl, this is defending a poor old blind man for crying out loud. I hope you're not suggesting you would have just sat there and let it happen.

    I think I'm just as furious at everyone else on the bus for not doing anything. I could not believe it went on for that long. I was yelling at the TV for someone to step in and defend the poor old guy.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      Yes, of course I'd jump in ANYTIME someone was bashing an elderly blind person. Wouldn't you?! I bloody hope you would.
      What happens if the 'bashers' also had firearms and were threatening to use them? To be honest Mr Bill, it would depend on the situation and if there was a real chance for me to assist effectively. I wouldn't want to potentially die from a skirmish where I intervened. In this case, with the women, I believe I would do everything humanly possible to assist the old guy, short of actually assaulting someone else. A difficult situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Some people are plain psycho. Hookers, right? At least they set may 'ho'dar off.

    (I've got nothing against prostitutes per se, but have seen my fair share of them scrapping on the street, even pulling knives out.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    There's nothing difficult about it - guns or not. There's no time when an elderly person is being harassed (let alone bashed!) for niceties or worrying about being politically correct. Anyone ANYONE who would stand by and let that happen is as bad as the offenders themselves. That situation clearly needed force to stop the assault. Being nice and political would have done nothing to help the old man.

    Do you think the police would have been all nice and polite? They would've slammed those bitches on the ground, cuffed and thrown them into a paddy wagon with force and hopefully maced their arses in the process.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      There's nothing difficult about it - guns or not. There's no time when an elderly person is being harassed (let alone bashed!) for niceties or worrying about being politically correct. Anyone ANYONE who would stand by and let that happen is as bad as the offenders themselves. That situation clearly needed force to stop the assault. Being nice and political would have done nothing to help the old man.

      Do you think the police would have been all nice and polite? They would've slammed those bitches on the ground, cuffed and thrown them into a paddy wagon with force and hopefully maced their arses in the process.
      Disagreed. I never apologise for considering my own safety as well!. You can play the hero. As stated, once again, it would depend on the specific situation and how much instinctive fear I was feeling at the time. I have assisted people in difficult situations before and am proud to admit it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
        Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

        ... You can play the hero...
        You don't need to be a "hero" to defend an elderly person - you just have to be a decent human being. No way, (guns, knives, bats or whatever) I could stand by and let that happen. If I died defending a defenseless old person; I can think of worse ways to go.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      There's nothing difficult about it - guns or not. There's no time when an elderly person is being harassed (let alone bashed!) for niceties or worrying about being politically correct. Anyone ANYONE who would stand by and let that happen is as bad as the offenders themselves. That situation clearly needed force to stop the assault. Being nice and political would have done nothing to help the old man.

      Do you think the police would have been all nice and polite? They would've slammed those bitches on the ground, cuffed and thrown them into a paddy wagon with force and hopefully maced their arses in the process.

      In America the cops would have tased them senseless.

      I agree with you. What if the old man did insult them? He can't even SEE who he's insulting, and there is nobody that should sit and watch someone defenseless being attacked. Saying something "offensive" to someone is a far cry from attacking them physically. If people can't act with at least the decency of most animals, they don't need to exist. Half of what is wrong with this world is that people have become cowards because our leaders tell us that is how we are supposed to be. So what if the attackers are big boys? Then maybe it takes more than one to shut them down. Maybe they ARE armed - in which case armed citizens need to take them down and fast because someone with this kind of mentality will use those weapons to victimize.

      In a world that is to have the WHOLE globe fighting because of short resources, we don't need violent assholes running around sucking up oxygen. Being oh so tolerant and understanding is exactly why violence proliferates. If you have people guessing whether their own butt is going to get filled with lead for acting like a mindless zombie - they think before they do this kind of crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Some people are plain psycho. Hookers, right? At least they set may whoredar off.

      (I've got nothing against prostitutes per se, but have seen my fair share of them scrapping on the street, even pulling knives out.)
      Not sure if they were hookers but the story said they were drunk after a day at the races.

      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      How do you know he's blind? Do you have other links to this story?
      It was mentioned in the news story.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
        Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

        ... but the story said they were drunk after a day at the races.
        Must have missed that, thanks.

        Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

        You don't need to be a "hero" to defend an elderly person - you just have to be a decent human being. No way, (guns, knives, bats or whatever) I could stand by and let that happen.
        You're entitled to your opinion, and say, Mr Bill. I class myself as a 'decent human being' and refuse to be drawn further. Have a great night!
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

        Not sure if they were hookers but the story said they were drunk after a day at the races.



        It was mentioned in the news story.
        Yeah. I caught that information after listening to it again. I guess my 'ho'dar was wrong as well -- sisters at the races. They were just dressing in a similar way as street hookers in Vancouver do. Anyway, sheesh, very disturbing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          ... I guess my whoredar was wrong as well..
          Not sure you were that wrong. I'd say it's working perfectly.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    All right, one final say. We've had the 'b' word and the 'w' word in this thread. Maybe it's time for the 'm' word too? As in misogyny perhaps, anyone?

    A horrible incident all 'round but I refuse to get in to a name calling situation over two women I've never met, and likely never will. Maybe we can look on the bright side here, they have the footage of their alleged drunken spat up online to remind them of their appalling behaviour. Who knows, they may yet still be charged too? Regards to all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    I'm not a misogynist anymore than you're a coward David Braybrooke. I'm just against old blind people being bashed by anyone like all normal people. I wonder if you'd stand by so easily if it was your Dad or your Mum (or someone you cared about) who was being attacked.

    Those (particular) girls; they are bitches in every sense of the term. If it was dudes they'd be bar-stards, assholes, dickheads, morons any other apt description I can think of. Scum of the earth and they need to be stood up to.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alast
    It's interesting how the use of 'elderly' is being used repetitively. Sure, he was old.. but what if he was young? What if he wasn't blind? Is it just elderly people you defend, or would you defend anyone in similar circumstances?

    For example:

    If a small, 18 year old male was minding his own business on his way home from University, and starts getting abused by some girls, would you jump in and help?

    I completely agree: it should not have gotten to that stage, but you need to understand that for every action there is a consequence. Maybe doing time seems like a good idea for you, but not everyone will hurt someone merely to defend another person and be willing to face the consequences. You should be able to defend anyone without facing potential jail time, but that's not how the system works. Would you really have been any better than those girls had you been there and hurt them?

    I'm not disagreeing with you, but it seems as though you're fighting fire with fire, and trying to be a 'hero' as a result.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
      Originally Posted by Alast View Post

      It's interesting how the use of 'elderly' is being used repetitively. Sure, he was old.. but what if he was young? What if he wasn't blind? Is it just elderly people you defend, or would you defend anyone in similar circumstances?

      For example:

      If a small, 18 year old male was minding his own business on his way home from University, and starts getting abused by some girls, would you jump in and help?
      Of course.

      Originally Posted by Alast View Post

      I completely agree: it should not have gotten to that stage, but you need to understand that for every action there is a consequence.
      I do understand that but not sure what you're point is in this context. Are you talking about their actions in the attack? Or that the old man might have had it coming?

      Originally Posted by Alast View Post

      Maybe doing time seems like a good idea for you...,
      I didn't say it was a good idea...lol Who would say that? I said I was willing to face any consequences that society deemed it necessary to deal out to me for my actions in jumping to the defence of an old person (and yes in this case we're talking about an old person) who was being bashed.

      Originally Posted by Alast View Post

      ...but not everyone will hurt someone merely to defend another person and be willing to face the consequences.
      Then they would have to live with that. I'd have no problem with it and would frankly think less of them - at least in this case I would.

      Originally Posted by Alast View Post

      You should be able to defend anyone without facing potential jail time, but that's not how the system works. Would you really have been any better than those girls had you been there and hurt them?
      No contest! Much better!

      Originally Posted by Alast View Post

      I'm not disagreeing with you, but it seems as though you're fighting fire with fire, and trying to be a 'hero' as a result.
      I'm not trying to be a hero - do you really have to be a hero to step in to stop an old (especially blind!) person from being bashed?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Went to the link and watched the video. I didn't see a mention of his being blind - did I miss that?

    At any rate, from where the video starts, there's no way to know what precluded the incident that was filmed. For example, did the old guy "accidentally" touch one of them inappropriately? Say something offensive? My own dad, while not blind, is in his mid seventies and still says inappropriate things to people - women in particular.

    And watching this video, I have to ask just how blind he is, since it seems when one of the women came towards him, he went in to a defensive posture, as if he could see it coming.

    These are the reasons I don't make judgements based on cell phone videos that start in the middle of some altercation.

    However...

    If this is indeed a case of 2 idiot girls beating a defenseless old blind guy then yes, I would have intervened. And some guy on the bus did.

    Just goes to show that there are idiots in every corner of the globe
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    The blindness was mentioned on the news report in which they showed the video. The abuse they were hurling was racist and if he'd done anything like that it seems to me they'd be screaming and saying something about it but they were taunting him then just lost their temper it seems from the footage and just decided to start laying into him.

    They seemed to stop and then started on him again. Then they started on a lady with a baby hurling abuse at her as well. It might be possible that the old blind guy and the lady with a baby did start something with them but it doesn't look likely.

    I've never understood that he has to make a complaint in order for them to be charged with assault though.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Thanks for the clarification.

    It's the same here with assault. The victim usually has to make the complaint. Not always, but usually.

    At the end of the day, there's probably more to this story that we don't know. Or - they were simply drunk girls (or whatever) picking on an old guy. Most likely we'll never know.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    In this case, I would intervene and get them off the bus about how it went down.
    It looks like an easy intervention. Drunk, partying female dogs over 1 year
    old - lol - who don't look like they really know how to fight.

    In other situations, I've been known to just react and realize later that
    may have been stupid if they had a gun or other weapon. Most of the
    time, I can get people to just knock it off by hollering or giving them
    the choice of going home or going to jail. One time somebody was being
    pounded and I grabbed and held the arm that the guy was using to hit
    the other guy- yelling knock it off the whole time. (This was a bar fight
    and there was a pile of bodies and others trying to break it up.)

    If someone does have a weapon, they are likely to have it out early rather than later.

    If something more violent or personally threatening to me or I know I can't
    handle is happening, I'll honk my horn or something like that and call the
    cops asap. If something was life threatening, or looked like serious physical
    injury, I would call the cops, or have someone do it, and do all I could to
    distract and intervene.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The abuse they were hurling was racist and if he'd done anything like that it seems to me they'd be screaming and saying something about it but they were taunting him then just lost their temper it seems from the footage and just decided to start laying into him.
      Basically - we have no idea what happened to begin with or what was said between them before the blow up. I don't think the racist part or even the blind part is of primary importance.

      What's disgusting is that adults would act like this in public at any time for any 'reason' toward any person. It's low class, unacceptable behavior.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Basically - we have no idea what happened to begin with or what was said between them before the blow up. I don't think the racist part or even the blind part is of primary importance.

        What's disgusting is that adults would act like this in public at any time for any 'reason' toward any person. It's low class, unacceptable behavior.
        I almost chimed in earlier. But this person apparently is either partially sighted or confident enough with his hearing. STILL, those girls had no place to be screaming like that, or hitting him, etc...

        I thought the aborigines were treated better in australia.

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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

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          I thought the aborigines were treated better in australia.

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          How on earth did you get that idea?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Claude - people that act violently like this do not understand nor react to reason. That's one of the fallacies of decent people....everyone responds to reason, right? The actions above show the working of a very psychotic mind. A psychotic mind is void of any real empathy - it can fake it for awhile, but it's just not there.......only self relevance exists in the mind of the psychotic. Unfortunately with the concentration of population bringing about existentialist feelings in people, and considering environmental poisons erroding our brain functions, psychosis is becoming quite prevalent.

    What the psychotic understands is self..........and as long as they feel they can do this crap to people without consequence, the more we will see it happening. The best way to "cure" these people of being a threat is to either potshot a few of them or to have several people stand up and knock the snot out of them instantly. The only way to stop this growing tendency to violence is to render it very unsafe to commit it.

    I know that isn't what "civilized" people want to hear or know. It's the truth though. People have to stop assuming that others are capable of civilized thought and start understanding psychotics are NOT going to give two shytes about rational reasoning.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Claude - people that act violently like this do not understand nor react to reason. That's one of the fallacies of decent people....everyone responds to reason, right? The actions above show the working of a very psychotic mind. A psychotic mind is void of any real empathy - it can fake it for awhile, but it's just not there.......only self relevance exists in the mind of the psychotic. Unfortunately with the concentration of population bringing about existentialist feelings in people, and considering environmental poisons erroding our brain functions, psychosis is becoming quite prevalent.

      What the psychotic understands is self..........and as long as they feel they can do this crap to people without consequence, the more we will see it happening. The best way to "cure" these people of being a threat is to either potshot a few of them or to have several people stand up and knock the snot out of them instantly. The only way to stop this growing tendency to violence is to render it very unsafe to commit it.

      I know that isn't what "civilized" people want to hear or know. It's the truth though. People have to stop assuming that others are capable of civilized thought and start understanding psychotics are NOT going to give two shytes about rational reasoning.
      Hmm - interesting. So basically you're saying that if someone acts with any sort of violence that they are simply psychotic and that's that? So good people never do bad things? Or stupid things? Those violent, psychotic girls who attacked a poor helpless blind guy for absolutely no reason should basically just be put down because they're beyond hope or repair?

      Really? You CAN'T be saying that, right?

      I think it's just as big a fallacy to think that someone who commits an act of violence are simply psychotic.

      In the case of this video, I really have no idea what provoked the assault. And neither do you. You're simply jumping on the band wagon (something you are particularly vocal about when others do it). How do you KNOW these girls are just violent for no reason? How do you KNOW they were unprovoked in their attack (maybe he grabbed their asses when they walked by)? How do you KNOW that was just some helpless old guy? Are you assuming that all old people are defenseless? If so, I'll introduce you to my 75 year old father - a man who is still an imposing figure and can probably kick the ass of someone half his age.

      You make an awful lot of assumptions in your post - don't you think? And your rationale about "what to do about those people" is about as uncivilized as you claim they are. After all - it's violent. And aren't you against that?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        ...I think it's just as big a fallacy to think that someone who commits an act of violence are simply psychotic. ...
        Perhaps "good people" can have moments of psychotic behaviour? Gaol is filled with people who had just one bad day. In those moments we must act because people's lives are in danger.

        If he did pinch their arses, I wouldn't know. All I'd see is two drunk morons beating the crap out of an old person. I'm pretty sure I'd have a very hard time standing by watching them do that.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

          Perhaps "good people" can have moments of psychotic behaviour? Gaol is filled with people who had just one bad day. In those moments we must act because people's lives are in danger.

          If he did pinch their arses, I wouldn't know. All I'd see is two drunk morons beating the crap out of an old person. I'm pretty sure I'd have a very hard time standing by watching them do that.
          Well, for one thing, I didn't see anything in that video that made me believe that guy was in any REAL danger. I saw very immature, most likely drunk dumbos smacking around someone.

          Not cool, to be sure. But hardly something for everyone to get their panties in a bunch over - or over react to. Frankly, I'm willing to bet that guy wasn't so much helpless as unwilling to hit a girl. Been there myself once many years ago. Said the wrong thing to some girl and she walloped me good (ha ha). I would never dream of hitting her back, so I just covered the face and let her go

          And mostly, my response was for Sal. I do that sometimes with Sal. She knows.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

            Well, for one thing, I didn't see anything in that video that made me believe that guy was in any REAL danger. I saw very immature, most likely drunk dumbos smacking around someone.

            Not cool, to be sure. But hardly something for everyone to get their panties in a bunch over - or over react to. Frankly, I'm willing to bet that guy wasn't so much helpless as unwilling to hit a girl. Been there myself once many years ago. Said the wrong thing to some girl and she walloped me good (ha ha). I would never dream of hitting her back, so I just covered the face and let her go

            And mostly, my response was for Sal. I do that sometimes with Sal. She knows.
            Bet your 75 yr old grandad wouldn't have just sat there quietly and watched them.

            Yeah - these two weren't actually drastic enough to shoot. They absolutely should have had a few teeth knocked down their throats, though. You stop that film and look at the expressions. You bet there's psychosis there - and I'll lay money on it that it won't be too long before one of em does get busted up. Good. That's what they need.

            Yes - I have done stupid things (wow, that's as much of an understatement as shooting that twat would be an overstatement) , but I have never attacked ANYONE that it wasn't self defense or the defense of someone else.

            And violence.......you really think you can reason with a truly violent/psychotic person? That's just civilized fantasy. You've been on the streets - don't tell me you sincerely think that some of those criminals give a shyte about reason. If people get so drunk or high that they go off without real cause -- well, that's one of those responsibility things, that if they go off on the wrong person, it might be their last mistake. And that's how it should be.

            Everyone yells about how it's not really someone's fault iif they do something while drunk or high. We're supposed to have empathy. When you get enough violent and psychotic people walking around, people who are emotional zombies, life becomes damned dangerous for everyone unless there is an equalizer. The only thing that these people understand is whether there is risk when they attack someone or not. So the only thing to chill out the criminally insane - is to let them know there is a very real risk in acting like cannibals. There are some places in this country that being "civilized" and kind and empathetic will get you killed.

            I know that for a fact. I was raised just next door to the most violent city in the country - it's worse than many third world countries now. If you go there unarmed and not ready to shoot anyone that messes with you, you're a walking target. That's why I know martial arts - it's why I took evasive driving instruction, and it's why I can shoot straight. Cannibals don't care about your morals or your empathy. The safer they feel, the more they binge on the "civilized". I've had to defend myself once too often, had to wait for ambulances with victims once too often, and worked at a crisis center where I saw one too many women die because a violent *sshole was let loose to go back after them, to not be serious about it.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

              Bet your 75 yr old grandad wouldn't have just sat there quietly and watched them.

              Yeah - these two weren't actually drastic enough to shoot. They absolutely should have had a few teeth knocked down their throats, though. You stop that film and look at the expressions. You bet there's psychosis there - and I'll lay money on it that it won't be too long before one of em does get busted up. Good. That's what they need.

              Yes - I have done stupid things (wow, that's as much of an understatement as shooting that twat would be an overstatement) , but I have never attacked ANYONE that it wasn't self defense or the defense of someone else.

              And violence.......you really think you can reason with a truly violent/psychotic person? That's just civilized fantasy. You've been on the streets - don't tell me you sincerely think that some of those criminals give a shyte about reason. If people get so drunk or high that they go off without real cause -- well, that's one of those responsibility things, that if they go off on the wrong person, it might be their last mistake. And that's how it should be.

              Everyone yells about how it's not really someone's fault iif they do something while drunk or high. We're supposed to have empathy. When you get enough violent and psychotic people walking around, people who are emotional zombies, life becomes damned dangerous for everyone unless there is an equalizer. The only thing that these people understand is whether there is risk when they attack someone or not. So the only thing to chill out the criminally insane - is to let them know there is a very real risk in acting like cannibals. There are some places in this country that being "civilized" and kind and empathetic will get you killed.

              I know that for a fact. I was raised just next door to the most violent city in the country - it's worse than many third world countries now. If you go there unarmed and not ready to shoot anyone that messes with you, you're a walking target. That's why I know martial arts - it's why I took evasive driving instruction, and it's why I can shoot straight. Cannibals don't care about your morals or your empathy. The safer they feel, the more they binge on the "civilized". I've had to defend myself once too often, had to wait for ambulances with victims once too often, and worked at a crisis center where I saw one too many women die because a violent *sshole was let loose to go back after them, to not be serious about it.
              Thanks for the response. Just 2 things...

              It's my 75 year old dad - no he would not have sat and done nothing (and neither would I have).

              And no, of course I don't think you can reason with a truly psychotic person. In your last response I assumed you were referring to the two dim bulbs in the video.

              I was also raised just 7 miles from - at the time - one of the most violent cities in the country (NY back in the mid-late 70's). Not a night went by where some violent thing happened in the city and was on the news.

              But with all that (and maybe BECAUSE of that) I still choose to see the inherent good in people overall. I am not blind, nor do I bury my head in the sand. I simply think that expending so much energy on looking for the negative is no good for people in general and me in particular.

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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                Everything about these women from their fashion to their speech...says "low class b***h" to me. Applying a label of drunk or drugged or psychotic attempts to explain/excuse. This is exhibitionist behavior - and I doubt it's the first time for these women.

                Other people getting involved could escalate the situation. This was an uncomfortable scene but not a dangerous one.
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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  Everything about these women from their fashion to their speech...says "low class b***h" to me. Applying a label of drunk or drugged or psychotic attempts to explain/excuse. This is exhibitionist behavior - and I doubt it's the first time for these women.

                  Other people getting involved could escalate the situation. This was an uncomfortable scene but not a dangerous one.
                  I don't have the bandwidth to watch the video, so I assumed that with all the gunslinging going on in the thread, that the man's life was seriously in danger. So, this was "uncomfortable, exhibitionist" behavior and they weren't beating the crap out of a blind guy? ... and this calls for bringing out the guns? Figures.:rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
      Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

      Heh. Those girls would've kicked your ass.
      Haha, probably. Most of the world could. I still didn't like seeing it and my gut reaction - even from 2,000 miles away was to get up instantly and intervene.

      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Probably nothing, the guy was in no real danger.

      I think it`s much ado about nothing.
      One single coward's punch can kill you. Kids have been getting killed down here quite regularly with just one punch - so much so they've just created a brand new law with very stiff penalties. These are fit young men being killed so I think a frail disabled old person would take less effort to kill.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Claude - people that act violently like this do not understand nor react to reason. That's one of the fallacies of decent people....everyone responds to reason, right? The actions above show the working of a very psychotic mind. A psychotic mind is void of any real empathy - it can fake it for awhile, but it's just not there.......only self relevance exists in the mind of the psychotic. Unfortunately with the concentration of population bringing about existentialist feelings in people, and considering environmental poisons erroding our brain functions, psychosis is becoming quite prevalent.

      What the psychotic understands is self..........and as long as they feel they can do this crap to people without consequence, the more we will see it happening. The best way to "cure" these people of being a threat is to either potshot a few of them or to have several people stand up and knock the snot out of them instantly. The only way to stop this growing tendency to violence is to render it very unsafe to commit it.

      I know that isn't what "civilized" people want to hear or know. It's the truth though. People have to stop assuming that others are capable of civilized thought and start understanding psychotics are NOT going to give two shytes about rational reasoning.
      Non-sequetor. Claude's comments weren't not about the two girls, but rather those on this thread that made assumptions without knowing the full story.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Non-sequetor. Claude's comments weren't not about the two girls, but rather those on this thread that made assumptions without knowing the full story.
        You said it better than I could.

        I watched the video. Was it disgusting behavior? To me it was. But I didn't see enough to form an opinion based on facts. And I was playing with the posters.

        And Kurt...thanks for making me look up "Non-sequitur"

        I'm just not quick to bring out the torches and pitchforks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    I think if we take the peaks and troughs of emotion out of all the replies here we all would agree that we would have at least wanted to intervene and make it stop. If I was actually there I'm sure every fibre of my being would have prevented me from actually hitting the girls (or anyone weaker than me) but for sure I'd have gone in to stop and separate. When a stronger person is beating on a weaker person it needs to stop. Pontification and fact gathering can wait for later - an elderly man's life is at stake and every second counts.

    As for the danger, obviously there are many slap fights that end harmlessly every day everywhere but it looks to me like she was going in pretty hard and really wanted to hurt the old guy. It had to stop no matter what started it.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I personally am glad that our country has a legal system ... you know ... law and order and stuff like that and no crazed amateur wannabe cops bearing arms gets to be judge, jury and executioner without going to jail themselves. No one gets to decide WHO gets to suck oxygen and WHO doesn't, unless the legal system has imposed the death penalty for a crime.

    ... and cowards ... yeah. Coward is a wannabe cop stalking a 17 year old unarmed teen and shooting him to death because he was black and walking through a neighborhood. That's coward for ya.

    Simple enough for citizens on the bus to get together and forcefully, and non-violently restrain two drunk old bags, especially when there are two or three to each perp to do that. Then call the cops and done ... no Big Talking John Wayne drama needed.
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