Dead Mississippi man begins breathing in embalming room, coroner says

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The coroner completed his paperwork, placed Williams in a body bag and transported him to the funeral home, he said. There, something strange happened: The body bag moved.
That would qualify as strange to me.

Dead Mississippi man begins breathing in embalming room, coroner says - CNN.com

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    This isn't the first time I've read about someone being alive on the embalming table. Scary, isn't it?
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      I can picture that turning into a Monty Python skit
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The body bag moved.
      If I was ever going to freak out - that would do it.

      I guess if it happens you need to start kicking before they start embalming....a point to remember.

      That could make some good family storioes: "The first time Grandpa Ed died...."
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      There have been lots of cases of someone who is in a coma, usually when they are very cold. The body will shut down to preserve itself.

      He was breathing before, it just was very shallow breathing. They just couldn't detect a heartbeat, so they declared him dead.

      And he wasn't really dead. Brain dead is dead. No brain activity means dead.
      Heart stopping simply means no oxygen is being pumped. But the body has reserves of oxygen, that can feed the brain enough to keep the cells from degrading.

      Clinical death means that the heart beat was not detected. Breathing wasn't detected. Lots of people have come back from that. It isn't a miracle, it's biology. When you hear stories of "He came back from the dead", it's always clinical death...no heartbeat detected.

      Brain dead means an EEG was performed, and there were no brainwaves. Nobody has come back from that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          So you're saying Dan's zombie army isn't real? :confused:

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          Dan's imaginary army could not be made of zombies...because they are not real. And imaginary armies can only be made up of things that exist in real life..otherwise they are fictitious.

          And when a fictitious army meets an imaginary army.....then rhetorical blood is shed. Very sad. Theoretically.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Dan's imaginary army could not be made of zombies...because they are not real. And imaginary armies can only be made up of things that exist in real life..otherwise they are fictitious.
            Before you get too confident about what's real life, consider that you've just responded to an imaginary post.



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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

              Before you get too confident about what's real life, consider that you've just responded to an imaginary post.



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              The post may be imaginary. But my imagination is real. I imagine what happens in my mind, but my mind itself is real. Of course, we imagine what our mind is really like. And what is telling us what our mind is like? Our mind.

              Maybe it's lying to us. Maybe our mind is real, but our imagination is insane, and tells our mind that the imagination is just something we made up.

              I can keep this up for hours.

              And let's be honest, I could just be a software program that spews out nonsense. Of course, if I were a software program..I would have chosen to be better looking.
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    It sounds like this gentleman got a little cranky when then put him in the bag. Can't say I blame him!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Whenever you see people declared dead in the movies, it is almost ALWAYS a case much like claude suggests. Even used PERFECTLY, no machine is always perfect. The machines are almost NEVER used PERFECTLY. Even if they were, more sensitive ones are rarely used. Imagine, even like a heart beat a minute could conceivably keep a person alive.(60 is probably about average) A breath may not even have to happen for a few minutes(again, maybe 60). Even if a machine DID measure that, would it be noticed? If it WERE noticed, would anyone figure the person was alive?

    You would THINK they might check oxygen. Oxygen SHOULD be relatively high(well in the 90% range). I think most oxygen monitors won't even register oxygen without a substantial(maybe like 50+) pulse. Again though, RARELY used!

    A long standing story, that apparently is true, is that a wake was to give a "dead" person time to wake up. Apparently, they used to just bury people. NOW, they may do autopsies, and generally embalm people. Once THAT is done, they are certainly dead.

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Another thing is that, except for extreme trauma, our body dies slowly. It isn't like a light switch, where one instant you are here...and the next instant you are gone. It's like turning off a fan. It slows down...eventually stops...and then cools off.

      We can be brain dead, while most of our autonomic functions keep going for awhile. Our organs stop functioning, and we are declared dead. but it still takes time, sometimes hours...before all cellular metabolism stops.

      But it's generally accepted, that once the brain stops creating electrical-chemical current (which means there is no mental activity at all), that this means the person is gone.

      But even with decapitation, the head can remain conscious for ten seconds or so (a horrible thought), and there is still brain activity for several minutes after.

      There is a book The Undead (No, it isn't about Zombies) that explains the entire dying process. And it covers these "Near death experiences". I mean it covers the physiology. It isn't religious or philosophical in nature.
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    This does happen now and again. In the days before embalming many people were buried alive. For one reason or another a coffin would be dug up and they would find the person had woken up in the coffin and tried to get out. That to me is frightening as hell. Embalming was started for the purpose of making sure someone didn't wake up later underground and suffer an excruciating death. I'd sure rather be killed for certain on an embalming table that wake up underground later on.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      This does happen now and again. In the days before embalming many people were buried alive. For one reason or another a coffin would be dug up and they would find the person had woken up in the coffin and tried to get out. That to me is frightening as hell. Embalming was started for the purpose of making sure someone didn't wake up later underground and suffer an excruciating death. I'd sure rather be killed for certain on an embalming table that wake up underground later on.
      They used to actually have some coffins that had a way of ringing a bell if you woke up in a buried coffin. I forget the term, but think there was even a saying about it.

      I thought embalming was to preserve the body for the showing, and prevent the spread of disease. Outside of that, and the idea of making SURE the person is dead, it would be preferable to leave the body as is so it would decay as rapidly as possible, etc...

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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        They used to actually have some coffins that had a way of ringing a bell if you woke up in a buried coffin. I forget the term, but think there was even a saying about it.

        I thought embalming was to preserve the body for the showing, and prevent the spread of disease. Outside of that, and the idea of making SURE the person is dead, it would be preferable to leave the body as is so it would decay as rapidly as possible, etc...

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    I would absolutely hate to be working in a mortuary and have something like that happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Howard is an elected official and not a doctor. More than 1,500 counties in the United States elect coroners and most don't require medical degrees.

    Neither in his 12 years as county coroner nor during his decade as deputy coroner has Howard seen anything like it. Howard was absolutely certain Williams was dead.
    What a dunderhead.



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    No wonder so many Mortician are alcoholics....
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I would absolutely hate to be working in a mortuary and have something like that happen.
      I would absolutely hate to be working in a mortuary.
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    It happened to my father before I was born. He was in a massive auto accident. He started to breathe in the embalming room.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    My father was co-owner of an air ambulance service operating out of the Tri-Cities, Washington, in the 70s. They mainly flew critically injured patients to trauma centers in Seattle or Portland. Occasionally they were called on to transport bodies.

    A dead man had to be delivered to Seattle by the next morning so he could attend his funeral that afternoon. By 8pm, it was obvious the weather wasn't going to cooperate, so my dad took the family station wagon, loaded the body box in the back, and took off for Seattle.

    Normally about a 3-1/2 hr drive, by 2am he was just coming to the top of Snoqualmie Pass. As he told it, it was the dead of night, eerily quiet, pitch black, and snowing like crazy. His was the only car he had seen for miles.

    Then the body in the back belched. Dad said it was so loud that if it had have been a belching contest, the guy would have won, hands down.

    My dad died that night, he said. He swore he had a heart attack and the only reason he came back is because he was so cold after sliding to a stop and running away from the car.

    He gathered his nerve and checked on his passenger, who really seemed like he was dead. A passing snowplow called the state police. The policeman broke out laughing when dad told him what happened; evidently it was a relatively common occurrence.

    The higher the altitude, the less air pressure there is. The pressure finally dropped so much that the air trapped in some body cavity had to escape somewhere.
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