Would you just forgive & move on or Will you go after the one who hurt you ?

10 years ago

If you know who they are or can find out, I'd go after them -- IF you have proof enough to do anything about it. If you can't meet those conditions, you're kinda screwed in that department, too.

If it makes you feel better - you're not the first one that got the hard lesson. It took me 9 months to rebuild my site once when it was mangled. I know the pain.

Take it as a lesson and move on. Just build it better the next time - and find every one of the best security measures and hosts in the book to protect it. And back it up, this time.

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Cranky

10 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

If you know who they are or can find out, I'd go after them -- IF you have proof enough to do anything about it. If you can't meet those conditions, you're kinda screwed in that department, too.

If it makes you feel better - you're not the first one that got the hard lesson. It took me 9 months to rebuild my site once when it was mangled. I know the pain.

Take it as a lesson and move on. Just build it better the next time - and find every one of the best security measures and hosts in the book to protect it. And back it up, this time.

Thanks for the reply HeySal.. I decided to just let go & move on because some where it is even my mistake that I should have taken back up of everything I do online. I have learnt my lesson & will make sure this never happens again.. Thanks..

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constructor

10 years ago

I don't know why but i feel either you are telling a story or you are hiding the major point in the story. The reason i say that is there are some not connecting links in your story. Especially the one about passwords.

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Cranky

10 years ago

Originally Posted by constructor

I don't know why but i feel either you are telling a story or you are hiding the major point in the story. The reason i say that is there are some not connecting links in your story. Especially the one about passwords.

I have nothing to gain by spending my time in writing this. It is up to you weather U wanna believe or not. Thanks for taking time to reply.

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derekwong28

10 years ago

Hostgator may have a monthly backup and I would try that first. I have been hacked before by a person who was known to me. He was reported to the police by my webhoster but I don't know whether anything came out of it.

What I found odd was that you did not check your sites during the 15 days you were on holiday. I always make sure I have internet access when I am on holiday. If not, you should really have got someone you trust to check things for you.

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Cranky

10 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

Hostgator may have a monthly backup and I would try that first. I have been hacked before by a person who was known to me. He was reported to the police by my webhoster but I don't know whether anything came out of it.

What I found odd was that you did not check your sites during the 15 days you were on holiday. I always make sure I have internet access when I am on holiday. If not, you should really have got someone you trust to check things for you.

I never checked my site when I was on vacation because everything was automated. I had scheduled posting of articles on my wordpress blog for like 20days & I even had them added to SenukeXcr which was running on my VPS to create Backlinks. I felt there will be no need for me to think about my work but never thought something like this will ever happen. But, here after I will make sure that I check my site no matter where I go. Thanks for the reply derekwong2..

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BigFrank Banned 10 years ago

Hi. I hope this serves as a cautionary tale to most, but we all know that to many it will not. The old "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" maxim certainly applies, here.

My near tragedy and how it was prevented. I back-up my computer to a separate partition which mirrors my main partition and I also back up the same way to an external drive. One day, without knowing it I deleted a folder of all my tropical fish photos. Years of work. Then, as I ran my backups, I overwrote the folder on every other partition. A few days went by before I even realized what happened. When I did, I nearly had a stroke.

Fortunately, I use a service called CrashPlan which every few hours scans my hard drive and uploads any changes to a server. I was able to simply go back a few days, locate and download the photo folder to my hard drive and move on with life. Best $3 per month I have ever spent. Total security and the peace of mind that comes with it.

Additionally, I have a simple AppleScript that FTP's all of my websites to my desktop every Sunday night and then CrashPlan uploads them for added protection.

It took less than an hour to implement this foolproof system for total security.

There are myriad password protection schemes and mine is fairly robust. I have never had an issue and hope that I never do.

Additionally - I don't trust my own mother with anything of great importance. I trust ya' mom, now cut the cards.

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derekwong28

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Cranky

I never checked my site when I was on vacation because everything was automated. I had scheduled posting of articles on my wordpress blog for like 20days & I even had them added to SenukeXcr which was running on my VPS to create Backlinks. I felt there will be no need for me to think about my work but never thought something like this will ever happen. But, here after I will make sure that I check my site no matter where I go. Thanks for the reply derekwong2..

There is something else you can try. You can look at your site in Google's cache and try and recover as much content as possible. You can even try to recover the original site structure.

My webhosts have gone down when I was on holiday so I always checked everyday.

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seasoned

10 years ago

I basically got hacked FOUR times! ONCE was after I INTENTIONALLY made a HUGE mistake because some #$%^&*( couldn't do some basic things, and came to me for help. I reduced permissions on MY PERSONAL server to allow them to do something else elsewhere. Anyway, I didn't keep tabs on when they were done, and never increased the security back to its BASE level.

The first time, some jerks got in and used my system for storage of a bunch of stuff infringing copyrights all over. They are lucky I didn't have more time, money, or power, because I would have their paychecks garnished for likely their entire lives, AFTER a stint in jail for a few years or a decade or two. My "host" didn't tell me until things were bad, and never told me HOW bad, and I had to take care of OTHER things first. Every SECOND they raised my bill MORE! I asked the "HOST" to help, which they ARE required to do, and they just LAUGHED! I kept SOME evidence for a year and, if I came up on charges, you could BET I would implicate the host AND the hacker. I had MY logs, but logs are like tracks in the snow. I can see when/how the hacker got into MY system, but the person that LET them in must do the same. The easiest way to find that out is the "HOST", and they wouldn't talk! BTW I NEVER did business with that company again! Ironically, after that, I toyed with making a program to get rid of these problems. I never did. I came up with an improved design recently, so MAYBE...

Once, I offered a free service. Some people managed to do a bit more than intended. I got rid of the service. I guess TECHNICALLY they could claim they did nothing wrong. It is gone now though.

Another time, someone used a special kit that used a program flaw to get in and use a UNIX convention to get enough rights to email. NO, I didn't have an open relay. But MOST relays ARE open to any "users" on the system, and some programs ASSUME they have the rights, and will fail otherwise. And it emailed to people on their list and many bounced. I managed to find that, and stopped it.

Another time, just recently, someone apparently found a flaw in tomcat and used it to create a system to distribute viruses. AGAIN, they used a kit to facilitate it. I got suspicious when a server I wasn't using got overloaded! December was bad, January got to 60% of my bandwidth allowance. February got to 50% before I stopped THAT! They worked on it from last june or july, but apparently didn't have it actually running until December. HEY, It got me off my rear, and I started doing some things I planned for MONTHS! TECHNICALLY, I may have gotten out of this one unhurt.

Sadly, this can happen to anyone. A LOT of programs have problems, and UNIX has a few things that can be exploited. Of course windows is pretty much DESIGNED to have such problems. And this IS over the span of 14 years.

Steve

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kenmichaels

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I basically got hacked FOUR times!

You never forget your first ...

I remember the first time my pc got hacked.

It was a win 95 box. I annoyed a gamer. He renamed my windows folder to
Rwindows and wrote a com that rebooted me and then echoed " F... Y.. as*hole"
in a loop.

I had every port closed possible. I thought I was safe.
HA.

Luckily i was smart enough to use a boot disk and dir /w
It was a pretty easy fix.

He was fairly competent. I was slightly more so. I was just young enough
to take it personal

He made the mistake of picking on an admin... when the word admin
actually meant some thing.

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tagiscom

10 years ago

Yep, glad l do party flyers for a hub business, obviously no guarantees that the company will go bankrupt, etc.

But if it did, l could just grab all my flyers and load them up to another similar business website.

Or use paid advertising and set it up on a website, that Google likes.

Or as you have been saying, l can backup everything!

As for websites, SBI eventhough expensive and less flexible than most if very stable.

I started my first site there in DEC 2007, and l had about 3 tech issues, that were quickly fixed.

Compare that to Hostgator, that you can do pretty much anything on, and has so many tech issues l have lost count.

But support is excellent, so l put up with the occasional, "won't publish" etc error.

Sorry to hear about your issue, l have lived through two Computer crashes.

First it misbehaved, and l made it worse by using a lethal free cleaner, that wiped everything off, and stored it on its area, course l pressed the wrong button, and everything was gone. Thankfully l backup the very important stuff onto CD, but not fun.

Second time the computer got so bad l had to wipe the OS off and reboot.

At the moment my Laptop, (1 year old) has been crashing or freezing randomly.

I thankfully found a great piece of software, and it is purring, (well 99% of the time it is)!

Yep IM can be a serious pain, but worth it in the end.

Probably explains why we end up here, to laugh it off, or try to.

Track down some of these, A*** if you can, but forget about it and more on if it is too expensive or time consuming.

No point throwing a year away on one of these lowlifes, if it is costing you a profitable site.

Shane

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Cranky

10 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yep, glad l do party flyers for a hub business, obviously no guarantees that the company will go bankrupt, etc.

But if it did, l could just grab all my flyers and load them up to another similar business website.

Or use paid advertising and set it up on a website, that Google likes.

Or as you have been saying, l can backup everything!

As for websites, SBI eventhough expensive and less flexible than most if very stable.

I started my first site there in DEC 2007, and l had about 3 tech issues, that were quickly fixed.

Compare that to Hostgator, that you can do pretty much anything on, and has so many tech issues l have lost count.

But support is excellent, so l put up with the occasional, "won't publish" etc error.

Sorry to hear about your issue, l have lived through two Computer crashes.

First it misbehaved, and l made it worse by using a lethal free cleaner, that wiped everything off, and stored it on its area, course l pressed the wrong button, and everything was gone. Thankfully l backup the very important stuff onto CD, but not fun.

Second time the computer got so bad l had to wipe the OS off and reboot.

At the moment my Laptop, (1 year old) has been crashing or freezing randomly.

I thankfully found a great piece of software, and it is purring, (well 99% of the time it is)!

Yep IM can be a serious pain, but worth it in the end.

Probably explains why we end up here, to laugh it off, or try to.

Track down some of these, A*** if you can, but forget about it and more on if it is too expensive or time consuming.

No point throwing a year away on one of these lowlifes, if it is costing you a profitable site.

Shane

Thanks Shane for sharing your experience with me.. I am sure I will laugh when I read this thread after like a year.. I don't have enough time & money right now to go after them & even if I did I would spend it on making sure that no one touches my files again..

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Cranky

10 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

You never forget your first ...

I remember the first time my pc got hacked.

It was a win 95 box. I annoyed a gamer. He renamed my windows folder to
Rwindows and wrote a com that rebooted me and then echoed " F... Y.. as*hole"
in a loop.

I had every port closed possible. I thought I was safe.
HA.

Luckily i was smart enough to use a boot disk and dir /w
It was a pretty easy fix.

He was fairly competent. I was slightly more so. I was just young enough
to take it personal

He made the mistake of picking on an admin... when the word admin
actually meant some thing.

I wish I had been smart as U are in respect to technical aspects.. Thanks for the reply kenmichaels..

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Cranky

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I basically got hacked FOUR times! ONCE was after I INTENTIONALLY made a HUGE mistake because some #$%^&*( couldn't do some basic things, and came to me for help. I reduced permissions on MY PERSONAL server to allow them to do something else elsewhere. Anyway, I didn't keep tabs on when they were done, and never increased the security back to its BASE level.

The first time, some jerks got in and used my system for storage of a bunch of stuff infringing copyrights all over. They are lucky I didn't have more time, money, or power, because I would have their paychecks garnished for likely their entire lives, AFTER a stint in jail for a few years or a decade or two. My "host" didn't tell me until things were bad, and never told me HOW bad, and I had to take care of OTHER things first. Every SECOND they raised my bill MORE! I asked the "HOST" to help, which they ARE required to do, and they just LAUGHED! I kept SOME evidence for a year and, if I came up on charges, you could BET I would implicate the host AND the hacker. I had MY logs, but logs are like tracks in the snow. I can see when/how the hacker got into MY system, but the person that LET them in must do the same. The easiest way to find that out is the "HOST", and they wouldn't talk! BTW I NEVER did business with that company again! Ironically, after that, I toyed with making a program to get rid of these problems. I never did. I came up with an improved design recently, so MAYBE...

Once, I offered a free service. Some people managed to do a bit more than intended. I got rid of the service. I guess TECHNICALLY they could claim they did nothing wrong. It is gone now though.

Another time, someone used a special kit that used a program flaw to get in and use a UNIX convention to get enough rights to email. NO, I didn't have an open relay. But MOST relays ARE open to any "users" on the system, and some programs ASSUME they have the rights, and will fail otherwise. And it emailed to people on their list and many bounced. I managed to find that, and stopped it.

Another time, just recently, someone apparently found a flaw in tomcat and used it to create a system to distribute viruses. AGAIN, they used a kit to facilitate it. I got suspicious when a server I wasn't using got overloaded! December was bad, January got to 60% of my bandwidth allowance. February got to 50% before I stopped THAT! They worked on it from last june or july, but apparently didn't have it actually running until December. HEY, It got me off my rear, and I started doing some things I planned for MONTHS! TECHNICALLY, I may have gotten out of this one unhurt.

Sadly, this can happen to anyone. A LOT of programs have problems, and UNIX has a few things that can be exploited. Of course windows is pretty much DESIGNED to have such problems. And this IS over the span of 14 years.

Steve

Thanks Steve for sharing your part of story. This makes me really feel bad & at the same time this gives me motivation to get back on my feet again. I have been doing a lots of research now for having the best security possible & take extra precautions before downloading exe files online. Thanks once again for the reply..

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workoutstuff1

10 years ago

Hopefully with all the hacking going on ith Aweber and GetResponse things will greatly improve in the realm of internet security (hopefully).

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Cranky 10 years ago

Originally Posted by workoutstuff1

Hopefully with all the hacking going on ith Aweber and GetResponse things will greatly improve in the realm of internet security (hopefully).

Thanks for the reply workoutstuff1.. I too hope the same.. & no matter how much you improvise in the field of internet security if someone wants to hack U, they will do it some or the other way..
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10 years ago

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shadeofinfo

10 years ago

I don;t know ... possibly I'd go after then if I knew who had done it and I had the proof to actually prove it. I've been having scares with my websites recently and I installed a few new security things today and backed up all my files on my sites.

I had an old website a few years ago and I didn't put any security on it (foolishly) and it got hacked. So I learned from that mistake and now have "heavy" security on my sites and backup constantly.

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dailycoinsnet

10 years ago

I hate when these kind of things happen. I'm sure that everyone would want to go after them but usually it's just waste of time. You'll never get anything back. Just try to get over it and go back to work.

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Patrician

10 years ago

While it is true it is best for your own health to forgive rather than carry a grudge, AND it is true that it is almost impossible to recover any money lost, there is still the point of outing these ripoff demons if you can - for one thing to make others aware if you know who they are and for another because law enforcement will likely not do anything unless (a) the money lost is really substantial (which might be the case if you put a group of victims together) AND (b) when they keep hearing the same name or links in complaints they may actually take action against them.

I would at the very least therefore report it to IC3.gov

(The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C)

p.s. very sorry for your loss and a very hard lesson. thanks for sharing the NECESSITY of backing up, having good security AND paying attention to your business all the time.

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