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Meanwhile, in Washington, D.C.

by LarryC
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While hypocrites in the White House self righteously speak out in favor of the rights of people in the Ukraine to protest, hundreds are arrested for doing the same thing (though in a more peaceful way) right in the nation's capitol. Does anyone think they wouldn't call in the National Guard if Occupy or environmentalist protests became large?

But the U.S. media barely covers this and keeps Americans' attention on complex events on the other side of the world. Most of the coverage for this is from foreign media such as RT and Al Jeezera, but there's one mention on MSN:

Keystone protesters arrested at White House
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    Ukraine is on a slightly different scale I think you'll find. I dare say that Putin is a far bigger threat than to what Obama and friends could ever serve up.
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    • Profile picture of the author LarryC
      Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

      Ukraine is on a slightly different scale I think you'll find. I dare say that Putin is a far bigger threat than to what Obama and friends could ever serve up.
      Of course it's on a different scale and the issues are totally different. The point is that Obama and Kerry talk as though they support free expression while they have a record of suppressing it at home.

      There are also questions about who is really behind the Ukraine uprising. I admit that I'm not well informed about this, but it seems that it's more complicated than a case of people rising up against a totalitarian system. There is evidence, for example, that the U.S. may be backing fascists there.

      Is the US backing neo-Nazis in Ukraine? - Salon.com
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

        Of course it's on a different scale and the issues are totally different. The point is that Obama and Kerry talk as though they support free expression while they have a record of suppressing it at home.

        There are also questions about who is really behind the Ukraine uprising. I admit that I'm not well informed about this, but it seems that it's more complicated than a case of people rising up against a totalitarian system. There is evidence, for example, that the U.S. may be backing fascists there.

        Is the US backing neo-Nazis in Ukraine? - Salon.com
        How has #44 supressed free expression here at home.

        I'd love to see an example or two.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          How has #44 supressed free expression here at home.

          I'd love to see an example or two.
          Hundreds of Keystone protesters arrested at White House - chicagotribune.com
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          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            I think they were arrested for tying themselves to the fence around the WH and also you can not stand in front of the WH anymore.

            I know you're not fond of the guy but how does that translate into him suppressing free speech?

            You can say whatever you want but not while tied to the WH fence or standing for long time in front of the WH.

            I hope he gets the message and does not approve that pipeline.
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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

              I think they were arrested for tying themselves to the fence around the WH and also you can not stand in front of the WH anymore.

              I know you're not fond of the guy but how does that translate into him suppressing free speech?

              You can say whatever you want but not while tied to the WH fence or standing for long time in front of the WH.

              I hope he gets the message and does not approve that pipeline.
              So you think the protesters in the Ukraine are only protesting in designated areas?
              The point of the original post was that the White House supports the rights of people to protest in the Ukraine while protesters here are arrested.
              Doesn't matter who's in the White House that is being hypocritical.
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              • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                So you think the protesters in the Ukraine are only protesting in designated areas?
                The point of the original post was that the White House supports the rights of people to protest in the Ukraine while protesters here are arrested.
                Doesn't matter who's in the White House that is being hypocritical.
                Perhaps you don't understand but no one can tie themselves to the WH fence or stand for long periods of time in front of the WH period.

                I think you're stretching it on the arrests at the WH.
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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                  Perhaps you don't understand but no one can tie themselves to the WH fence or stand for long periods of time in front of the WH period.

                  I think you're stretching it on the arrests at the WH.
                  I didn't mention how many where arrested so are you saying none where? Are your blinders really on that tight?

                  Do you think everything the Ukraine protesters where doing was legal in their country?
                  You think I don't understand, I know you don't.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                    Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                    I didn't mention how many where arrested so are you saying none where? Are your blinders really on that tight?

                    Do you think everything the Ukraine protesters where doing was legal in their country?
                    You think I don't understand, I know you don't.
                    Of course people were arrested.

                    By law, no person can tie themselves to the WH fence or stand in front of the WH for an extended period of time. Its the law and you can thank 9-11 for it.
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              • Profile picture of the author LarryC
                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                So you think the protesters in the Ukraine are only protesting in designated areas?
                The point of the original post was that the White House supports the rights of people to protest in the Ukraine while protesters here are arrested.
                Doesn't matter who's in the White House that is being hypocritical.
                That's right, to me it's not really about Obama. I only mentioned his name because he's the spokesperson who's making all these statements about the rights of people to protest around the world. I certainly don't think a republican would do anything differently, unless it was Ron Paul. It's not about parties, it's about the entrenched power structure.
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                • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                  Originally Posted by LarryC View Post

                  That's right, to me it's not really about Obama. I only mentioned his name because he's the spokesperson who's making all these statements about the rights of people to protest around the world. I certainly don't think a republican would do anything differently, unless it was Ron Paul. It's not about parties, it's about the entrenched power structure.
                  But the super libertarian would stop woman from having abortions and also called pre maritail six sinful type of behaiver.

                  How's that for a libertarian?
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                  • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                    But the super libertarian would stop woman from having abortions and also called pre maritail six sinful type of behaiver.

                    How's that for a libertarian?
                    That's really just demonstrating that you don't know what you're talking about
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                    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                      That's really just demonstrating that you don't know what you're talking about

                      Explain how a libertarian can be against premarital sex and also be against a woman's right to an abortion?


                      Are you saying RP won't try to prevent woman from getting an abortion by law or never slipped up and made negative comments about people getting busy before marriage? ...

                      ...because I heard him back when you and I were going round and round about RP and your hope that he would capture the GOP nomination back in 2011.
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                      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                        Explain how a libertarian can be against premarital sex and also be against a woman's right to an abortion?


                        Are you saying RP won't try to prevent woman from getting an abortion by law or never slipped up and made negative comments about people getting busy before marriage? ...

                        ...because I heard him back when you and I were going round and round about RP and your hope that he would capture the GOP nomination back in 2011.
                        That's to easy.
                        If I as a Libertarian am against premarital sex and against abortion, that means I wouldn't have premarital sex or would I marry someone who was pro abortion. It doesn't mean I would force my beliefs on those (or any) views I have.
                        That's what you don't get.
                        Unlike your party we don't believe any person has the right to regulate how another person lives.
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                  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
                    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                    But the super libertarian would stop woman from having abortions and also called pre maritail six sinful type of behaiver.

                    How's that for a libertarian?
                    Now you're making this about Ron Paul. I only mentioned him as an aside as an example of a Republican who might respect the rights of protesters. That doesn't mean I endorse everything he ever said.
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        • Profile picture of the author LarryC
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          How has #44 supressed free expression here at home.

          I'd love to see an example or two.
          See the link. Also:

          Revealed: how the FBI coordinated the crackdown on Occupy | Naomi Wolf | Comment is free | theguardian.com
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          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          How has #44 supressed free expression here at home.

          I'd love to see an example or two.
          You just want two?
          Boy are you being easy today.
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      Originally Posted by David Braybrooke View Post

      Ukraine is on a slightly different scale I think you'll find. I dare say that Putin is a far bigger threat than to what Obama and friends could ever serve up.
      It only appears that way because what's happening in the Ukraine is happening in a short period of time.

      O'bummer and his kronies have been working on it over a period of 5 + years.
      IRS-gate.
      O'bummercare.
      NSA-gate.
      Drone surveillance.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    I don't watch comedies on TV, not when reality is so much funnier.

    Kerry saying "One doesn't invade another country on phony pretext," was the most hilarious thing I've read so far this year.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    So you have completely missed "Free Speech Zones" - which used to be called AMERICA. And you have missed the fact that they are writing laws to illegalize protest............and they tried to send in "monitors" to news channels to make sure that only the news they wanted reported was being reported and............

    We interupt this post.....................BREAKING NEWS:

    Justin Beiber has just been seen buying ice cream cones with an unidentified female.........full report at 11.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    Here's Hillary giving a wonderful speech about freedom in Libya, while a man is arrested for standing up...


    By the way, I don't care which party she's with. It's ALL a funny joke :p Ha Ha Ha!
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    I wish I met a woman who believed in post-marital sex! Ha Ha Ha!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I have trouble with both sides of the abortion issue myself - both sides hate me.

      I'm not for telling women what they can do with their bodies - so the pro-lifers don't care for me. I could never personally have an abortion - so the pro-rights folks say I'm not committed.

      The folks protesting are trying to get arrested to get news coverage. They are laughing and having a good time - and they don't like fossil fuels.

      I expect many will get in their cars or on buses to go home after the protest - where they will turn the heat up to get warm on a cold D.C. day - turn on the electric or gas stove to fix a meal.....and talk about how they hate fossil fuels.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I have trouble with both sides of the abortion issue myself - both sides hate me.

        I'm not for telling women what they can do with their bodies - so the pro-lifers don't care for me. I could never personally have an abortion - so the pro-rights folks say I'm not committed.

        The folks protesting are trying to get arrested to get news coverage. They are laughing and having a good time - and they don't like fossil fuels.

        I expect many will get in their cars or on buses to go home after the protest - where they will turn the heat up to get warm on a cold D.C. day - turn on the electric or gas stove to fix a meal.....and talk about how they hate fossil fuels.

        Considering that we got hit with a lot of snow in this area today you are probably right.


        The thing is Kay, a lot of people that hate fossil fuel have no other viable options. Right there is where the rub is.
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    Did I miss something or, did the part about not being allowed to stand in front of the WH get overlooked?

    Since when am I not allowed to stand on a particular place on any public sidewalk?

    We're inching closer to fascism everyday.
    But, hey, what's the problem? If you don't disobey, you don't have anything to worry about.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
      Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

      We're inching closer to fascism everyday.
      But, hey, what's the problem? If you don't disobey, you don't have anything to worry about.
      Whoa! I'd really like to talk about that one. I'm a moth flying towards the flame as is today, and I need to shut my trap. I'll just say I agree completely.
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