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SteveJohnson

10 years ago

That's just unbelievable.

But just watch - there are a lot of people who are going to take this girl's side...

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thunderbird

10 years ago

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

That's just unbelievable.

But just watch - there are a lot of people who are going to take this girl's side...

I haven't come across any comments supporting her yet.

Edit Update: Missed Hopeless Bromantic's comment. I stand corrected.

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Hopeless Bromantic

10 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

I haven't come across any comments supporting her yet.

Edit Update: Missed Hopeless Bromantic's comment. I stand corrected.

Nope, you're in the clear. She has no legal right to demand tuition from her parents.

That doesn't mean her parents are acting responsibly, however.

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Kay King

10 years ago

The head of the household (her friend's father) where she's staying is lead partner of a "boutique law firm" (that's the firm's ad description).

She's gone from one privileged home to another. She isn't just asking for high school and college fees. She wants to go out of state to college - wants her "host" family reimbursed for her care and her legal fees they've paid...AND she wants over $600 a week for "support" paid to her.

In other words - she wants child support paid by her parents to herself.

It would be funny if the family was not in such obvious pain. Pity the guy who marries this princess.

Old saying: don't bite the hand that feeds you

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

The head of the household (her friend's father) where she's staying is lead partner of a "boutique law firm" (that's the firm's ad description).

She's gone from one privileged home to another. She isn't just asking for high school and college fees. She wants to go out of state to college - wants her "host" family reimbursed for her care and her legal fees they've paid...AND she wants over $600 a week for "support" paid to her.

In other words - she wants child support paid by her parents to herself.

It would be funny if the family was not in such obvious pain. Pity the guy who marries this princess.

Old saying: don't bite the hand that feeds you

Kay,
I saw that the friends father was a lawyer. The first report I read said he was handling the case,which is why I was confused when I saw the video and then read the story.
Either way, it is a lawsuit that should never have made it to the filing stage.

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Kay King

10 years ago

The story says nothing about her parents currently intending to send her to college and pay any of her tuition. (They also are accused of "redirecting" her college fund, which may not be a refusal, but looks odd if it's true.)

Then you didn't read all the story or it's more trolling. The "redirect" charge comes from the girl, If I were her parents I'd "redirect" the college fund to my other two children.

Her parents have saidif the girl comes home and lives with family and as part of the family, the private school, car, allowance, college are there for her. She wants to do what she wants, live where she wants, and be supported. Pity the man who marries her - she is alimony waiting to happen.

In her part of the court documents, the girl is quoted:

"My parents simply will not help me any longer. They want nothing to do with me and refuse to even help me financially outside the home although they certainly have the ability to do so. … I am unable to support myself and provide for my food, shelter, clothing, transportation and education."

Too bad she didn't think it through before she walked out of the family home.

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seasoned

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

The head of the household (her friend's father) where she's staying is lead partner of a "boutique law firm" (that's the firm's ad description).

She's gone from one privileged home to another. She isn't just asking for high school and college fees. She wants to go out of state to college - wants her "host" family reimbursed for her care and her legal fees they've paid...AND she wants over $600 a week for "support" paid to her.

In other words - she wants child support paid by her parents to herself.

It would be funny if the family was not in such obvious pain. Pity the guy who marries this princess.

Old saying: don't bite the hand that feeds you

What is her legal theory? That her father raped her and she was born and is now suing to past child support? Sounds a little crazy to me!

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thunderbird

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Nope, you're in the clear. She has no legal right to demand tuition from her parents.

That doesn't mean her parents are acting responsibly, however.

Can't say that I agree with your take on it, but I respect your audacity, I'll say that much, LOL.

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MikeAmbrosio

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Nope, you're in the clear. She has no legal right to demand tuition from her parents.

That doesn't mean her parents are acting responsibly, however.

Depends on your definition of responsibly. In my world, acting as a responsible parent means teaching your kids to be SELF sufficient. To make your own way in the world and to NOT expect things to be handed to you.

To me, her parents are the most responsible parents I've heard of in a long time.

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Hopeless Bromantic

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

I am genuinely curious. Why are her parents responsible for her welfare?

Legally, they probably aren't. However, most parents want their children to be happy and successful no matter what age they are.

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MikeAmbrosio 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Legally, they probably aren't. However, most parents want their children to be happy and successful no matter what age they are.

As a parent of young adults who support themselves, I would agree - I want nothing more than for them to be happy. But if the only way they could find happiness is for me to financially support them, then I would question their values (because I sure didn't teach them that). Happiness isn't about money. And again - if their "success" comes from my financial support then their values are skewed.

And I would tell them they're on their own - figure it out. I'll give you all the moral support you need.
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sbucciarel

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Legally, they probably aren't. However, most parents want their children to be happy and successful no matter what age they are.

That's usually accomplished by raising self-sufficient children who aren't spoiled rotten brats with a sense of self-entitlement. Unless, of course, you want to just keep doling buckets of money in their direction for an indeterminate period of time so they can feel all successful and happy. :rolleyes:

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Hopeless Bromantic

10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

That's usually accomplished by raising self-sufficient children who aren't spoiled rotten brats with a sense of self-entitlement. Unless, of course, you want to just keep doling buckets of money in their direction for an indeterminate period of time so they can feel all successful and happy. :rolleyes:

You could argue that, if you spoil your kids rotten from early childhood onward and don't teach them the skills they need in order to be self-sufficient, that alone is irresponsible behavior. (I believe that.)

Mike A. said it pretty well: most of a parent's responsibility to their adult children is in the form of moral and emotional support. I realize that some parents break all contact with their kids after they leave home, but I have never been able to understand that.

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Mike A. said it pretty well: most of a parent's responsibility to their adult children is in the form of moral and emotional support. I realize that some parents break all contact with their kids after they leave home, but I have never been able to understand that.

Some people have the parenting skills of an alley cat and should never have children. Some children are so horribly incorrigible that most parents would break off contact. Most parents I know are in frequent contact with their children and their grandchildren, help them out financially occasionally if possible and provide a ton of emotional and moral support ...

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seasoned

10 years ago

SHOOT, You beat me to the punch.

In MY day, kids WANTED to be able to fend for themselves and be free of their parents.

HERE, this 18yo girl is advertising that her parents kicked her out of the home and won't pay for her college! She CASUALLY forgets to mention te 18yo! What she *****REALLY***** wants is for them to support her with the benefits she wants until some time in the future. In her words, "Until I can support myself". Of course, she could do that NOW, but hasn't, so when will she try?

And HOW OLD is her boyfriend? If he were 18 BEFORE her, he was in a bad spot legally. If he is 18 NOW, why isn't HE helping out? If he isn't 18 yet, then SHE is in a bad spot legally! it seems like the parents had a point!

They CLAIM she is an honors student. That is SO far, and apparently many can say that today. She is starting to get in a lot of trouble. They CLAIM she is a cheerleader captain, but she has been demoted. They are EVEN trying to claim that the parents taking their daughter at her word, and acting accordingly, is a sign that they should pay. INCREDIBLE!

Just her luck, the judge saw where all this is going and said FORGET IT!

If I were the family, after winning these cases, I would demand every penny paid back, and if I didn't get it, I would sue the englesinos(sp?) for the malicious lawsuit. THEY are taking care of the girl, and paid for the lawsuit. i imagine the daughter would have to find yet ANOTHER "benefactor".

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thir25

10 years ago

It won't take her long to find another benefactor. It's called Goverment assistance.

Instead of taking care of herself and finding a job we will be taken care of her.

So don't worry, she'll be just fine. (being sarcastic)

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seasoned

10 years ago

Originally Posted by thir25

It won't take her long to find another benefactor. It's called Goverment assistance.

Instead of taking care of herself and finding a job we will be taken care of her.

So don't worry, she'll be just fine. (being sarcastic)

Tim

At least the government won't give her SOME of what she is asking for. Seriously though, THIS is one of the reasons why we have all these economic problems. There are SO many things she COULD be doing. Her parents would probably have treated her better if she acted better. It looks like she has burned her bridges here though.

And she got her girlfriends FATHER to pay for this garbage? INCREDIBLE!

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

That judge is crazy in the head for dragging that nonsense out.

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MissTerraK

10 years ago

Some people's kids! :rolleyes:

I think the only support she needs is a jock strap to support the big cojones she apparently has.

Unbelievable!

At least the judge ruled against her stating it would set a bad precedent. Like the world doesn't already have an entitlement attitude. Sheesh!

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seasoned

10 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Some people's kids! :rolleyes:

I think the only support she needs is a jock strap to support the big cojones she apparently has.

Unbelievable!

At least the judge ruled against her stating it would set a bad precedent. Like the world doesn't already have an entitlement attitude. Sheesh!

Terra

A THOUGHT just occurred to me. As I recall, she has at least 2 sisters. It would be funny if THEY both got a 100% paid trip to college, and ended up being FAR more successful.

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Dennis Gaskill

10 years ago

I didn't read the whole story because of my fear that stupidity is a transmittable disease. I can't help but wonder though, which is more pathetic, the daughter suing her parents or the lawyer that took her case?

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I didn't read the whole story because of my fear that stupidity is a transmittable disease. I can't help but wonder though, which is more pathetic, the daughter suing her parents or the lawyer that took her case?

It might be a tossup. IRONICALLY, the daughter is now staying with a family that apparently has at least 2 other daughters, and their father is a lawyer. HE is paying for the OTHER lawyer, or maybe they have a special deal where she is simply doing this for him.

The father really should consider suing the pants off that family. THEY have no standing! His daughter, considering that she is 18, and he apparently offered to support her, has no standing and CERTAINLY not to ask for college to be paid for. And yet they do THIS! IMAGINE! What are his DAUGHTERS to gather from this? That they can get FULL TUTORING and the BEST education possible, etc... to apply to MIT and get DOCTORATES on HIS dime? Perhaps they want to go to CAMBRIDGE in the UK! HECK, go on a trip through EUROPE for a couple years. I wonder if he ever figured how many HUNDREDS of thousands that will cost.

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KimW

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I didn't read the whole story because of my fear that stupidity is a transmittable disease. I can't help but wonder though, which is more pathetic, the daughter suing her parents or the lawyer that took her case?

You got it Dennis. The lawyer should have told her it was a frivolous waste of the courts time but then you know lawyers and greed. :rolleyes:

And on top of that she is suing to have her parents pay her legal fees. I have seen 2 versions as far as that goes,I don't know which is correct. One said the lawyers were the aprents of the friend she is currently staying with,but it didn't appear that way from this version.

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seasoned

10 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

You got it Dennis. The lawyer should have told her it was a frivolous waste of the courts time but then you know lawyers and greed. :rolleyes:

And on top of that she is suing to have her parents pay her legal fees. I have seen 2 versions as far as that goes,I don't know which is correct. One said the lawyers were the aprents of the friend she is currently staying with,but it didn't appear that way from this version.

I didn't see THAT version, but the version I watched said the father of her friends is a lawyer and paying for the suit. The actual lawyer is ANOTHER person.

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KimW

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I didn't see THAT version, but the version I watched said the father of her friends is a lawyer and paying for the suit. The actual lawyer is ANOTHER person.

Steve

So that is 3 versions now. Isn't today's journalism great? No matter what version is true, I think in the end the girls lawsuit asked that her parents pay her legal fees.

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salegurus

10 years ago

Here we go again with this sense of entitlement sweeping through the country.
What a stupid child, whatever money her parents had set aside for college is probably
going to pay legal fees now...

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KenThompson

10 years ago

I also followed this story and reacted the same as everyone else who commented here. We've all seen enough flabber-aghast by now but this one kinda stopped me in my tracks.

The US is indebted to that judge. This would have been a horrendous precedent. Talk about opening the floodgates. We should also be grateful this didn't happen in a place like CA or NY. But you never know, I imagine this has given more than one entitled young one some ideas.

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

My daughter and I had a good laugh about it this morning.

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Dennis Gaskill 10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

My daughter and I had a good laugh about it this morning.

You'd better be careful now, it might have given her ideas.
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  Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill
  
  You'd better be careful now, it might have given her ideas.
  
  Not after the judges' ruling. Any ideas she may have had should have been crushed.
  
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Hopeless Bromantic

10 years ago

Of course the parents have no legal obligation to pay for their daughter's college education.

However, anyone who refuses to help their kids through college when they can well afford to is a scumbag.

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KimW

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Of course the parents have no legal obligation to pay for their daughter's college education.

However, anyone who refuses to help their kids through college when they can well afford to is a scumbag.

Have you even read the story?

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Hopeless Bromantic

10 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Have you even read the story?

Yes. Have you?

The story says nothing about her parents currently intending to send her to college and pay any of her tuition. (They also are accused of "redirecting" her college fund, which may not be a refusal, but looks odd if it's true.)

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KimW

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Yes. Have you?

The story says nothing about her parents currently intending to send her to college and pay any of her tuition. (They also are accused of "redirecting" her college fund, which may not be a refusal, but looks odd if it's true.)

And here I thought you were clueless in just that one thread. I stand corrected.

But luckily I have others to show the fallacy of your statements.
They can point out the obvious probably better than I can.

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Hopeless Bromantic

10 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Yes. Have you?

The story says nothing about her parents currently intending to send her to college and pay any of her tuition. (They also are accused of "redirecting" her college fund, which may not be a refusal, but looks odd if it's true.)

And here I thought you were clueless in just that one thread. I stand corrected.

But luckily I have others to show the fallacy of your statements.
They can point out the obvious probably better than I can.

Apparently you haven't read the story after all.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Yes. Have you?

The story says nothing about her parents currently intending to send her to college and pay any of her tuition. (They also are accused of "redirecting" her college fund, which may not be a refusal, but looks odd if it's true.)

If that were true, and she paid into it, you can BET it would have been brought up. It WASN'T!

If they had a fund, and she didn't pay into it, *****TOUGH*****!

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Kay King

10 years ago

I can't find it now - but I read somewhere the college fundwas not huge - it was either $12k or $21k - not enough to pay for the kind of education the girl wants.

Canning was suspended from school for truancy last October, according to court documents filed by her parents' attorney, Laurie Rush-Masuret. Her parents told the teen that she could no longer see her boyfriend, who was also suspended from school. Car and phone privileges were also taken away. Once she learned of the punishment, Canning cut school again and then decided to run away, her father said in court documents.

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Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Yes. Have you?

The story says nothing about her parents currently intending to send her to college and pay any of her tuition. (They also are accused of "redirecting" her college fund, which may not be a refusal, but looks odd if it's true.)

You do realize that little miss muffet who sits on her tuffet does not work for a living and "her" college fund is in reality, her parents' money.

She didn't want to live by the house rules, so she left. Now she thinks that she's entitled to whatever support she deems fit. She's an adult and parents are NOT responsible to their children for the rest of their miserable, spoiled rotten lives.

Most parents go to great lengths to offer support and college after 18, and I have too, but I would not give a red cent to a "child" who felt entitled to it.

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Kay King 10 years ago

Her father is quoted as saying the college fund is hers no matter what. That doesn't solve her problem as the college fund is not enough to pay for the pricey private colleges she's considering.

And it's odd she would choose a small, private college for a biomedical engineering degree as large universities have better programs and equipment for someone pursuing that career path.
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Originally Posted by sbucciarel

You do realize that little miss muffet who sits on her tuffet does not work for a living and "her" college fund is in reality, her parents' money.

Her parents work for someone, but had Miss Fancy Pants done some work for the family in a business or otherwise, she might have a case.

But then she wouldn't have as much free time and/or energy to roam the city with the boyfriend.
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kenmichaels

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Of course the parents have no legal obligation to pay for their daughter's college education.

However, anyone who refuses to help their kids through college when they can well afford to is a scumbag.

My parents could afford it. They told all of us from an early age if we
wanted to go, we had to pay for it.

They also said ... if you don't go, you cant live here after you turn 18.

Are my parents scumbags?

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Hopeless Bromantic

10 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

My parents could afford it. They told all of us from an early age if we
wanted to go, we had to pay for it.

They also said ... if you don't go, you cant live here after you turn 18.

Are my parents scumbags?

Okay, in fairness, college was a lot cheaper in the 1300s.

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HeySal

10 years ago

The lawyer that perpetuated this nonsense should be disbarred.

She's a spoiled brat who may just look back on this at a later date and see how much of a little brat she actually was. Not only has she subjected a very young adult to a situation that will make it impossible for her to reconcile with her family once she grows out of her idiocy - she's opened herself up to her turning and suing her once she figures out what has been done.

Not only is this suit something that she probably wouldn't have really considered too heavily on her own, but it's not like she's a 16 year old kid. She's at the age where she is legally considered of age to be out of the parent's home.

Mistakes like the one she's making can be irreversible. Running away can be reconciled after time. Lawsuits usually can't.

The only thing I find more unsettling that considering her being led into a mistake this huge for the sake of a lawyer making money.........is that maybe she is this severely psychotic and wants to go into bio fields of science. Can you smell human experimentation with no remorse or moral considerations coming on?

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devonm

10 years ago

Are you f-in CRAZY? I would NEVER have pulled that shit with my parents. I would never have DREAMED to ever try this never mind to even give a thought. Never entered my mind even to think this. Jez.As a middle aged lady, when I was her age, I KNEW MY PLACE in the world and was just happy to be fed and safe!

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devonm

10 years ago

Jez, I may not have been in the most 1 billion percent privileged home. hell, we went to Florida every Winter. I call that privileged enough ALONE, never mind having a 10k a week allowance or what have you. F--k, this kid is spoiled f-in brat and will be alimony, child support and god knows what waiting to happen. Only reason I would ever take anyone to court is only if it is KNOWN that I fell and let's say, broke my hip due to others' carelessness and neglect of conditions required by OSHA and other accompanying laws. To take my family to court, jez, I could never fathom that. Never dreamed ONCE of it as a kid. My god. What is this world coming to!?

I knew and still know my place in this world, never mind to have ******* common sense. Sorry for my Francaise, but this burns me chapped raw!

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MikeAmbrosio

10 years ago

Yup - when I was 18, I demanded to be taken care of too. School, food, shelter, support payments...you name it.

So my parents - being the wonderful, supportive people they are - drove me to the Navy recruiters office.

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10 years ago

Odd how attitudes on this subject work.

I have an engineer friend who did not allow his wealthy parents
to pay a dime for anything after he turned 18. I had a co-worker
who - at age 30 - had a bit of a chip on his shoulder because his
wealthy parents made him pay his own way from age 18 on (he
did go to college).

In high school, I had a co-worker who had four brothers.
Although their Dad was an oil company executive, he taught
them to apply themselves and work for what they wanted.
He did match funds for whatever they came up with for their
first car, and they could by whatever car they worked for.
All five boys started college as sophomores because they all
took Advanced Placement classes. All five boys also went on
to become professionals - an MD, a lawyer, an accountant...

I think because our laws allow for things to get to court - it's
easier to say a case should not be filed, or a judge should
dismiss it - than can be done. I know a woman who went
through custody battle after battle because her ex-husband
was crazy and had the money to file and file and file.

However, in this posted case, I do not see how she was
able to get any legal representation.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

Odd how attitudes on this subject work.

I have an engineer friend who did not allow his wealthy parents
to pay a dime for anything after he turned 18. I had a co-worker
who - at age 30 - had a bit of a chip on his shoulder because his
wealthy parents made him pay his own way from age 18 on (he
did go to college).

In high school, I had a co-worker who had four brothers.
Although their Dad was an oil company executive, he taught
them to apply themselves and work for what they wanted.
He did match funds for whatever they came up with for their
first car, and they could by whatever car they worked for.
All five boys started college as sophomores because they all
took Advanced Placement classes. All five boys also went on
to become professionals - an MD, a lawyer, an accountant...

I think because our laws allow for things to get to court - it's
easier to say a case should not be filed, or a judge should
dismiss it - than can be done. I know a woman who went
through custody battle after battle because her ex-husband
was crazy and had the money to file and file and file.

However, in this posted case, I do not see how she was
able to get any legal representation.

Yeah, I tried to explain to a judge why it was ludicrous, etc... All he could say was it had to happen. I could appear over the phone, but I had to be there, or have the judgement against me. LUDICROUS! So here I was being charged on an obscure rule to pay for what someone ELSE did supposedly to be fair to all but all know it basically goes to the lawyers. And I had to appear over the phone from one state with supporting documents in another state.

I ended up paying a "settlement"(read EXTORTION FEE), to keep from having to go to court since my only other option was to quit, be in breach of another contract, pay thousands of dollars(exceeding the settlement), and appear in person with NO way of winning(since a win would only mean I didn't have to pay still MORE)!

SO...

1. Pay "settlement"
2. Pay claimed amount.
3. Uproot career, create a new lawsuit, pay several times claimed amount, and run myself ragged.

THOSE were my choices. They really SHOULD have a multiphase verification of standing in this. If you fail, you should have to pay a HUGE fine!(This woman and ESPECIALLY her "benefactor" had no standing!) They should then verify your case. If you fail, you should have to pay a large fine. They should then TRY your case, with adequate provisions and allowance for those that must appear. If you fail, you should have to pay costs! But that won't change!

BTW wat if the kid makes a giant windfall after 18? Should they pay their parents?

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Yeah, I tried to explain to a judge why it was ludicrous, etc... All he could say was it had to happen. I could appear over the phone, but I had to be there, or have the judgement against me. LUDICROUS! So here I was being charged on an obscure rule to pay for what someone ELSE did supposedly to be fair to all but all know it basically goes to the lawyers. And I had to appear over the phone from one state with supporting documents in another state.

I ended up paying a "settlement"(read EXTORTION FEE), to keep from having to go to court since my only other option was to quit, be in breach of another contract, pay thousands of dollars(exceeding the settlement), and appear in person with NO way of winning(since a win would only mean I didn't have to pay still MORE)!

SO...

1. Pay "settlement"
2. Pay claimed amount.
3. Uproot career, create a new lawsuit, pay several times claimed amount, and run myself ragged.

THOSE were my choices. They really SHOULD have a multiphase verification of standing in this. If you fail, you should have to pay a HUGE fine!(This woman and ESPECIALLY her "benefactor" had no standing!) They should then verify your case. If you fail, you should have to pay a large fine. They should then TRY your case, with adequate provisions and allowance for those that must appear. If you fail, you should have to pay costs! But that won't change!

BTW wat if the kid makes a giant windfall after 18? Should they pay their parents?

Steve

I used to work in the legal field. A common quote - even from lawyers - was that
if it gets to court, both sides lose. Personally, even when you're in the right, court
is at least emotionally trying and exhausting.

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I think should adult kids should take care of their parents if they are able to.

If I had kids though, I would not put any demands on them at all. You're
supposed to give them roots - then wings.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

I used to work in the legal field. A common quote - even from lawyers - was that
if it gets to court, both sides lose. Personally, even when you're in the right, court
is at least emotionally trying and exhausting.

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I think should adult kids should take care of their parents if they are able to.

If I had kids though, I would not put any demands on them at all. You're
supposed to give them roots - then wings.

Dan

Kids that had decent parents often DO help out their parents if they can. It isn't FORCED though!

And YEAH, gve the kids ROOTS(some of that comes from, or is strengthened by) demands. NOT like a slave master, but to have the child understand what needs to be done and be able to do it, etc....

AND, if they can take off, give them wings! If you give them wings too early, they may just crash, hurt someone, and be less able to fly later.

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Hopeless Bromantic

10 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

I think because our laws allow for things to get to court - it's easier to say a case should not be filed, or a judge should dismiss it - than can be done. I know a woman who went through custody battle after battle because her ex-husband was crazy and had the money to file and file and file.

However, in this posted case, I do not see how she was able to get any legal representation.

The only way I can think of is if she's claiming (to her attorney, not publicly) that she's been abused. Abuse, of course, is not always physical. We'll probably never know about that part of the story, but either way, there has to be a lot more going on here than has been reported.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

The only way I can think of is if she's claiming (to her attorney, not publicly) that she's been abused. Abuse, of course, is not always physical. We'll probably never know about that part of the story, but either way, there has to be a lot more going on here than has been reported.

Once again it shows you have not read the story. :rolleyes:

"The situation around the teen and her family initiated an investigation by New Jersey's Division of Child Protection and Permanency (DCPP), which received allegations that Rachel was being abused. The teen wrote in court documents that her school contacted the state agency.
When DCPP staffers interviewed the teen, her parents, and her two younger sisters, they ultimately "determined that allegation of emotional abuse was unfounded," a letter from DCPP states."

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I think because our laws allow for things to get to court - it's easier to say a case should not be filed, or a judge should dismiss it - than can be done. I know a woman who went through custody battle after battle because her ex-husband was crazy and had the money to file and file and file.

However, in this posted case, I do not see how she was able to get any legal representation. ".

Bizgrower,
Don't know where you are from but these day's you can find a lawyer willing to file any type of case if they either smell money, publiciy or both.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Once again it shows you have not read the story. :rolleyes:

"The situation around the teen and her family initiated an investigation by New Jersey's Division of Child Protection and Permanency (DCPP), which received allegations that Rachel was being abused. The teen wrote in court documents that her school contacted the state agency.
When DCPP staffers interviewed the teen, her parents, and her two younger sisters, they ultimately "determined that allegation of emotional abuse was unfounded," a letter from DCPP states."

"Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post
I think because our laws allow for things to get to court - it's easier to say a case should not be filed, or a judge should dismiss it - than can be done. I know a woman who went through custody battle after battle because her ex-husband was crazy and had the money to file and file and file.

However, in this posted case, I do not see how she was able to get any legal representation. ".

Bizgrower,
Don't know where you are from but these day's you can find a lawyer willing to file any type of case if they either smell money, publiciy or both.

Kim,

I watched all I could handle - about ten seconds max - of the girl's female attorney
and conclude that she saw publicity. Not a lot of money in this claim for an attorney. And, not a lot of intelligence on the part of the attorney. I know tons of people with legit, small dollar claims who cannot find an attorney. Also, any competent, intelligent attorney would not have touched this case -IMO and based upon the one's I used to work with. Dan

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

Kim,

I watched all I could handle - about ten seconds max - of the girl's female attorney
and conclude that she saw publicity. Not a lot of money in this claim for an attorney. And, not a lot of intelligence on the part of the attorney. I know tons of people with legit, small dollar claims who cannot find an attorney. Also, any competent, intelligent attorney would not have touched this case -IMO and based upon the one's I used to work with. Dan

Dan,

I hope you understand I was talking about bromance having not read the story,not you.

but

I agree with you 100%.

Our system is filled with frivolous cases like this. Yet,as you said, many can not get a fair shake in our system. Sad.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Once again it shows you have not read the story. :rolleyes:

"The situation around the teen and her family initiated an investigation by New Jersey's Division of Child Protection and Permanency (DCPP), which received allegations that Rachel was being abused. The teen wrote in court documents that her school contacted the state agency.
When DCPP staffers interviewed the teen, her parents, and her two younger sisters, they ultimately "determined that allegation of emotional abuse was unfounded," a letter from DCPP states."

Did it ever occur to you that she could have claimed abuse to her attorney before the DCPP reports came out? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Clearly not; you'd rather be consistently right about everything than learn anything.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Did it ever occur to you that she could have claimed abuse to her attorney before the DCPP reports came out? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Clearly not; you'd rather be consistently right about everything than learn anything.

I know, don't you hate it when little things like facts get in the way?

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10 years ago

Phone message Rachel left for her mom in July of last year:

'Hi mom just to let you know you're a real f**king winner aren't you you think you're so cool and you think you caught me throwing up in the bathroom after eating an egg frittatta, yeah sorry that you have problems now and you need to harp on mine because i didn't and i actually took a s*** which i really just wanna s*** all over your face right now because it looks like that anyway, anyway i f***ing hate you and um I've written you off so don't talk to me, don't do anything I'm blocking you from just about everything, have a nice life, bye mom'

What a sweetheart.

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10 years ago

Interesting.

Did Lawyer Who Helped Cheerleader Sue Her Parents Also Get Her Drunk?

Well-connected attorney helping Morris teen pursue lawsuit against parents

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Interesting.

Did Lawyer Who Helped Cheerleader Sue Her Parents Also Get Her Drunk?

Well-connected attorney helping Morris teen pursue lawsuit against parents

Like I said earlier, I hope the parents sue the families pants off. Unlike the other guy, they DO have standing! The family helped encourage their daughter for this, and has pulled them through the courts.

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Kay King 10 years ago

Maybe the family that took her in (and made it possible to sue her parents rather than go home and work it out) - should pay for her college education
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  Maybe the family that took her in (and made it possible to sue her parents rather than go home and work it out) - should pay for her college education
  
  Will they WANT to if they lose a LOT! I mean the punitive damages COULD be a good chunk of the business!
  
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Interesting.

Did Lawyer Who Helped Cheerleader Sue Her Parents Also Get Her Drunk?

Well-connected attorney helping Morris teen pursue lawsuit against parents

To me this explains the rest of the story a little.
Wealthy community vendetta junk.

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Originally Posted by bizgrower

To me this explains the rest of the story a little.
Wealthy community vendetta junk.

Dan

As facts emerge, this story gets increasingly bizarre. It is like a paradigm of avoidable problems specific to rich people, lol. A story to amuse the peasants.
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Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Phone message Rachel left for her mom in July of last year:

What a sweetheart.

What a princess. Trash mouth with a drinking problem. I hope her family sues the pants off the family that took her in for a frivolous lawsuit.
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I agree - we only know what we've read - and that's only part of the story. We'll know more when the case goes to court in a few weeks - that should be interesting.
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  Don't think so - she withdrew her lawsuit and the court dismissed it a week or so after she moved back home.
  
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  Don't think so - she withdrew her lawsuit and the court dismissed it a week or so after she moved back home.
  
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  I thought of that - but the info I found today pretty much ends the story anyway.
  
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Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

The only way I can think of is if she's claiming (to her attorney, not publicly) that she's been abused. Abuse, of course, is not always physical. We'll probably never know about that part of the story, but either way, there has to be a lot more going on here than has been reported.

Actually, the judge hired an investigator and the investigator's report was that she was a spoiled rotten brat. If setting house rules and making inhabitants abide by them is abuse, then she was horribly abused. :rolleyes:

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10 years ago

I'd like to have a word with the parents who are housing her.

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10 years ago

When I was young my parents could in no way afford college. My mother was a waitress (and a single mother), my father was a roofer (and not real supportive monetarily). So college was never on the table for us (didn't have the grades or play any sports to warrant a scholarship).

My wife, however, went to college. Her parents told her up front - "while you're in school, we'll pay the student loans. Once you finish they're all yours." I think that's a good compromise...

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10 years ago

I was thinking about it. I hope she wins the case against her parents. If she won the case, it would probably be much more effective than condoms alone in controlling the over-population problem.

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10 years ago

Kim, I know. Just sayin' (I miss Alexa Smith) a competent attorney would not have taken
this case and admonished the girl for even trying. And, not even considered the "oooh
publicity" factor. Dan

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10 years ago

there has to be a lot more going on here

The old "where's there smoke?" There could also be a lot less going on ...

Most of us here are posting about what we've read or heard on the news about this - you seem to be making up scenarios.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

The old "where's there smoke?" There could also be a lot less going on ...

Most of us here are posting about what we've read or heard on the news about this - you seem to be making up scenarios.

The only reason there's "a lot more going on" is that most of what both sides said has not been made public. This does not necessarily contradict what has been made public. People like you and me don't know for sure either way.

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I agree - we only know what we've read - and that's only part of the story.

We'll know more when the case goes to court in a few weeks - that should be interesting.
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10 years ago

I can't imagine this is happening in other countries. Maybe the reason why it is not happening here in my place because of the expensive lawsuit cases (LOL). Seriously, parents should explain honestly to their children if they can't really afford financially. I am sure they can understand with open communications at home.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by malouisa

I can't imagine this is happening in other countries. Maybe the reason why it is not happening here in my place because of the expensive lawsuit cases (LOL). Seriously, parents should explain honestly to their children if they can't really afford financially. I am sure they can understand with open communications at home.

HERE, we have a term.... "SPOILED BRAT". It often refers to a kid that was SO FREELY given SO MUCH that they expect that they will ALWAYS have such free access.

They often grow up to be rather worthless, but DEMANDING! The daughter here is a GOOD example!

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10 years ago

Here is how WIKIPEDIA explains it:

Spoiled child - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A spoiled child (spelt "spoilt" in British English), also known as a spoiled "brat" in a derogatory way, is a child or adolescent that exhibits behavioral problems from overindulgence by his or her parents. Children and teens who are perceived as spoiled may be described as "overindulged", "grandiose", "narcissistic" or "egocentric-regressed". There is no accepted scientific definition of what "spoiled" means, and professionals are often unwilling to use the label because it is considered vague and derogatory.[1] Being spoiled is not recognized as a mental disorder in any of the medical manuals, such as the ICD-10[2] or the DSM-IV,[3] neither is it part of the proposed revision of this manual, the DSM-5.[4]

I would disagree in that those spoiling aren't always the parents, and the spoiled brat COULD be like 60yo! Of course, older people may realize that they won't get any farther and may change.

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10 years ago

It turns out she is pretty stupid, and a spoiled brat! Look what she wrote on her facebook page! https://www.facebook.com/educationforrachel

Suburban baby boomer types are the spoiled lot, they make massive amount of money a year, they are used to flying to luxury destinations when they want, and buy things that they don't need, people should be inclined to see things Rachel's way.

We have been stunned by the financial greed of modern parents who are more concerned with retiring into some fantasy world rather than provide for their children's college and young adult years.

In today's economy there are no more meaningful jobs and without family help it's usually military or bust. We see parents like this every day, children were always an accessory to them and nothing more, once that accessory grew up and went out of fashion, much like a marriage that people allegedly commit to, the child becomes a throwaway, that's just how it is.

Let me translate this for you....

1. An assumption she expects us to believe is... All throughout history, until this generation, the parent provided everything for the kid, even up to the point they became a millionare! Of course, that is TOTALLY FALSE!

2. She says that Suburban baby boomer types are the spoiled lot, they make massive amount of money a year, they are used to flying to luxury destinations when they want, and buy things that they don't need, people should be inclined to see things Rachel's way. Of course, it is clear that SHE is spoiled. Many baby boomers don't even know if they will have social security. If they do, it will be a MINOR payment anyway.

3. We have been stunned by the financial greed of modern parents who are more concerned with retiring into some fantasy world rather than provide for their children's college and young adult years. She wants people to think that living off hard work is GREEDY! It is GREEDY because you don't spoil your kids until a time THEY determine that is after 18. They want you to concede that after you retire, your only goal in life should be to ROT!

4. In today's economy there are no more meaningful jobs and without family help it's usually military or bust. We see parents like this every day, children were always an accessory to them and nothing more, once that accessory grew up and went out of fashion, much like a marriage that people allegedly commit to, the child becomes a throwaway, that's just how it is. Since NONE of them want to work, and want such grand entitlements, the economy is once again STAGNANT! Much as it was around the time ****I**** started working. So she figures that the parents should provide for the kids.

INTERESTING LITTLE FACT! MOST say the GOVERNMENT should! SHE says the PARENTS! WHY? Could it be because she knows her parents are doing better than many, and she doesn't want to share?

I hope this bites her in the rear and leaves a SCAR!

She ALSO said:

In New Jersey (as in most states) parents are required to support their kids through high school unless legally emancipated, which I'm not. This means that they can NOT put conditions on me being at home, which they did. They can't get out of this. The fact that they cut my tuition was also clear bad faith, and a breach of contract with the school. What did they expect me to do, drop out? I am absolutely amazed at some of the cruel (and legally ignorant) comments I'm reading here.

1.She apparently told them she WAS emancipated. She LEFT! It was like 2 days before she was 18! So they owe her maybe like $40 TOPS, if you were to take it to that degree. Anyway, she IS emancipated according to federal law!

2. They CAN put conditions on you! Most parents DO! They just can't throw you out, for those 2 DAYS without repercussions.

3. OK, the SCHOOL may have standing, SHE doesn't! She COULD pay off that part of the school, or go to public school!

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Rod Cortez

10 years ago

As someone who, at one point, worked 3 jobs and went to night school for several years to pay for my own college tuition, room, and board, I found this girl's case appalling.

The entitlement mentality that some of these kids have is ridiculous. I suspect that sometimes, just sometimes, that the parents are partially to blame for that. <Shrugs Shoulders>

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David Braybrooke

10 years ago

My parents threatened to kick me out at 16, so I counter-threatened by saying I would move-in next door. No court case required ...

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10 years ago

These kids have no shame, suing their parents. Too much spoiling i`d say.

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HeySal

10 years ago

What I keep going back to is the age -- 18. Now when did parents start having legal responsibilities to kids that are 18. That's legal age to kick them out - it's legal age to cut them off support. It shouldn't matter one whit WHAT went on and what didn't. Parents in the US are not legally obligated to put their kids through college, they are not obligated to support a child, or to even allow them in their home at the age of 18. This whole kit and kaboodle is nothing but a distraction.

What of importance is going while you are thinking bout this silliness that "they" don't want you to pay attention to?

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

What I keep going back to is the age -- 18. Now when did parents start having legal responsibilities to kids that are 18. That's legal age to kick them out - it's legal age to cut them off support. It shouldn't matter one whit WHAT went on and what didn't. Parents in the US are not legally obligated to put their kids through college, they are not obligated to support a child, or to even allow them in their home at the age of 18. This whole kit and kaboodle is nothing but a distraction.

What of importance is going while you are thinking bout this silliness that "they" don't want you to pay attention to?

THAT'S the key here! She does NOT want just the education paid, as they often claim. She does NOT want just the current room/board from the family paid as sometimes mentioned. NOT even just for a short period after as claimed.

She wants ALL of that AND practically every penny they have saved for their lives until some future period that is undetermined. So it is like they figure that they should have it better than anyone in the US ever had it, except for some like the waltons(of walmart fame) maybe.

So if I had a child, I am supposed to give that child EVERY penny I saved for my entire life and retire to simply beg on the street for food!?!?!? Kids used to be ECSTATIC if they even got $10,000 in a UGMA account for the future. And they SHOULD BE! I never got any such thing. TODAY, I hear about stupid spoiled brats that have SO MUCH paid for, and demand so much more!

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Kay King

10 years ago

In most states the suit wouldn't make it to court. Apparently New Jersey is different ( ya think?) and parents can be held financially responsible for kids after the age of 18 IF certain parameters exist.

I don't think those parameters will save this kid's lawsuit.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

In most states the suit wouldn't make it to court. Apparently New Jersey is different ( ya think?) and parents can be held financially responsible for kids after the age of 18 IF certain parameters exist.

I don't think those parameters will save this kid's lawsuit.

I could see that if they did something to, or otherwise caused the child to, somehow be impaired in a way to prevent it from being able to fend for itself. This woman is simply seriously SPOILED! Although the medical industry seed this as a problem, it is not in the DSM.

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bizgrower

10 years ago

I think the kid's more or less a pawn in some game the guy funding the lawsuit is playing.
She's too immature to realize what's going on.

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KimW 10 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

I think the kid's more or less a pawn in some game the guy funding the lawsuit is playing.
She's too immature to realize what's going on.

I only 1/2 way agree. I think she is probably a pawn to an extent,but a spoiled rotten pawn that was led to believe that this would make it so she gets her way.

But as Kay pointed out,this is Jersey where it seems everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame and/or wants to be a reality tv star. :rolleyes:
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10 years ago

I am shoks to watch this video.
How it is possible.

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seasoned

10 years ago

Apparently, she has decided about what she wants!

$650/week "child support". BTW, this is $33800/year! I believe the law says this is to stop at 18!

$5000 for the current bills for education.

college tuition

$19,000 lawyer fees.

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MikeAmbrosio

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Apparently, she has decided about what she wants!

$650/week "child support". BTW, this is $33800/year! I believe the law says this is to stop at 18!

$5000 for the current bills for education.

college tuition

$19,000 lawyer fees.

Steve

As someone who paid child support for 15 years I can say that A) the amount is typically based on the salary of the payer (here in NY it is anyway), and B) some states (like NY) the age is 21.

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KimW

10 years ago

Anyone else find it odd that she isn't going for emancipation?

That would make her responsible for herself..... what a concept.

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bizgrower

10 years ago

Child support is a weird angle. It's usually done/ordered when parents are divorcing
and sometimes is agreed to - or ordered - through college, or a certain age past 18.

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MikeAmbrosio

10 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

Child support is a weird angle. It's usually done/ordered when parents are divorcing
and sometimes is agreed to - or ordered - through college, or a certain age past 18.

In NY, I was told by my lawyer that the age to pay until is 21, unless otherwise emancipated. Meaning if at 18 they have a job and are paying for their own apartment, etc. or go in the military, then you can stop (when the court says OK).

Of course, my sons are 25 and 23 now, so perhaps these laws have changed.

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10 years ago

Of course parents want their children to be happy and successful.
But, there's a point where they are not at all responsible for the
happiness or success - or unhappiness or un-success of their adult children.

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lyricaldeb

10 years ago

What happened to "Honor thy Father and thy Mother" !!!

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sbucciarel Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by lyricaldeb

What happened to "Honor thy Father and thy Mother" !!!

I rather suspect that these parents spoiled this kid rotten and contributed to her sense of self-entitlement.

I imagine they are under contractual agreement to finish out the high school tuition and I personally believe that parents are obligated through high school, whether it's a private or public school or home schooling, to see to it that their children are educated. Beyond high school, that's the parents call whether or not they want to or can afford to pay for college or help with the educational bills.

I would pay that high school tuition bill and tell her she's now on her own financially. The lawsuit would eliminate my desire to contribute to her finances. Giving and helping is so much more rewarding when someone doesn't feel entitled to it.
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Banned 10 years ago

The parents got a new lawyer and the Princess has moved back home

Teen back at home of parents she sued

A press conference is scheduled for 1:30 p.m. Wednesday to announce that the New Jersey high school cheerleader who filed a lawsuit against her parents has reunited with her parents.

The parents hired a new lawyer Tuesday who said the case does not belong in the court system and should be settled "in a swift and amicable" way.

Rachel Canning, 18, "has returned home and reunited with her parents and siblings," the lawyer, Angelo Sarno, said Wednesday in a statement. "Her return home is not contingent on any financial and/or other considerations."

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Kay King

10 years ago

Inglesino, who has been taking a public bruising because of his involvement in what Sean and Elizabeth Canning contend is a private family matter, could not be reached immediately for comment. Rachel Canning's lawyer, Tanya Helfand, also was not immediately available.

I expect there's a good story behind the headline.

Think the folks who took her in changed their mind? Think the girl figured out after the first court appearance and a bruising in the media that it wasn't going her way?

I wonder how the parents can put this family back together but hopefully they can ship her off to college soon - pay the bills for her and hope she grows up.

Sidenote: Did anyone else notice the clothing these girls wear? Button down Oxford shirts and v-neck pullovers (monogrammed, of course).. Guess Preppie look never goes out of style?

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I expect there's a good story behind the headline.

Think the folks who took her in changed their mind? Think the girl figured out after the first court appearance and a bruising in the media that it wasn't going her way?

I wonder how the parents can put this family back together but hopefully they can ship her off to college soon - pay the bills for her and hope she grows up.

Sidenote: Did anyone else notice the clothing these girls wear? Button down Oxford shirts and v-neck pullovers (monogrammed, of course).. Guess Preppie look never goes out of style?

I beleve it's a school uniform. Other stuff she wears is not so preppie.

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seasoned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The parents got a new lawyer and the Princess has moved back home

Teen back at home of parents she sued

Well, they apparently DO deserve her, but she is LUCKY! I would likely have said.... NO... NO... You demanded I go with your wishes, and never learned the value of a dollar, so I wouldn't dare deny you the pleasure to find out first hand yourself.

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KimW

10 years ago

Yeah Kay,
I'd say that look has been around for at least 50 years,probably longer.

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Kay King

10 years ago

I wasn't thinking "uniform" because she wore it to court. Just realized looking at the images...I had about half dozen sweaters like that in various colors and Oxford shirts to match them when I was in college....long time ago.

I think perhaps in this story the lawyer who was promoting the girl and housing her found he was taking a bigger hit than expected.

Claims of drunken teen parties at his house - alcohol served to teens in a limo...none of that sounds good in court.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I think perhaps in this story the lawyer who was promoting the girl and housing her found he was taking a bigger hit than expected.

Claims of drunken teen parties at his house - alcohol served to teens in a limo...none of that sounds good in court.

I think you're exactly right on this, Kay.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

I wasn't thinking "uniform" because she wore it to court. Just realized looking at the images...I had about half dozen sweaters like that in various colors and Oxford shirts to match them when I was in college....long time ago.

I think perhaps in this story the lawyer who was promoting the girl and housing her found he was taking a bigger hit than expected.

Claims of drunken teen parties at his house - alcohol served to teens in a limo...none of that sounds good in court.

The teen took a hit as well. Seems public opinion wasn't in her favor on social media. The father is quoted as saying that he is saddened to see his daughter vilified on Facebook and called a spoiled rotten brat. lol.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The teen took a hit as well. Seems public opinion wasn't in her favor on social media. The father is quoted as saying that he is saddened to see his daughter vilified on Facebook and called a spoiled rotten brat. lol.

One person on national radio, NOT SAYING WHO, said the father made an emotional plea of sorts, TO THE COURT, saying that he brought her up in a way many, like me, say ENCOURAGES this behavior!

So the father ADMITTED he spoiled her! WHAT did he expect?

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

One person on national radio, NOT SAYING WHO, said the father made an emotional plea of sorts, TO THE COURT, saying that he brought her up in a way many, like me, say ENCOURAGES this behavior!

So the father ADMITTED he spoiled her! WHAT did he expect?

Steve

I'm not sure I buy that. I've actually known kids raised in lavish abundance who didn't become like her. The truth is, we don't know what went on behind closed doors or caused her to become that way.

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seasoned

10 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

I'm not sure I buy that. I've actually known kids raised in lavish abundance who didn't become like her. The truth is, we don't know what went on behind closed doors or caused her to become that way.

i wasn't referring to the abundance. Some POOR people may act in the same way and a lot of rich people DON'T! But you have some cardashians, and this girl!

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Originally Posted by thunderbird

I'm not sure I buy that. I've actually known kids raised in lavish abundance who didn't become like her. The truth is, we don't know what went on behind closed doors or caused her to become that way.

I think the key to the conflict is the boyfriend. The parents insisted she break up with her boyfriend because they felt he was the reason for her "obsession" with alcohol. So alcohol and the boyfriend were creating the friction between her and her parents.

Having 4 children, one thing I found was that if I hated a girlfriend or boyfriend, DO NOTHING. Nothing at all. Trying to make your kids break up with someone they think they are in love with, solidifies the relationship. If left alone, provided there isn't something really destructive going on, the relationship often fizzles out of its own accord.

Whether she's living at home or not, an 18 year old feels like "an adult." They don't take kindly to house rules. The parents have the absolute right to enforce house rules, but when my children were teens, I gave them more and more rope as they became older. Sometimes I had to turn a blind eye to boyfriends and behavior, but my kids weren't really bad kids at all. I think I was lucky.

The parents' new lawyer is absolutely right in her approach. Mediation and counseling is the way to go. You get litigious lawyers involved and the bonds between parent and child could get damaged permanently. In the long run, this should just be a blip in their relationship and they should be able to look forward to happy times and memories, weddings, grandchildren, accomplishments, etc.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I think the key to the conflict is the boyfriend. The parents insisted she break up with her boyfriend because they felt he was the reason for her "obsession" with alcohol. So alcohol and the boyfriend were creating the friction between her and her parents.

Having 4 children, one thing I found was that if I hated a girlfriend or boyfriend, DO NOTHING. Nothing at all. Trying to make your kids break up with someone they think they are in love with, solidifies the relationship. If left alone, provided there isn't something really destructive going on, the relationship often fizzles out of its own accord.

Whether she's living at home or not, an 18 year old feels like "an adult." They don't take kindly to house rules. The parents have the absolute right to enforce house rules, but when my children were teens, I gave them more and more rope as they became older. Sometimes I had to turn a blind eye to boyfriends and behavior, but my kids weren't really bad kids at all. I think I was lucky.

The parents' new lawyer is absolutely right in her approach. Mediation and counseling is the way to go. You get litigious lawyers involved and the bonds between parent and child could get damaged permanently. In the long run, this should just be a blip in their relationship and they should be able to look forward to happy times and memories, weddings, grandchildren, accomplishments, etc.

Wow, I guess I am one lucky dad. I had no issues with boyfriends/girlfriends, no issues with following house rules, no issues with being spoiled and demanding, no issues with drugs or alcohol...

I think I am going to buy them all something nice

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ThomM 10 years ago

The parents lawyer is on the news right now.
He is saying she went home last night to her parents.
He's also saying to the press to leave them alone so they can all heal and put it behind them.
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seasoned

10 years ago

The teen's side tried to play EVERY angle. They had her dress nice, probably talk nice, they said she was a cheerleader captain(that was OLD news), lacrosse, etc.... They stayed AWAY from the bad language, notes, drunkeness, suspension, apparently bad boyfriend, the fact that he and/or his family wouldn't have her, the fact that she was 18, etc...

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MikeAmbrosio

10 years ago

True - but I was looking at the 0 posts. Been seeing a lot of those lately. Must be some new and popular IM course floating around

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