Kevin Trudeau gets 10-years

10 years ago

Interesting case! The guy sure had charisma too.
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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

I searched the forum (advanced search) by thread title, filtered by the last week results & keyword kevin. Didn't get any hits. I guess the search isn't all that advanced.

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HeySal

10 years ago

He was actually stupid enough to use the word "cure" right in the title? That word, when applied to health, is patent of pharmaceutical/AMA.

I guess from reading the link to the other thread, that he did do some bizarre things. I don't know why using aliases was an issue. People use them all the time when writing or doing business. Using someone else's SS# doesn't cut it though. Shame that people with such high potential have to screw up by getting insane and illegal about stuff.

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Banned 10 years ago

I am bit lost.

Wolf on Wall Street got 2 years...ok he turned over his partners in crime (makes him more or a Wesel in my eyes) but his crimes were a lot worse.

Didn't Bernie Manderhoff get like 50 years?

So, does the punishment vary form state to state I the USA or does it depend on the mood of the judge that day?

There should be few big I.M'ers very scared of the law then

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

I knew he had a history and there was a lot of smoke.

He had a few fans in the courtroom and it was the feds that got him.

10 years??

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10 years ago

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Paul Myers

10 years ago

Mark,

I've seen all sorts of speculation on that. One school of thought is that the health-related claims (specifically, curing dangerous diseases) was the big motivator.

The more credible explanation, in my non-lawyerly eyes, is that judges get Really Cranky when you openly defy the court. Plus, he's apparently got a rather long track record of this stuff.

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Kay King

10 years ago

The guy ignored settlements made with the FTC - tried to hide assets - claimed poverty while spending ridiculous amounts of money...and pretty much thumbed his nose at previous court orders.

This is his third felony conviction and I hope they keep him for a while.

"Since the age of 25, (Trudeau) has attempted to cheat others for his own personal gain," Guzman said in Monday's sentencing hearing.
In a sentencing memo, prosecutors called Trudeau an "unrepentant, untiring, and uncontrollable huckster who has defrauded the unsuspecting for 30 years."

That's a good description of him.

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Paul Myers

10 years ago

Kay,

3rd felony? I didn't know that. That's a better explanation for the sentencing discrepancy than the others.

I never really followed the guy. He's one of those people that I have to make a concerted effort to watch on TV for more than a minute. He doesn't have the social impact to have ever seemed worth the work.

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Kay King

10 years ago

I looked at him curiously in 2004 when he was charged because I was shocked at how many people "stood up" for him. The more I read about him the more I saw him as a glorified huckster.

The comments below credited to Trudeau are typical of his attitude that nothing is his fault and he did nothing much wrong.

In 1990, Trudeau posed as a doctor in order to deposit $80,000 in false checks, and in 1991 he pleaded guilty to larceny.

That same year, Trudeau faced federal charges of credit card fraud after he stole the names and Social Security numbers of eleven customers of a mega memory product and charged $122,735.68 on their credit cards. He spent two years in federal prison because of this conviction. Later, in an interview, he explained his crimes as:

"... youthful indiscretions and not as bad as they sound, and besides, both were partly the fault of other people, and besides, he has changed. The larceny he explains as a series of math errors compounded by the 'mistake' of a bank official. As for why the bank thought he was a doctor, that was just a simple misunderstanding, because he jokingly referred to himself as a 'doctor in memory'. He still can't quite believe he was prosecuted for the larceny charges. 'Give me a break,' he says."

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Ron Lafuddy 10 years ago

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Plus, he's apparently got a rather long track record of this stuff.

Paul,

I think that's the reason right there.

He crossed the line years ago, and he was warned more than once.

When you draw the attention of the 800 pound gorilla, to the point where it singles you out of the crowd for special treatment, you best pay attention.

Seems this fellow ignored the warnings and continued the attention getting behavior.

Very foolish.
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travlinguy

10 years ago

What are the odds he just up and disappears? Wouldn't surprise me. He must have a few beans stashed away for a rainy day. If he does go to the pen he's sure to have every contraband concession there is within a month.

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Ron Lafuddy

10 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

What are the odds he just up and disappears? Wouldn't surprise me. He must have a few beans stashed away for a rainy day. If he does go to the pen he's sure to have every contraband concession there is within a month.

He'll be lucky if he comes out of there alive.
The odds are not in his favor.

The risk, isn't worth the money.

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whateverpedia

10 years ago

Those comments Kay posted would qualify him as certified sociopath.

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travlinguy

10 years ago

There were a couple of big threads about his last transgressions on the main forum a couple of years back. Trudeau has put out some crap as well as some excellent stuff. What burns my butt is that most of the people writing the laws make Kevin look like a Cub Scout in the fraud department

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Paul Myers

10 years ago

W-pedia,

Those comments Kay posted would qualify him as certified sociopath.

Possibly indicative, but hardly conclusive. The rest of it points that way, but that's a strong label to hang on someone without knowing more than most of us will ever get in the media.

I picked up a book this weekend called "the sociopath next door." According to the author, 4% of Americans are genuine sociopaths. Apparently, some countries breed them in greater numbers than others. It will be interesting to see why she believes that to be the case.

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Claude Whitacre

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

W-pedia,Possibly indicative, but hardly conclusive. The rest of it points that way, but that's a strong label to hang on someone without knowing more than most of us will ever get in the media.

I picked up a book this weekend called "the sociopath next door." According to the author, 4% of Americans are genuine sociopaths. Apparently, some countries breed them in greater numbers than others. It will be interesting to see why she believes that to be the case.

Paul

I've read a couple of books on sociopaths, and the 4% rings true. But it's a higher % for CEOs. I honestly suspected I was one myself until I read the case histories.

Can you be addicted to scamming?

Trudeau is a skilled pitchman. But always being one step ahead of the law? That sounds like a symptom to me. Maybe it's a thrill....like the thrill of gambling.

He really tapped into a vein with his "..they don't want you to know about" series. And people with strong biases tend to make the best buyers.

But using another's Soc Sec number? Credit card fraud? That just sounds so small. Not a small crime, I mean it makes him a small time loser.

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Kay King

10 years ago

I doubt very much those writing the laws committed credit card fraud or stole identities to do that. I doubt if they passed bad checks either.

It's one thing I don't understand about Trudeau: otherwise intelligent people seem inclined to agree with Trudeau that "it's not such a big deal".

It IS a big deal when you run your infomercials two years after a court demanded you stop. It IS a big deal when you reach a financial settlement and refuse to honor it. It IS a big deal when you blatantly lie about products you are selling and about their safety.

He has played into the anti-govt and anti-legal mentality of some people online. There's a segment of the population that will support anyone who claims to be "anti-" one thing or another or claims to be a victim of "the man". Trudeau is an expert at telling people what they want to hear - but it didn't work in court this time.

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Kay King 10 years ago

I think "sociopath" is bandied about quite freely.

My own thought is that narcissism is sometimes interpreted as "sociopathic". We live in a society that seems to encourage narcissistic traits. Someone totally focused on "me" has little concern for "you".
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travlinguy

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I doubt very much those writing the laws committed credit card fraud or stole identities to do that. I doubt if they passed bad checks either.

Oh my! Where have you been, Kay? I don't have time to gather it all up but there are plenty of cases (maybe not stolen identity but stolen everything else). One that stands out is here: Congressional Post Office scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think only one guy was actually prosecuted but there were dozens with dirty hands.

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Kay King

10 years ago

In that case, it was a Postmaster that pleaded guilty. If other hands were dirty, they weren't dirty enough to get caught.

Are you saying crimes must be "the worst" or prosecuted by "squeaky clean" justice systems in order to find someone guilty?

The argument makes no sense to me - sorry. Trudeau broke the law and you can't excuse that by pointing to others and saying "well, they did something, too". That's been his method all along.

It didn't work this time.

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travlinguy

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

In that case, it was a Postmaster that pleaded guilty. If other hands were dirty, they weren't dirty enough to get caught.

Are you saying crimes must be "the worst" or prosecuted by "squeaky clean" justice systems in order to find someone guilty?

The argument makes no sense to me - sorry. Trudeau broke the law and you can't excuse that by pointing to others and saying "well, they did something, too". That's been his method all along.

It didn't work this time.

I'm not defending him. He's been long overdue for a major slap. My only point is that we have people getting up before millions of people everyday and lying through their teeth. They make promises they never keep with complete immunity to punishment and big smiles while throwing good money down the toilet for only God knows what.

There's no point in getting into specifics because it's against the rules here and it's too far off the topic of Trudeau. I should have never brought it up. I apologize to the OP.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

I find it interesting that he was able to run the infomercials 32,000 times & they didn't mention any TV/cable stations getting into trouble for profiting off the same scheme.

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Claude Whitacre

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I find it interesting that he was able to run the infomercials 32,000 times & they didn't mention any TV/cable stations getting into trouble for profiting off the same scheme.

They were selling advertising. They weren't his partner. He was their customer, that's all.

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yukon

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

They were selling advertising. They weren't his partner. He was their customer, that's all.

So the guy could have been selling crack & the TV/cable stations would be ok with that since they don't filter out products that break laws? The guy has been in the news for years. Everyone in marketing knows his name.

Lol, the claim to have a cancer cure might have been a red flag.

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Claude Whitacre

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

So the guy could have been selling crack & the TV/cable stations would be ok with that since they don't filter out products that break laws?

C'mon, the guy has been in the news for years. Everyone in marketing knows his name.

Lol, the claim to have a cancer cure might have been a red flag.

You misunderstand. It has nothing to do with his offer. He was buying advertising. if you think the TV stations care what you sell, you would be mistaken.

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yukon

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

You misunderstand. It has nothing to do with his offer. He was buying advertising. if you think the TV stations care what you sell, you would be mistaken.

It kinda has everything to do with his offer. Without TV/cable stations airing his infomercials he wouldn't have made millions from that traffic source.

Just because someone signs a contract doesn't let them off the hook for illegal activities. Obviously the TV/cable stations knew what was going on, it's their business to know what's being promoted on their stations.

Maybe he didn't drag the stations into it so he can get back on the money train when he's released from prison which will probably be around 5 years from now. Just enough time to come up with the next 5 best sellers.

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TimPhelan 10 years ago

There are many people, including quite a few here at this forum, who believe that there are cancer cures that the government is suppressing. It's one of the original conspiracy theories and isn't going away apparently.

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Lol, the claim to have a cancer cure might have been a red flag.
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bizgrower

10 years ago

What gets me is that he used his own Mom's SSN to create false identities.

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