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stupid news stories - tabloid TV?

by Kay King
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California woman says gym told her to cover up because she was intimidating members | Fox News

Woman joins Planet Fitness - which has clear regulations for attire and you agree to when you join.

Now she's saying it's discriminatory to make her cover up????

Go to another gym, stupid.

Increasing number of stories like this on all cable news channels...looks like they get their news from the internet.
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BY LAW! Planet Fitness has to throw out members like this! They actually ADVERTISE it on TV! If they refused to throw out THIS member, others could have the FTC sue them for false advertising!

    BUT, I guess it is the 100years of the suit! I can't really say CENTURY, since it probably started around 1960.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    If those who are supposedly intimidated by her toned body looked to her body as what is possible, maybe they would be inspired instead of intimidated.

    It seems just another case of lowering the bar so those who don't measure up can feel better about themselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Dennis -

      I've seen much better bodies than hers at Planet Fitness. The goal there is a low cost place where anyone at any level of fitness can work out and improve. There are some very toned people there and some who aren't.

      When you join you are given a one page list of rules/regs and a dress code is included - and you sign it. I get tired of people who agree to something and then don't want it to apply to them.

      PF is designed to avoid standard practices in other gyms. No leering, no comments, no rudeness, no tossing of weights or showing off...

      I doubt she was seriously told she was "too toned" unless it was said as a way to avoid embarrassing or angering her. She was offered a tshirt so she could finish her workout - she refused. She was refunded her member fee before she left.

      Now she can join a gym where people wear "look at me" clothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I don't disagree with anything you just said, Kay. I still think, if the people who felt intimidated changed their attitude/perspective, they might be inspired instead of intimidated. It seems they're more interested in putting their comfort ahead of their weight loss goals. I'm not saying the rules or enforcement of the rules is wrong, or bad, in any way. My comment is more reflective of how I'd be most likely respond if I were in that situation. Sometimes a little discomfort is a good motivator.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Ordinarily I might agree, Dennis.

      I haven't looked at the rules for a time but I think it clearly says "no bare midriffs".

      The gym said it was members reporting her attire that led to them taking action. They aren't inspired by someone violating rules they observe.

      Her reaction is not that different form someone who joins here - breaks the rules and then complains when called out on it. I can't put an affiliate link in my signature no matter how stylish and cute the link is....:p
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    Not that I think she is all "that" toned, but she's better off going to a gym that doesn't have a bunch of insecure fatties who can't bear to see people with better bodies than theirs. TOS are TOS and she should have noted them, although I rarely ever read every word of TOS myself. Her outfit was fairly conservative by gym standards. I've seen much more revealing and personally, I think gawking at great looking bodies at a gym is one of the benefits of gym membership. I find it motivating (the women), and stimulating (the men )
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I know I sure wouldn't be taking tips on physical fitness from anyone who wasn't rock solid and able to show off a very impressive midrift. Not sure why a gym would have a TOS against showing a midrift - there are a lot of gym outfits that have the half top spandex shirts. I'm thinking it wasn't a rule to cover her beautifully toned body - but to protect the vision of people who might be subjected to some of the fatties that don't understand that when it's not pretty, it needs to be covered.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I was ALSO going to say she doesn't looked toned, or all that great. She DOES sound narcissistic though, to go to ALL this trouble complaining about it. If I were her, I would just demand a refund and leave. But YEAH, a lot of overweight people would feel out of place around buff or toned people, so there IS a market there. This woman is on the thin side, but that is as far as I would say she is.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Again Kay, I'm not disagreeing with you. Just saying my reaction would have been different, and I think, healthier. I've been wrong before though. Happened once back in '63. Of course, I was only 8 at the time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      have a bunch of insecure fatties
      Little snide going on there?

      I wonder who is insecure - the young mother in sweats and a t-shirt running full out on a treadmill ...or this young woman in her hot pink designer workout clothes.

      Where I live, PF is mostly young marrieds and older people keeping in shape. No contracts, cheap price, plenty of equipment, open 24 hrs (shift workers love that).
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Little snide going on there?

        I wonder who is insecure - the young mother in sweats and a t-shirt running full out on a treadmill ...or this young woman in her hot pink designer workout clothes.

        Where I live, PF is mostly young marrieds and older people keeping in shape. No contracts, cheap price, plenty of equipment, open 24 hrs (shift workers love that).
        Yeah ... it was. Sorry. Just seems weird to me that that outfit is even an issue in a gym. I could understand it if it were a thong, but that outfit? She may have been running full out in her designer hot pink workout clothes as well. It would appear so, since she is in good shape.

        I think the fact that one or some bother to report her is telling. What emotion or thought process would make someone in a gym, allegedly there to improve their own physical condition, report someone's outfit (particularly one that really isn't offensive in any way). I can only think of envy, jealousy, spite. Why would anyone really take time from their own workout to report that outfit? What does it matter to them? I guess they don't know what mind your own business means or live and let live.

        I think it's ridiculous it ended up in the news at all. She got a refund and I would have just trotted off and joined a gym that was more fun with people who were less focused on what everyone is wearing, and that you were free to wear designer hot pink midriff showing workout clothes if you want to.

        This whole thing reminds me of the poor Little Pony guy. Don't toe the line and look and act like everyone else and there will be consequences. How dare he go to school with a My Little Pony lunchbox? How dare you come in here in a hot pink designer workout outfit when "we" wear tshirts? This whole herd mentality is a real turn off to me. Of course, it's probably why I wasn't in the "in crowd" in school. I didn't follow the "agenda."



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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          This whole thing reminds me of the poor Little Pony guy. Don't toe the line and look and act like everyone else and there will be consequences. How dare he go to school with a My Little Pony lunchbox? How dare you come in here in a hot pink designer workout outfit when "we" wear tshirts? This whole herd mentality is a real turn off to me. Of course, it's probably why I wasn't in the "in crowd" in school. I didn't follow the "agenda."
          Well, I certainly was in the "in crowd", Heck, in a NUMBER of ways I don't fit in. But it is like having a case of acne. That kid with my little pony is almost like a guy with leprosy!

          Nobody is perfect. Nobody is going to fit the mold of the PERFECT "COOL PERSON" all the time. You never even know why THE cool person is at that level. I went to a school once where a lot of people weren't treated very well. One kid treated it LITERALLY like a resort! WHY? Well, his father was VERY rich/famous and one thing he bought was a lot of marijuana. So the school wanted to be nice to him, and the others wanted to join in on the parties.

          It looks like he may have leveraged it well, but what if he hadn't?

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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            This whole thing reminds me of the poor Little Pony guy.
            Sure does!

            What emotion or thought process would make someone in a gym
            That same one that says "he can't have more than I do - it's not fair" or "if I have to abide by the rules, so does she"...the longer term members who say "we don't do that here"....

            I'm surprised she wasn't stopped by employees at the signin desk - maybe she was more covered up when she walked in? The consensus here seems to be the rules don't apply to those who look good? It's that mindset that Planet Fitness discourages.

            Interesting reactions.
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              Sure does!



              That same one that says "he can't have more than I do - it's not fair" or "if I have to abide by the rules, so does she"...the longer term members who say "we don't do that here"....

              I'm surprised she wasn't stopped by employees at the signin desk - maybe she was more covered up when she walked in? The consensus here seems to be the rules don't apply to those who look good? It's that mindset that Planet Fitness discourages.

              Interesting reactions.
              The rules do apply. Someone thought that keeping her out of the gym was important enough to stop working out and report it, so she's gone. Again ... I think she should have just skipped merrily away and be happy that she will be doing business with a gym focused on more important things.
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    Tabloid TV. Kinda redundant terminology these days, wouldn't you say?
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    I don't see how she could be construed as intimidating.
    This is just weird to me. People should just work out
    instead of comparing themselves to others.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      I don't see how she could be construed as intimidating.
      This is just weird to me. People should just work out
      instead of comparing themselves to others.
      My guess is they weren't intimidated as much as they felt a sense of shame for being much less fit.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I just did some basic research on Planet Fitness. That woman should have also done some research. She clearly doesn't belong there. What a strange gym. Providing a "judgement free" zone by judging people. lol.

    Here's a few excerpts that caught my eye:


    • On our once-a-month Pizza Night, we give away 250,000 slices nationwide. That's more than 3 million slices a year!
    • We hand out more than a million Tootsie Rolls every month.
    • "As a token of appreciation for its members, Planet Fitness also provides free pizza on the first Monday of every month, and free bagels on the on the second Tuesday of every month."



    Planet Fitness Removes Squat Racks For Being Too 'Intimidating' To The New Year's Resolution Crowd

    "I walked in (luckily not on leg day) noticing the outline of dust on the floor where the squat rack once stood. I was heartbroken. Especially since I had just recently found a love for squatting (was always afraid due to my knee condition).

    I of course had to ask an employee "WTF?" He regretfully told me that a few days prior corporate came in and removed it because "a customer complained that it was intimidating"..."


    Unique features include free pizza every first Monday, free bagels every second Tuesday and a "lunk alarm" that blares a siren and flashes a blue light when gym-goers violate prohibitions on grunting and other bodybuilding behavior.


    But despite the chain's promise of "no judgments," the staff will most certainly judge your ass if they decide you're working out with any level of real effort. Why? Because it makes the other members feel bad about themselves.

    In fact, if you exercise with such intensity that your exhalations become audible, a "LUNK ALARM" goes off. According to Planet Fitness, a "lunk" is someone who "grunts, drops weights, or judges."

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It is unusual for a gym - but it's clear about what it is. That was my point - this woman read and signed the rules sheet...

      I've never seen any food at the gym so don't know about that.
      I think the lunk alarm is pretty stupid and I've never heard it go off where I worked out.

      I have been a member of many gyms where i was the toned one in the bare clothes - I know what goes on and it's the studly dudleys tossing weights for attention and the members making passes and comments that PF wants to avoid. It is the unique selling point of this fitness company...along with the low price.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I have been a member of many gyms where i was the toned one in the bare clothes - I know what goes on and it's the studly dudleys tossing weights for attention and the members making passes and comments that PF wants to avoid.
        I've been a member too. Honestly, I never noticed what other people were doing or wearing. I was working out and a friendly "pass" never bothered me when I was single. That's what single people do. They flirt and date.

        It would appear that Planet Fitness finds Muslim women with a head scarf on their "intimidating" list and denied service to a member wearing one.

        Planet Fitness kicked Muslim woman out for wearing head scarf: lawsuit* - NY Daily News

        This particular PF wouldn't allow it, while another would.

        PF is really ridiculous. They're calling it a bandana and that they have TOS against wearing a bandana, you know, the thing you wear around your head to catch sweat when you're working out? They pretend to be a fitness club and don't allow workout clothes if they look too good in them. I look for them to be getting involved in more lawsuits along the way as they continue to kick people out for stupid things under the guise of being non-judgmental.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          That story is odd - I've seen women at PF here wearing an hijab. In the photo that woman is wearing a head scarf, not an hijab.

          In fact, the company spokesman countered that the employee did not know the scarf had religious significant.

          I don't understand why this story would be "news" either - that was my original point in this thread. The story is exaggerated - she might be Muslim but that's not a muslim scarf she is wearing.

          I wouldn't care if the scarf was worn or the cutesy pink workout clothes - but I don't understand why news is showing these two women as "victims" when the business rules are clearly stated.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            I don't understand why this story would be "news" either - that was my original point in this thread. The story is exaggerated - she might be Muslim but that's not a muslim scarf she is wearing.

            I wouldn't care if the scarf was worn or the cutesy pink workout clothes - but I don't understand why news is showing these two women as "victims" when the business rules are clearly stated.
            It looks like most of the scarves they wear in our area. I don't think there's a particular "Muslim" scarf but a scarf that Muslim women wear in a particular way and some Americanized Muslims are more casual and modern than older ones and their clothing (and scarves) reflect that choice.

            This PF knew she was Muslim. Muslim women wearing scarves is not a violation of the PF TOS, according to Corporate. They didn't seem to mind her Muslim scarf when they took her money for a 2-year membership that she'd purchased.

            Muslim women getting kicked out of anywhere in the US for wearing a scarf is going to be news, especially if they sue. The two cases aren't even similar. The first one is exactly the type of woman they don't want ... fit, toned, nicely dressed. They make that pretty clear that if you're a fitness success story, you don't belong at Planet Fitness. The other is clearly a woman who was discriminated against for wearing an article of clothing (not against their TOS) in keeping with her religious beliefs. Good luck to PF winning that one.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              Maybe it's run differently in different areas. People I saw in my local PF were quite fit and serious about exercising - I've seen women there wearing hijabs. There is a traditional design for the head covering and she wasn't wearing it in the photo - she even said that.

              PF hires young people here to mind the desk and check member cards - I wonder if perhaps they need to hire smarter people!

              If could be some of the PF's are full of fat people (if they stick with the gym they won't be as fat) - but the one here isn't. In my time at PF I never heard the "lunk alarm" go off, either so maybe we have a top of line facility here.
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                Maybe it's run differently in different areas. People I saw in my local PF were quite fit and serious about exercising - I've seen women there wearing hijabs. There is a traditional design for the head covering and she wasn't wearing it in the photo - she even said that.

                PF hires young people here to mind the desk and check member cards - I wonder if perhaps they need to hire smarter people!

                If could be some of the PF's are full of fat people (if they stick with the gym they won't be as fat) - but the one here isn't. In my time at PF I never heard the "lunk alarm" go off, either so maybe we have a top of line facility here.
                It sounds like you're with a well run PF. Just based on what I've read, I'd stay away from them, but I don't go to gyms anymore anyway. I get exercise here in the country taking care of animals and walking dogs. I'm not as interested in being as "buff" as I once was.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  Did you read the comments on the "scarf" page? Even the complaining woman admits she was wearing "an informal head scarf" and not the mulim head covering which has a name and a specific style.

                  This troublemaker would be the first to file a lawsuit when her head garb got caught in the equipment.
                  I think my distaste for people that push the limits and then whine discrimination overrides my distaste of a workout place that has restrictive rules. Maybe that's where we differ.
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                    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                    Did you read the comments on the "scarf" page? Even the complaining woman admits she was wearing "an informal head scarf" and not the mulim head covering which has a name and a specific style.

                    I think my distaste for people that push the limits and then whine discrimination overrides my distaste of a workout place that has restrictive rules. Maybe that's where we differ.
                    I personally don't think that a Muslim woman wearing an informal scarf over a formal one is an issue that a gym should address (and here she's already being called a troublemaker for wearing her scarf). If that's the definition of troublemaker in society ... well, that's pretty sad.

                    I think where we differ most is I don't care for businesses based on such petty, arbitrary exclusion of people. People who "breath too hard or loud while exercising," people who grunt while doing something strenuous, people who wear a headband to catch the sweat from rolling down their faces, people who like hot pink, chic designer work out clothes ... all of this is what I expect to find in a gym and I don't like their exclusion of this, whether or not I would grunt, breathe hard, or wear handbands and designer workout clothes.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                      The one I went to permits head bands but I don't think they'd allow a scarf with loose flowing ends as in the photo you linked to. I have seen Muslim head scarves worn but they didn't have the loose ends hanging down.

                      I've always thought a business has a right to set certain restrictions or limits and people have a right to not use a business with polices they don't like.

                      I don't think any gym would allow someone to work out on equipment with a flowing scarf on - that's asking for a lawsuit. Too many gears, pulleys and ropes around for that.

                      I don't go to PF any more - like you, I prefer walks and runs outside instead.
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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                        The one I went to permits head bands but I don't think they'd allow a scarf with loose flowing ends as in the photo you linked to. I have seen Muslim head scarves worn but they didn't have the loose ends hanging down.

                        I've always thought a business has a right to set certain restrictions or limits and people have a right to not use a business with polices they don't like.

                        I don't think any gym would allow someone to work out on equipment with a flowing scarf on - that's asking for a lawsuit. Too many gears, pulleys and ropes around for that.

                        I don't go to PF any more - like you, I prefer walks and runs outside instead.
                        The word from corporate in the article is that they do allow Muslin women to wear scarves. The Muslim woman offered to go home and put on her traditional scarf and the facility that kicked her out for wearing a scarf refused to allow it.

                        Businesses have rights to conduct business the way they want, but there are restrictions on discrimination that are law and they are not above the law. I imagine that corporate will be settling with this woman soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Is the lunk alarm REALLY like the one in that video? If so, I, and many I have known, would simply walk out and cancel our accounts. Talk about ANNOYING!

    For grunting, it is like taking a firehouse to anyone that is perspiring!

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    I always kind of liked this guy. He chimed in here!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mwncthWpPw

    MAN, that covers a LOT, right down to racism, and the recent rash of homosexual lawsuits!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      He's right -though it took him a lot of words to get there.

      The comments below the video are pretty standard about Planet Fitness.

      He got the message, though.

      This is not a business designed to serve - or interested in attracting - weight lifters, body builders, serious workout experts. That's not the target market.

      I think it's odd there are so many rude commments about people who work out there.....is that some kind of discrimination in itself? The comments are in this thread, too - if you aren't thin, buff and toned you shouldn't be in a gym? Seems to me that's exactly where you should be!

      Average people don't have the right to work out where they feel comfortable? It's not ok to go to a gym unless it's populated with hunks and divas to look at? It's not OK to design a fitness center catering to young parents, office workers, shift workers - and other people with jobs and lives not focused on spending hours in a gym?

      How dare a company run a gym with equipment suited for non-pros, and non-body builders? No squat racks? OMG - that's discrimination.

      These people need to get a life...and pay for the kind of gym they want to join.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        The Muslim woman offered to go home and put on her traditional scarf and the facility that kicked her out for wearing a scarf refused to allow it.
        This woman's claim is bogus in my opinion. She is now appearing in various YouTube videos spouting about her lawsuit....and she has no head covering on at all. Muslim when you want to be?

        This is being posed as racial profiling on some blogs - where black women claim they can't wear head coverings. PF has issued comments that religious head coverings are allowed.

        The woman did not have a traditional head covering on - she was wearing a standard scarf and if she did offer to change I expect it was after a bit of a scene.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        He's right -though it took him a lot of words to get there.

        The comments below the video are pretty standard about Planet Fitness.

        He got the message, though.

        This is not a business designed to serve - or interested in attracting - weight lifters, body builders, serious workout experts. That's not the target market.

        I think it's odd there are so many rude commments about people who work out there.....is that some kind of discrimination in itself? The comments are in this thread, too - if you aren't thin, buff and toned you shouldn't be in a gym? Seems to me that's exactly where you should be!

        Average people don't have the right to work out where they feel comfortable? It's not ok to go to a gym unless it's populated with hunks and divas to look at? It's not OK to design a fitness center catering to young parents, office workers, shift workers - and other people with jobs and lives not focused on spending hours in a gym?

        How dare a company run a gym with equipment suited for non-pros, and non-body builders? No squat racks? OMG - that's discrimination.

        These people need to get a life...and pay for the kind of gym they want to join.
        Yeah, Gym is a paradox. You go there, HOPEFULLY, to work out. if you do so, you WILL get stronger and slimmer. Unfortunately, sleeping and eating make you weaker and fatter.

        MOST people OBVIOUSLY succumb to the later to some degree. That means that people starting out may be fat and weak, and many END UP that way.

        To make things WORSE, MOST, including ELIOTT, the guy in that video I put the link to, suggest one or more CHEAT DAYS! YEP, eating the kind of stuff he seems to HATE here, and what PF sells.

        MOST gyms try to separate these groups, cater to a sub group, and/or just say LIVE WITH IT! PF says that they simply want to cater to the sensitive or shy people, and ask people that look too good, show off, gloat, harass, etc... to leave.

        Steve
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    So what happens when you get unfat. Do they sound the lunk alarm and terminate your membership.

    It sounds to me like a conspiracy to make America fat.

    The goal of this gym is not really to workout, it is to make people fat in perpuitiy
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      That makes no sense - and you knew it before you posted.

      The people I saw when I exercised there were often folks I work with - people with jobs and families who have limited time but want to stay fit and healthy. They weren't overweight - but weren't interested in being "buff" either - just staying fit and healthy.

      The truth is truly high end workout people won't like PF - the equipment isn't as challenging as you find in upscale gyms. The folks complaining are the ones wanting to be a big fish in a small pond...and finding out the pond scum isn't interested.

      I quit because I realized if I'm going to work out in a gym - I need a steam room and sauna to make it worthwhile.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      So what happens when you get unfat. Do they sound the lunk alarm and terminate your membership.

      It sounds to me like a conspiracy to make America fat.

      The goal of this gym is not really to workout, it is to make people fat in perpuitiy
      I think they are ok with you being whatever as long as you don't make noise, drop/threow weights, act like you are so great, taunt, or look like you are swimming, or in a fitness pageant.

      Steve
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