Could you be a Sociopath ? A lot of Arseholes in your Life could very well be

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One of my best friends and room mates from College was in town recently. He is a Medical Doctor/Psychiatrist.

Since we were teenagers we have always had extremely interesting conversations that can go on for hours and hours on end.

One of the topics we talk about and have for many years now is about hardened criminals and the mind set of many of them.

He always tells me that less than 1% of the violent and brutal crimes in Society are committed by people with Mental illness.

The other 99% of the people can be pinpointed as being real sociopaths/psychopaths .

It is kind of funny in a dark way but he says that in his medical opinion these individuals should be simply shot and done away with. They are bad seeds and evil. (Yeah believe it or not a psychariatrist saying this LOL)

And that there is absolutely no cure for a Sociopath.

As a doctor he has done much study on it and said that certain parts of the brain in some people are totally underdeveloped or malformed where important thought patterns are formed.

The major emotion that these people lack in these hot spots of the brain are Empathy.

As a result because of this structurally screwed up brain, the Sociopath cannot help from being extremely deceitful and manipulating people to get what they want at all cost. They have this grandiose image of themselves and that they deserve everything and will not stop at getting it until they ruin other people's Life.

What really kind of was an 'aha aha' moment when I talked to him was when he said that I probably have run into a number of real Sociopaths in my Life and just chalked it up as these people being huge A-holes !! More likely not serial killer type sociopaths but very evil and extremely destructive.

So last night I was thinking about this notion and over the years I was thinking about all the experiences I had with different people. And there were a few that were just totally right on bulls eye as being true sociopaths.

I think people throw around that term ' oh he is just a psychopath' as a casual type comment to show dissatisfaction with another person's behavior.

But in all reality many of you , whether it be in business or just everyday life, could have actually been dealing with a true psychopath/sociopath !

Something to think about.
  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    OK....
    I never really 'got' the whole "Arse" thing.
    "Arse"? Really?
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Your friend was talking about the criminals that are sociopaths. I've done quite a bit of research into what is a sociopath, what makes them that way, and how you can tell if someone is a sociopath.

      It's really about 4% of the population. Your friend is talking about criminal psychopaths. But there are sociopaths in nearly every group. Some never show any difference from anyone else. Most aren't criminals. Some never commit a crime. And they aren't evil. They just don't have the capacity for empathy. Sometimes that leads to criminal activity, sometimes not.

      They see other people as assets to help them get what they want. Some are stupid, some smart. Some have evil tendencies, some don't. Although chronic lying is a symptom, it isn't shared by all sociopaths.

      And as they mature, most sociopaths (except for the brain damaged) learn how to blend in. They fake emotions, engage in conversations they care nothing about, and talk to people that they find intolerable.

      Some sociopaths are thrill seekers. In fact, it's a common trait. More CEOs are sociopaths than the general population. And are there more sociopaths in prison than in the general population...but it's only about 20%.

      There are standardized tests to determine sociopathy.

      I have several of the traits of a sociopath. And I've done research (serious research. Studying books by psychiatrists and brain pathologists who specialize in the field) to see if I was really a sociopath. There are levels of sociopathy, just as there are levels of autism or schizophrenia.

      Anyway, it's a fascinating study.

      By the way, a smart sociopath wouldn't act like an arsehole. They would likely be polite, friendly, helpful.....and may even save you from a burning building. But, if they don't like you, and see you having a heart attack, they may just watch, because they would find it fascinating.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I have several of the traits of a sociopath.
        I smell a Riffle moment approaching.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Your friend was talking about the criminals that are sociopaths. I've done quite a bit of research into what is a sociopath, what makes them that way, and how you can tell if someone is a sociopath.

        It's really about 4% of the population. Your friend is talking about criminal psychopaths. But there are sociopaths in nearly every group. Some never show any difference from anyone else. Most aren't criminals. Some never commit a crime. And they aren't evil. They just don't have the capacity for empathy. Sometimes that leads to criminal activity, sometimes not.
        No actually he was not just talking about criminal sociopath. It was definitely not into that one direction.

        It veered off into non-violent sociopaths. Actually, much of the last several conversations have had veered off into non-violent sociopaths.

        Hence, the reason why I mentioned that many people run into sociopaths in everyday Life and that includes in business

        After over 25 years of discussing topics like this with my friend including probably over 100 hours devoted strictly towards what a Sociopath is ( yeah we get OCD about it LOL) this is a common misconception that smart Sociopaths are undetectable or so smart that people do not 'know what hit them'.

        We have literally gone over case by case where he has actually confronted individuals in his Practice that had Sociopath inclinations.

        They might not seem like a-holes at first but their end result is absolutely manifested in events that are sooner or later realized by another person ( someone who is versed about their evil ways) who gets rolled over by their selfish desires.

        Here is the thing with a Sociopath. There is absolutely NO feeling to have Love. They have never felt it before from anyone else.

        BTW, trust me many, many socios are quite evil, ! Bad seed kind of evil.

        I could tell you horror stories that would make your skin curl.

        But many of them cannot imagine why and how others in Society have feelings for complete strangers when something bad has happened. It is totally foreign to them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          But many of them cannot imagine why and how others in Society have feelings for complete strangers when something bad has happened. It is totally foreign to them.
          There is a difference between studying sociopaths, and studying sociopaths that are being treated, or in jail. Again, there are levels of sociopathy. Many never get on the radar.

          Your friend, the psychiatrist is dead on about his experience, and about the sociopaths he has seen and treated. But many sociopaths go through life, not making waves, not getting caught (if they are doing something that is illegal), or not being reported by family members.

          A lot of sociopathic kids are being protected by their parents. Their scared loving parents.

          I find the study of these people fascinating.
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            There is a difference between studying sociopaths, and studying sociopaths that are being treated, or in jail. Again, there are levels of sociopathy. Many never get on the radar.

            Your friend, the psychiatrist is dead on about his experience, and about the sociopaths he has seen and treated. But many sociopaths go through life, not making waves, not getting caught (if they are doing something that is illegal), or not being reported by family members.

            A lot of sociopathic kids are being protected by their parents. Their scared loving parents.

            I find the study of these people fascinating.
            yeah, it is extremely fascinating. I think what just intrigues me so much is how someone can have a brain that is so different than mine.

            Now I am not saying that I have not been guilty of being sly or deceitful inr my Life. Or at one time or another had a deficiency in Empathy towards others ,because I have.

            But this notion of literally not EVER feeling Love and not even know what that feeling is like is perplexing.

            I think I am fascinated by it because in some weird way it is scary.

            What if my young kids start showing this ? Or what if one day I just woke up and I started feeling like this ?

            I know it does not work that way (as far as waking up.) But it still is alarming to some degree.
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              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              But this notion of literally not EVER feeling Love and not even know what that feeling is like is perplexing.
              I'm not at all certain that they NEVER feel love. The sociopath that I knew appeared to be a normal boy growing up ... until, that is, his mother and father divorced. Neither parent wanted him and his sister. They both had new spouses and new lives and didn't want to be bothered. They both refused custody of their two teenagers. They ended up at a Grandmothers' house who also didn't want them. Then they hit the streets, Chad to become a first class sociopath and his sister to become a hopeless heroin addict.

              I believe that really creative parenting can create a sociopath.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              yeah, it is extremely fascinating. I think what just intrigues me so much is how someone can have a brain that is so different than mine.

              Now I am not saying that I have not been guilty of being sly or deceitful inr my Life. Or at one time or another had a deficiency in Empathy towards others ,because I have.

              But this notion of literally not EVER feeling Love and not even know what that feeling is like is perplexing.

              I think I am fascinated by it because in some weird way it is scary.

              What if my young kids start showing this ? Or what if one day I just woke up and I started feeling like this ?

              I know it does not work that way (as far as waking up.) But it still is alarming to some degree.
              Read The Sociopath Next Door.
              Amazon.com: The Sociopath Next Door eBook: Martha Stout Ph.D.: Kindle Store

              There are other books more academic in nature, but this is a fascinating read about the different types of sociopath. There is more than one.

              And again, as there are different types of sociopaths, there are different levels of the condition. Any percentage given, depends on how big a net you use to classify someone a sociopath.
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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Read The Sociopath Next Door.
                Amazon.com: The Sociopath Next Door eBook: Martha Stout Ph.D.: Kindle Store

                There are other books more academic in nature, but this is a fascinating read about the different types of sociopath. There is more than one.

                And again, as there are different types of sociopaths, there are different levels of the condition. Any percentage given, depends on how big a net you use to classify someone a sociopath.
                Thanks. Also you might check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4MEQRgJbfU on Dr.James Fallon. He is a neuro - scientist who studies violent psychopaths. Over the years he observed deficiencies in the structure of these peoples' brains.

                This is completely fascinating because this Dr. was looking at charts of hardened and violent psychopaths and by accident discovered one PET scan was actually his own.

                So he diagnosed his own self as a pro-social psychopath. He looked back on his Life and did in fact see signs that now made sense after seeing his own Scan of the brain.

                Colleagues and friends would always comment that he was a psychopath. But he shrugged it off as casual ribbing.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  Thanks. Also you might check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4MEQRgJbfU on Dr.James Fallon. He is a neuro - scientist who studies violent psychopaths. Over the years he observed deficiencies in the structure of these peoples' brains.

                  This is completely fascinating because this Dr. was looking at charts of hardened and violent psychopaths and by accident discovered one PET scan was actually his own.

                  So he diagnosed his own self as a pro-social psychopath. He looked back on his Life and did in fact see signs that now made sense after seeing his own Scan of the brain.

                  Colleagues and friends would always comment that he was a psychopath. But he shrugged it off as casual ribbing.
                  I've seen him in specials on The Brain. It was at that point, that I started doing research on sociopaths.

                  My experience is similar to his.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        By the way, a smart sociopath wouldn't act like an arsehole. They would likely be polite, friendly, helpful.....and may even save you from a burning building. But, if they don't like you, and see you having a heart attack, they may just watch, because they would find it fascinating.
        Not really a good example. A cunning sociopath would more than likely save your Life for the sole purpose of getting on your good side and then you would fall into their manipulative ways and then they could use you until their heart's content.

        The scary thing is there is no cure for Sociopathic behavior. It is not like taking Prozac for Depression or for OCD. It is more Nature than Nurture. Now do not get me wrong Nurture does have a lot to do with a Sociopath and the evil tendencies that are manifested in actions.

        But most if not all Sociopaths are born that way.

        So you ask wtf do we do with Sociopaths ,non-violent ways mind you ?

        Well, over the past couple of decades my friend through his own Practice and through many cases has really come up with one legit solution to implement that help Sociopaths or more poignantly help Society in protecting themselves from Sociopaths.

        You actually use their own evil tendencies to counteract the destruction they cause. So for instance ( this is a real life example in a case he has) the 17 year old boy who is constantly taking advantage of his parents and decitfully stealing their automobile every weekend without any remorse whatsoever......well first of all you say this kid has major issues and this kid feels he has a right to get whatever he wants to satisfy himself even at all cost.

        So like other Socios he believes the World is his oyster and he is going to get what he wants.

        Solution : Play up to the Socio and let him see that if he abides by certain Rules then he can have literally ten times more than when using his deceit as a tool to get what he wants.
        This scenario has consistently worked for him over the years more soin younger Sociopaths. But he has seen some success in older ones as well.

        Sure the ideology of the Socio is not changed. It never can. But at least it gives every other person hope that they will not be at his Mercy.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
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          By the way, a smart sociopath wouldn't act like an arsehole. They would likely be polite, friendly, helpful.....and may even save you from a burning building. But, if they don't like you, and see you having a heart attack, they may just watch, because they would find it fascinating.

          Not really a good example. A cunning sociopath would more than likely save your Life for the sole purpose of getting on your good side and then you would fall into their manipulative ways and they could use you until their heart's content.
          Yep, all you have to do to find some is write something on Free energy, usually weeds out at least one, that defends this to be total BS, like their life depends on it!

          Well probably a large part of their Portfolios! :rolleyes:

          I have visited a few on this subject and like clockwork, they appear!

          They tend to get into heated arguments, and refuse to accept ANY evidence to the contrary! Ahem! :rolleyes:


          I suppose that comes from believing that they are right about something to the point where if anyone questions that, they go into a rage!


          I suppose since they think that they are the centre of the universe, and know everything about everything, if you question that they go nuts.

          Or they are in complete control of their environments!

          Probably becuase deep down they know, that their lives aren't going the way they want, and are trying to prove to everyone, (including themselves) that they are!!!!


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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            By the way, a smart sociopath wouldn't act like an arsehole. They would likely be polite, friendly, helpful.....and may even save you from a burning building. But, if they don't like you, and see you having a heart attack, they may just watch, because they would find it fascinating.
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Yep, all you have to do to find some is write something on Free energy, usually weeds out at least one, that defends this to be total BS, like their life depends on it!

            Well probably a large part of their Portfolios! :rolleyes:
            Shane
            Shane; haven't you noticed how polite I am to you? How helpful? Aren't I friendly?

            You have to be careful what you say about sociopaths. As the president of Sociopaths Having A Nice Evening...or S.H.A.N.E., I can tell you that "Free Energy" isn't really one of our main concerns.
            Our main concern right now is the complete domination and colonization of...Australia.
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Our main concern right now is the complete domination and colonization of...Australia.
              Considering how much of your crap, er I mean "entertainment" fills our airwaves, I'd say you achieved that 40 years ago.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

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            They tend to get into heated arguments, and refuse to accept ANY evidence to the contrary! Ahem! :rolleyes:

            I suppose that comes from believing that they are right about something to the point where if anyone questions that, they go into a rage!

            I suppose since they think that they are the centre of the universe, and know everything about everything, if you question that they go nuts.

            Or they are in complete control of their environments!

            Probably becuase deep down they know, that their lives aren't going the way they want, and are trying to prove to everyone, (including themselves) that they are!!!!

            Shane
            What you're describing is a social condition that rises from a sociopath being in power on a particular subject -- and being able to brainwash others into following them --- i.e. the Cult.

            Cult leaders and followers is what I find completely bizarre, yet extremely interesting. The ability of a charismatic sociopath to brainwash followers into doing just anything the "cult" finds necessary, and doing it without question.

            Cult mentality is what frightens me so bad about politics today. I see far too many signs that people are reacting to a Cult leader instead of just "believing in a position" or "preferring this politician". Once the Cult leader speaks - anyone who speaks against their mandate, no matter how ridiculous the mandate, will foam at the mouth at anyone who speaks in question of it.

            I find it absolutely fascinating also that some sociopaths are able to engender the depths of loyalty from their followers. It's almost as if it's the followers who have the truly deficient personality structures rather than the sociopath who uses these people for any destruction they desire to cause.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        . But, if they don't like you, and see you having a heart attack, they may just watch, because they would find it fascinating.
        Thank you, Claude.

        That explains the people who follow ambulances to the scene of an accident or firetrucks to the scene of a fire. Also, those "rubberneckers" who can't get enough as they drive by an accident, slowing traffic to a crawl.

        You know who you are.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy View Post

          Thank you, Claude.

          That explains the people who follow ambulances to the scene of an accident or firetrucks to the scene of a fire. Also, those "rubberneckers" who can't get enough as they drive by an accident, slowing traffic to a crawl.

          You know who you are.
          Ron; We are almost all like that. Nearly everyone cranes their neck when they drive by an accident. But a sociopath might watch someone die, without trying to help...without their heart rate increasing...just to watch how it turns out.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Ron; We are almost all like that. Nearly everyone cranes their neck when they drive by an accident. But a sociopath might watch someone die, without trying to help...without their heart rate increasing...just to watch how it turns out.
            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            I would admit I have been guilty of this. I do not think there are many who have not.
            Unfortunately, you are right.

            History shows that people will turnout to see gore, whether it’s a mauling at the coliseum, a witch burning or a hanging.

            They can’t seem to get enough.

            Had a family member who followed fire engines to fires and was fascinated with accident scenes.

            He would also faint at the sight of blood.

            Made for some interesting experiences.
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          Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy View Post

          Thank you, Claude.

          That explains the people who follow ambulances to the scene of an accident or firetrucks to the scene of a fire. Also, those “rubberneckers” who can’t get enough as they drive by an accident, slowing traffic to a crawl.

          You know who you are.
          I would admit I have been guilty of this. I do not think there are many who have not.
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      Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

      OK....
      I never really 'got' the whole "Arse" thing.
      "Arse"? Really?
      They say it's an acquired preference...
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      Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

      OK....
      I never really 'got' the whole "Arse" thing.
      "Arse"? Really?
      Yeah, I'm more of a "Trits" man myself.
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      Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

      OK....
      I never really 'got' the whole "Arse" thing.
      "Arse"? Really?
      It's what the rest of the rest of the English speaking world calls an ass. That is the one you have behind you, not a relative of the donkey.
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    I think sociopaths are attracted to positions that lend them instant authority and which they can utilize to leverage an array of perks and advantages even after leaving said position (eg politicians).
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Oh politics draws all sorts of sociopaths. I'd be prone to think that's where most of em end up. That and corporate CEO's and boardrooms, etc. I've known a lot of them.

    I've got a few sociopathic tendencies, too, Claude. Lets start our own country.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Robert,

      According to many researchers, approximately 4% of the people in the US are sociopaths, to use the somewhat outdated term. That number varies from country to country.

      As Claude pointed out, not all "sociopaths" become criminals. They are, however, able to do pretty much anything to anyone without any feelings of guilt.

      Consider that number: 4%. 1 in 25.

      Everyone here has met more than one of them.

      Then there are people who fall into the high-functioning end of "autism spectrum disorder," ("Aspies") who have similar differences from neurotypicals, and can sometimes seem indistinguishable from sociopaths. They're less likely to be actively dangerous, though.

      One big difference is that "Aspies" tend to be unaware of the emotional states of others, while sociopaths are extremely observant and probably notice more about your emotional states than you do yourself.

      I'm a member of one group that includes primarily technical types. As in, really, really technically oriented people. They got talking about an online test that was supposed to show your place on the scale of empathy, one of the measures of Asperger's Syndrome. The guys who posted their scores were almost universally very high on the scale. The lowest posted was a 14, which was in the normal range of the population.

      There was no way I was posting mine. (8 or 9, I think.) They'd have looked at me like I was from another planet. Which I might as well be, for some of them.

      The funny thing is, one of my favorite online acquaintances is someone I met in that group who is so high on the Asperger's scale that he's pretty much the definition of the condition. He's also so sharp and has put so much effort into understanding people that he's among the brightest observers and analyzers of group dynamics I've ever encountered.

      There's something to be said for being able to observe a thing without becoming invested in it.


      Paul

      PS: My apologies if anyone is offended by the term "Aspie." It's how my friends with the characteristics associated with Asperger's Syndrome describe themselves.
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          T-bird,

          Excellent point. Not all people who fall outside the "neurotypical" range are Aspies, sociopaths, or any other commonly understood categorization.

          They nearly all provide rich new perspectives into the world, though. The trick is letting yourself be comfortable enough with the difference to see those perspectives.

          Suzanne,

          Yeah. They're fascinating. (Sociopaths, I mean.) Much like I suspect watching a cobra up close and personal would be.


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            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Suzanne,

            Yeah. They're fascinating. (Sociopaths, I mean.) Much like I suspect watching a cobra up close and personal would be.


            Paul
            Yeah, except that most people would be wary of a cobra. Sociopaths have an uncanny ability to mimic social behaviors like charm, friendliness and charisma. I really liked this guy and later wondered .... how did I not see this? A typical sociopath may not look or act like an Arsehole. He/she may look like someone that you like a lot.
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              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              Yeah, except that most people would be wary of a cobra. Sociopaths have an uncanny ability to mimic social behaviors like charm, friendliness and charisma. I really liked this guy and later wondered .... how did I not see this? A typical sociopath may not look or act like an Arsehole. He/she may look like someone that you like a lot.
              Let's face it though. If you have never seen a snake, or heard of them, you might think a cobra is harmless, and that the hood, or whatever it is called, is just interesting. In either case, you have to learn.

              Conmen are called con men because they work by making you confident that they will give you what they offer. It is sad, but you have to have a band of what you will accept. If they are too bad, or too good, you should be suspicious and careful.



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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Robert,

        According to many researchers, approximately 4% of the people in the US are sociopaths, to use the somewhat outdated term. That number varies from country to country.

        As Claude pointed out, not all "sociopaths" become criminals. They are, however, able to do pretty much anything to anyone without any feelings of guilt.

        Consider that number: 4%. 1 in 25.
        Paul, that is way, way low. Just talking to Medical professionals and scientists and that figure is more realistically around 7 to 8 %.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Was Ayn Rand a sociopath?

    I've heard many people and a few people in here describe her and/or her philosophy as such.


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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      TL,

      Whether she was personally, I couldn't say. I tend to doubt it, but that's as far as I'll go on that subject.

      Objectivist philosophy is hardly sociopathic in nature. That term is often used to describe it, though. The people I've known who used that word for it have typically been reckless with other highly-charged terms, too.

      Applying such terms to corporations is ill-advised. They can have cultures that exhibit similar response types and characteristics, but that's a different thing.


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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I met one that I know of. He was my sons' friend and needed a place to stay and I let him stay at our house. Big mistake.

    While the things he did and planned to do were very, very bad, I had a certain fascination with him once I realized he was a sociopath. An interesting study, you could call it. I learned a lot from him about sociopaths.

    He was removed from our house in the dead of night by armed policemen.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    The major emotion that these people lack in these hot spots of the brain are Empathy.

    As a result because of this structurally screwed up brain, the Sociopath cannot help from being extremely deceitful and manipulating people to get what they want at all cost. They have this grandiose image of themselves and that they deserve everything and will not stop at getting it until they ruin other people's Life.
    That is probably a good description of it.

    Between lawyers, and quack psychiatrists, they have tried to redefine Aspergers. I credit THAT with the confusion that caused them to remove it in the DSM. But Asperger never defined AS with those kinds of symptoms.

    There is a difference between sounding like a jerk, and being one. There is a difference between people thinking you think you are gods gift, and you actually feeling you are. There is a difference between not understanding a person and not considering that person.

    As for the 1-4%, I think a lot more than 4% fit your description.

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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    My uncle was a Sociopath. My grandfather was proud of him because he was the first family member with a title.
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  • Profile picture of the author devonm
    Means I should book an MRI of my brain to see why I could be an ass at times.
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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    Wow. I read this whole thread and never saw the word narcissism, once. A good deal of the behavior outlined in this thread is narcissism. Most people only know the definition of narcissism at a very superficial level. Dig down, my friends. There are few creatures in life more dangerous that you will ever encounter than a raging narcissist. Trust me on this.

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      Wow. I read this whole thread and never saw the word narcissism, once. A good deal of the behavior outlined in this thread is narcissism. Most people only know the definition of narcissism at a very superficial level. Dig down, my friends. There are few creatures in life more dangerous that you will ever encounter than a raging narcissist. Trust me on this.

      Cheers. - Frank
      Because narcissism isn't always in the definition. There's more than one type of sociopath.

      NARCISSISTIC SOCIOPATH

      Sometimes people suffering from Antisocial Personality Disorder also tend to suffer from another mental disorder known as Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Such people are often called narcissistic sociopaths or sociopaths with narcissistic traits and such a situation is a dangerous one, as these people do not want to be helped. Such people often tend to be highly manipulative and without any shred of remorse for their actions, even if their actions have harmed others who are close to them or their family members. There is nothing that can stop a narcissistic sociopath from achieving his goals. He makes use of all his charm which is highly superficial and intellect in order to attain his goals by any means possible. Such people often think that they are above all and they do not really care if anyone disagrees with them.

      Sociopath – Sociopathic Personality Disorder
      The whole article is quite interesting.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Because narcissism isn't always in the definition. There's more than one type of sociopath.
        Understood. There's more than one type of narcissist, too. I was just illuminating the point that it's hard to have a discussion about sociopaths without the word narcissist ever being mentioned. It's rare to find a sociopath that does not possess some narcissistic tendencies and most high-end narcissist are nothing more than sociopaths in training. I am not saying that all narcissist will eventually become sociopaths, but it's a small leap for many of them as most of both groups are totally devoid of any empathy, whatsoever.

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      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      Most people only know the definition of narcissism at a very superficial level. Dig down, my friends. There are few creatures in life more dangerous that you will ever encounter than a raging narcissist. Trust me on this.
      Sounds narcissistic to me and so I don't trust you....
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        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Sounds narcissistic to me and so I don't trust you....
        I readily admit to being a narcissist, Daniel, but my therapist and I have agreed on the point that I'm a very special kind of narcissist.

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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    "Sociopath" is starting to sound like an umbrella term so wide that it is vague. Is it even an actual scientifically-determined condition?

    I think most people exhibit tendencies attributed to "sociopaths" when it comes to those outside of the group they identify with. Take the indifference in the West towards civilian victims of bombing in Iraq from bombs dropped by "our side." Ever read "The Painted Bird" by Jerzy Kosiński?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    T-bird,
    "Sociopath" is starting to sound like an umbrella term so wide that it is vague.
    Yep.
    Is it even an actual scientifically-determined condition?
    Lots of argument about that. I haven't checked into the "official" list of diagnoses to see if it's still there. It's more often called APD by the professionals these days. Sociopath has become more of a common word to mean "someone who could rip your eyeballs out and not feel bad about it."


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    It's all right. No harm done.

    I should stay away from people more often, I think. Some are not fit and never will be.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Ron; We are almost all like that. Nearly everyone cranes their neck when they drive by an accident. But a sociopath might watch someone die, without trying to help...without their heart rate increasing...just to watch how it turns out.
        Right, so the two main characters in Rope, are a classic example?

        They kill for the thrill of it, and revell in inviting their deceased parents over to dinner, with the cadaver under their noses!


        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Shane; haven't you noticed how polite I am to you? How helpful? Aren't I friendly?

        You have to be careful what you say about sociopaths. As the president of Sociopaths Having A Nice Evening...or S.H.A.N.E., I can tell you that "Free Energy" isn't really one of our main concerns.
        Our main concern right now is the complete domination and colonization of...Australia.
        Don't be like that l wasn't referring to you, but to another that tried to say we were all nuts for believing in this!


        It seems that the sociopaths have sentry's in every major forum, so if someone brings up a free energy post, they try to diffuse it!


        Very clever, but l have a gift for being able to see past BS, so l figured it out!


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          A very thought provoking and, at time humorous TED video.


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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
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          You have to be careful what you say about sociopaths. As the president of Sociopaths Having A Nice Evening...or S.H.A.N.E., I can tell you that "Free Energy" isn't really one of our main concerns.
          Our main concern right now is the complete domination and colonization of...Australia.

          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Very clever, but l have a gift for being able to see past BS, so l figured it out!


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          You figured out that "S.H.A.N.E." was just a joke, and that it really spelled out Shane? Please tell me the secret of how you unraveled that mystery.
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    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    It is kind of funny in a dark way but he says that in his medical opinion these individuals should be simply shot and done away with. They are bad seeds and evil. (Yeah believe it or not a psychariatrist saying this LOL)
    Doesn't that thought process fit the sociopath profile?
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Doesn't that thought process fit the sociopath profile?
      Not necessarily. It's logical deduction. Sociopaths are dangerous to individuals and the whole of society, and cannot be cured, so for the well-being of society they must be expelled.

      It might help to remember that when these people rise to power, people are murdered en mass - and sometimes by sociopaths who are not in power as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    One area surprisingly not mentioned on this thread as one that is infested with sociopaths, including many narcissistic sociopaths, is the entertainment industry. It is where many sociopaths not only get away with horrendous crimes such as violent sexual assaults against children and under-age teens and murder but are even rewarded and given icon status:
    Man accusing gay X-Men director Bryan Singer of rape sues TV executives for sexually assaulting him when he was an under-age teenager
    Did Robert Downey Jr. Really Just Accuse Kirk Douglas of a Brutal Rape?
    EXCLUSIVE: Allegations Against “X Men” Director Bryan Singer Connect Back to Long Ago DiCaprio Pal Dana Giacchetto
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    It is kind of funny in a dark way but he says that in his medical opinion these individuals should be simply shot and done away with. They are bad seeds and evil. (Yeah believe it or not a psychariatrist saying this LOL)
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    So your friend thinks that people with a brain malady should be shot?

    Doesn't that sound a little...I don't know....psychopathic to you?
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      So your friend thinks that people with a brain malady should be shot?

      Doesn't that sound a little...I don't know....psychopathic to you?

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    I think a minor form is employees who
    do not follow instructions and don't care
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      You have to be careful what you say about sociopaths. As the president of Sociopaths Having A Nice Evening...or S.H.A.N.E., I can tell you that "Free Energy" isn't really one of our main concerns.
      Our main concern right now is the complete domination and colonization of...Australia.

      You figured out that "S.H.A.N.E." was just a joke, and that it really spelled out Shane? Please tell me the secret of how you unraveled that mystery.
      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      BHWAAAAAA-haaa-haaa-haa
      No, not that, just figuring out that when l went to several forums online that anytime free energy was mentioned, at least one person went ape**** about it.

      The vocal ones, may have been control freaks having a bad day, but the other calm and collected ones, who tastefully trashed the subject are more of a sociopaths nature.


      As l said clever, but easy to spot!


      Fluoride in water, crap on tv, and and mobile phones won't zombiefie me! He, he!

      Don't look up zombiefie, l doubt that it is real? :rolleyes:


      Gee l get the Roulette spinning ball system right, and you are like a buzzard circling its, prey! :p

      Glad l have a few fluffy bunnies left! Phew!


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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Could you be a Sociopath ?
        No, just on the social path, due to my being 100% extroverted according to the Jung Personality Type Test.


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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Maybe i am feeling a little Socio today so I will throw this out there......

        Have you ever been done soooo bad to by a person or had friends or Loved ones been done sooo bad to that you had fleeting images of doing away with this perpetrator in a violent manner ?

        I mean you would absolutely be not human or 'inhumane' if you haven't, right ?



        Me,personally ?? I know at least two times when I was younger and a girlfriend cheated on me the two guys that were on the other end doing the cheating with her.........well I fantasized about getting them in a room and slowly breaking every bone in their body. Never disposing of them but just making them suffer. Of course, It did not happen.

        But I admit I engaged in a fist fight with one of them. That was the last one I got into which was over 20 yrs. ago

        So be honest and lets hear your own circumstance of what you felt like at the moment you wanted to do away with someone who was a horrible person and the way you fantasized of how you would carry out your ghastly plot.........
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          Maybe i am feeling a little Socio today so I will throw this out there......

          Have you ever been done soooo bad to by a person or had friends or Loved ones been done sooo bad to that you had fleeting images of doing away with this perpetrator in a violent manner ?

          I mean you would absolutely be not human or 'inhumane' if you haven't, right ?



          Me,personally ?? I know at least two times when I was younger and a girlfriend cheated on me the two guys that were on the other end doing the cheating with her.........well I fantasized about getting them in a room and slowly breaking every bone in their body. Never disposing of them but just making them suffer. Of course, It did not happen.

          But I admit I engaged in a fist fight with one of them. That was the last one I got into which was over 20 yrs. ago

          So be honest and lets hear your own circumstance of what you felt like at the moment you wanted to do away with someone who was a horrible person and the way you fantasized of how you would carry out your ghastly plot.........
          My first wife cheated on me. When I met the man, he said "Hey, I know what you're thinking..." I stopped him and said "If you knew what I was thinking, you'd be screaming".

          I've had violent thoughts in the past. But only a few times. I would never act on them..not because of any moral reason, but because of the trouble involved, the chance of getting caught, and the fact that it wouldn't actually help me in any way.

          The difference between you and me, is that you fantasized about it. I didn't. I thought about it, and then dismissed the idea as impractical. Your "fantasizing" was an outlet for your feelings.

          This video you posted? Shave the beard, and except for the religious part? there I am.
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    I've never "fantasized" about killing anyone, although there are a few people breathing right now solely because it's illegal to kill them and they aren't worth it to me to spend my life behind bars over.

    I've heard people say "do the same thing to them" when someone does something really horrifying, but I can't see that as being in any way useful. Someone sick enough to do some things isn't going to change because others want to create an empathy lesson for them. When I've thought of killing, it was just a simple thought that someone needs a potshot between the eyes to get them out of society where they can do more damage.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I've never "fantasized" about killing anyone, although there are a few people breathing right now solely because it's illegal to kill them and they aren't worth it to me to spend my life behind bars over.
      Oftentimes we are called upon to make extreme personal sacrifices for the greater good of society.

      I'm simply waiting for my cardiologist to give me a 90 day heads up.

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        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        Oftentimes we are called upon to make extreme personal sacrifices for the greater good of society.

        I'm simply waiting for my cardiologist to give me a 90 day heads up.

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        LOL - My thanks button is gone or I'd try to double down on that one.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Wow! No, but I have said, "They should be shot!" Even then I didn't get a mind picture of someone popping them off, capping their a$$ or them standing in front of a firing squad or anything.

        My thought process was more like - they'd be gone...problem solved, lol!


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        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        Oftentimes we are called upon to make extreme personal sacrifices for the greater good of society.

        I'm simply waiting for my cardiologist to give me a 90 day heads up.

        Cheers. - Frank
        There you go making me laugh again!


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          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          There you go making me laugh again! Terra
          I live to spread laughter and joy throughout the world, when I'm not busy plotting the demise of those I loathe.

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