eCigs are to be regulated by FDA

crazy bloody governments........people find a relatively harmless way to give up smoking and the government want to start regulating it......the job of government is not to govern. It is to serve.

This sort of thing is building in Europe as well. It wont be long until greedy governments start taxing it.....all for our benefit of course.

I was a heavy, heavy smoker and once I tried an ecig, I never went back to tobacco. I wish governments could just stop sticking their snouts in all aspects of our business.

I'm not a smoker, but think ecigs are a much better option than smoking real cigs. However, ecigs are not totally safe I'm led to believe? Something regarding liquid nicotine being poisonous. Apparently, nicotine extracted from tobacco leaves is ok, but in liquid form its poisonous.

They became popular here when smoking inside any building was stopped and cigarettes increased in price to $10 for a pack of 20. I remember they could once be used on planes and in buildings. Not now though, they are banned everywhere too.

Regulation is a good idea. There are so many fakes and exploding e-cigs that I have never tried them. Of course, the price will likely increase because of 'regulations' and then they will be taxed.

I don't smoke, but from what I understand these ecigs loaded up with nicotine will still wreck your lungs.

My question is would you not do the same if you were the government?

It's a blessing and a curse. The eCig market has been growing rapidly over the last 5 years, but like mentioned above there are a lot of junk products on the market, and the juice that you put into the eCigs is what really needs to be regulated.

Right now there are no methods being implemented to determine the final result's nicotine levels, and poor quality controls on the batteries being produced / "hot rigging" devices is what caused the few explosions that have happened.

As far as wrecking your lungs, you've gotta educate yourself, no offense intended. It seems you're going off of what someone told you and not really based around facts. Fog machines and asthma inhalers have been around for years, and don't wreck your lungs. eCigs use the same chemicals.

Having eCigs regulated isn't necessarily a bad thing. The prices are going to go up, so bigger tobacco companies can get involved and pay more tax dollars, but it's also going to keep people safer by making companies adhere to guidelines regarding their juice and battery production.

Remember, though. Electronic cigarettes can be completely manufactured at home, and the juice can be produced on your own, so it can never be completely regulated.

If you're worried about it, pick up a bunch of mechanical devices, and a few liters of nicotine to throw in the freezer, and continue using to your heart's content.

I wouldn't mind, I prefer crack anyway.

As it's so cheap to produce ecig liquids maybe it's worth jumping on the bandwagon. Create a company called something like "Funky Vaping" and give all the different flavours names such as:

Al Cappuccino
Mint Eastwood
Elton Pomme
Chock Norris
Toffee Annan
Almond Schwarzenegger
Melon Mandella
Pear Grills
Grape Kelly
etc, etc, etc

Could be a winner.....then again.......

I too used e-cigs to quit a heavy chain smoking habit - however I needed the patch max dose to get started - took a year of going from heavy to light smoker doing the patch step 1,2,3 over and over - but I just had to have at least 1 cigarette which always turned into 3 cigarettes.

Then I tried e-cig which had not worked for me except to take 'the edge' off from the fiendish tendencies - but with the patch it did the trick! Because I covered heavy nicotine with heavy HABIT/RITUAL.

I have not had a cigarette in 5 months - AND the best part now is that I have used an e-cig to do their 3 step from high to low to zero - and I have not had ANY NICOTINE for 3 weeks so far - yay!

HOWEVER - e-cigs with nicotine are still nicotine - a horrible, addictive DRUG and an ACID (nicotinic acid). As such they should not be pimped to kids or allowed for kids - it should be the same as cigarettes where they have to be 18 or 21 (I forget which)

Of course you are going to have your abusers who will ruin everything for everyone. I remember when they took flavored cigarettes off the market because it was 'pandering' to kids - ( I thought this was draconian and couldn't believe it).

So now of course the e-cigs are flavored - and as I said an ADDICTIVE substance - nicotine. There are also models that have allowed accidental burning and poisoning - (stick to the ones that look like cigs with the changing filters).

So unfortunately 'when you work with turkeys it is impossible to fly like eagles' - we have idiots among us and as such we need regulations to control their behavior.

I'm asthmatic and that nicotine keeps my lungs from spasming. A lot of asthmatics smoke. Ecigs aren't all that great for asthmatics either. We don't want vapor in our lungs. We want dry air. That's why asthmatics move to the west - dry air. I'd rather smoke than put water in my lungs. Water in the lungs is a great way to grow bacteria and virus, too. A lot of people that die form flu actually die from pneumonia complications. What puts water in your lungs when you have the flu? Aspirin. They think now that's what killed so many during the "Spanish Lady" back in 1918 or around there.

I use a Tarblock filter on my cigs when I smoke to take that crap out of them. I might quit someday, but I won't be smoking water when I do.

As far as gov - they're not going to lighten up until they give themselves the right to walk right into your home unnanounced and rifle through your cupboards and take what they don't want you to have and charge you for their time.

Water in the lungs be damned. Vaporizers should not be used by those with asthma. That's a given, but the first thing a pediatrician prescribes for children with a bad cold, flu or bronchitis who do not have asthma is a vaporizer in their room. I watched my mother die of lung cancer and it was tobacco and all the chemicals added to it by the tobacco companies that killed her, and it's not pretty.

Congrats to all in this thread who have found a way forward to quit that filthy habit with electronic cigarettes. For the first time in a long time, I can breathe easier and smell things (whether that's a good thing or a stinky thing ... lol).

I have a lot of the flavors like chocolate, vanilla, capuccino, cherry, coke, etc. but I still seem to prefer the tobacco flavored one. I'll go with whatever because this is so much better than smoking tobacco.

lol... I love those names. There's one of the entrepreneur companies called madvapes that mixes up crazy flavors. I like funkyvapes or funkyvaping and think the names are a great idea.

But, but, its for the children! :rolleyes:

The legality of cigarettes never stopped me from getting my hands on one when I was a teenager. If they want to smoke, they will, and I would rather see them smoking ecigs than anything else out there. Government needs to leave this one alone.

Ive been smoke free for about 6 months now and saved a lot of money from "vaping" and Ecigs. Right now most of the gear is pretty cheap but I imagine if its regulated well see the prices go up.

To be honest I never thought it would be so easy to stop smoking until I bought one of these E-cigs... so im grateful for them. The only downside is I did pick up some about 5 lbs, even though im still getting nicotine... maybe because food tastes better now?

Cigs definitely alter metabolism. I have to keep my smoking in check or I lose weight. I have a hard enough time keeping weight on.

Suzanne - I use vapor now and again, but I put plenty of salt in the water. Salt water will kill microbes and draw out infection. I've used vaporizers to spread menthol or ecualyptus around the house to make it smell fresher and kill microbes, too. I can't imagine a doctor suggesting just plain water vapor for flu though. That actually alarms me.

One of the things that I've always noticed is that sea air with all that salt in it seems to make people feel better. I even enjoy the moisture in sea air and I attribute that to the salt and minerals in it.

They are already banned (no sales allowed) in one state here because they resemble cigarettes!

"the WA (Western Australian) Health Department lodged an appeal which proved successful last week with the judge determining that any e-cigarette product that involves ''a hand to mouth action'' and results in the ''expulsion of vapour'' does in fact resemble a tobacco product."


and here https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/la...a-stubbed-out/

Best eLiquid I've ever had came from a little California called Five Pawns.

OOOOO, thanks Suzanne! I had no idea they made ecigars! Now I can still be all cool, scare my neighbors (they all think I'm the female version of Clint!), and get healthier! EEK!
I gave up cigarettes a long time ago. I really don't smoke my little cigars very much, but I can't seem to convince myself to be without them. I'm super stupid about having one of them instead of eating when I'm hungry. Eating makes me tired, lazy and I just have too much to do in a day. I know better, that's why I included the word "stupid!"

I know the type of device you were speaking of. Some friends of ours have something that looks like it came from a paraphernalia shop. They even have ropes that attach around their necks! I had no idea what they were until they told me! The pipes are actually quite pretty but I can see how they could be mistaken for something else!

The alcohol tax was the voter's fault. They didn't read the rest of the thing, and all they saw was "oh!, we get to buy booze anywhere now!" I love a good Bailey's and coffee on cold days, now.. ha!.. I'd have to take out a second mortgage to buy a bottle!

This goes for smokes and alcohol, but if you get caught going from Spokane into Idaho to buy either, you will get a huge fine. Many vendors here bought their smokes in Idaho and sold them here. It's almost twice the price for a pack of smokes here as it is in Idaho.

Thanks again for the information!!

~ Theresa

I know lots of people who have quit smoking thanks to ecigs, but I'm all for regulation and even taxing them similarly to alcohol or cigarettes.

Regulation because there are some REALLY SHADY people in the business putting who knows what in the fluids, and making ecigs that really will put bad stuff in your lungs. Unless you do your research before you get an ecig you could get one of those nasty things. Regulations will make those guys go away or clean up their act.

Taxing them? It just goes hand in hand with any luxury item. It should be taxed and the money hopefully go to our schools, or infrastructure.

My first concern when I tried ecigs was whether I would get that tangible hit in the lungs (like when you enjoy a really good ciggy after a meal or something) and I also wanted it to look similar to a cigarette.

So I went with one called eroll made by joyetech. You get two ecigs and a charging case. The case looks a bit like an iphone in some ways, giving it a slick look. The good thing with this is that when you're using one, you can charge the spare, and the case holds a charge for about a day

After one puff I was staggered how good it felt and after a couple of puffs, I loved it. In fact as far as I was concerned it was better than tobacco. If anyone is thinking of having a go at giving up smoking, I would heartily suggest giving ecigs a go. You'll definately be better off financially, and you'll certainly feel healthier.

As for taxation, I feel the authorities should let this one run free for a while. There would be advantages to them such as, healthier people, who are less of a strain on healthcare, who will probably take less sickies from work, making them possibly more productive etc etc

I guess they really aren't any safer.

In a couple of weeks it will be my 10th anniversary since I quit smoking. I was smoking 3 1/2 packs a day before I quit.

I was amazed at how quickly my sense of smell improved. It seemed like it was a day or two after I quit...that's when I realized being able to smell better wasn't always a good thing.

hrmm..when are they coming out with:

e-Crack: The All Natural High, without the side-effects....

Funny how the government have time to do all this useless shit as *regulations*, really, there are so many more things out there that need their attention and yet here they are trying to make things difficult

Just saw this new study ... about time someone did a real study on ecigs

BBC News - E-cigarettes 'help smokers to quit'

New study shows e-cigarettes significantly helped smokers quit - The Washington Post

I have been off the cancer sticks for about 7 months now thanks to my e cig

Would have never been able to quit without it, you would think that people would have at least a little more empathy.

You know big tobacco is behind this crap! E Cigs are becoming a muti-billion dollar a year industry! helping millions quit smoking! I quit smoking cigarettes after a 30 year Marlboro Reds habit. Almost a year cigarette free and I feel great!!!!!

I am not sure but it sounds like you guys have the ones that are not like the one(s) I have used for quite some time (and now have regular, zero nicotine) (90 days nicotine free!)

Mine is just like a cigarette (not like a mini-bong) No glass, no batteries - it has a USB adapter and every night I plug the cigarette part into the USBcharger. (takes 2=hours)

The filters are what you change and need to buy and a 5-pack is like 5 packs of cigs, but it only costs $14. So all you have is the cigarette sized 'cigarette'. It is brand 'GreenSmartLiving'. What got me is the nicotine tips have vanilla flavor and it is wonderful. So disappointed zero nicotine has no flavor. ;o(

I have read all the other ones are more dangerous for malfunction, poisoning, burning, exploding, etc.


From an EX-smoker!

(1 year to cut down from chain smoke to light smoking @ patches+e-cigs)

7 months no cigarettes!
3 months no nicotine!

Yeah I guess what got me going is (a) pictures of people with these humongus bong-like pipes - (and remember Suzanne (sbucciarel) likening it to 'drug paraphenalia' )- LOL perish the thought.

AND (big time) (b) reports of kids that have been burned and excessive amount of people going to the emergency hospital from accidents with the liquids you mix and pour and all that and they specifically mention the ones like I have (just the cig itself with the tips) as being safer by far.

By the way Thom congratulations(!) - I see Cuomo signed the medical cannibas deal yesterday! NY is on their way to better health for all its citizens! (LOL) ;o)

... seriously MJ did help me to quit smoking cigs also - because I don't smoke and drive - so I was too tanked to go to the store for cigs at least at night. heheheheh

Here is one of the articles I had seen Thom

E-cigs' liquid nicotine causing poisonings - CNN.com

Bottom line one thing I have learned painfully is nicotine is an ACID - (nicotinic acid) is the full name. So stands to reason it would burn skin, mucous membranes, and stomach lining, etc. Everywhere it or it's vapors can touch it is burning in more ways than one!

p.s. sux about cuomo/bill - that is why you were not here whooping it up when he signed it.

bum trip.

OK - don't get me wrong, e-cig is 10000000000000% times better than tobacco/nicotine cigarettes
and they had everything to do with me taking the final step to quit.

but just so you know I have used an e-cig a few times in the past and this time for an extended period and ongoing.
-- and It does create something wet if you don't want to call it water or fog or fluid I would - AND definitely know that there is something wet in my lungs that was never there in my triple-decades of chain cigarette addiction and abuse. I also have a tickling type cough.

So I guess everybody is different -

Another thing is when you stop nicotine completely you will be able to differentiate the various different YUCKY smells in a cigarette - and you will realize that nicotine DOES have an odor of it's own.

As I said I have been cleaning up for a year + 7 months total quit - When I made the decision to stop the nicotine e-cig (and go to nicotine free e-cig) it was because I realized that I still had that horrible smell and taste of nicotine - it is real subtle in the e-cig - nothing like cigarettes - but seriously it is there.

Yah Thom that is one of the best realizations of how happy it is not to smoke cigarettes - NO BURNS, BURNING, STENCH, ASHES, burning EYES, an 11th finger that is always there no matter what else you are doing. Throwing off the shackles and being free from a demon is RADICAL!

I have a lot of velour clothes and I have this one dress that must have 50 cigarette burns -(even an ash will burn velour) - I must save it for some punk museum piece for posterity - someday i will epoxy it. it is just so horribly scarred from cigarettes; of course it is black so I still wear it to remind me of how cigarettes are just so UGLY (i still like the dress lol but don't go out in public in it.).

Thom M: "What really set me off recently is burning my ass with the head of a cig."

lol "shiny BURNT metal ass"

Thanks partly to this thread I ordered and received my first e-cig starter kit!
(I had to order it from the US as they aren't allowed to be sold with nicotine here in Oz.)

So I've been 'vaping' for 4 days now and I haven't touched a single cigarette.
These things are fantastic! They really do feel like regular cigarettes.

Thanks everyone.
Andrew

The article says, in part, ""There are far more questions than answers," he said, adding that the new regulation would provide a "framework" for additional rules in the future" THAT is a major flaw with this garbage! They figure they can expand the law, and nobody will even notice!

IAM shocked that they even went to courts here though. Considering that a major use of this is to deliver a substance they are to control in some way. It IS obviously against the law to control the main device though. It has PRECEDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THINK about it! Make this device bigger, ones that fills a WHOLE ROOM, and WHAT do you have? A VAPORIZOR !!!!!!! BOTH were created to potentially deliver a drug using water vapor!

Steve