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League Of The South Decries 'SECEDE' Billboard Removal: Is This 'Stalin's Russia?'

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League Of The South Decries 'SECEDE' Billboard Removal: Is This 'Stalin's Russia?'
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    "We had a really, really good open public debate about this issue in Tallahassee," he said. "Nobody got their pants in a wad about it."
    That's the big problem with freedom of speech - when people start deciding who can be "free" and who can't.

    What a ridiculous controversy...on both sides.
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    WOW TL! You should complain to "raw story". I checked out their MORONIC summary of the "white privilege" piece. Should a minority read that, I could understand their blood boiling. Since I saw the actual video before, I wanted to see how they had changed it! They DIDN'T!!!!!!!!

    OK, here is a QUOTE from what is WRITTEN in the ACTUAL video, which is what is said in that video....

    "The plain fact is that what they understand to be'privilege' is
    really just what regular people understand is a 'consequence'. It is a
    consequence of hard work of delaying gratification and of sacrifice.
    It is not a function of skin tone or the number of vowels in your name;
    it is a function of character."
    That is the tone of the whole video.

    Seriously, you have to start quoting better sources.

    But yeah, if 2016 doesn't come fast enough, and things pick up anymore, there may be the start of another civil war. I guess, considering that so much of the youth of today doesn't have any idea of current events, or even of tape recorders, they may simply follow, but if they find out the truth..... I spoke earlier of gaslighting. Ever see that 1944 flick? one guy ends up getting involved, and everything falls apart. The guy that wanted to be rich found the jewels, and he ended up in jail while the woman that he tried to mislead ended up getting his spoils!

    There is a movement to DRAFT Ben Carson for president. He seems like a nice person and all. I LIKE him! His story IS the American dream. But I don't know if YKW and what many that voted for him have said have hurt BCs chances. I bet HE could have been a good president. SMART, DECENT, a RESPECTED DOCTOR, etc.... And it is ironic, given what many claimed and hoped would happen, if YKW got elected. It is ANYTHING BUT!

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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      There is a movement to DRAFT Ben Carson for president.
      I like him. He's honest, has common sense, and logic.
      I don't agree with him on everything naturally.
      For example he's against gay marriage and I don't care who anyone marries as long as they're happy together. But other then that I think he could make a good president who would work with congress.
      As he said, the only reason the bald eagle can soar is because it has a left wing and a right wing.
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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      There is a movement to DRAFT Ben Carson for president.
      Yeah, he's been pretty visible the past couple of years...and I can tell you my inbox has been getting hit with draft BC for president emails for several months now. His message and background hit the mark for many folks --> but only time will tell what his fate will be.

      Cheers,

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    I like him, too. I don't think there's anyone I agree with 100% - but at least this guy is honest and has integrity. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat - especially against some of those damned elitist yahoos they keep installing on top of us.
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    Well, when Obama was elected the second time, there were a lot of petitions to allow some states like Texas, Ms, Al, etc to secede. They got a fair amount of signers, but not as many signers as the petitions from others to allow them to secede. There were so many for those petitions, that they required a response from the President. I guess he said no. lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, when Obama was elected the second time, there were a lot of petitions to allow some states like Texas, Ms, Al, etc to secede. They got a fair amount of signers, but not as many signers as the petitions from others to allow them to secede. There were so many for those petitions, that they required a response from the President. I guess he said no. lol.
      Those of us who live in upstate New York have been trying to get New York City to secede (or at least give it to New Jersey) for years.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Those of us who live in upstate New York have been trying to get New York City to secede (or at least give it to New Jersey) for years.

        lol ...

        By the way, I was curious about your location, and I googled 42.751109°N 73.408756°W. Petersburg, NY but it even gave an address. Did you mean to be that concise?
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          lol ...

          By the way, I was curious about your location, and I googled 42.751109°N 73.408756°W. Petersburg, NY but it even gave an address. Did you mean to be that concise?
          W.Petersburg is about 30 miles east of me
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Those of us who live in upstate New York have been trying to get New York City to secede (or at least give it to New Jersey) for years.
        One can only dream... :p
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, when Obama was elected the second time, there were a lot of petitions to allow some states like Texas, Ms, Al, etc to secede. They got a fair amount of signers, but not as many signers as the petitions from others to allow them to secede. There were so many for those petitions, that they required a response from the President. I guess he said no. lol.
      There comes a time when it is NOT so simple. Don't say it can't happen. Successions from states have happened a few times, and successions from the country have also. Of course THEN it was merely to enslave others. The next time it will likely be for freedom.

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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Don't say it can't happen. Successions from states have happened a few times, and successions from the country have also. The next time it will likely be for freedom.

        Steve
        Won't get any argument from me. I signed the petitions to let them secede if that's what they wanted.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          The problem with states seceding is you know damn well they'd be looking for foreign aid in a heartbeat
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            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            The problem with states seceding is you know damn well they'd be looking for foreign aid in a heartbeat
            I'd like to see Texas secede so we could invade them for their oil.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              I like Ben Carson. He's accomplished and intelligent and practical and knows it takes both sides to get where we want to go. He's a good man.

              Just in the past week Carson has indicated he is considering a run for President. I would back him 100%.
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                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                I like Ben Carson. He's accomplished and intelligent and practical and knows it takes both sides to get where we want to go. He's a good man.

                Just in the past week Carson has indicated he is considering a run for President. I would back him 100%.
                He's been hinting at it for the past year or more. I've seen several of his interviews over the past year where he has indicated he may be open to the possibility. He was on the tube quite a bit even before he signed his deal with FNC back in October.

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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Won't get any argument from me. I signed the petitions to let them secede if that's what they wanted.
          They all like that Federal money, though. I don't see any of those goobers giving that back. If I'm not mistaken all of the states that would like to secede are "takers." If you look at their statistics they are all at the bottom of the heap in things that you want to be high on the list in. The only thing they rank number one in is obesity. lol

          Buh-bye. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

          Cheers. - Frank
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            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            They all like that Federal money, though. I don't see any of those goobers giving that back. If I'm not mistaken all of the states that would like to secede are "takers."
            States Most & Least Dependent on the Federal Government | WalletHub®
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

              What a load of GARBAGE! It talks about DC having such a high GDP, but almost all of that is POLITICS and TAXES! In real terms, that is like ZERO!!!!!!! HECK, they list it as a state. IT IS NOT A STATE!!!!!! It says California doesn't need help from the federal government, though they are in SEVERE trouble! It says Texas needs a lot of help, though they are doing fine.

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                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                What a load of GARBAGE! It talks about DC having such a high GDP, but almost all of that is POLITICS and TAXES! In real terms, that is like ZERO!!!!!!! HECK, they list it as a state. IT IS NOT A STATE!!!!!! It says California doesn't need help from the federal government, though they are in SEVERE trouble! It says Texas needs a lot of help, though they are doing fine.

                Steve
                LoL ---> What data are you going to believe? Take a look at the debt figures in this post.

                http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ml#post9209513

                -don
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                  LoL ---> What data are you going to believe? Take a look at the budget/debt figures in this post.

                  http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ml#post9209513

                  -don
                  HECK, I still remember all the whiplash from enron in California. You have to wonder why they did what they did. And they were talking about the raising of taxes, etc... People have been LEAVING. So if the bad stuff I have heard is not true, the country is all the worse. Meanwhile, some places are cutting back on taxes, etc.... and are doing fine.

                  Am I to believe consistent stuff I have heard for years from several places, or one thing from a company in DC that thinks DC is a state and claims DC is the leader and started in 2012?

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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            They all like that Federal money, though. I don't see any of those goobers giving that back. If I'm not mistaken all of the states that would like to secede are "takers." If you look at their statistics they are all at the bottom of the heap in things that you want to be high on the list in. The only thing they rank number one in is obesity. lol

            Buh-bye. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

            Cheers. - Frank
            You're mistaken.

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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              You're mistaken.

              Steve
              OK. What was it then? Illiteracy? Incarcerations? Teenage pregnancies? Tooth decay? Fleas?

              I give up.

              Cheers. - Frank
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                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                Teenage pregnancies?
                0. District of Columbia - 112/1,000
                1. New Mexico - 93/1,000
                2. Mississippi - 90/1,000
                3. Texas - 85/1,000
                4. Nevada - 84/1,000
                5. Arkansas - 82/1,000
                6. Arizona - 82/1,000
                7. Delaware - 81/1,000
                8. Louisiana - 80/1,000
                9. Oklahoma - 80/1,000
                10. Georgia - 78/1,000
                11. South Carolina - 76/1,000
                12. Hawaii - 76/1,000
                13. Tennessee - 76/1,000
                14. Alabama - 73/1,000
                15. Florida - 73/1,000
                16. North Carolina - 72/1,000
                17. California - 72/1,000
                18. New York - 71/1,000
                19. Kentucky - 71/1,000
                20. Alaska - 69/1,000
                21. Illinois - 68/1,000
                22. Wyoming - 68/1,000
                23. Colorado - 66/1,000
                24. West Virginia - 65/1,000
                25. Missouri - 65/1,000
                26. Maryland - 63/1,000
                27. Kansas - 63/1,000
                28. Ohio - 62/1,000
                29. New Jersey - 62/1,000
                30. Washington - 60/1,000
                31. Oregon - 60/1,000
                32. Montana - 59/1,000
                33. Indiana - 58/1,000
                34. Michigan - 58/1,000
                35. Idaho - 57/1,000
                36. Pennsylvania - 56/1,000
                37. Virginia - 56/1,000
                38. Connecticut - 55/1,000
                39. Rhode Island - 53/1,000
                40. South Dakota - 53/1,000
                41. Iowa - 51/1,000
                42. Nebraska - 50/1,000
                43. Utah - 48/1,000
                44. Wisconsin - 45/1,000
                45. Maine - 43/1,000
                46. Massachusetts - 42/1,000
                47. North Dakota - 42/1,000
                48. Minnesota - 42/1,000
                49. Vermont - 38/1,000
                50. New Hampshire - 33/1,000

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            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            They all like that Federal money, though. I don't see any of those goobers giving that back. If I'm not mistaken all of the states that would like to secede are "takers." If you look at their statistics they are all at the bottom of the heap in things that you want to be high on the list in. The only thing they rank number one in is obesity. lol

            Buh-bye. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

            Cheers. - Frank
            Most Obese states 2012

            1. Mississippi 34.9%
            2. Louisiana 33.4%
            3. West Virginia 32.4%
            4. Alabama 32.0%
            5. Michigan 31.3%
            6. Oklahoma 31.1%
            7. Arkansas 30.9%
            8. Indiana 30.8%
            8. South Carolina 30.8%
            10. Kentucky 30.4%
            10. Texas 30.4%

            Least Obese states 2012

            1. Colorado 20.7%
            2. Hawaii 21.8%
            3. Massachussetts 22.7%
            4. New Jersey 23.7%
            4. Washington, D.C. 23.7%
            6. California 23.8%
            7. Utah 24.4%
            8. New York 24.5%
            8. Nevada 24.5%
            8. Connecticut 24.5%

            Top High School Education Performance

            1 ME 90 4 4.4% 16 17.8% 20 22.2%
            2 CA 1,872 105 5.6% 310 16.6% 415 22.2%
            3 CT 188 17 9.0% 20 10.6% 37 19.7%
            4 MA 341 22 6.5% 41 12.0% 63 18.5%
            5 MD 228 13 5.7% 29 12.7% 42 18.4%
            6 NH 83 0 0.0% 13 15.7% 13 15.7%
            7 VA 319 20 6.3% 28 8.8% 48 15.0%
            8 OH 824 22 2.7% 93 11.3% 115 14.0%
            9 TX 1,382 54 3.9% 135 9.8% 189 13.7%

            How States Compare in the 2014 Best High Schools Rankings - US News

            Debts Facts

            Top 5 Outstanding Debt (thousands)
            California $199,680,625
            New York $58,060,000
            New Jersey $41,433,010
            Texas $41,344,000
            Illinois $33,186,555

            Top 5 Outstanding Debt Per Capita

            Connecticut $5,246
            Hawaii $5,346
            New Jersey $4,674
            Massachusetts $3,816
            Washington $3,150

            Top 5 Unfunded OPEB Liability (thousands)

            New York $66,479,000
            California $65,210,000
            New Jersey $63,881,000
            Texas $55,436,000
            Illinois $33,295,000

            Top 5 Outstanding Unemployment Trust Fund Loans (thousands)

            California $9,400,383
            New York $2,851,005
            North Carolina $1,894,163
            Ohio $1,552,419
            Indiana $1,343,674

            Top 5 State Debt Per Capita

            Alaska $40,714
            Hawaii $33,111
            Connecticut $31,298
            Ohio $27,836
            Illinois $24,959

            Bottom 5 State Debt Per Capita

            Arizona $9,321
            South Dakota $9,249
            Tennessee $6,358
            Indiana $7,094
            Wisconsin $7,863

            Top 5 State Debt as a Percentage of FY2012 Spending
            Nevada 1,048%
            Ohio 742%
            Illinois 727%
            California 647%
            Georgia 633%

            Bottom 5 State Debt as a Percentage of FY2012 Spending

            West Virginia 141%
            Wisconsin 146%
            Nebraska 191%
            Wyoming 222%
            North Dakota 224%

            State Budget Solutions' Fourth Annual State Debt Report > Publications > State Budget Solutions
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

              Most Obese states 2012

              1. Mississippi 34.9%
              2. Louisiana 33.4%
              3. West Virginia 32.4%
              4. Alabama 32.0%
              5. Michigan 31.3%
              6. Oklahoma 31.1%
              7. Arkansas 30.9%
              8. Indiana 30.8%
              8. South Carolina 30.8%
              10. Kentucky 30.4%
              10. Texas 30.4%
              I'll take Michigan and Indiana. I'll gladly surrender the rest. The good Lord a willin' and if the creek don't rise. If you get my drift.

              Cheers. - Frank

              P.S. Bacon is NOT a state flower!
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                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                P.S. Bacon is NOT a state flower!
                haha. Are you sure?

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                  Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                  P.S. Bacon is NOT a state flower!
                  Pork might be...
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                  haha. Are you sure?
                  I stand corrected!

                  Cheers. - Frank
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    @ seasoned

    Here you go...score a data point for the red team.

    7 U.S. Cities on the Verge of Bankruptcy (Updated Aug. 22, 2013 with Letter to Author)) >> Four Winds 10 - Truth Winds

    Cheers!

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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    Why not....let's lay a few more statistics out on the table. Obviously many giant blue stronghold states have a lot more trouble than say a state like Texas does. Heck, I'm almost a Rick Perry fan. And check it out...even the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics classifies the District of Columbia as a state for inclusion in the statistical ranks.

    Unemployment Rates for States

    Monthly Rankings
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Apr. 2014p
    Rank State Rate
    1 NORTH DAKOTA 2.6
    2 VERMONT 3.3
    3 NEBRASKA 3.6
    4 WYOMING 3.7
    5 SOUTH DAKOTA 3.8
    5 UTAH 3.8
    7 IOWA 4.3
    8 HAWAII 4.4
    8 NEW HAMPSHIRE 4.4
    10 LOUISIANA 4.5
    11 OKLAHOMA 4.6
    12 MINNESOTA 4.7
    13 KANSAS 4.8
    13 MONTANA 4.8
    15 VIRGINIA 4.9
    16 IDAHO 5.0
    17 TEXAS 5.2
    18 SOUTH CAROLINA 5.3
    19 MARYLAND 5.5
    20 INDIANA 5.7
    20 MAINE 5.7
    20 OHIO 5.7
    20 PENNSYLVANIA 5.7
    24 DELAWARE 5.8
    24 WISCONSIN 5.8
    26 COLORADO 6.0
    26 MASSACHUSETTS 6.0
    26 WEST VIRGINIA 6.0
    29 WASHINGTON 6.1
    30 FLORIDA 6.2
    30 NORTH CAROLINA 6.2
    32 TENNESSEE 6.3
    33 ALASKA 6.4
    34 ARKANSAS 6.6
    34 MISSOURI 6.6
    36 NEW YORK 6.7
    37 NEW MEXICO 6.8
    38 ALABAMA 6.9
    38 ARIZONA 6.9
    38 CONNECTICUT 6.9
    38 NEW JERSEY 6.9
    38 OREGON 6.9
    43 GEORGIA 7.0
    44 MICHIGAN 7.4
    45 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 7.5
    45 MISSISSIPPI 7.5
    47 KENTUCKY 7.7
    48 CALIFORNIA 7.8
    49 ILLINOIS 7.9
    50 NEVADA 8.0
    51 RHODE ISLAND 8.3

    Unemployment Rates for States
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    @ Steve

    I am sure you know the basics.

    Believe what you think to be true after evaluating as many facts and other relevant input that you can. Try to disregard all or as much pure opinion as possible.

    I'm a stats guy...if you ask me California faces some serious difficulties and I am California born. I've lived in Roseville, Sacramento, Vallejo (Napa Valley area -- Vallejo is a complete financial wreck these days), Los Angeles, San Diego & Chula Vista which just a mile or two from the Tijuana border.

    The problem with stats is that people spin them just like they spin everything else. I suggest look at all of the raw and trending data that you can and then come to your own conclusions.

    Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    Crap. I finally got it. Sibling marriages!

    Cheers. - Frank
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      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      Crap. I finally got it. Sibling marriages!

      Cheers. - Frank

      lol. Now try not to get the thread closed, Frank

      This says it in graphical depiction




      Source: States Most & Least Dependent on the Federal Government | WalletHub®

      10 States Most Dependent on the Federal Government

      States by Poverty Level




      Oh, and here's the top favorite beer by State
      Blowfish for Hangovers — Intoxication Nation

      But this isn't about the states that have the most dependency on federal funds or the highest poverty rate. It's about the states that petitioned to secede after the last presidential election, and I say, don't let the door hit ya.
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        lol. Now try not to get the thread closed, Frank
        OK. I'm done. lol I was in a very rambunctious and confrontational mood, yesterday. It happens. A lack of medication, but it beats the alternative.

        I do realize that my hyperbolic statements, seasoned with a dash of what I regard as sardonic wit, generally go over like a lead balloon, but I think most here know that I don't have a mean spirited bone in my body. Actually, if I had to be defined in a single word, it could only be, 'cherubic.'

        That said, please keep up the good work in my stead.

        Cheers. - Frank

        P.S. There is only one beer. Yuengling!
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    OK, S&P is one of the leading credit worthiness firms. They rank STATES, for bonds! If theyare caught lying, they WILL be sued!!!! They are in court saying these values are too favorable, and they are being extorted by the federal government, but..... Here is the RAW data, and a number of the best and worst!

    Illinois is the WORST and is in danger of getting a lower letter grade!!!!!!!!!

    California is the SECOND worst. It is now considered stable but if it goes down, it will be where illinois is.

    The fourth worst, new jersey, is run by a guy that is rumored to switch parties, and is a turncoat.
    The fifth worst is kentucky

    Indiana is COMFORTABLY in the BEST column!
    Texas is ALSO on the best list. I took AA+ to be the start of the best. California is only an A.

    The R or D refers to the color of that state.


    State To From Date
    Kentucky AA-/Negative AA-/Stable Jan. 31, 2013
    California A/Stable A-/Positive Jan. 31, 2013
    Illinois A-/Negative A/Negative Jan. 25, 2013
    New Jersey AA-/Negative AA-/Stable Sept. 18, 2012
    Vermont AA+/Positive AA+/Stable Sept. 17, 2012
    Illinois A/Negative A+/Negative Aug. 29, 2012
    New York AA/Positive AA/Stable Aug. 27, 2012
    Table 2
    Standard & Poor's State Ratings
    Ratings as of Jan. 31, 2013
    State Rating Outlook State Rating Outlook
    Alabama AA Stable Montana AA Stable
    Alaska AAA Stable Nebraska (ICR) AAA Stable
    Arizona (ICR) AA- Stable Nevada AA Stable
    Arkansas AA Stable New Hampshire AA Stable
    California A Stable New Jersey AA- Negative
    Colorado (ICR) AA Stable New Mexico AA+ Stable
    Connecticut AA Stable New York AA Positive
    Delaware AAA Stable North Carolina AAA Stable
    Florida AAA Stable North Dakota (ICR) AA+ Positive
    Georgia AAA Stable Ohio AA+ Stable
    Hawaii AA Stable Oklahoma AA+ Stable
    Idaho (ICR) AA+ Stable Oregon AA+ Stable
    Illinois A- Negative Pennsylvania AA Negative
    Indiana (ICR) AAA Stable Rhode Island AA Stable
    Iowa (ICR) AAA Stable South Carolina AA+ Stable
    Kansas (ICR) AA+ Stable South Dakota (ICR) AA+ Stable
    Kentucky (ICR) AA- Negative Tennessee AA+ Positive
    Louisiana AA Stable Texas AA+ Stable
    Maine AA Stable Utah AAA Stable
    Maryland AAA Stable Vermont AA+ Positive
    Massachusetts AA+ Stable Virginia AAA Stable
    Michigan AA- Stable Washington AA+ Stable
    Minnesota AA+ Stable West Virginia AA Stable
    Mississippi AA Stable Wisconsin AA Stable
    Missouri AAA Stable Wyoming (ICR) AAA Stable

    SIX WORST!

    D-Illinois A- Negative
    D-California A Stable
    R-Arizona (ICR) AA- Stable
    D?-New Jersey AA- Negative
    D-Kentucky (ICR) AA- Negative
    R-Michigan AA- Stable

    BEST


    R-Alaska AAA Stable
    R-Nebraska (ICR) AAA Stable
    D-Delaware AAA Stable
    R-North Carolina AAA Stable
    R-Florida AAA Stable
    R-Georgia AAA Stable
    R-Indiana (ICR) AAA Stable
    R-Iowa (ICR) AAA Stable
    R-Utah AAA Stable
    D-Maryland AAA Stable
    D-Virginia AAA Stable
    D-Missouri AAA Stable
    R-Wyoming (ICR) AAA Stable
    R-New Mexico AA+ Stable
    R-North Dakota (ICR) AA+ Positive
    R-Texas AA+ Stable

    Steve
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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      SIX WORST!

      D-Illinois A- Negative
      D-California A Stable
      R-Arizona (ICR) AA- Stable
      D?-New Jersey AA- Negative
      D-Kentucky (ICR) AA- Negative
      R-Michigan AA- Stable

      BEST

      R-Alaska AAA Stable
      R-Nebraska (ICR) AAA Stable
      D-Delaware AAA Stable
      R-North Carolina AAA Stable
      R-Florida AAA Stable
      R-Georgia AAA Stable
      R-Indiana (ICR) AAA Stable
      R-Iowa (ICR) AAA Stable
      R-Utah AAA Stable
      D-Maryland AAA Stable
      D-Virginia AAA Stable
      D-Missouri AAA Stable
      R-Wyoming (ICR) AAA Stable
      R-New Mexico AA+ Stable
      R-North Dakota (ICR) AA+ Positive
      R-Texas AA+ Stable

      Steve
      Nice post, Steve. Not only have I lived in a bunch of California cities I just spent almost 20 years in the electronics/appliance business in Springfield, Peoria, Bloomington/Normal & Rockford, Illinois. I opened the first Dishnetwork sales and service center in the Rockford area back in 1996.

      I can tell you Rockford had some of the worst violent crime and unemployment rates in the nation year after year after year. I have also lived in North Chicago and Waukeegan back in the early/mid 80's and those cities were not much to brag about either! Springfield and Bloomington/Normal were pretty nice cities but the rest of those locales had seen better days.

      I am in Iowa now that's were my wife and I went to high school way back in the day. This state is in good shape financially but it has been shifting from red to blue for a number of years. After 30 years away from here it's sure seems a lot different!

      Cheers
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    (At the risk of falling back to the original topic...)

    Wait... Other advertisers threatened to take their business elsewhere if the sign weren't removed. It wasn't threats from some governmental agency or civic group. And there was neither violence nor the threat of it involved.

    How is that like Stalinist Russia, exactly?
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      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      (At the risk of falling back to the original topic...)

      Wait... Other advertisers threatened to take their business elsewhere if the sign weren't removed. It wasn't threats from some governmental agency or civic group. And there was neither violence nor the threat of it involved.

      How is that like Stalinist Russia, exactly?
      So, in other words, it wasn't the gov, it was their sponsors :rolleyes:.

      Sorry - but how could I resist that one? LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    If "blue states" are *****SO***** independent, why do THEY want higher federal taxes and expenses!?!?!?!?

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