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Restaurant with 'No Weapons, No Concealed Firearms' Sign Robbed at Gunpoint

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Well, WTF did the owner expect? You don't put up signs that tells criminals that everyone in a place is defenseless. I wouldn't go anywhere to eat that had a sign like that up. It's an open invitation.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    I wonder how their insurer is going to deal with that. Under normal circumstances they'd be covered for an event like that, however with that sign......

    Sort of like if you leave your front door open and your house gets burgled, the insurer is not going to pay out.

    Like I said, interesting.

    (You can tell I used to work in the insurance industry, can't you. )
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    ... as opposed to all the robberies that occurred in places with no signs in the windows ... so you automatically extrapolate that robberies don't happen in establishments that allow a bunch of yahoos to sit around strapped down with 50 lbs of assault weapons and ammo.

    ha ha. Good one. Gotta love Brietbart. Too bad his rag didn't cease to exist when he did.

    ... but what about these restaurants? They didn't have any signs.

    Jade Garden restaurant robbed in Allentown | Local - Home

    Chicken King restaurant robbed - KLFY News 10

    Meridian Street restaurant robbed by man with gun - WAFF-TV: News, Weather and Sports for Huntsville, AL

    Monroe Street Wendy's restaurant robbed at gunpoint - Toledo News Now, Breaking News, Weather, Sports, Toledo

    Subway Restaurant Robbed Twice In Only Few Days | LEX18.com

    Employees of Minnetonka restaurant robbed at gunpoint | Video | kare11.com

    Greensboro Restaurant Robbed | digtriad.com

    News/Talk KZRG - Joplin Subway Restaurant Robbed By Gunman

    Two restaurant employees pistol whipped during robbery in SE Houston | abc13.com

    ..... I'll stop there. Suffice it to say that restaurants with or without signs get robbed daily.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    All of those would be covered by their insurer
    So let's say a restaurant has a sign that says "Only heavily armed diners allowed", and one of those diners doesn't like the main entree and they kill everyone in the restaurant, will the insurance cover the damage? They did invite heavily armed "individuals", thereby increasing risk of something happening that is gun related.

    It's so nice to live in a state where the motive for dining out is eating, and spending time with people you like rather than making political statements.[/quote]

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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      So let's say a restaurant has a sign that says "Only heavily armed diners allowed", and one of those diners doesn't like the main entree and they kill everyone in the restaurant, will the insurance cover the damage? They did invite heavily armed "individuals", thereby increasing risk of something happening that is gun related.
      A restaurant like that would never get any type of insurance, so effectively they couldn't open for business in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    It could have been a disgruntled gun owner retaliating against The Sign.

    Got to have that gun when eating BBQ.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Standard disclaimer, and YEAH, they are paid by the NRA, but this IS pure fact:


    sbucciarel,

    The troublemakers would likely be known felons and go to jail for merely having a gun, so they wouldn't even go in. There ARE businesses that advertise that THEY have a gun, and they are still insured, etc...

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Standard disclaimer, and YEAH, they are paid by the NRA, but this IS pure fact:
      Steve
      ... yeah, because the front men shills for gun manufacturers known as the NRA are so well noted for pure FACT. lol
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        ... yeah, because the front men shills for gun manufacturers known as the NRA are so well noted for pure FACT. lol
        I bet you NEVER even bothered to watch! OK, if I ever come up with some fantastic answer to everything, I know how to package it!

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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          I bet you NEVER even bothered to watch! OK, if I ever come up with some fantastic answer to everything, I know how to package it!

          Steve
          uh Steve. I live in the country and connect to the Internet with a tethered Droid, so watching videos is a rare thing for me, but no, I wouldn't waste any time watching an NRA video. I have a lifetime experience with the NRA. My father is a lifetime member. They call and mail here all the time. And I was completely disgusted when I watch La Pierre's response to the mass murder of children. Completely Disgusted. Since then, they still call here for my father and my father is now too old to run and answer the phone, so I get to say "F*&k the NRA" and hang up and leave them wondering what happened to their dedicated lifetime member.

          You see, my father knew the NRA when it was much more about sports than the political organization it is today.

          So it's worth asking whom, exactly, the NRA speaks for: America's gun owners, or its gun makers?

          It's far from obvious. The group bills itself as the 140-year-old voice of the gun-loving grassroots -- the deer hunters, sport shooters, and self-defense-minded 2nd Amendment devotees who woud kindly like the government to keep its hands off their Glocks and AR-15s. But the modern NRA's hard-line political stances, which often seem out of step even with the majority of gun-owners, and its deepening industry ties have led some to argue that the group is little more than a corporate lobbyist dressed up in woodsy camouflage.

          Whom Does the NRA Really Speak For? - Jordan Weissmann - The Atlantic
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            You see, my father knew the NRA when it was much more about sports than the political organization it is today.
            I was a member back then. When they started to become more of a political organization I dropped out.

            As for signs in businesses, I think putting up a sign weather it says guns welcome or no guns allowed is stupid.
            Either way you alienate part of your customer base and what business can afford to loose customers today?
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            You see, my father knew the NRA when it was much more about sports than the political organization it is today.
            And I didn't bother watching the news, and had no interest in politics.

            So WHY did the NRA and I change? WE DIDN'T!!!!!!!!!!! I found the government was charging WAY to much and didn't care to do ANYTHING! So I got interested.

            The NRA started getting attacked, and so THEY got political. If the NRA did nothing, guns would probably be OUTLAWED.

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              Why is it that not having guns works in Europe but not in the U.S.?
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Originally Posted by OMalleys Publishing View Post

                Why is it that not having guns works in Europe but not in the U.S.?
                Because they still have guns there.
                Some of the countries like Britian and Germany have strict gun laws, others like Switzerland are less restrictive.
                The only two countries I can think of that have a total gun ban for citizens are China and North Korea.
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              The NRA started getting attacked, and so THEY got political. If the NRA did nothing, guns would probably be OUTLAWED.

              Steve
              Get a grip. The NRA did not write the Constitution ... you know ... that little piece of paper with the 2nd Amendment in it? :rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                Get a grip. The NRA did not write the Constitution ... you know ... that little piece of paper with the 2nd Amendment in it? :rolleyes:
                What logic and reasoning did you use to come to the conclusion the Steve's premise was the the NRA wrote the constitution? I read his post, and I see nothing that even implies that idea.
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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

                  What logic and reasoning did you use to come to the conclusion the Steve's premise was the the NRA wrote the constitution? I read his post, and I see nothing that even implies that idea.
                  Duh ... his statement that without the NRA, guns would be outlawed. Fairly ridiculous assumption, IMO. Guns have been part of the American culture long before the NRA started shilling for the manufacturers.
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                  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    Duh ... his statement that without the NRA, guns would be outlawed. Fairly ridiculous assumption, IMO. Guns have been part of the American culture long before the NRA started shilling for the manufacturers.
                    So, if you support gay rights, using your logic, it is safe for everyone to assume you are claiming to be the origin of all homosexual activity?
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                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    Duh ... his statement that without the NRA, guns would be outlawed. Fairly ridiculous assumption, IMO. Guns have been part of the American culture long before the NRA started shilling for the manufacturers.

                    Sue, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on this one! With out the NRA's staunch fight for the right to carry arms and defend yourself, they probably would have done away with the second amendment or water it down severely.

                    Look at how everything started getting politically correct and wanting the words "In God We Trust" removed from our currency, in public schools they can't discuss religion when it should have some subject matter but the students/parents option to partake in the subject but not eliminate it for those who are interested.
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                    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                      "In God We Trust"...
                      ... was added to your currency long after the Constitution was written.

                      History of 'In God We Trust'.
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                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                      Sue, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on this one! With out the NRA's staunch fight for the right to carry arms and defend yourself, they probably would have done away with the second amendment or water it down severely.

                      Look at how everything started getting politically correct and wanting the words "In God We Trust" removed from our currency, in public schools they can't discuss religion when it should have some subject matter but the students/parents option to partake in the subject but not eliminate it for those who are interested.
                      I respectfully disagree also. With or without a corporate lobby for the gun manufacturers, this nation is obsessed with guns and I don't think that will ever change.

                      [Edited by me because religion is not allowed to be discussed here]
                      Separation of Church and State. End of Story
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                      • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post


                        [Edited by me because religion is not allowed to be discussed here]
                        Separation of Church and State. End of Story

                        Yes I agree with separation of CaS but I do believe that it shouldn't be taken away all together as long as it is not force fed down a students throat.

                        Children have a right to learn about it UN censored, just as women should have the right to do with their bodies as they please (abortion).
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                        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                          Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                          Children have a right to learn about it UN censored
                          Children lack the ability to think critically. I won't say anymore on that.
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                            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                            Children lack the ability to think critically..
                            Unfortunately, so do most of the 'adults' that I know. :confused:

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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                          Children have a right to learn about it UN censored, just as women should have the right to do with their bodies as they please (abortion).
                          From their parents. Not in school.
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                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            From their parents. Not in school.
                            I went to school in the 50's and 60's.
                            I learned in school that there where many different religions in the world. If we wanted to learn more about any of those religions, we did it on our own by talking to people of those religions or by going to the library. We where taught evolution as a part of natural history and the evolution of man in history.
                            If your faith was in disagreement with what you where taught in school it was up to you to work it out, not the school. If you or your parents had a problem with it you where politely told to go to a parochial school.
                            We learned about our own religion or faith from our parents and Sunday school.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

                  What logic and reasoning did you use to come to the conclusion the Steve's premise was the the NRA wrote the constitution? I read his post, and I see nothing that even implies that idea.
                  You are arguing points that Suzanne is not making.

                  It happens in emotionally charged arguments.
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                      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

                      The fact is, she is arguing points Steve is not making. It happens in emotionally charged topics.
                      Not a perfect comparison, but clever.
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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                Get a grip. The NRA did not write the Constitution ... you know ... that little piece of paper with the 2nd Amendment in it? :rolleyes:
                WOW! You are really PUSHING it.

                OK, I will then assume the only thing that is INFINITESIMALLY logical given your statement.

                Are you saying that anyone can wipe out any part of the constitution if they didn't write it?

                And NO, the NRA wasn't even around when the constitution was written. But the 2nd amendment is the only thing that CODIFIES their legal existence, though the 1st could arguably be used there. If things aren't codified as being legal, they may be codified as being ILLEGAL. Once that happens, the 1st amendment is often considered to be invalid. Child porn, for example, is codified as being illegal, and mere owning it could land you in jail. The same is true of state secrets, release of some designs, even if they are your own, etc...

                HECK! The two SPECIFICALLY allowed uses of the 1st amendment are freedom OF religion, and redress of government. They have TWISTED the first and say it is freedom FROM. They have GREATLY limited the second, and want to wipe it out.

                They are doing the same with the 2nd. BTW the US government is now shutting down electronic transfers and checks for gun dealer transactions. The only currently reliable method is CASH!!!! Oh SURE, some banks allow it. The list is getting smaller. SURE some processors allow it. The list is getting smaller. Some independent credit cards may allow it, but WHO KNOWS? Mastercard and visa AREN'T independent. They rely on the bank policies.

                And there certainly isn't much point in a magazine related to the care and love of an object that is outlawed, so the market for gun magazines would dry up anyway.

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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  WOW! You are really PUSHING it.
                  Pushing what Steve? By mentioning the fact that the Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms and the NRA doesn't have a thing to do with that. lol.

                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  OK, I will then assume the only thing that is INFINITESIMALLY logical given your statement.

                  Are you saying that anyone can wipe out any part of the constitution if they didn't write it?
                  Duh .... do you need a reading comprehension class? I wrote no such thing. How did you get that out of one sentence?

                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  And NO, the NRA wasn't even around when the constitution was written. But the 2nd amendment is the only thing that CODIFIES their legal existence, though the 1st could arguably be used there. If things aren't codified as being legal, they may be codified as being ILLEGAL. Once that happens, the 1st amendment is often considered to be invalid. Child porn, for example, is codified as being illegal, and mere owning it could land you in jail. The same is true of state secrets, release of some designs, even if they are your own, etc...
                  So now you're on to child porn and the 1st amendment. Let me take a breather to try in my mind to understand the path you are taking here. .................. Still sorting.

                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  HECK! The two SPECIFICALLY allowed uses of the 1st amendment are freedom OF religion, and redress of government. They have TWISTED the first and say it is freedom FROM. They have GREATLY limited the second, and want to wipe it out.
                  I'll refrain from commenting on the 1.st. I like to concentrate on one amendment and issue at a time, thanks. But sure, the 2nd is so limited that a recent Gallup Poll found that 60 percent of Americans own guns. Now if we all buy our children guns, we could get that figure up quite a bit. And then there's the pets. We already allow the mentally ill and known criminals free access to weapons. All they have to do is go to a gun show and buy a gun. No questions asked.

                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  They are doing the same with the 2nd. BTW the US government is now shutting down electronic transfers and checks for gun dealer transactions. The only currently reliable method is CASH!!!! Oh SURE, some banks allow it. The list is getting smaller. SURE some processors allow it. The list is getting smaller. Some independent credit cards may allow it, but WHO KNOWS? Mastercard and visa AREN'T independent. They rely on the bank policies.
                  Credit card companies and banks can make whatever policies they want to make. They're not too keen on the legal pot industry either, but let's see ... I googled us government bans checks for payment of guns and the only thing that came up was "are you freaking serious ... ha ha ha ha ha".

                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                  And there certainly isn't much point in a magazine related to the care and love of an object that is outlawed, so the market for gun magazines would dry up anyway.

                  Steve
                  .... but the object isn't outlawed, now is it Steve. Again, in case you haven't heard, it is protected by the 2nd Amendment. But you do love these "the sky is falling" conversations.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

    Restaurant with 'No Weapons, No Concealed Firearms' Sign Robbed at Gunpoint

    And no, I'm not really expecting this thread to survive
    You had a gun nut. He was the one robbing the place.

    Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

    ...No... that was a criminal
    Mike; My definition of a Gun Nut is a moron, or otherwise defective human being...with a gun.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      ... yeah, because the front men shills for gun manufacturers known as the NRA are so well noted for pure FACT. lol
      Just because "you're" paranoid doesn't mean no one's out to get you...

      Which is to say just because they're "shills" doesn't make facts any less facts


      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      You had a gun nut. He was the one robbing the place.

      ...No... that was a criminal
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        Just because "you're" paranoid doesn't mean no one's out to get you...

        Which is to say just because they're "shills" doesn't make facts any less facts
        I'm paranoid about what? Where did you get that I'm paranoid? Because I live in a state where people prefer dining and socializing in a restaurant over staging weapon displays?

        Facts spun are no longer facts. They are spin. Poor NRA must be chomping at the bit for another mass murder in first quarter 2014 with gun sales down, because they are sooo good for business.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I'm paranoid about what? Where did you get that I'm paranoid? Because I live in a state where people prefer dining and socializing in a restaurant over staging weapon displays?
          No no no...

          I put the "you're" in quotes hoping you'd get that I wasn't referring to you. I was simply using that quote to illustrate that just because we may not like something, or whatever, and especially if we don't like the news source, doesn't mean it's untrue or should be dismissed out of hand.

          We tend to do that...

          I don't know you well enough to know if you are paranoid

          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Facts spun are no longer facts. They are spin. Poor NRA must be chomping at the bit for another mass murder in first quarter 2014 with gun sales down, because they are sooo good for business.
          This illustrates my point. Is it spun? Or you believe it's spun because you either don't agree with their facts or just really don't like the news source?
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

            No no no...

            This illustrates my point. Is it spun? Or you believe it's spun because you either don't agree with their facts or just really don't like the news source?
            Ok ... I get you. You see, I don't consider "facts" coming from self-interested parties to be pure facts to support an argument. When I'm researching for these posts, for example, I have a lot of pages open, and granted, the ones that swing a certain way, will undoubtedly have arguments to support my position. I usually close and discard them and go for the sources that don't have anything to gain either way. So, in a conversation about guns and gun laws, I would automatically discard "facts" presented by the NRA, which has nothing but self interest at stake.

            It's the same when reading the news. I don't choose news sources that are noted for spin in a certain direction. I prefer to read unbiased news and come to my own conclusions.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
    Typically civilians packing guns will not do a very good job of intervening in an armed robbery.
    They are just as likely to get into a gunfight and harm bystanders or the victims of the robbery.
    Especially the "gun nuts" the OP is looking for.
    If the "open carry" idiots were there, the guys in the hoodies would eliminate them before announcing the robbery.
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    • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
      Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

      Typically civilians packing guns will not do a very good job of intervening in an armed robbery.
      They are just as likely to get into a gunfight and harm bystanders or the victims of the robbery.
      Especially the "gun nuts" the OP is looking for.
      If the "open carry" idiots were there, the guys in the hoodies would eliminate them before announcing the robbery.
      Wrong. The boys in hoodies, upon seeing the open carry fellas would have done an about face and done their robbing somewhere else.

      Criminals only do their crimes when and where they are convinced that they will get away with it. Similarly to how bullies only pick on those they can dominate.

      "Hey Jammal if we go in there we have a 50% chance of getting killed, horribly mamed or experience severe pain" " hey cool lets go"
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      Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

      Typically civilians packing guns will not do a very good job of intervening in an armed robbery.
      They are just as likely to get into a gunfight and harm bystanders or the victims of the robbery.
      Especially the "gun nuts" the OP is looking for.
      If the "open carry" idiots were there, the guys in the hoodies would eliminate them before announcing the robbery.
      If you can back up your opinions, please do.

      On the other hand, I can show more than a few instances where armed civilians have intervened, inflicting harm only on the bad guys, and probably (IMHO) saving other lives in the process.

      Here's one:


      THEN, there are the times the police have shot and killed innocent bystanders. I think that happens more often than your scenario.
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      Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

      Typically civilians packing guns will not do a very good job of intervening in an armed robbery.
      They are just as likely to get into a gunfight and harm bystanders or the victims of the robbery.
      Especially the "gun nuts" the OP is looking for.
      If the "open carry" idiots were there, the guys in the hoodies would eliminate them before announcing the robbery.
      Can you cite some statistics? Not specifically armed robberies here but 11% of cop kills were innocents while only 2% of the civilian kills were innocents.

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      * Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.[5]

      * Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).[6] And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."[7]

      * Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year. [8] Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as "Saturday Night Specials."


      Criminals avoid armed citizens

      * Kennesaw, GA. In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole. [16]

      * Ten years later (1991), the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72% lower than it had been in 1981, before the law was passed. [17]

      * Nationwide. Statistical comparisons with other countries show that burglars in the United States are far less apt to enter an occupied home than their foreign counterparts who live in countries where fewer civilians own firearms. Consider the following rates showing how often a homeowner is present when a burglar strikes:

      * Homeowner occupancy rate in the gun control countries of Great Britain, Canada and Netherlands: 45% (average of the three countries); and, * Homeowner occupancy rate in the United States: 12.7%. [18] Rapes averted when women carry or use firearms for protection

      * Orlando, FL. In 1966-67, the media highly publicized a safety course which taught Orlando women how to use guns. The result: Orlando's rape rate dropped 88% in 1967, whereas the rape rate remained constant in the rest of Florida and the nation. [19]

      * Nationwide. In 1979, the Carter Justice Department found that of more than 32,000 attempted rapes, 32% were actually committed. But when a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of the attempted rapes were actually successful. [20] Justice Department study:

      * 3/5 of felons polled agreed that "a criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun." [21]

      * 74% of felons polled agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime."[22] * 57% of felons polled agreed that "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police."

      https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm
      Cheers

      -don
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      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

      Strictly from a marketing point of view, this is a very persuasive piece of copywriting...





      However, it lacks a call to action.
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        Well... if you put it that way, I wouldn't want to patron that establishment either.
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          Well... if you put it that way, I wouldn't want to patron that establishment either.
          lol ... I had fun with the copy ... now let's see if it goes viral. Probably not.
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    Restaurant with 'No Weapons, No Concealed Firearms' Sign Robbed at Gunpoint

    And no, I'm not really expecting this thread to survive

    >Re: Where are the gun nuts when you need one?

    Apparently, three of them were robbing a restaurant.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      >Re: Where are the gun nuts when you need one?

      Apparently, three of them were robbing a restaurant.
      Yea, but... but...

      I can't find any flaws driving your sarcasm
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      >Re: Where are the gun nuts when you need one?

      Apparently, three of them were robbing a restaurant.
      I love it when the truth is funny also
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    • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
      When the NRA says, "Guns don't kill people -- people kill people," they've got it half-right. Except I would amend it to this: "Guns don't kill people -- Americans kill people."


      By Michael Moore
      With due respect to those who are asking me to comment on last night's tragic mass shooting at UCSB in Isla Vista, CA -- I no longer have anything to say about what is now part of normal American life. Everything I have to say about this, I said it 12 years ago: We are a people easily manipulated by fear which causes us to arm ourselves with a quarter BILLION guns in our homes that are often easily accessible to young people, burglars, the mentally ill and anyone who momentarily snaps. We are a nation founded in violence, grew our borders through violence, and allow men in power to use violence around the world to further our so-called American (corporate) "interests." The gun, not the eagle, is our true national symbol. While other countries have more violent pasts (Germany, Japan), more guns per capita in their homes (Canada [mostly hunting guns]), and the kids in most other countries watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games that our kids play, no one even comes close to killing as many of its own citizens on a daily basis as we do -- and yet we don't seem to want to ask ourselves this simple question: "Why us? What is it about US?" Nearly all of our mass shootings are by angry or disturbed white males. None of them are committed by the majority gender, women. Hmmm, why is that? Even when 90% of the American public calls for stronger gun laws, Congress refuses -- and then we the people refuse to remove them from office. So the onus is on us, all of us. We won't pass the necessary laws, but more importantly we won't consider why this happens here all the time. When the NRA says, "Guns don't kill people -- people kill people," they've got it half-right. Except I would amend it to this: "Guns don't kill people -- Americans kill people." Enjoy the rest of your day, and rest assured this will all happen again very soon.
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      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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        Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

        When the NRA says, "Guns don't kill people -- people kill people," they've got it half-right. Except I would amend it to this: "Guns don't kill people -- Americans kill people."
        I agree our murder rates are too high as an economically developed country --> but it's not just US citizens that are killing people.


        UNODC murder rates most recent year calculated per 100,000 inhabitants

        Country Rate Count Region Subregion

        Honduras 91.6 7,104 Americas Central America
        Venezuela 79.0[10] 24,783 Americas South America
        El Salvador 69.2 4,308 Americas Central America
        Ivory Coast 56.9 10,801 Africa Western Africa
        Belize 41.4 129 Americas Central America
        Jamaica 40.9 1,125 Americas Caribbean
        U.S. Virgin Islands 39.2 43 Americas Caribbean
        Guatemala 38.5 5,681 Americas Central America
        Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2 20 Americas Caribbean
        Zambia 38.0 4,710 Africa Eastern Africa
        Bahamas 36.6 127 Americas Caribbean
        Uganda 36.3 11,373 Africa Eastern Africa
        Malawi 36.0 5,039 Africa Eastern Africa
        Lesotho 35.2 764 Africa Southern Africa
        South Africa 31.8 15,940 Africa Southern Africa
        Trinidad and Tobago 31.3 407[8] Americas Caribbean
        Congo 30.8 1,180 Africa Middle Africa
        Colombia 30.8 14,670+ Americas South America
        Central African Republic 29.3 1,240 Africa Middle Africa
        Puerto Rico 26.2 983 Americas Caribbean
        Ethiopia 25.5 20,239 Africa Eastern Africa
        Saint Lucia 25.2 44 Americas Caribbean
        Dominican Republic 25.0 2,513 Americas Caribbean
        Tanzania 24.5 10,357 Africa Eastern Africa
        Sudan 24.2 10,028++ Africa Northern Africa
        Mexico 23.7 27,199+ Americas North America
        Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9 25 Americas Caribbean
        Guinea 22.5 2,152 Africa Western Africa
        Dominica 22.1 15 Americas Caribbean
        Brazil 21.8 42,785 Americas South America
        Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7 13,558 Africa Middle Africa
        Panama 21.6 759 Americas Central America
        Equatorial Guinea 20.7 137 Africa Middle Africa
        Guinea-Bissau 20.2 294 Africa Western Africa
        Kenya 20.1 7,733 Africa Eastern Africa
        Kyrgyzstan 20.1 1,072 Asia Central Asia
        Cameroon 19.7 3,700 Africa Middle Africa
        Montserrat 19.7 1 Americas Caribbean
        Greenland 19.2 11 Europe Northern Europe
        Angola 19.0 3,426 Africa Middle Africa
        Guyana 18.6 140 Americas South America
        Ecuador 18.2 2,638 Americas South America
        Burkina Faso 18.0 2,876 Africa Western Africa
        Eritrea 17.8 879 Africa Eastern Africa
        Namibia 17.2 352 Africa Southern Africa
        Rwanda 17.1 1,708 Africa Eastern Africa
        Chad 15.8 1,686 Africa Middle Africa
        Ghana 15.7 3,646 Africa Western Africa
        North Korea 15.2 3,658 Asia Eastern Asia
        Benin 15.1 1,262 Africa Western Africa
        Sierra Leone 14.9 837 Africa Western Africa
        Mauritania 14.7 485 Africa Western Africa
        Botswana 14.5 287 Africa Southern Africa
        Zimbabwe 14.3 1,775 Africa Eastern Africa
        Gabon 13.8 200 Africa Middle Africa
        French Guiana 13.3 30 Americas South America
        Papua New Guinea 13.0 854 Oceania Melanesia
        Swaziland 12.9 141 Africa Southern Africa
        Nicaragua 12.6 738 Americas Central America
        Bermuda 12.3 8 Americas Northern America
        Comoros 12.2 85 Africa Eastern Africa
        Nigeria 12.2 18,422 Africa Western Africa
        Cape Verde 11.6 56 Africa Western Africa
        Grenada 11.5 12 Americas Caribbean
        Paraguay 11.5 741 Americas South America
        Barbados 11.3 31 Americas Caribbean
        Togo 10.9 627 Africa Western Africa
        Gambia 10.8 106 Africa Western Africa
        Peru 10.3 2,969 Americas South America
        Myanmar 10.2 4,800 Asia South-Eastern Asia
        Liberia 10.1 371 Africa Western Africa
        Costa Rica 10.0 474 Americas Central America
        Nauru 9.8 1 Oceania Micronesia
        Russia 9.7 13,826 Europe Eastern Europe
        Bolivia 8.9 884 Americas South America
        Kazakhstan 8.8 1,418 Asia Central Asia
        Senegal 8.7 1,027 Africa Western Africa
        Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7 3 Americas Caribbean
        Mongolia 8.7 239 Asia Eastern Asia
        British Virgin Islands 8.6 2 Americas Caribbean
        Cayman Islands 8.4 5 Americas Caribbean
        Seychelles 8.3 7 Africa Eastern Africa
        Madagascar 8.1 1,588 Africa Eastern Africa
        Indonesia 8.1 18,963 Asia South-Eastern Asia
        Mali 8.0 1,157 Africa Western Africa
        Pakistan 7.8 13,860+ Asia Southern Asia
        Moldova 7.5 267 Europe Eastern Europe
        Kiribati 7.3 7 Oceania Micronesia
        Guadeloupe 7.0 32 Americas Caribbean
        Haiti 6.9 689 Americas Caribbean
        Timor-Leste 6.9 75 Asia South-Eastern Asia
        Anguilla 6.8 1 Americas Caribbean
        Antigua and Barbuda 6.8 6 Americas Caribbean
        Lithuania 6.6 219 Europe Northern Europe
        Uruguay 5.9 199 Americas South America
        Argentina 5.5 2237 Americas South America
        Philippines 5.4 4,947 Asia South-Eastern Asia
        Ukraine 5.2 2,356 Europe Eastern Europe
        Estonia 5.2 70 Europe Northern Europe
        Cuba 5.0 563 Americas Caribbean
        Belarus 4.9 473 Europe Eastern Europe
        United States 4.8 14,173 Americas Northern America
        Thailand 4.8 3,307 Asia South-Eastern Asia
        Suriname 4.6 24 Americas South America
        Laos 4.6 279 Asia South-Eastern Asia
        Martinique 4.2 17 Americas Caribbean
        Turkmenistan 4.2 203 Asia Central Asia
        Yemen 4.2 990+ Asia Western Asia
        Burundi 4.1 349 Africa Eastern Africa
        Palestine 4.1 145+ Asia Western Asia
        Albania 4.0 127 Europe Southern Europe
        Niger 3.8 552 Africa Western Africa
        Chile 3.7 639 Americas South America
        Solomon Islands 3.7 19 Oceania Melanesia
        Sri Lanka 3.6 745 Asia Southern Asia
        Bulgaria 3.6 267 Europe Eastern Europe
        India 3.5 42,923 Asia Southern Asia
        Montenegro 3.5 22 Europe Southern Europe
        Djibouti 3.4 29 Africa Eastern Africa
        Cambodia 3.4 448 Asia South-Eastern Asia
        Mozambique 3.3 750 Africa Eastern Africa
        Turkey 3.3 2,320 Asia Western Asia
        Taiwan 3.2 743 Asia Eastern Asia
        Uzbekistan 3.1 831 Asia Central Asia
        Latvia 3.1 70 Europe Northern Europe
        Iran 3.0 2,215 Asia Southern Asia
        Libya 2.9 176+ Africa Northern Africa
        Nepal 2.8 818 Asia Southern Asia
        Liechtenstein 2.8 1 Europe Western Europe
        Fiji 2.8 23 Oceania Melanesia
        Bangladesh 2.7 3,988 Asia Southern Asia
        Mauritius 2.5 33 Africa Eastern Africa
        Georgia 2.5 107 Europe Eastern Europe
        Afghanistan 2.4 712+ Asia Southern Asia
        Malaysia 2.3 604 Asia South-Eastern Asia
        Azerbaijan 2.2 206 Asia Western Asia
        Kuwait 2.2 59 Asia Western Asia
        Lebanon 2.2 95 Asia Western Asia
        Finland 2.2 118 Europe Northern Europe
        Norway 2.2 111 Europe Northern Europe
        Tajikistan 2.1 143 Asia Central Asia
        Israel 2.1 159+ Asia Western Asia
        Iraq 2.0 608+ Asia Western Asia
        Romania 2.0 421 Europe Eastern Europe
        São Tomé and Príncipe 1.9 3 Africa Middle Africa
        Macedonia 1.9 40 Europe Southern Europe
        Jordan 1.8 100 Asia Western Asia
        Cyprus 1.7 19 Asia Western Asia
        Belgium 1.7 180 Europe Western Europe
        Canada 1.6 554 Americas Northern America
        Vietnam 1.6 1,346 Asia South-Eastern Asia
        Maldives 1.6 5 Asia Southern Asia
        Somalia 1.5 138+ Africa Eastern Africa
        Algeria 1.5 516 Africa Northern Africa
        Slovakia 1.5 84 Europe Eastern Europe
        Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.5 56 Europe Southern Europe
        Greece 1.5 176 Europe Southern Europe
        Morocco 1.4 447 Africa Northern Africa
        Armenia 1.4 44 Europe Eastern Europe
        Croatia 1.4 62 Europe Southern Europe
        Hungary 1.3 133 Europe Eastern Europe
        Andorra 1.3 1 Europe Southern Europe
        Egypt 1.2 992 Africa Northern Africa
        Ireland 1.2 54 Europe Northern Europe
        United Kingdom 1.2 722 Europe Northern Europe
        Portugal 1.2 124 Europe Southern Europe
        Serbia 1.2 123 Europe Southern Europe
        Tunisia 1.1 117 Africa Northern Africa
        Poland 1.1 436 Europe Eastern Europe
        France 1.1 682 Europe Western Europe
        Netherlands 1.1 179 Europe Western Europe
        Samoa 1.1 2 Oceania Polynesia
        China 1.0 13,410 Asia Eastern Asia
        Bhutan 1.0 7 Asia Southern Asia
        Sweden 1.0 91 Europe Northern Europe
        Malta 1.0 4 Europe Southern Europe
        Australia 1.0 229 Oceania Australasia
        Tonga 1.0 1 Oceania Polynesia
        South Korea[note 1][note 2] 0.9 427 Asia Eastern Asia
        Qatar 0.9 13 Asia Western Asia
        Denmark 0.9 29 Europe Northern Europe
        Italy 0.9 529 Europe Southern Europe
        New Zealand 0.9 39 Oceania Australasia
        Vanuatu 0.9 2 Oceania Melanesia
        Federated States of Micronesia 0.9 1 Oceania Micronesia
        Saudi Arabia 0.8 234 Asia Western Asia
        United Arab Emirates 0.8 39 Asia Western Asia
        Czech Republic 0.8 83 Europe Eastern Europe
        Spain 0.8 390 Europe Southern Europe
        Germany 0.8 690 Europe Western Europe
        Luxembourg 0.8 4 Europe Western Europe
        Macau 0.7 4 Asia Eastern Asia
        Oman 0.7 18 Asia Western Asia
        Slovenia 0.7 15 Europe Southern Europe
        Switzerland 0.7 52 Europe Western Europe
        Bahrain 0.6 6 Asia Western Asia
        Austria 0.6 56 Europe Western Europe
        Guam 0.6 1 Oceania Micronesia
        Brunei 0.5 2 Asia South-Eastern Asia
        French Polynesia 0.4 1 Oceania Polynesia
        Japan 0.3 442 Asia Eastern Asia
        Singapore 0.3 16 Asia South-Eastern Asia
        Iceland 0.3 1 Europe Northern Europe
        Hong Kong 0.2 17 Asia Eastern Asia
        Monaco 0.0 0 Europe Western Europe
        Palau 0.0 0 Oceania Micronesia

        List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
        Maybe you should consider moving to Monaco or Palau!

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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    Murder rates are pretty darn low in the US right now, historically speaking that is. Some of you folks that are in an state of uproar over guns may want to take a close look at these numbers.



    As the homicide rate has been dropping since the 1980's the number of incarcerations has gone way, way up.



    Direct correlation???

    Regards,

    -don
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