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I'm such a sucker for these types of stories...

  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Guess we're comrads in suckerdom. Love these stories, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Another sucker here. This is literally where the expression
    "Who got your goat today?" comes from - except in reverse.
    Goats were/are used as companion animals for horses and horses
    get quite upset when their goat is missing.
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    I am a sucker too...nice story. Here are a few of the younger members of my family feeding the goats back in the day. Ya' gotta love those faces.


    Cheers

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    Odd the relationships animals can have. I wonder if they CAN communicate with one another.

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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Odd the relationships animals can have.
      Steve
      I proably would have chosen words like "cool" and "interesting", rather than "odd".

      I wonder if they CAN communicate with one another.
      We do know they can communicate using scent and chemicals such as adrenaline, urine, pheromones, etc.

      They are also very good at reading "body language" and can tell if another animal is agressive, etc. The baring of teeth is pretty much a universal communication of "you better watch out!".
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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Odd the relationships animals can have. I wonder if they CAN communicate with one another.

      Steve
      Sure they can...

      Lana, Warshoe and Coco communicated with humans...

      Animal Communication - Cognitive Psychology - Psychologist World

      Dolphins are known communicators..

      How do dolphins communicate?

      And even African Cichlids (fish) can communicate acoustically...

      The African cichlid fish Astatotilapia burtoni uses... [PLoS One. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

      I have bred 17 different species of African Cichlids and a brief overview can be found here...

      African Cichlids, Fish information and cichlid care, for Lake Malawi Cichlids, Lake Tanganyika Cichlids, Lake Victoria, West African Cichlids, and Dwarf Cichlids.

      This was one of my prime species --> metallic like a killer sports car with fine paint. These guys communicate with movements, color and behavior...and they can be fierce and forceful to anyone that does not "listen up".


      Here is an interesting paper on visual communication among East African cichlids ---> but fair warning it's quite deep. If you are an owner African cichlids you probably are quite familiar with color changes when breeding, when frightened etc, etc.

      http://hcgs.unh.edu/Staff/Carleton/p...hlidVision.pdf

      Cheers!

      -don
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        Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

        Sure they can...

        Lana, Warshoe and Coco communicated with humans...

        Animal Communication - Cognitive Psychology - Psychologist World

        Dolphins are known communicators..

        How do dolphins communicate?

        And even African Cichlids (fish) can communicate acoustically...

        The African cichlid fish Astatotilapia burtoni uses... [PLoS One. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

        I have bred 17 different species of African Cichlids and a brief overview can be found here.

        African Cichlids, Fish information and cichlid care, for Lake Malawi Cichlids, Lake Tanganyika Cichlids, Lake Victoria, West African Cichlids, and Dwarf Cichlids.

        This was one of my prime species --> metallic like a killer sports car with fine paint. These guys communicate with movements and behaviours...and they are fierce and forcefully to anyone that does not "listen up".



        Cheers!

        -don
        Hi Don,

        I assumed seasoned meant "intra-species" communication?
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Hi Don,

          I assumed seasoned meant "intra-species" communication?
          Well, more inter species, as in between different species! OK, maybe some might take ODD as insulting or whatever. HEY, I think it is cute that they are so close. It is NICE! I recently watched a video. MAYBE it was here. If so, SORRY. It was about a lion befriending an animal like a deer. The lion protected it. And it seemed to be caring JUST for that animal.

          YEAH, I KNOW that elephants communicate with one another. Dolphins do ALSO. Dogs do. etc... But inter species is another thing entirely.

          Is this just the appreciation, like what we may have for a dog or cat or whatever? We can get the gist of actions and react, but that is about it. Is it actual give and take communicative friendship like we may have with other humans? Cases where we can relate personal experiences, etc....

          Steve
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            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            Well, more inter species, as in between different species!

            Steve
            Sure...dogs tell us when it's time to feed them, cat's tell us when it's time let them out, and cats tell dogs to get the heck out of my face with a a hiss or a quick swipe of the paw.

            The dolphin article I reffered states...

            all life on this planet is able to communicate, both with other individuals of the same species, and with individuals of different species.
            ...and I think it's true.

            In the fish world I have seen many varieties of Pseudotropheus (African Ciclid) communicate with Plecos (catfish) 20 times their size...at least in the sense of the Pseudotropheus telling the catfish to "get the heck out of my area".

            I do think animals of different species do form bonds and can communicate with each other in some ways, at some level for sure.

            Cheers

            -don
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        • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          I assumed seasoned meant "intra-species" communication?
          Hi Kurt,

          If a gorillas, apes, and chimps can communicate with man...obviously they can communicate with each other.

          How do gorillas communicate?

          The dolphin article talks about all kinds of communication, including intra-species.

          How do dolphins communicate?

          The cichlid acoustical communication story I linked was talking about intra-species communication.

          The cichlids I breed was also a reference to intra and inter communication. Cichlids use many different behaviors and color changes to communicate with rivals, with potential mates, for feeding grounds, etc. etc. Sure they communicate outside the genera too...but they communicate best with their own kind.

          The complicated cichlid color communication paper was also referencing inter and intra communication.

          That dolphin article said it best....

          Animals too rely on structured communication systems to help transmit information. In fact, the ability to communicate information is ubiquitous in the animal kingdom : all life on this planet is able to communicate, both with other individuals of the same species, and with individuals of different species
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    How about some cat and dolphin communication...

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      How about some cat and dolphin communication...

      Cat and Dolphins playing together - YouTube
      It left out the part when Flipper says, "Hmmmm...tastes like chicken."
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      How about some cat and dolphin communication...

      Cat and Dolphins playing together - YouTube
      That looks like a dolphin playing with a cat much like WE would. And the cat is reacting the same way it would with humans. Yet I know **I** can't communicate with a cat.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        That looks like a dolphin playing with a cat much like WE would. And the cat is reacting the same way it would with humans. Yet I know **I** can't communicate with a cat.

        Steve
        Actually, you can communicate with cats, they are just not
        responding because they are... cats.


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        I get a kick out of dogs that seem to smile a greeting to people
        and a lot of people think the dog is baring its teeth in a threatening
        manner.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

          Actually, you can communicate with cats, they are just not
          responding because they are... cats.
          If you say so. How do I find out its name? yeah, I know I may have trouble pronouncing it.


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            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            If you say so. How do I find out its name? yeah, I know I may have trouble pronouncing it.


            Steve
            That's for someone of Shane's pay grade.
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    That goat had a lot of spunk left in him for an animal that hand't eaten for 6 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    ALL fauna can communicate at some level - it's instinctual and necessary for survival. A lot of species inhabit the same ecosystems, so they have to be able to communicate with other species. Put them in a circumstance where they will live together, such as this goat and horse in the OP, and they will learn to understand each other rather in-depth.

    Communication is limited more by physical attributes than mental ones. You can teach a mouse or a dog a word - and they will know what it means, but will never be able to say it back to you because their vocal chords won't allow them to form the phonetics. That's the most limiting aspect of inter-species communication.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Just loved that video. So glad they reunited them.
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