Drone Pilot assaulted at Hammonasset Beach, CT by an onlooker (videos inside)

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It looks like a member of the public have gone too far. A drone pilot was assaulted by a woman who thought he was filming women in bikinis at the beach. Incidents of this kind are going to increase though. It is reported that a crowd fund has been established by drone users to prosecute her.


This is a video of his flight in question


This is a what the drone pilot wrote about the incident

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2166845

I went to a nearby beach that is a whopping 2 miles long, set up, talked to some people that were curious what my "thing" was, demonstrated the loiter feature (pulling the quad to one direction or another), demonstrated rtl (flying it away then having it return), and make a lot of people think the quad was just awesome. I never went below 50 feet save for take off/landing, then after the end of my last flight, some crazy lady came over and started taking pictures of me...and dialed 911 for the 3rd time in 15 minutes...she said something to the effect of, "There's a guy here taking pictures at the beach with a helicopter plane." (I distinctly remember her saying, "with a helicopter plane," because that just sounds hilarious.) They basically said that they'd send someone when one gets free during each of the 3 calls she made, she decided they didn't care enough about someone obeying the law so when no one was around she assaulted me and she decided to stop when she got a phone call. I called the police to report the assault, and boy was the response big...10 or more vehicles arrived (cops, DEEP, and an ambulance)...They first listened to her story of lies (she claimed I was taking close ups of people in bikinis, and that she had asked me to stop flying before calling the police, and that I was the one that assaulted her, and and and). The police approached me very aggressively, believing her full story, and before anything else was said I brought up something that she missed... The fact that the cell phone in my hand has a camera...that was recording. I had video evidence that she went nuts completely unprovoked, and was the one that assaulted me. She was then charged with assault, and breach of peace and I gave the cops a copy of the video for their prosecution. I then also showed them my last flight where you can make out her colorful shirt getting up from the beach then following it until it lands which proved that she lied when claiming that she asked me to stop flying before calling the police.
At the end of it all, one of the officers said to me basically, "Flying that thing the way you were is fine, you're not in any trouble. You can come back and fly, but just be aware that some people can be alarmed."

Just a funny thing to add, last time I was there, a British guy had come up to me and said he thought it was a giant mosquito near him. He said that he first saw snake on a hike here in the States as they don't have them in the UK, and thought giant mosquitoes were another animal they didn't have.

Also sorry for an spelling or grammar mistakes and any totally illogical words, I typed this on a phone.
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I didn't see an assault - and I think people running the drones with cameras are going to face increasing amounts of resistance from the public.

    Looked to me like the man was trying to remove his equipment before cops arrived and she was stopping him. Screaming "she's assaulting me" doesn't make it true.

    I know it's fun to fly those planes - I had a ball with one a while back. But there will be people who don't want to be bothered or get upset if they believe there is surveillance or cameras.
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    • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I didn't see an assault - and I think people running the drones with cameras are going to face increasing amounts of resistance from the public.

      Looked to me like the man was trying to remove his equipment before cops arrived and she was stopping him. Screaming "she's assaulting me" doesn't make it true.

      I know it's fun to fly those planes - I had a ball with one a while back. But there will be people who don't want to be bothered or get upset if they believe there is surveillance or cameras.
      Are you serious, Kay? #1, restraining someone forcibly is assault, you don't have to strike them although it sounds as if that happened too. #2, you can clearly see she has hold of and has maybe torn his shirt.

      This is not to say I agree with the kid. Flying these things where people are around is incredibly stupid. No responsible modeller would do it.

      This was a kid. If he were a grownup, I seriously doubt this woman would have done what she did.

      Edit: it's not against the law to be a super-wuss, but attacking a super-wuss is
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I couldn't see it clearly and that was my point.

        In the early part it shows her stopping him from removing the items while she is calling police. Then it shows her removing her hand - then it shows him trying to gather up the stuff. Then he screams "You are assaulting me" - and that's odd. You might say "stop" or "what are you doing" or "give me that" but it sounds staged to me as he knows he's being recorded.

        Not defending her as I think she was wrong to touch his stuff or accost him. Think both could use a bit of grow up time.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I didn't see an assault - and I think people running the drones with cameras are going to face increasing amounts of resistance from the public.

      Looked to me like the man was trying to remove his equipment before cops arrived and she was stopping him. Screaming "she's assaulting me" doesn't make it true.

      I know it's fun to fly those planes - I had a ball with one a while back. But there will be people who don't want to be bothered or get upset if they believe there is surveillance or cameras.
      She pinned him to the ground, and threatened to 'beat his ass,' all on tape. That alone is assault by legal definition.

      As of right now, she has been charged with assault, and barring a plea bargain, faces up to one and one half years in jail (there are two charges involved, and it depends on how the judge decides she should serve the sentences...consecutively or concurrently) not to mention one of the (the assault) is a felony charge that will bear wonderful gifts for the rest of her life.

      Here's a nice write up on it courtesy of Forbes magazine.

      People need to get a grip. First off, once you exit the front of your home, you have no expectations of privacy. Second off, unless local ordnances forbid it, it's perfectly legal. Lastly, the cameras most people use are your garden variety cell phone tech that can't do much beyond a panoramic view, in fact if you look at the video he took, you can't make out any of the people in it.

      Trust me, this woman is going to get schooled the hard way.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        In this case - I don't think either person was playing with a full deck.

        Teenager Attacked Over Drone, Launches Then Cancels Indiegogo Campaign - Forbes

        Interesting especially at the end of that article.
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          In this case - I don't think either person was playing with a full deck.

          Teenager Attacked Over Drone, Launches Then Cancels Indiegogo Campaign - Forbes

          Interesting especially at the end of that article.
          Why does he need money? Aren't there lawyers in his town that work for a percentage of the winnings?

          That video should be enough for a few thousand IMHO.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Being that I can't close the campaign, should any funds be donated after this, they will be used toward a lawsuit for a life altering and quite egregious event that occurred in my life recently. I will elaborate on this event in a campaign that I will soon be posting.
            This kid is 17 - and I don't think I'd like him if I met him in person. I wouldn't like her, either....but this kid's good at playing victim for someone so young.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think her problem is the idea of someone filming you and putting that film online...and your companions and your kids....when you are spending the day enjoying a public beach outing.

      What will happen is public beaches, parks and playgrouns will begin banning remote planes and drones from flying in the area. There are already movements in several towns to prohibit remote control flights over public areas.

      Drones Banned at Yosemite, Park Service Says | NBC Bay Area

      I think the man in this story thinks he has all the answers - I'm not sure a court will agree with him. She was over the top - but he appears to be a super wuss.


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    The lady was clearly way out of line and charging her was the right thing to do. In-fact it appears as if she may have a few anger issues and maybe seeing a doctor would be the right thing for her to do. Obviously the lady needs to get over herself, and maybe she should stay out of public places until she gets a clue. Stay off of the public beaches if you don't want your picture taken on a public beach.





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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    If you're on a public beach in the United States, then you have no reasonable expectation of privacy. When you are on public property, you can take images of anything that is there (minus of course - up a skirt, or in a public restroom). It's a right that is protected under our 1st amendment.

    Kind of silly to go to a public place, put on clothes that are usually smaller than your undergarments, and then expect people not to look at you.

    Plus did you see the video he shot? There's no ogling going on there, the people look like tiny bugs.

    It's best to know the law before you try and detain someone. And even then, it's not always smart to detain someone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    The fact that they charged the "lady" lends credibility to the guys story. There's going to have to be regulations regarding these drones though. Flying them over private property shouldn't be allowed, and unless he owned that house, that's what he did.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I did watch it and you're right - you couldn't see who the people were.

      Noisy little sucker, though, isn't it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        I seen a pair of kids.

        I liked the "drone" video though, even if the dictionary definition of it has been extended to accommodate for what is quite clearly a toy helicopter but tech talk has always been amusing...
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    That woman is a citizen hero. "See something, say something" is the responsibility of everyone. That evil man probably had a yellow ribbon sticker on the back of his car somewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I wonder if there is a back story to that incident that we don't know about. Could images of that women have already appeared online without her consent? People are becoming wiser to how drones can be used to surreptitiously film them in private moments of their lives. More and more young women know that their personal time spent on the beach in a bikini or topless could end up being publicly broadcast images captured by drones. This incident highlights a number of issues, so I'll be sure to invest a little extra money to get drones that look like birds or insects from a distance, so I can film them in peace without getting assaulted.


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      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      I wonder if there is a back story to that incident that we don't know about. Could images of that women have already appeared online without her consent?
      No consent is needed in the US if she was photographed on a public beach as long as the photos are/were used properly.





      Same thing goes for peeps on public streets.



      Same thing goes for peeps at most public events.



      Etc. etc. etc...



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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    A personal drone is basically a radio controlled aircraft that has some autopiloting ability. For example, it can be made to hover in a particular position, and also return home at the push of a button. With FPV (first person view) equipment, it may be flown way out of sight of the operator. This is actually the law in the US. At present, you cannot use a drone for commercial purposes. However, this is likely to be relaxed soon for commercial photography and agricultural use.

    The prices of personal drones have now hit the $300 mark. So "a drone in every home" is becoming a real possibility. There is no doubt that we are in the midst of a huge explosion. Obviously, privacy is a very serious issue with personal drones. However, the personal drone community is much more worried about safety. The present technology is definitely not safe or reliable. Many users have experienced "fly-aways" or dropping out of the sky suddenly. There are also a minority of idiotic users who fly their drones to a height of 1000 to 3000 ft or fly them in a very dangerous manner.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      At present, you cannot use a drone for commercial purposes. However, this is likely to be relaxed soon for commercial photography and agricultural use.
      There was another thread here a while ago that touched on this.
      I believe it was about a contractor using a drone to take photos of large construction jobs he was working on.
      I mentioned then about when I worked for a landscape company who's owner had a friend with a pilots license and small plane.
      Sometimes he would fly over large properties we where bidding work on and take aerial photos for us.

      I know the technology has advanced, but aren't drones really just pretty much like the old radio controlled model planes?
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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post


        I know the technology has advanced, but aren't drones really just pretty much like the old radio controlled model planes?
        The new technology can be used in any radio control planes or helicopters. However, it is much more suited to multi-rotor aircraft (4 to 8 rotors) because they are much more stable, especially for photography.

        I think one of the biggest commercial users will be real estate agents.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          The new technology can be used in any radio control planes or helicopters. However, it is much more suited to multi-rotor aircraft (4 to 8 rotors) because they are much more stable, especially for photography.

          I think one of the biggest commercial users will be real estate agents.
          I know using aerial photos for large landscape projects was a god send.
          My bosses friend took photos of all sorts of things for people.
          Aerial photos of different types of businesses that they used for advertising, real estate for agents. He didn't do it full time as it was his hobby, but he made enough to support his flying.
          The only problem I have with drones is when they are used for killing and spying on citizens.
          Other then that I can see where they would be a fun hobby. I think we will see more and more practical uses for them as time goes on.
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          • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
            I do not want to see the personal drone with camera for fun thing overdone. It's bad enough that there are cameras everywhere at traffic intersections and some of the larger burgs.

            I'm just waiting to find someone with the knowledge from a security camera that I was yet again at Sam's Club and last month we had the large package of toilet paper and paper towels in the car and consider it suspicious. Good grief!

            If there are too many drones, they are going to start crashing into each other. If this is done in a public area like over the beach or a city sidewalk, are the operators insured if their drone crashes and hurts someone?

            I can honestly see where people get upset at yet more surveillance on a public beach where you can't seem to get away from security cameras and just kick back and relax--even if it is a public beach. Sometimes enough is just enough already. Those people photographed by camera might look small, but I'm sure there's no problem in enlarging the photos for more detail.

            Now you can bet that yet more laws will be enacted and insurance required just to get a license for business use or a hobby. What used to be innocent fun or useful will be heavily regulated.
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              Originally Posted by AprilCT View Post

              If there are too many drones, they are going to start crashing into each other. If this is done in a public area like over the beach or a city sidewalk, are the operators insured if their drone crashes and hurts someone?


              So should we make sure all of the people throwing footballs and frisbees on the beach are properly insured as well? Next time I am at my local park I will be sure ask the 10 year old kid flying his kite to show me his proof of insurance just in-case his kite comes down and takes my eye out.

              Let's not get too carried away...

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              • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
                Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

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                ...Let's not get too carried away...

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                Exactly, Don, let's not get too carried away here. A drone is nothing like a football, frisbee or kite and weighs more if it or the one it crashes with both fall from a height and hits someone.
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                  Originally Posted by AprilCT View Post

                  Exactly, Don, let's not get too carried away here. A drone is nothing like a football, frisbee or kite and weighs more if it or the one it crashes with both fall from a height and hits someone.
                  And how many "drone" crashes have you seen? How many drone operators do you know? How many drone crashes have you seen that have injured people in public places? That's what I thought...

                  But you know what? Many times I have had to avoid drunk a$$ brutes chasing frisbees and footballs on the beach. So do you think a three year old kid with his mom at the beach has a greater of a chance of getting sand kicked in their eyes or being stepped on by a drunk or out of control beach goer having fun? How about smashed in the face with an errant football toss? Or do you think the chances are greater that the same three year old with their mom will be injured in a drone crash?

                  Again, that's what I thought...

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                  • Profile picture of the author garyv
                    Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                    And how many "drone" crashes have you seen? How many drone operators do you know? How many drone crashes have you seen that have injured people in public places? That's what I thought...
                    There have been several lately - you can look them up on youtube. One guy actually killed himself with his remote helicopter last year.

                    But thankfully the newer camera drones are getting much lighter, and come equipped with optional blade guards. As the drones and the cameras become lighter w/ new technology, then like you said, it probably won't be much more dangerous than getting hit by a Frisbee.


                    edit - also some of the newer drones have an auto-home feature. Meaning they can fly themselves back using GPS if they fly out of range of the remote, or if the remote loses power.
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                      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                      There have been several lately - you can look them up on youtube. One guy actually killed himself with his remote helicopter last year.
                      Thanks Gary, but I had asked how many drone crashes she had seen personally. I also asked how many drone operators she knew personally. And I had asked if she had known anyone that has been injured in a drone crash. I did not ask if you could find some crashes across the world or on Youtube that injured the operator or non-operators. I know some accidents have occurred, and have already read about and seen some of those reports.

                      In-fact I used to own a cheap RC plane and some fast RC cars and I am quite certain that those cars were fast and heavy enough to break an old ladies ankle if I was driving them recklessly enough. Lucky for me, I never ran into a ban of RC cars at my local playground...and no, I never broke any ankles either. While I was a terrible with my RC plane I can remember going to the park with my dad on many Saturday mornings to watch the best racers in town race those planes into the ground...some of those pilots and planes were awesome!

                      The chance of getting hit by and injured seriously by an RC Chopper on a public beach is so low it's probably almost incalculable. Since we are talking about supposed danger on a beach, and it seesm some here are worried about safety, let us take that notion one step further.

                      People drown quite frequently... Do you think swimming pools are a bit more dangerous than the chance of being hit by an RC Helicopter at a public beach? Check out these Florida statistics ...

                      Every year, about 300 toddlers drown in residential swimming pools; overall, more than 800 children ages 14 and under die from drowning, and more than 4,000 go to the emergency room after near-drowning incidents.
                      How about banning swimming pools?

                      Since 1980, more than 230 children ages 4 and under have drowned in spas and hot tubs.
                      How about banning hot tubs and spas?

                      Since 1984, more than 327 children, 89 percent between the ages of 7 months and 15 months, have drowned in buckets containing water or other liquids used for mopping floors and other household chores. It is estimated that 30 children drown annually in buckets.

                      Miami Drowning Accident Lawyer :: Accidental Drowning Statistics :: Tampa, Florida Pool Drowning Attorney
                      Maybe we should ban buckets of water?

                      How many drownings in the US occur each year you may ask?

                      In 2004, there were 3,308 unintentional drownings in the United States, an average of nine people per day.(CDC 2006)

                      Drowning statistics - Drowning facts
                      A reality check tells me that the chances of being seriously injured by someone flying a RC Helicopter at the beach are veeeerrrrrry looooooong.

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          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          I think one of the biggest commercial users will be real estate agents.
          Well in the US it will be when the FAA (and others) unequivocally allow commercial use in many areas, including (if allowed) densely populated areas. We are gonna need to see what shakes out with the FAA regulations and privacy legislation in the future.


          FAA Grounds Local Aerial Photo Business

          Business was booming, until a call came from the Minneapolis office of the Federal Aviation Administration. They were simply told to ground their commercial use of the aircraft. Turns out, current regulations don’t allow unmanned aircraft for commercial purposes.

          FAA Grounds Local Aerial Photo Business « CBS Minnesota
          Here is one of the guys giving testimony trying to keep some types of this aerial commercial photography from becoming a felony in Minnesota. In particular, they oppose the current consent from all parties section of HF 1620.

          Charles Eide is pictured below giving testimony in opposition to the proposed bill that would make taking any photos using unmanned aerial vehicles without written consent from all parties a felony.

          http://flyboysair.com/tag/michael-danielson/
          Check out the footage of these same guys flying inside the Minnesota Vikings draft party....which was a slightly populated area.

          http://vimeo.com/95774665

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          By the way, that Pirker link in the near miss article you posted is a good one as of one the articles I had linked above referred to the Pirker case. That ruling was huge.

          The judge has dismissed a proposed $10,000 fine against businessman Raphael Pirker, who used a remotely operated 56-inch foam glider to take aerial video for an advertisement for the University of Virginia Medical Center.
          The FAA alleged that since Pirker was using the aircraft for profit, he ran afoul of regulations requiring commercial operators of "Unmanned Aircraft Systems" -- sometimes called UAS or drones -- to obtain FAA authorization.
          But a judge on Thursday agreed with Pirker that the FAA overreached by applying regulations for aircraft to model aircraft, and said no FAA rule prohibited Pirker's radio-controlled flight.

          http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/06/us...ilot-case-faa/
          Which could be considered huge breaking news for many peeps in the commercial use of drones biz.

          For the moment, commercial drones are, unequivocally, legal in American skies after a federal judge has ruled that the Federal Aviation Administration has not made any legally binding rules against it.

          Geraghty agreed: The FAA “has not issued an enforceable Federal Acquisition Regulation regulatory rule governing model aircraft operation; has historically exempted model aircraft from the statutory FAR definitions of ‘aircraft’ by relegating model aircraft operations to voluntary compliance with the guidance expressed in [the 2007 policy notice], Respondent’s model aircraft operation was not subject to FAR regulation and enforcement.”

          http://motherboard.vice.com/read/com...al-judge-ruled
          So for now, Rafael Pirker is the KING or the GODFATHER of commercial drone pilots (model aircraft), or whatever else you want to call him.

          This was the video that drew the fine...don't try this at home, folks.


          Read more on the ramifications of the ruling...and of course the FAA is appealing.

          That doesn’t mean that all commercial drones are going to be legal forever. The FAA clearly still wants to have some sort of rules governing this—the administration wouldn’t have spent all this time making test sites around the country and going to Congressional hearings if that were the case. They’ve even tabled a long-overdue official small drone rule until at least November, because they don’t know what to do with them.

          For the moment, you can probably assume that beer delivery drones, tacocopters, aerial photography and anything else that uses a small drone is legal. Airplane-sized drones, on the other hand, probably are not “models,” so those are probably still illegal to fly commercially.

          You might see a new crop of small businesses using drones, but don’t hold your breath for Amazon drones or UPS drones or anything of that nature right away. The FAA is still very much not into the idea of anyone flying drones commercially without their express permission, so you (probably) aren’t going to see major corporations defying them.

          http://motherboard.vice.com/read/com...ized-heres-why
          Wall Street Journal

          The Drone That Shot Down the Feds

          How a 29-year-old Austrian buzzed the Statue of Liberty, built a business, and beat U.S. regulators in court.

          Jeff Bezos at Amazon hasn't done it. Nor has Fred Smith at FedEx FDX +0.76% or Scott Davis at UPS. No American CEO has persuaded Washington to relax its chokehold on commercial drone use in the United States. But this month a 29-year-old Austrian entrepreneur living here in Asia broke Washington's drone monopoly, winning a court case that may clear the way for drones to deliver packages to your doorstep.

          http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...53120221666910
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    Action has already been taken on all fronts in LA County.

    If you’ve ever tossed the pigskin around at a Los Angeles County beach, you’ve probably broken the law.

    Now, according to an overhaul of the rules governing the sand, beachgoers will only be allowed to pass a football or throw a Frisbee freely during the cold off-season, with a few exceptions.

    The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors gave final approval to the ordinance Tuesday. Its main thrust was to clarify the responsibilities of the fire chief and other public agencies, but it also refined old rules and restrictions like “Ball-playing” and “Nudity and disrobing.”

    Under the old rules, there was a general prohibition against kicking, throwing or tossing any light objects on the beach other than inflated rubber balls larger than 10 inches in diameter.

    The new ordinance allows beach balls and volleyballs while ruling out the rest, except if there is a designated area, the beachgoer has obtained a permit, it’s a water polo ball being used in the water, or if a person gets permission from the fire chief or an ocean lifeguard to play with any other object in the water.

    But during the off-season, between Labor Day and Memorial Day, the ball-playing restrictions take a break.

    The rules are in place so that during a busy, crowded summer beach day, no one is put at risk by a spontaneous football game,” said L.A. County spokeswoman Carol Baker, who added that the ordinance had not been updated since the 1980s and now allows authorities to better enforce permitting rules.

    Some criticized the action, saying the new rules will dissuade residents from using the beach.

    “The County’s Beach ordinance is all punitive, restrictive and increases fines regarding our public beaches,” said Jon Nahhas of Playa del Rey, referring to the increase of some fines from $500 to $1,000.

    Ball playing, Frisbee tossing now allowed on L.A. County beaches | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    A later clarification...and note a ban on model aircraft is also in place on LA County beaches.

    Correction: A previous version of this article stated that the fine for violating regulations relating to flying objects was $1,000. In reality, the fine is $100, $200 or $500, depending on the number of offenses. We regret the error.

    Beachgoers in Los Angeles County who want to play a pickup game of Frisbee, sand soccer, beach Quidditch or flag football between Memorial Day and Labor Day will have to do so in designated areas or with a lifeguard's permission.
    In addition to the new regulations regarding Frisbees and balls on the beach, the amended ordinance addresses model aircraft. Beachgoers should forget about bringing their model airplanes, boats, helicopters or similar craft. According to the new rules, "no person shall operate (these objects) in, on or over any beach or the Pacific Ocean."

    http://file.lacounty.gov/bos/supdocs/65848.pdf
    I believe this is how it should be handled...let the individual controlling entities decide on what is allowed and what is not allowed.

    The ordinance...

    http://file.lacounty.gov/bos/supdocs/65848.pdf

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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    How about Rio beaches you ask? Yeah, the "unthinkable" has been done...

    Hundreds of police are being drafted in to enforce a ban on ball games by the edge of the sea as part of a concerted campaign to make the chaotic and often lawless city a more liveable place during the South American summer.
    However, it appears that Brazillians may not be as skilful with the ball as common belief suggests. Authorities say the ban is necessary because women and children are often struck by stray balls and that bathers have to run the gauntlet while walking to the sea.
    "I've been hit many times," said Ines Lins e Silva, a supporter of the ban. "It's very sore, the frescoball is hard rubber. These games should be played in an area away from other bathers."

    Brazil bans football from Rio's beaches - Telegraph
    Don't fret too much though...you could still play Frisbee on Clearwater Beach when I was last there as evidenced by this photo.



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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    No I agree ForumGuru - it's really not that dangerous. And new technology is constantly making these things more stable and easy to fly. There are much more dangerous activities happening at the beach and other public places.
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    Finding clear and concise stats on serious RC Heli injuries is difficult. Here is a guy trying to do some extremely crude calculations back in 2012 on how dangerous the sport/hobby is. His caculation is based upon research (and estimates) that the OP had done.

    http://www.helifreak.com/showpost.ph...8&postcount=26

    I believe the OP's estimate on the number of flights is probably low, and the estimate of flights seen in a lifetime is just that, an estimate. That said, it's possible that the sport/hobby is safer than what has been calculated.

    I know their have been more injuries and a few deaths since 2012. One guy basically decapitated himself, and another incident was the tragic death of 18 month old girl at a 10PM remote control helicopter show in Seremban.

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I think the most worrying aspect of personal drones is how they could interfere with air traffic especially airliners. This is a report of a near-miss in Florida. In that case, the drone appeared to a be camouflaged scale jet plane. The operator was probably using advanced FPV equipment to pilot it way out of his sight. This setup would have costed many thousands of dollars.

    FAA official: Drone, jetliner nearly collided over Florida - CNN.com
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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      I think the most worrying aspect of personal drones is how they could interfere with air traffic especially airliners. This is a report of a near-miss in Florida. In that case, the drone appeared to a be camouflaged scale jet plane. The operator was probably using advanced FPV equipment to pilot it way out of his sight. This setup would have costed many thousands of dollars.

      FAA official: Drone, jetliner nearly collided over Florida - CNN.com
      We shall see what happens in 2015 and beyond.

      Supposedly we will see a full integration of unmanned aircraft into the national airspace and new standards for pilots, registration, licensing, and onboard sensory and collision-avoidance technology. Of course hobbiest users are already supposed to be staying away from airports, air traffic, populated areas, only fly up to 400 feet off the ground etc. etc. as well per FAA Advisory Circular 91-57.

      Some may find the related articles below interesting.

      The 2012 law, called the FAA Modernization and Reform Act, contains a seven-page provision – known as the Drone Act – requiring the FAA to fully integrate unmanned aircraft into the National Airspace System by September 2015. Additionally, the Drone Act allows law enforcement agencies, including local police forces, to buy and use unmanned aircraft for evidence gathering and surveillance.

      Leonard Montgomery, a police captain in North Little Rock, Ark., said his department hopes to use its drones for surveillance of high-crime neighborhoods during drug investigations and other police work.

      “Mobile drones will be able to quickly move to get a better perspective,” he said. “They’re both faster and more flexible than any other forms of surveillance.”

      The department has one unmanned aircraft now, an SR30 helicopter-type drone that can only be flown over unpopulated areas while it awaits FAA rules for use over the more populated cities.

      “They will only be used in public areas where people have no expectation of privacy,” Montgomery said. “We’re not flying at low levels looking into your bedroom windows.

      WASHINGTON: Uncertainties remain as FAA integrates drones into American skies | Washington | McClatchy DC
      Flying model aircraft solely for hobby or recreational reasons does not require FAA approval. However, hobbyists are advised to operate their aircraft in accordance with the agency's model aircraft guidelines (see Advisory Circular 91-57). In the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 (Public Law 112-95, Sec 336), Congress exempted model aircraft from new rules or regulations provided the aircraft are operated "in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization."

      Busting Myths about the FAA and Unmanned Aircraft

      For regulatory purposes, the FAA splits the domestic drone market into three distinct categories: civil, public, and recreational. The civil side consists primarily of commercial drones flown for profit, which have never been flown legally in the United States, and five experimental certificates granted by the FAA for research and training. Doing business with drones will remain officially banned until at least 2015, when the FAA is supposed to issue new standards for pilots, registration, licensing, and onboard sensory and collision-avoidance technology.

      As for those who fly drones purely for fun, they are subject to FAA hobbyist rules that were originally developed as voluntary guidelines for model airplane enthusiasts back in 1981. The regulations cover all model aircraft that are not flown for profit. According to FAA Advisory Circular 91-57, recreational drones are supposed to operate within 400 feet of the ground, remain within sight of their operators at all times, and steer clear of airports, other air traffic, and populated areas. But, as Pirker's videos clearly show, these restrictions aren't always adhered to.

      Pirker maintains that the FAA's rules are merely "advisory," and that they lack the force of law so long as operators fly in what he describes as a "safe manner." But, of course, the FAA doesn't see it that way, and in June the agency issued a $10,000 fine against Pirker for various regulation infringements, including operating a drone, or unmanned aircraft system (UAS), "in a careless or reckless manner, so as to endanger the life or property of another." Pirker says he cannot afford, nor will he pay, the fine, and he continues to deny wrongdoing.

      Eyes in the Sky
      Drones are pretty cool. (Don’t believe me? Just ask Martha Stewart.) Not only can they snap a selfie, deliver packages and walk a dogs, but they also have the power to dramatically change the way companies across a variety of different industries do business.

      We're starting to see this play out across the globe. In Australia, drones drop off students' textbooks, in Japan they spray crops, and in the U.K. they shoot real-estate videos. And in the U.S.? Unfortunately, we are severely lagging behind in drone world. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has issued a blanket ban on the commercial use of drones until it issues a comprehensive list of rules on operating the vehicles. (While those proposed rules are expected sometime this year, they probably won't go into effect until 2015, at the earliest.)

      This plodding regulatory process has companies and "drone advocates" frustrated: They want drones and they want them now.

      It appears the FAA is finally cracking. On Monday, the agency announced that it is considering exempting seven small companies in the television/film industry from the ban.

      FAA is Considering Lifting Drone Ban for Hollywood | Entrepreneur.com
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    By the way, if you think you can confidently take a pot shot against a drone, think again!


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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      By the way, if you think you can confidently take a pot shot against a drone, think again!

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbIN4LF5stU

      The Best Helicopter Pilot v.s. The Best Sniper, who will win!? - YouTube
      Why risk getting arrested when you can mess those things up just fine with laser?
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      By the way, if you think you can confidently take a pot shot against a drone, think again!
      I'm an excellent shot and will be using something perfect for the task. I'll take my chances and the drone will have to do the same. Additionally, I'm quite certain that most drone operators in my area are on their best behavior as they fully expect to lose their drone if they invade anyone's privacy.

      Should worse come to worse, I'll risk jail. There isn't a prosecutor in the county that would attempt to jail me based upon my age, physical health, psychological profile, my stature in the community and overcrowding in our local jails. The worst that would happen is I would be made to make restitution. I'll walk out of the courtroom agreeing to pay $25 a month until the depreciated value has been repaid.

      Should another drone invade my property, we can start the process all over again. I've got nothing but time and an unlimited supply of shotgun shells.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Why risk getting arrested when you can mess those things up just fine with laser?
        Because it's more fun to shoot them. Sort of like slow moving skeet.
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  • Profile picture of the author blindapeseo
    From 1:08 on, you can definitely see assault taking place (and props to the kid for not hitting back)

    She ripped his shirt, she forces her fingers into his mouth and pulls his cheek from inside, she also tries hitting him.

    Quadcopter Pilot Assaulted at Hammonasset Beach (Warning: Strong Language) - YouTube
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    You've got to seriously question the lack of intelligence of someone that calls the police then decides to beat the suspect up.

    'Thick as shit' is more on par with my usual way of describing someone like that.

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    Just a funny thing to add, last time I was there, a British guy had come up to me and said he thought it was a giant mosquito near him. He said that he first saw snake on a hike here in the States as they don't have them in the UK, and thought giant mosquitoes were another animal they didn't have.
    Mind you, the Brit that thought it was a giant mozzie, well I'm rather hoping he lost his passport and remains across the pond. For the record we have plenty of snakes (not many admittedly but he can't be very bright if he thought we didn't have any) and mosquitoes though not ones the size of drone.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
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      Someone has to ask.How many intentional drownings were there?
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Someone has to ask.How many intentional drownings were there?
        US Suicide drownings in 2001...

        Number %Per 100,000 % of Total
        Firearms..................16,869........5.9....... ..55.1
        All Other Methods.........13,753........4.8.........49.9
        Hanging or Suffocation.....6,198........2.2.........20.2
        Poisoning..................5,191........1.8....... ..17.0
        Falls........................651........0.2....... ...2.1
        Cutting / Pieercing..........458........0.2..........1.5
        Drowning.....................339........0.1....... ...1.1
        Fire.........................147........0.1....... ...0.5

        Suicide Statistics at Suicide.org! Suicide Statistics, Suicide Statistics, Suicide Statistics, Suicide Statistics, Suicide Statistics!
        Check out the numbers in this Irish suicide drowning report...

        In 2004 Irish Water Safety estimated that 40% of drowning entries were accidental, 54% suicidal and 6% undetermined.
        Over 400 persons commit suicide annually in Ireland out of which about 100 drown themselves.

        Suicide by Drowning in Ireland | International Life Saving Federation
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I think he was completely correct in not trying to defend himself, especially since the cops have been called. She claimed that she was the one who was assaulted. If there had been no camera, he would probably been arrested just because he was male.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      The drone pilot has made news again. This time, he could be in big trouble himself as the FEDS are investigating. He has fitted a gun to his drone. Perhaps he wanted to defend himself.


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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      I think he was completely correct in not trying to defend himself, especially since the cops have been called. She claimed that she was the one who was assaulted. If there had been no camera, he would probably been arrested just because he was male.
      It was pretty clear to me that she assaulted him and he didn't raise a hand in self defense. That she gets off scott free with mere probation for assault on a teen is ridiculous. They would have believed her lie that she was assaulted and arrested this kid if he didn't have video proof. What a beast.
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      • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
        The thing I don't understand is; how could she assault him? He has to be 15 or so (by appearance).

        Is that what 15 year old boys are like now? If so, I'm ashamed for my gender.

        I'm not saying he should have damaged her. But allowing her to assault him?

        Does this boy have a father? If so, what the heck is he teaching him?

        You're supposed to train your sons to be able to protect their family and country some day. I'm not saying that's the only job of a father, but when did it stop being one of them?

        My 12 year old daughter could whip his behind. Disgraceful.

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          Originally Posted by Enfusia View Post

          The thing I don't understand is; how could she assault him? He has to be 15 or so (by appearance).

          Is that what 15 year old boys are like now? If so, I'm ashamed for my gender.

          I'm not saying he should have damaged her. But allowing her to assault him?

          Does this boy have a father? If so, what the heck is he teaching him?

          You're supposed to train your sons to be able to protect their family and country some day. I'm not saying that's the only job of a father, but when did it stop being one of them?

          My 12 year old daughter could whip his behind. Disgraceful.

          Patrick
          The boy was 17 and what he did was the absolute smartest thing to do. He would have otherwise been the one to go to jail and I guarantee you, he wouldn't have just gotten a slap on the wrist like she did.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            t was pretty clear to me that she assaulted him and he didn't raise a hand in self defense.
            It was a year ago - and he got all sorts of sympathy....so look how far he's come now that he's 18....

            I still think he's a creep.
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              It was a year ago - and he got all sorts of sympathy....so look how far he's come now that he's 18....

              I still think he's a creep.
              I think she's a creep. A big fat bully. An adult who assaulted a teen. He should have been able to fight fire with fire and beat the daylights out of her, but he restrained himself. Very smart of him.
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              • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                I shoot drones on sight. My property and airspace are posted.

                Cheers. - Frank
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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                  I shoot drones on sight. My property and airspace are posted.

                  Cheers. - Frank
                  I don't care for drones either, but they are legal and a public beach is not your property and I sort of doubt that you can control the airspace over your property legally.

                  The woman is dreaming if she thinks anyone wanted photos of her in a bikini. lol. She's nothing but a bully and I would have liked to see her do some time for assaulting a teenager.

                  Try not to do anything rash if you see a drone, Frank. They won't let you take your dog or your car to jail.
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                  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    I don't care for drones either, but they are legal and a public beach is not your property and I sort of doubt that you can control the airspace over your property legally.
                    Legal does not concern me. If it's on my property, including the airspace over my property, I will blast it out of the sky.
                    The woman is dreaming if she thinks anyone wanted photos of her in a bikini. lol. She's nothing but a bully and I would have liked to see her do some time for assaulting a teenager.
                    I understand that there are many drone operators that would to snap pics of me in a speedo, but I charge for those.
                    Try not to do anything rash if you see a drone, Frank. They won't let you take your dog or your car to jail.
                    I never go to jail. Well, not lately, anyway. If I were to be put in jail every time I broke the law, I'd be in jail, now. I'm a very persuasive person and it's nice to at least be able to use the diagnosis of PTSD for something useful. It works like a charm. :-)

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                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                      I understand that there are many drone operators that would to snap pics of me in a speedo, but I charge for those

                      Cheers. - Frank
                      Come on Frank. We all want to see. Post it.
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                      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                        Come on Frank. We all want to see. Post it.
                        Pay up, sweet cheeks!

                        Cheers. - Frank

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                        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                          Wow. I thought that I has at least a few friends here that I could trust that if I posted a picture of what I actually looked like, not everyone would turn their back on me. Rarely am I ever so wrong in my estimations.

                          So, it appears that WC was just unattractive enough where folks could make fun of him, but I'm so hideous that I am completely shunned.

                          I never thought I would ever say anything like this, but I wish I were WC.

                          Not so cheerful, today. - Frank
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                          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                            Wow. I thought that I has at least a few friends here that I could trust that if I posted a picture of what I actually looked like, not everyone would turn their back on me. Rarely am I ever so wrong in my estimations.

                            So, it appears that WC was just unattractive enough where folks could make fun of him, but I'm so hideous that I am completely shunned.

                            I never thought I would ever say anything like this, but I wish I were WC.

                            Not so cheerful, today. - Frank
                            I just saw the pic. Didn't get a notification that you posted, so not everyone deliberately shunned you. All I can say is ... stunning. Just stunning. Thanks for the pic. lol ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    I think you look quite svelte, Big Frank...

    I believe there was some research about 5 years ago that showed the average WF newbie looked like this after 3 months of working at home...so quite svelte



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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I never thought I would ever say anything like this, but I wish I were WC.
      Oh - bite your fat little tongue....

      I couldn't respond as I was desperately trying to put my eyes back in my head....all because you appear younger than I thought you were...yeah, that's it....
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        OK. You got me. I thought I would get at least one of you to fall for that, lol

        How about this one, instead?



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    Why not just ban people from public places, it would solve all these problems
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If this is a beauty contest, there are definitely going to be some losers....

      These people have fat where I don't even have places....
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    Who is to say both of them were not in on it for YouTube publicity?
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

        Looks like somebody beat you to it, Frank.
        Very honestly, I would be perfectly willing to pay a fine of $1800 to blast a drone out of the sky on my property. From a therapeutic standpoint, it would be the best money I had ever spent. I'd be gleeful when writing the check.

        I'm curious to see how this ends. Could go either way.

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