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Why do most people fear death?

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I don't mean to get deep on you but why do most people fear death? I've had the privilege of growing up in the US and Asia and I've noticed a very distinct difference in attitudes towards death. Americans are very fearful of it. Asians, on the whole, tend to look at it as part of the human experience and merely a state of consciousness (albeit an extreme one). Maybe its because Western philosophy tends to be big on BINARY oppositions-black/white, good/evil. right/wrong, and, you guessed it, life/death. Does this fear help people? Does it lead to a higher sense of meaning?

Clue: this is not about religion and more about life philosophy and cultural assumptions. I just want to throw it out there just in case people misconstrue the focus of this discussion.
  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I don't fear death. It's either a continuation of life or the end of consciousness, and if the latter, we'll never know it or miss it. The thing that concerns me most about death is whether it will be peaceful, or at least quick, or long and painful.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      I don't fear death. It's either a continuation of life or the end of consciousness, and if the latter, we'll never know it or miss it. The thing that concerns me most about death is whether it will be peaceful, or at least quick, or long and painful.
      I don't fear death either. It happens to everyone eventually.

      I hear ya, I'm hoping for the peaceful go in your sleep death. Or if I'm not that lucky, maybe something that causes "instant" death so as I'm not aware of what is coming or feel any pain from it.

      Yeah, I guess I'm a wimp, lol!


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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        I'm not afraid of dying either. I suspect that it will even have a growing appeal as I get older.

        I don't know that most really fear death. I think they fear Dying.

        But one of my favorite lines in any movie, is from Star Trek 6. Scotty says ".....Then we're dead!"...and Spock says (In complete deadpan) "I've been dead before".

        And that's how I see it.

        My only fear is that my wife may die before me. ..or my son.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Self preservation is the stongest instinct in all of us and is a base instinct in virtually all animals and probably even plants.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Two things in life that are a dead cert. Death and change.

      No disrespect writeaway but the smart ones had that sussed years ago.

      Don't fear what you've no control over.

      Now if you want to discuss the manner of ones death or the pain some change causes, we have to go a little deeper. Much deeper.

      It'll happen though, that's guaranteed. No point fearing the inevitable.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Self preservation is the stongest instinct in all of us and is a base instinct in virtually all animals and probably even plants.
      Yup. But do you know what I think terrifies people even more? Public embarrassment..ridicule....banishment from a group. People have killed themselves over such pain. It's one advantage of being a Sociopath.

      Self preservation is the strongest (for the majority), but we really think about it so seldom.

      How often do most of us think about dying? Not often, I would think.

      I have a theory. I call it "Claude's Theory"..

      Self preservation is the strongest instinct, while we are still young enough to produce children. Because then, it serves a real purpose.

      At 59, I can feel that need to survive, slipping away. I'm guessing that when you near death, your body produces hormones to lessen the fear of death. That's just a guess.

      But when I think about it..planning my finances for example...it doesn't bother me much at all.

      Maybe it's why I write books. It's a form of immortality....I guess.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Yup. But do you know what I think terrifies people even more? Public embarrassment..ridicule....banishment from a group. People have killed themselves over such pain. It's one advantage of being a Sociopath.

        Self preservation is the strongest (for the majority), but we really think about it so seldom.

        How often do most of us think about dying? Not often, I would think.

        I have a theory. I call it "Claude's Theory"..

        Self preservation is the strongest instinct, while we are still young enough to produce children. Because then, it serves a real purpose.

        At 59, I can feel that need to survive, slipping away. I'm guessing that when you near death, your body produces hormones to lessen the fear of death. That's just a guess.

        But when I think about it..planning my finances for example...it doesn't bother me much at all.

        Maybe it's why I write books. It's a form of immortality....I guess.
        Yet the older people are, the less likely they are to commit suicide.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Yet the older people are, the less likely they are to commit suicide.

          Maybe it's because things bother them less....like dying.

          Plus, most emotional turmoils happen when you are younger. Divorce, cheating spouses, losing an important job, going bankrupt......typical reasons people off themselves...tend to be things that happen to younger people.

          That's a guess.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Maybe it's because things bother them less....like dying.

            Plus, most emotional turmoils happen when you are younger. Divorce, cheating spouses, losing an important job, going bankrupt......typical reasons people off themselves...tend to be things that happen to younger people.

            That's a guess.
            Maybe. However, poverty, sickness, confinement in homes, hospitals and wheel chairs, loss of mobility, death of friends and relatives and spouses, and lonliness and isolation occur more in old age.

            So, maybe it's because people respect life more as they get older.

            Maybe it's a combination of reasons, including some that haven't been mentioned.

            This is all speculation. Fact is, survival is still the number one instinct.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Maybe. However, poverty, sickness, confinement in homes, hospitals and wheel chairs, loss of mobility, death of friends and relatives and spouses, and lonliness and isolation occur more in old age.

              So, maybe it's because people respect life more as they get older.

              Maybe it's a combination of reasons, including some that haven't been mentioned.

              This is all speculation. Fact is, survival is still the number one instinct.
              Not for everyone. Have you ever thought of suicide? I have. Not in a "I'm desperate, I can't live with myself" kind of way..but in a "Not that interested anymore" kind of way. Being 80 years old, and depending on someone to take care of me...holds no appeal to me.

              Yeah, you bring up a good point about the poverty, sickness, confinement in homes, hospitals and wheel chairs, loss of mobility, death of friends and relatives and spouses....

              Then I have no real idea why suicides are lower in older age.
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              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Self preservation is the strongest instinct, while we are still young enough to produce children. Because then, it serves a real purpose.

                At 59, I can feel that need to survive, slipping away. I'm guessing that when you near death, your body produces hormones to lessen the fear of death. That's just a guess.

                But when I think about it..planning my finances for example...it doesn't bother me much at all.

                Maybe it's why I write books. It's a form of immortality....I guess.
                Yeees, and you forgot to mention the hidden part in the back, with your initials scribed in invisible ink!

                So if you do come, back and find it, through self hypnosis, etc, you can tell yourself, "See Reincarnation is real" or give instructions on how to access your bank account in Geneva, with a false name, with $10 in it, plus about 100 years of interest!!!!

                Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

                I think religion has a great deal to do with it, at least in Western culture. Judeo-Christian religions (Islam included) teach that you will be subject to the wrath of God after death if you don't conduct your life as a righteous, pious person. If you don't do as you're told, Dante's Inferno awaits.

                No wonder people in the West are scared of death...
                Wrath of God! Wrath of human stupidity is more likely!

                We are judged by ourselves!

                If God judged us, or did things the way we would, then Heaven would be trashed, and probably have a couple of wars for laughs.
                I don't think so!


                Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                It's a complicated subject, but it may have something to do with consciousness, and, more precisely, our raised sense of self or ego (in the psychological sense).

                As we come to be conscious of ourselves as a distinct entity, separate from others and the environment, we fear death as being the end of that independent self - even though the sense of self we have is an illusion, albeit a necessary one.

                It's probably exclusively human, but not universally so. There are still some cultures that view death as part of the cycle of life, and don't fear it as we do, although these cultures were certainly more widespread in pre-Christian times.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Not for everyone. Have you ever thought of suicide? I have. Not in a "I'm desperate, I can't live with myself" kind of way..but in a "Not that interested anymore" kind of way. Being 80 years old, and depending on someone to take care of me...holds no appeal to me.
                Just because one thinks of killing themselves doesn't mean living isn't sill the #1 instinct. It simply means:

                1. They've thought about it and didn't kill themselves.

                2. Their concious over-came their sub-conscious instinct to live, just as men over-come their instincts to mate by not raping every woman they see, or even "hitting on them". Neither means the instinct to live or have sex isn't still there.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                  Just because one thinks of killing themselves doesn't mean living isn't sill the #1 instinct. It simply means:

                  1. They've thought about it and didn't kill themselves.

                  2. Their concious over-came their sub-conscious instinct to live, just as men over-come their instincts to mate by not raping every woman they see, or even "hitting on them". Neither means the instinct to live or have sex isn't still there.
                  Well thought out. At least as well thought out as what I said.

                  I can only tell you what I feel. I don't feel I'm overcoming a desire to live.

                  For example, as we get older, our desire for sex slowly goes away. I don't feel like I've overcome my desire for sex...only that it isn't as strong as when I was younger.

                  My memories aren't as sharp as they were 10 years ago. I feel as though maybe 10% of what I was, simply isn't here anymore. I don't know if my "caring less and less about life" is typical. I haven't talked about it with anyone else (except just now).
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Yup. But do you know what I think terrifies people even more? Public embarrassment..ridicule....banishment from a group. People have killed themselves over such pain. It's one advantage of being a Sociopath.
        So you know it's worse than death and yet inspite of that, or probably because of that, you are on a mission to ridicule people? Um, that's interesting.
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by HN View Post

          So you know it's worse than death and yet inspite of that, or probably because of that, you are on a mission to ridicule people? Um, that's interesting.
          No-one down here in the OT forum cops more ridicule than Claude. However, in all cases Claude knows we're just poking fun at him, and he takes it in his stride, if not welcomes it. He even ridicules himself on many occasions.

          His point about people fearing banishment is true in a lot of cases, it doesn't seem to apply to you though.

          You come down here and bloviate about how clever you are, pick fights with the regulars, get banned and come straight back and do it all over again.

          Banishment doesn't seem to bother you, nor does it seem to teach you any lessons.

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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      It's a complicated subject, but it may have something to do with consciousness, and, more precisely, our raised sense of self or ego (in the psychological sense).

      As we come to be conscious of ourselves as a distinct entity, separate from others and the environment, we fear death as being the end of that independent self - even though the sense of self we have is an illusion, albeit a necessary one.

      It's probably exclusively human, but not universally so. There are still some cultures that view death as part of the cycle of life, and don't fear it as we do, although these cultures were certainly more widespread in pre-Christian times.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    I think religion has a great deal to do with it, at least in Western culture. Judeo-Christian religions (Islam included) teach that you will be subject to the wrath of God after death if you don't conduct your life as a righteous, pious person. If you don't do as you're told, Dante's Inferno awaits.

    No wonder people in the West are scared of death...
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    • Profile picture of the author begum1
      Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

      I think religion has a great deal to do with it, at least in Western culture. Judeo-Christian religions (Islam included) teach that you will be subject to the wrath of God after death if you don't conduct your life as a righteous, pious person. If you don't do as you're told, Dante's Inferno awaits.

      No wonder people in the West are scared of death...
      What I will say is that when you think of death often and fear it, it helps you to strive in finding out the purpose of life (like the real purpose of why we are here) so its really a gift from the creator. Because lets face it, death is certain for sure and no one can guarantee they will live till the next hour. Now imagine you die not even knowing or trying to finding why you were here, so your whole life was just point less and did not serve its purpose. Anything that doesn't serve its purpose for the reason it was made is basically worthless, whether its a phone, laptop, food. For example, would anyone use a phone that doesn't work properly (doesn't do what its supposed to do)? When some one's hungry and they buy food, then they figured this food is not even to fill them the sligtest bit (basically its not doing what its supposed to do and fill your hunger), would you eat it or throw it away and buy something else? and same with every other created thing.
      Same way we need to serve our purpose, otherwise, are we really worth a human being?
      To be able to find the truth, we really need to strive open heartedly that when we find it we will accept it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Why do most people fear death?
        Because they don't understand life.
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    I think writeaway might be confusing "fearing death" with "not yet being ready to die." Most people in Western culture don't feel ready to die, even if they're elderly and/or terminally ill, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's fear.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Why do most people fear death?
    I think most people fear for the welfare of their loved ones, or being forgotten. When people think of death, thoughts of how their loved ones with fare without them, comes to mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I think Claude is right. People are more afraid of dying than of being dead. Will it be painful, and for how long?

    I don't believe that death results in a loss of consciousness. If I turn out to be wrong - how would I ever know that? I have known people who live in fear of the inevitable, though. I've had people harp on me relentlessly that my "hobby" is too dangerous. They somehow feel that living in abject safety is better than living with joy and fascination that carries with it a little danger. I'm almost 60. How much life can I lose by following a course that ignites my experience of life. How worth it would those few extra years be if I felt like I was in a prison instead of using them to keep my world exciting and new?

    Each to their own, but as long as there's no way to change the eventual outcome, I don't see that worrying about it has much value to anyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Since there is no such thing as death in humans there is no need to entertain fearing it.

      The possibility of being in extreme pain before dis corp orating is not something I would look forward too however!
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    A lot of it is fear of the unknown. None of us know what death truly means, so we're afraid of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Virtualghost
    I think at in your younger years you fear it and then like my grandmother god fearing women who died at 97 was as she put it just tired. As she was not happy having to slow down in life and all her siblings and friends were gone.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    My grandmother (God bless her soul), never feared death. She religiously read the "obits" in the daily local newspaper to see if she was still alive!

    She had a great sense of humor!
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    No because in Asia there is reincarnation.
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    I think its the same reason people fear darkness - fear of the unkown.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by guitarizma View Post

      I think its the same reason people fear darkness - fear of the unkown.
      I think that may be it in many cases. But devout religious people, don't see it as unknown.... And they may still do nearly anything to survive a little longer.

      Atheists don't see death as the unknown, and they still don't want to die.

      People who believe in re-incarnation...still fear death.
      And blind people are always in darkness, but they aren't afraid (at least not after awhile)

      Unless, it's just impossible to be certain about what happens after you die. Meaning it's impossible to have a belief about it with no creeping doubt.

      For example, I'm certain that I know what happens after my life ends. But, am I really? Down to my very core? How easy would it be to convince me otherwise?

      I still think it's the fear of dying...the perceived loss (of course, we wouldn't feel the loss. But it's difficult to put ourselves in that position)

      Just throwing that out there.
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    Interesting Question but dear i am not fear about death because life is gift From GOD When he see we are working wrongly or our behavior offensive with his peoples then he contagieux our life..
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    Even wild animals are smart enough to self preserve. You ever seen a gazelle walk up to a lion on purpose, lol?
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Many times I have been ill, felt like crap and said to myself, death would be preferable to this! Only to find it's a 24 hour sickness bug or the flu and others have been through it too, oh, there's a lot of it about says the doc.

      But for a time, you think, never had these symptoms before, perhaps there is something seriously wrong with me, only to find out its just a comman bug that will pass. I'm sure you have all been through this!

      Of course, for many, there's eventually going to be one of these times for us where it's for real, but we have so many of these false alarm episodes over our lives.

      So what is your reaction to getting one of these bugs which initally you may think the worse about? Do you fight it, seek treatment, drugs, diagnosis, re-assurance etc. Bet most do!

      People just want the pain and suffering to end.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        I only thought I was going to die once. I was in the intensive care unit for a couple of days. My heat beat was erratic, and the blood pressure was spiking out of control.

        In the ER (before admittance) I thought I was dying. My legs and feet felt stone cold, and there was a strange odor in the air. All I could think was "That's interesting, so that's how it feels". I was thinking that I was going to see the process of dying up close, and I found it fascinating.

        Part of that detachment could have been because I was so very sick, I don't know. But I've been like that for as long as I can remember. Detached, I mean.

        It's probably the reason I was such a great salesperson. Rejection never bothered me. But then I never got excited when I made a sale, either. Weird.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I only thought I was going to die once. I was in the intensive care unit for a couple of days. My heat beat was erratic, and the blood pressure was spiking out of control.

          In the ER (before admittance) I thought I was dying. My legs and feet felt stone cold, and there was a strange odor in the air. All I could think was "That's interesting, so that's how it feels". I was thinking that I was going to see the process of dying up close, and I found it fascinating.

          Part of that detachment could have been because I was so very sick, I don't know. But I've been like that for as long as I can remember. Detached, I mean.

          It's probably the reason I was such a great salesperson. Rejection never bothered me. But then I never got excited when I made a sale, either. Weird.
          I bet you vowed never to sell Bex Bissell's ever again after that. Downright dangerous! :-)

          In Texas everyone seems to suffer from allergies except me.

          I did have a really painful jaw ache which was put down to an allergy and finally went to the doc and said, please make it stop! They diagnosed a bacterial infection and gave me a shot. The pain in my jaw went within the hour but my whole body became wracked with a more even pain as the drugs and the infection were fighting it out, that's what it felt like.Was so low and weak! Felt like jumping off a bridge or something to make it stop. If life was going to be like this indefinitely did not want to live it!

          But, in the back of my mind I knew it would subside within a few days and was not life threatning, so I waited it out and sure enough it subsided. But what if the doc said, sorry, your riddled with cancer, nothing we can do, here's some morphine, go home and die in a couple of days. What would you do? Go out on a cloudy drug blur or lucidly jump off a high place and make it quick?

          I must admit, probably the high cloudy blur, pain free would be more attractive.

          As for the selling, initially failure would mean lack of bringing home the bacon, learning sales patters and then making the first sales because of it would initially be exciting and satisfying I would of thought. but then as you become skilled at it, it becomes routine and is just like any other job I suppose. Just as long as the failures are not predominant and you do rake in the commissions.
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  • Profile picture of the author momtraders
    I've been sick for the last 14 months. It has gotten to the point were I can no longer eat foods, and I fall over,forget things, live in 24/7 pain. The doctors see atrophy of the brain. Just a few years ago I was a healthy beautiful woman with the world at my finger tips and now thoughts of death haunt me. I am afraid because I will leave behind a daughter that is about to be a teenager, she needs my guidance more then anything. I am afraid of the grief I will cause my family, and I hate that I will miss out on seeing my own grandkids, as well as my children succeed in life. The idea that my kids could need me at times and will cry for me and I can not be there for them is enough to break my heart for eternity. I went through life very much alone and my biggest failure in this life would be to leave my own children to the same fate.

    I fear the unknown, but sometimes I think of the peace that will come. No more fighting, no more wondering.

    I fear death because it will take me from my family, and my family is my life.
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      Originally Posted by momtraders View Post

      I've been sick for the last 14 months. It has gotten to the point were I can no longer eat foods, and I fall over,forget things, live in 24/7 pain. The doctors see atrophy of the brain. Just a few years ago I was a healthy beautiful woman with the world at my finger tips and now thoughts of death haunt me. I am afraid because I will leave behind a daughter that is about to be a teenager, she needs my guidance more then anything. I am afraid of the grief I will cause my family, and I hate that I will miss out on seeing my own grandkids, as well as my children succeed in life. The idea that my kids could need me at times and will cry for me and I can not be there for them is enough to break my heart for eternity. I went through life very much alone and my biggest failure in this life would be to leave my own children to the same fate.

      I fear the unknown, but sometimes I think of the peace that will come. No more fighting, no more wondering.

      I fear death because it will take me from my family, and my family is my life.
      Very sorry to hear that, sure you have trawled the net and books too for answers if their is not much the docs can do? Have you had second opinions from more proactive docs and institutions?

      If you cannot eat hard food, best to go to protein shakes, juices, lots of fresh fruit and veggies.A healthy balanced diet including omega-3's and antioxidants, keep mentally stimulated and active, keep your brain working. Keep the body strong.

      I'm not a doctor but my wife became a user and rep for Nikken, (look em up) a few years back. Their idea, using a combination of supplements and other stuff (which i admit some would call quackery) to keep the body strong so it would fight off just about anything. I witnessed first hand some remarkable turnarounds in some people we knew health wise.

      I would always be a of a logical and scientific stance in the past about illness and rush to the doc but this had had an impact on the way I think about these things.

      Anyway, am not a doc but just passing on some info based on personal and first hand experience you might look into!
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    Hi lanfear63,

    I have looked through the internet/ books, learned about illness and as I slipped further and further away from my health just in the last 2 months I had a break through. Every time I would eat I would become paralyzed and have what I now know is called ataxia of the brain. I then figured something was amiss with my food. I found I am extremely allergic to gluten. So much so that is has done extensive damage to my brain and my insides. It eroded away my esophagus, my stomach, and starting working on my intestines.
    I have been to 6 different hospitals including a very well known one. As well as visiting numerous times with many different doctors. NO ONE could give me any answers, I begged and pleaded, barely able to lift my arms, or keep my head up and doctors sent me away.
    After going off gluten I do not have 24/7 nausea, I can make a sentence, and I can freely move around.
    I shared my results with doctors and they finally could start testing me for Celiacs disease and atrophy of the brain from gluten.

    I am learning much about the poisonous nature of our everyday foods, and I have to stick to a very rigorous diet. Oh how I miss BBQ, sauces, regular soft drinks, bread! But, I am slowly but surely unraveling the mysteries of my health.

    Through all of this I have learned that many people just like me are gravely sick from a regular ingredient found in food. 35% to 40% of the population is very sick, and we are learning about this disease daily.

    My only hope is my choices from here on out. My brain will not regain it's memory, nor the functions destroyed, but my body slowly heals daily.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by momtraders View Post

      Hi lanfear63,

      I have looked through the internet/ books, learned about illness and as I slipped further and further away from my health just in the last 2 months I had a break through. Everytime I would eat I would become paralyzed and have what I now know is called ataxia of the brain. I then figured something was amiss with my food. I found I am extremely allergic to gluten. So much so that is has done extensive damage to my brain and my insides. It erroded away my espohogas, my stomach, and starting working on my intestines.
      I have been to 6 different hospitals including a very well known one. As well as visiting numerous times with many different doctors. NO ONE could give me any answers, I begged and pleaded, barely able to lift my arms, or keep my head up and doctors sent me away.
      After going off gluten I do not have 24/7 nausea, I can make a sentence, and I can freely move around.
      I shared my results with doctors and they finally!!! Low and behold they could start testing me Celiacs disease and atrophy of the brain from gluten.

      I am learning much about the poisonous nature of our everyday foods, and I have to stick to a very rigorous diet. Oh how I miss BBQ, sauces, regular soft drinks, bread! But, I am slowly but surely unraveling the mysteries of my health.

      Through all of this I have learned that many people just like me are gravely sick from a regular ingredient found in foods. 35% to o 40% of the population is very sick, and we are learning about this disease daily.

      My only hope is my choices from here on out. My brain will not regain it's memory, nor the functions destroyed, but my body slowly heals daily.
      Glad to hear that you found a root cause for much of it and I hope it's omission makes you to continue to improve. I feel for you about the foods being a poor indulgent eater myself but it's obvious they were not doing any good. Also most interesting that no doctor asked about your diet of even thought about investigating allergies to food. My mistrust of pharms and conventional medicine for some ailments continues to grow.

      It seems to me that aside from surgery, anti-biotics and penicillin there is not much to offer. Most drugs do not cure but mask the pain allowing the body to heal itself (if it's going to) while others do regulate conditions but with the the strong possibility of side effects and the aggravation of others. Fact, in 1893 the budding parm industry went to all the medical learning institutions and offered them lots of money to adopt their stance and use of drugs. so they did and all got rich!

      So, because of this, any alternative ways and long practiced ways of treating people have been pushed to the wayside as quackery which is not always the case.

      Anyway, the wife swears by a regular juicing diet regime as it has the effect of De-toxing the body. You feel great having done it for a week she says.

      Her doctor is a natrapath, conventional doctor who also deals heavily in supplements and alternative stuff and asks all those questions that conventional doctors dont!. Well worth a consultation. If you are healing your body ok then what you need is brain food and stimulation. The brain can bypass bad areas and make new connections. Worth a shot if your conventional route does not work.
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    An interesting study from the UK suggested that one possible contributor for the higher suicide rates amongst veterinarians when compared with the general population was a more relaxed attitude to death. Because our job involves euthanasia we don't see death as scary but instead as a blessing. Over 90% of veterinary health care workers favour human euthanasia, I guess for the same reason. Must admit, the idea of dying doesn't bother me too much except there are things I have to do yet and I'd miss my kiddies.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Glad to hear that you found a root cause for much of it and I hope it's omission makes you to continue to improve. I feel for you about the foods being a poor indulgent eater myself but it's obvious they were not doing any good. Also most interesting that no doctor asked about your diet of even thought about investigating allergies to food. My mistrust of pharms and conventional medicine for some ailments continues to grow.

      It seems to me that aside from surgery, anti-biotics and penicillin there is not much to offer. Most drugs do not cure but mask the pain allowing the body to heal itself (if it's going to) while others do regulate conditions but with the the strong possibility of side effects and the aggravation of others. Fact, in 1893 the budding parm industry went to all the medical learning institutions and offered them lots of money to adopt their stance and use of drugs. so they did and all got rich!

      So, because of this, any alternative ways and long practiced ways of treating people have been pushed to the wayside as quackery which is not always the case.

      Anyway, the wife swears by a regular juicing diet regime as it has the effect of De-toxing the body. You feel great having done it for a week she says.

      Her doctor is a natrapath, conventional doctor who also deals heavily in supplements and alternative stuff and asks all those questions that conventional doctors dont!. Well worth a consultation. If you are healing your body ok then what you need is brain food and stimulation. The brain can bypass bad areas and make new connections. Worth a shot if your conventional route does not work.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Fluffy bunny hunter! LOL!

        I hope you don't hunt Martain ones????


        Thats been up for weeks!
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Thats been up for weeks!
          Yes, l assumed that text was set in stone, but apparently not!

          Just noticed some funny ones, will have to change my one!

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    The fear of the great unknown, The big sleep, the dirt nap, buying the farm, kicking the bucket, pushin up daisy's, the list goes on. We fear it so much we've come up with so many terms to disguise death in a childlike fashion, more terms than masturbation. It's natural to fear death. If we didn't fear it, we wouldn't have gotten this far as a species. Not to mention the fear ingrained in us from our parents, religion, the media, all this too is learned as a small child. Hard to un learn that stuff, I think the biggest paradox is when it comes to religion. In all religions, were taught how great it will be in heaven or each religions version of it but it seems to me the more religious, the bigger the fear.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by WFDUDE View Post

      The fear of the great unknown, The big sleep, the dirt nap, buying the farm, kicking the bucket, pushin up daisy's, the list goes on. We fear it so much we've come up with so many terms to disguise death in a childlike fashion, more terms than masturbation. It's natural to fear death. If we didn't fear it, we wouldn't have gotten this far as a species. Not to mention the fear ingrained in us from our parents, religion, the media, all this too is learned as a small child. Hard to un learn that stuff, I think the biggest paradox is when it comes to religion. In all religions, were taught how great it will be in heaven or each religions version of it but it seems to me the more religious, the bigger the fear.
      When I was younger, we just said "He died"...and then we would say "He passed away"..and then "He passed on"...and now "He passed".

      I think it's a way of feeling like nothing ended. Last night, I heard "It's like walking through a door".

      In the movie Meet Joe Black, Anthony Hopkins asks (because he is going to his death) "Should I be afraid?"
      And Brad Pitt (as Death) says "Not a man like you".

      Try not to cry when you hear it.

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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by WFDUDE View Post

        The fear of the great unknown, The big sleep, the dirt nap, buying the farm, kicking the bucket, pushin up daisy's, the list goes on. We fear it so much we've come up with so many terms to disguise death in a childlike fashion, more terms than masturbation. It's natural to fear death. If we didn't fear it, we wouldn't have gotten this far as a species. Not to mention the fear ingrained in us from our parents, religion, the media, all this too is learned as a small child. Hard to un learn that stuff, I think the biggest paradox is when it comes to religion. In all religions, were taught how great it will be in heaven or each religions version of it but it seems to me the more religious, the bigger the fear.
        You fear death until you die, then realise that you exist, then you start to fear, the mess you left behind.

        Although when that passes, you only fear your loved ones, left behind!

        After that you probably start to fear not being able to handle no nightime anymore, or having to eat and sleep anymore!


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