Isn't it time for military action against Russia?

by wa35
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Back in 1991 when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait it didn't very take long for the US to respond with military action. Now we have Putin attacking the Ukraine.

Here in the UK we have a very weak Prime Minister talking about sanctions but they will have little if any effect and President Obama doesn't seem to be doing much. Somehow I can't imagine sanctions stopping Putin's goals of taking back the Ukraine and possibly other countries that were once part of the Soviet Union.

When I say military action I'm not talking about sending in ground troops. I mean targeted air strikes. If this isn't done soon he will think he can continue to get away with what he wants with no serious consequences.
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Saddam was DIFFERENT! And HOW can we attack him? Air strikes are NOT a good idea for MANY reasons.

    That said, they ARE starting to get hurt by economic sanctions.

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  • Profile picture of the author WFDUDE
    Guys, we must first realize what is really going on here before we make judgments on weather to place our mighty thumb on the neck of Russia's Government. This has nothing to do with Ukraine. The fact that Putin is pulling away from our Fiat currency "the petro dollar" has everything to do with what's really going on.
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    • Profile picture of the author candoit2
      Originally Posted by WFDUDE View Post

      Guys, we must first realize what is really going on here before we make judgments on weather to place our mighty thumb on the neck of Russia's Government. This has nothing to do with Ukraine. The fact that Putin is pulling away from our Fiat currency "the petro dollar" has everything to do with what's really going on.
      However...this is how the world works throughout history.. It's not a USA thing...it's what nations do to increase their power and prosperity and maintain the status quo against other nations constantly trying to challenge. This is one way in modern times it is done.

      Complaining about how a nation becomes prosperous, while enjoying the comforts and benefits of that prosperity is a hollow morality.
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    Are you serious? Russia has enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Are you serious? Russia has enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over.
      Exactly, and with Putin in control it wouldn't surprise me if he'd use some of them towards the U.S. and her allies if he was facing imminent defeat.

      Even in a traditional war, Russia would be formidable. They're the third most powerful military overall in the world behind the U.S. and China. There'd be an incredible loss of life on both sides. I think the U.S. would ultimately win, because they'd have allies fighting with them, while Russia has isolated itself from most of the world with recent events.

      The U.S. and their allies could send in weapons, though. They have evidence that Russia is bringing weapons across the border AND firing into Ukraine from their side of the border. I think that the show of force from U.S. and allied weapons being present might be enough to get Russia to back off. Still, I don't see them ever giving up Crimea.

      We want to avoid direct conflict with Russia at all costs.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

        Exactly, and with Putin in control it wouldn't surprise me if he'd use some of them towards the U.S. and her allies if he was facing imminent defeat.

        Even in a traditional war, Russia would be formidable. They're the third most powerful military overall in the world behind the U.S. and China. There'd be an incredible loss of life on both sides. I think the U.S. would ultimately win, because they'd have allies fighting with them, while Russia has isolated itself from most of the world with recent events.

        The U.S. and their allies could send in weapons, though. They have evidence that Russia is bringing weapons across the border AND firing into Ukraine from their side of the border. I think that the show of force from U.S. and allied weapons being present might be enough to get Russia to back off. Still, I don't see them ever giving up Crimea.

        We want to avoid direct conflict with Russia at all costs.
        Somehow, I son't see China sitting this one out. The world doesn't want to engage a war with the combined might of Russia and China.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Sadam was a gnat and had no nuclear weapons. The consequences for attacking that country was very small. Russia has military might that almost rivals ours if you take away the nukes. With their nuclear arsenal it's a military stalemate.

    Russia knows that if they attacked us, we would strike back. We know this too, which is why it's not a real option.

    I'm looking at the bigger picture here, because I'm more concerned about the millions of lives that might be lost by taking miliatry action and quite possibly, the end of the world as we know it.

    Military action against Russia is not a viable short-term or long-term solution.

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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by wa35 View Post

    When I say military action I'm not talking about sending in ground troops. I mean targeted air strikes. If this isn't done soon he will think he can continue to get away with what he wants with no serious consequences.
    And how do you think the US would respond, if Russia just sent in a few air strikes to targeted US locations? It would be World War Three.

    It amazes me that people think "let's just go to their country, drop a few bombs, and they'll just be OK with it. What could go wrong?"
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by wa35 View Post

    Isn't it time for military action against Russia?
    No.

    Originally Posted by wa35 View Post

    Now we have Putin attacking the Ukraine.
    Not nearly as openly or unambiguously as Saddam was attacking/invading Kuwait. That matters.

    Besides which, Saddam didn't have nuclear weapons. (And it turned out later that he didn't even have WMD at all.)

    Originally Posted by wa35 View Post

    Here in the UK we have a very weak Prime Minister talking about sanctions but they will have little if any effect
    It's too early to tell that.

    Much will perhaps depend on gradually gaining further international support for them.

    Originally Posted by wa35 View Post

    Somehow I can't imagine sanctions stopping Putin's goals of taking back the Ukraine and possibly other countries that were once part of the Soviet Union.
    You state that as "Putin's goals" almost as if it were factual. It isn't. It's just one view. And apparently not the view of some very well informed people (I'm thinking of some of the recently retired ambassadors to those parts of the world, now able to speak fairly freely, who know far more about it than either you or I and don't seem to agree with that perspective at all.) You may be right - I'm not suggesting that I know any more about it than you do; but you're effectively stating it as "factual" and it just isn't.

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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    U.S already have too many problems to comprehend with otherwise the walls of Russia should be down by now.

    And to make matters worst, China isn't in support of the U.S.

    I'm sure if it were the days of the Republicans, all hell would be let loose.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      U.S already have too many problems to comprehend with otherwise the walls of Russia should be down by now.

      And to make matters worst, China isn't in support of the U.S.

      I'm sure if it were the days of the Republicans, all hell would be let loose.

      Not military action directly against the Russians.
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      • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Not military action directly against the Russians.
        Yes, everyone is being cautious of 3rd WW.

        If the entire Ukraine have to join Russia not just Crimea or fight there way through then better for entire world.

        Though sanctions can not be ruled out but that's as far as U.S and Europe can go.
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